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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Ebbie Date: 25 Mar 10 - 02:53 PM I sympathize, Mick. That Amos is a slick man with a phrase. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: gnu Date: 25 Mar 10 - 02:50 PM ich believes in The Farce. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Big Mick Date: 25 Mar 10 - 02:20 PM Shit....... and all this time I thought it was my Jedi mind tricks that caused folks to listen...... Thanksalot, Amos, you prick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: gnu Date: 25 Mar 10 - 02:15 PM Yer kinda like an ich that can't be reached to scratch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Amos Date: 25 Mar 10 - 02:11 PM Icky, Your premise that ordinary political rhetoric is hypnotic is itself disingenuous. Ever since the Greeks people have used rhetoric to stir up sentiments and thoughts in other people, and it is no big news that this can include the persuasion of ideas which do not stand up to closer examination when sorted out and examined more closely. That is not hypnotism in any formal sense--it's just ordinary human rhetoric, human gullibility, and human stupidity. I think asserting it is some special hypnotic technique used by Obama is itself an inaccurate idea being pushed with an alarm flag tied to it so one might accept it under the temporary influence of fear. Obama is a good public speaker, but he is not using Jedi mind tricks on the populace. Maybe you are so un-used to being spoken to by an intelligent and respectful politician that you think it must be some kind of trick? Seems to me this is pseudo-science gobbledygook being used as a thin cover for unfounded alarmism. Well, gotta run, I'm getting an alert notice to report in to the Galactic Patrol to have my conditioning refreshed. Nice talking to ya! A BTW, here's an inside tip: the aluminum foil MUST be shiny side out or it won't work, and the standard transmission time is always anchored to Greenwich as zero-hour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: ichMael Date: 25 Mar 10 - 01:53 PM Just noticed the original post was butchered. This is what happens when the conscisous mind becomes aware of the trick that was played on its unconscious. Destruction of the information is the easiest way to deal with the uncomfortable realization. I'll piecemeal the original post back into place: Ericksonian trance induction (named after Milton Erickson) has three dimensions which we will return to often and compare to Obama's language patterns. They are: 1. Pacing and distraction of the dominant (language) hemisphere; 2. Utilization of the dominant hemisphere, language processing which occurs below the level of awareness; 3. Accessing of the non-dominant hemisphere; Dr. Erickson discovered while working as a therapist, that he could hide therapeutic hypnosis within the normal content of an inconspicuous conversation with the patient, and avoid much of the patient's conscious resistance that normally accompanied hypnotherapy. Dr. Erickson realized the subconscious mind was always listening, and understood better than anyone before how to access it, and implant suggestions into it. What Dr. Erickson did was figure out how to put people into trance and hypnotize them and implant suggestions with seemingly normal conversation. The critical factor is the cognitive function best analogized to a security guard (critical factor) who searches every person (information) entering into a nightclub looking for weapons (and stops all information that is questionable). The critical factor stops all information and allows your thinking and rationality to determine whether it is acceptable to the subconscious mind or not. Hypnosis uses language patterns, visual tricks, body language, voice, tone, and other aspects of communication to get "suggestions" past the critical factor part of the brain and directly into the listener's subconscious. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: ichMael Date: 25 Mar 10 - 01:23 PM I know this is a painful process, people. I went through it way back when G.W. Bush was my governor. Imagine the horror I felt when I saw him being foisted on the U.S. as president. Some of us tried to warn, but the media got the "liberals" to stand down and allow Bush to become president. I could go into the techniques Karl Rove used, but this discussion is about Obama. And actually, you have a good example of Obamatization right here. Early on in this thread the "liberals" and "Democrats" were talking about how much they wanted to extend "universal healthcare" to everyone. Very compassionate-sounding. But once the thing was passed, those same compassionate people began frothing about how, if you don't accept the healthcare the feds want to FORCE us to buy, then you should die. Obamatization was used on the mob to get it to support the healthcare package, and now the mob is being turned on opponents of the package. It's fitting that Mussolini and Hitler were cited as practioners of oratorical hypnosis in one of the posts above--the same type of mob control devices are being employed on Americans right now. Okay, people. Time for your reward for being so attentive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 25 Mar 10 - 01:21 PM It isn't any particular speech patterns but he uses logical fallacies and his supporters fall for them every time. For example the uses the false dilemma or the false dichotomy as the reason to support the health care bill as if the only way to reform health care is to support the bill. If you do not support the bill you are against health care reform. There are very few Americans who do not want health care reform to bring the cost down so it is more affordable and more people can be covered. They are in favor of certain provisions that are in the bill, against others and want certain other provisions added. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 25 Mar 10 - 01:07 PM ichMael, there's no secret about his speechmaking: It's called "rhetoric". Every would-be leader and politician does the same kinds of things. Obama is just somewhat better at it than normal, that's all. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Amos Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:55 PM Oh, Eb, I got carried away with my image of Pee Parties. So sorry! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:45 PM Well, that can only help, eh? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Ebbie Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:45 PM "Well. LH you are behind the times. angry women all over the country are banding together in grass-roots outraged clumps calling themselves "Pee Parties", and are planning to march--dribbling as they go --on Washington to demand the right to use urinals and insist the healthcare plan be provided with an amendment making the provision of plastic adapters mandatory for all women of standing." Well. Really, now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Amos Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:40 PM Well. LH you are behind the times. angry women all over the country are banding together in grass-roots outraged clumps calling themselves "Pee Parties", and are planning to march--dribbling as they go--on Washington to demand the right to use urinals and insist the healthcare plan be provided with an amendment making the provision of plastic adapters mandatory for all women of standing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:34 PM LOL! Only fools and madmen spend much time in these hallowed halls of bloviation, Mick. I'm glad to hear that you still have enough of a real life that it doesn't allow you to spend a lot of time here. *** The malfunctioning urinal thing IS a conspiracy! No doubt about it. The intention is to cause people stress by frustrating them. The increased stress causes them to get all "pissed off", rush around and buy things, and that stimulates the economy. People who are pissed off are more likely to support war! It's quite clear that a consortium of major corporations in collusion with the CIA and Blackwater have conspired with urinal manufacturers to bring about this horrifying situation, and it must be stopped! Chongo Chimp has been a courageous crusader on this burning issue for some time. He wants people to all gather outside the washrooms in shopping malls and chant "I'M PISSED OFF AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!" If enough people do this we can stop the conspiracy in its tracks and restore good quality urinals to the nation. Chongo has also proposed an amendment to the Bill of Rights that will guarantee the availability of properly functioning urinals in every community and every public area. It's called the "Pisser Amendment". Women should not be afraid to show solidarity and join men in protesting the situation, because even though women don't use urinals themselves, they still have to deal with frustrated men who do....therefore it's their problem too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Big Mick Date: 25 Mar 10 - 10:30 AM It turns out that all that has descended upon me, and has kept me from spending much time on the internet, has had a hidden benefit. It has kept me from reading shit like this. Have you ever noticed that speakers that used these techniques in the past were never called on it? Does anyone else see that since the first African descended person was elected we are now seeing that when he uses the same tactics his predecessors used, it is somehow a threat to life on earth? ichy, using a new id doesn't hide who you are. And you are still a lunatic. Mick, going back into his cave. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Amos Date: 25 Mar 10 - 10:23 AM Your diagnosis, as usual, is scintillating and precise, Spaw. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Amos Date: 25 Mar 10 - 10:16 AM Well, think about--you need to pee, the urinal is broken....coincidence???? I don't THINK so.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: catspaw49 Date: 25 Mar 10 - 08:01 AM LMAO......We really are getting some fruitcakes around here anymore, I think IckyMicky showed up to help Carol and Hawk on a 911 thread to prove their theories regarding a conspiracy/coverup/whatever. IckyMicky has gone on to prove himself a real shit-for-brains with a huge collection of tin hats in his closet. Ick can find a sinister conspiracy in a malfunctioning urinal. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:15 AM What Little Hawk said... History is repleat with leaders who could give a good speech... Some of them turned out to be great leaders, some good and some down-right lousy... The rightie-bloggers must be very bored these days... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Mar 10 - 02:36 AM What Milton Erickson did, by the way, was to create a formalized description of a whole bunch of natural techniques of influencing and persuading people that orators, leaders, and entertainers in every known civilization have used for thousands of years. It's not the exclusive property of the community of therapists, it's something that was being used long before modern psychotherapy even existed. These therapists have just rediscovered the water pump, the egg, breathing techniques, and how to start fires, and they are under the impression that they have discovered something brand new that belongs to them alone! What hubris on their part. ;-D Hell, people were doing all that stuff 5,000 years ago. It didn't get invented by Milton Erickson. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Mar 10 - 02:28 AM Actually, any truly effective orator has a strong hypnotic effect on the great majority of his listeners. That's perfectly normal, but really good orators are quite rare. Some of them possess a natural gift to "entrance" their listeners...while others learn such techniques through trial and error or possibly from an instructor. So? The vital thing is....is the orator having a hypnotic effect on his audience in a way that leads to something positive or something negative? In other words what is his longterm gameplan and what are his real intentions? A good musical performer also has a hypnotic effect on his audience. That again is perfectly normal, and it's desirable too. It's one of the marks of a truly great speaker, storyteller, or entertainer of any kind. That doesn't mean that it is, by definition, evil...or being done for any evil purpose. Agreed, Ichmael? I'm not trying to get you to agree with Obama's purposes necessarily (as you clearly don't)...but what I am trying to get you to agree with is that the hypnotic effect of any good speech or public performance is not, in itself, any proof of evil intention. ALL politicians try very hard to hypnotize their audiences, for gosh sakes! Some are much better at it than others. Sarah Palin and McCain were both pretty good at hypnotizing their more fervent followers. In fact, Sarah Palin is VERY good at it. She had the look, the gestures, the body language, the catchphrases...all down pat...but they would only work on the right subjects. The same goes for Obama. Ronald Reagan was fantastic at it. Nixon wasn't too good at it, because he was too shifty-eyed and nervous of possible criticism. Hubert Humphery was useless at it...the man's hypnotic abilities were absolutely nil. ;-) John Kennedy and Bill Clinton were both very good at it. George Bush Sr. was not. Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, and Winston Churchill were all superb hypnotic orators...for the right audience...no good at all for the opposing audience, but that's normal. The ability to mesmerize an audience is something every politician aims for! It's an essential part of the craft of getting elected, for heaven's sake. Supporters of Obama should be able to see this too. Of COURSE Obama uses certain gestures, tones of voice, repetitious phrases, and other signals to mesmerize an audience and get them on his side. They ALL try to do that. It's part of the job of getting elected and staying popular. Obama's just a lot better at it than most. If he turns out to be as good at it as Reagan or Clinton were, he'll be in for a whole 8 years. As for Mr G.W. Bush...I'd say he was moderately good at it, in a pretty primitive way...a way that would appeal to a certain constituency...but there was so much stupidity evident in both his performance and his policy decisions that he aroused more opposition than support as time went by. John Kerry on the other hand was not very good at it, in my opinion. He wasn't really bad at it either...just sort of mediocre. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Ebbie Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:03 AM hahahhahah |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: ichMael Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:53 PM I feel your pain, katlaughing. You are undergoing the breaking of your conditioning. You will strike out at first, but you will gradually come around to acceptance. You have been had, by the two-party system. No one holds it against you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: katlaughing Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:41 PM OP, what interest brought you to this website? Do you play any instruments, sing songs, study the origins of songs, etc.? Or, are you just trolling? If the latter, it would be best if you went away to somewhere else, perhaps with people of like mind. As I think that is likely the case, I will not be responding to any of your postings from here on it. I would advise others to do the same...ignore the troll. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: ichMael Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:37 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformational_grammar NLP is real. It has its roots in work done by Noam Chomsky. Of course NLP is abused. What isn't? Look at how it was abused by Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Alice Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:34 PM O RLY? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: ichMael Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:31 PM Because covert hypnosis is hidden in ordinary speech, and the subject is not aware that it is being used, it is even more powerful than ordinary hypnosis. Obamatization |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Alice Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:27 PM NLP con game |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Alice Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:22 PM If you believe in NLP (neuro-linguistic programming) then Tony Robbins has a lot of success programs he can sell to you. (Some quick googling on "NLP debunked" will show you what crap it is). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Ebbie Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:17 PM Oh for gawd's sake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: ichMael Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:15 PM I love the squawling sound of programming being broken. You've been Obamatized. But then G.W. Bush managed to hypnotize, somehow. And if HE could do it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: katlaughing Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:12 PM I believe you, Alice...did you use your thumb and forefinger when typing that? All I know is you give me great hope and I know it is BECAUSE we wanted change and you brought it to us. When do we get fitted for those tinfoil hats? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: ichMael Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:10 PM Obama is actually implanting feelings and emotions into your subconscious. The passion people feel for Obama is real because it comes from deep inside each of them. Thus, logical arguments against Obama become irrelevant. Look up neuro-linguistic programming. They teach it to salespeople now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Alice Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:03 PM What a load of bull crap. The tin foil hat crowd seems to be growing. |
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Subject: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: ichMael Date: 24 Mar 10 - 10:39 PM I just read the 67-page document at the link below and made notes of the high points. I encourage everyone to read it. Fascinating. It was written before the presidential election so some of it seems dated now, but no less important: AN EXAMINATION OF OBAMA'S USE OF HIDDEN HYPNOSIS TECHNIQUES IN HIS SPEECHE  S Obama's speech often diverges from normal and logical speech patterns, and clearly uses the non-logical, clearly artificial and intentional patterns of hypnotic trance induction, and hypnotic critical factor bypass as taught in the field of covert and conversational hypnosis. This document will explain what Obama is doing and how it works by explaining hidden hypnotic language patterns and other hypnosis techniques. Essentially, hypnosis is an altered and common state of mind involving intense focus, sidelining or disassociation of the rational critical thinking, and the state of hyper-suggestibility brought about while the subconscious mind is the dominant player. It happens while reading, listening to music, and even while hearing a great speaker. PACING AND LEADING Pacing and leading is a fundamental tool in conversational or covert hypnosis. "Pacing" can be almost any technique by which a hypnotist gets your critical factor to lower its critical analysis and scrutiny of the information you are receiving. The "lead" is the new information, suggestion, or command the hypnotist wants to implant. When done effectively, the hypnotist can "lead" – implant suggestions and commands that pass through into your subconscious that will be taken as unquestionably true. Pacing works by disguising information as part of the subject's ongoing verifiable experience to trick the critical factor into letting that information pass through to the subconscious. Unknowingly to the conscious mind, when this happens, the lead, or the new information from the hypnotist is accepted as absolutely true, and becomes part of the subject's deepest beliefs. Three of Obama's favorite hypnotic paces are "that's why I stand here tonight", "now is the time", and "this moment." These are things the hypnotist says that are verifiably true, and used to lower our critical factor defenses to allow implantation of subconscious messages. These three pacing statements were used by Obama a total of fourteen (14) times throughout his 2008 Convention speech in Denver. After pacing the audience, thus lowering cognitive critical factor defenses, Obama then implanted the lead (hypnotic command), "and that is why I will be your next President." The reason Obama sounds so hyper-confident with certain language patterns is because he has to in order to input a command effectively so your subconscious takes it as absolute truth. Obama's sentence structure is often exactly what is taught by Erickson in ways that cannot be coincidence. If he went into specifics, he would not be pacing, he would be encouraging the use of the conscious mind, something he is attempting to avoid. TRANS-DERIVATION A statement that we hear consciously contains only one surface structure (unless we do a double-take and realize a secondary meaning). However, one such statement can contain multiple deep structure meanings to our subconscious. The process by which the mind searches between alternate meanings is called trans-derivation. The searching through these various meanings is part of what distracts the rational part of the mind as part of hypnotic induction, even if we are not consciously aware of our search between different meanings. When Obama says "change" is can mean a lot of different things to everyone. He is not specific in what he means because then he would lose his pacing of the audience. Obama creates a trans-derivational search just by saying the vague word change, allowing that message of change to slip into the subconscious, as a command, that he has associated with himself in a number of subconscious and conscious ways. HAND GESTURES
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