BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 09:03 AM

Richard Hofstadter's essay "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" would be worth reading- show us how far we've come since 1964


HERE

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 07:55 PM

Well, Don... One thing that all the *fringers* have in common is they never met a conspiriacy theory that didn't like...

Timothy McVeigh ate 'um up...

He was so sure that the government was going to do this-or-that to him that he said "the only way they are going to get it is body count"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 04:36 PM

I do happen to know something about hypnosis.

Barack Obama is quite a good public speaker, no doubt of that. But the idea that he's some kind of Svengali or latter-day Cagliostro and can hypnotize the entire country through their television sets is the product of combined ignorance and paranoia.

I think icky-Michael's main problem with Barack Obama is that, to him, Obama not only belongs to the wrong party, he's also the wrong color. . . .

Simple as that.

Along with the fact that icky-Michael is addicted to conspiracy theories.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 10:42 AM

""And an increasing number -- almost 1 of every 3 people -- say they believe government is a major threat to their personal freedoms and want federal power reined in.""

They should have been worried eight years ago when the Pres was giving more powers to Homeland Security, and planning two wars, and removing their freedoms in bunches.

Too late now!!    HE'S GONE!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 08:02 AM

Well, I'd say that the Repubs are doing a dandy job in gumming up the government and pissin' people off... Gret for politics... Lousy for the country...

If the poll were worded in a manner of what government service people would most want abolished the poll numbers would be quite different...

"Hi, Mr. Smith... I'm with the Pine Grove Research Group and we'd like to know if you'd like for the governemnt to cut your Social Security???"

That's how it works...

My Stats prof in college spent an entire hour on how polls can be manipulated... Musta been a very interesting hour, I might add, 'cause it has stuck with me along time...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 01:09 AM

Trust In Government Hits Near-Historic Low

NPR 4/18/10

Americans' trust in government and its institutions has plummeted to a near-historic low, according to a sobering new survey by the Pew Research Center.

Only 22 percent of Americans surveyed by Pew say they can trust government in Washington "almost always or most of the time" -- among the lowest measures in the half-century since pollsters have been asking the question.

And an increasing number -- almost 1 of every 3 people -- say they believe government is a major threat to their personal freedoms and want federal power reined in.

Pew asked people to say whether they were content, frustrated or angry with the federal government -- and 3 of every 4 people said they were either frustrated or angry.

The public's unalloyed hostility flows from what Pew Center Director Andrew Kohut characterizes as a perfect storm of conditions: a bad economy, backlash against Washington partisanship and "epic discontent" with elected officials that found fuel in this year's bitter health care debate.

"Health care reform contributed in the second half of last year to this growing concern about the power of government," Kohut tells NPR.

"The public," he says, "wants a less activist government."......

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 11:31 PM

Oh Don I got it! He's not the only one safe!

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com

Appropriate, somehow? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 11:29 PM

"If Barack Obama diabolically managed to hypnotize the entire country, I'd be curious to know by what means ichMael managed to avoid being "entranced" and is in the enviable position of being the sole possessor of the Truth and is thus able to warn we poor, thick-headed and gullible "dupees.""

Well there's those OUTSIDE the country, Don... :-) Oh we got zapped too eh? even if we never heard his speeches? :-)

And anyway - the answer is simple - HE's got a web page... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:32 PM

Hey, I only quoted from an article someone else wrote. Someone else pointed out all that stuff, rather long-windedly, and I tried to boil it down.

But I don't listen to Obama, so I doubt he's hypnotized me. I heard the cadences a couple of times early on in his campaign and knew he was to be avoided (all snake-oil hucksters sound the same). I went 8 years without listening to Bush (just read the transcripts when they were important enough), and I'll do the same with Obama.

I expect right now Soetoro/Obama's talking about how he's going to save us from Goldman Sachs (the people who bankroll him), so who needs that crapola? But he'll cadence people into a half-sleep, do some fancy finger waves, and when you wake up--you'll believe the banking crisis is over.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:23 PM

It's the tin foil hat, silly. He wears his shiny side out.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 09:58 PM

On the subject of the thread. . . .

It's characteristic of those who tend to wholeheartedly (and no-brainedly) embrace conspiracy theories that they believe that everyone in the world has been duped. Except them!

If Barack Obama diabolically managed to hypnotize the entire country, I'd be curious to know by what means ichMael managed to avoid being "entranced" and is in the enviable position of being the sole possessor of the Truth and is thus able to warn we poor, thick-headed and gullible "dupees."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 08:55 PM

Thank you, Eb...

Sawz has some kinda infactuation/obsession thing going... He had it as Old Guy and then he changed to Dickey and he had it again and now he's bogged down with it yet again... I feel sorry for him...

BTW, I have spoken to management about him and I have also receifved amny PM's from Catters about him and I thank them all for their advice and concerns...

The way I look at it is that it really isn't my problem...

Maybe if we just ignore him he'll calm down yet again and maybe not have to reinvent himself as __________ as his 4th "handle" (maybe more) and try again??? I donno???

But thanks fir yer concern, Eb... I'm trying to ignore him the best I can...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 03:04 AM

Sawzaw, question: Why are you harrassing Bobert? Keep it up and I, for one, will make an official complaint to management.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 02:11 AM

I asked you for something to back up your 1 in 5 claim which you could not do and now you are claiming I have to produce a budget to avoid proving anything.

Then I ask you a different question and you use the same excuse.

Rather infantile as well as rude and irresponsible.

Bobert wants to give is these "facts" but gets desperate when called upon to provide anything to back them up.

New answer avoidance tactic: You must start another thread.

Why didn't you answer it in the thread where you made the claim?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 08:29 AM

I asked you first, Sawz... Give me yer budget and then we can get around to yer questions of me... That only seems fair... Right???

But start another thread for yer answer 'cause this thread ain't about me and it's rude to other folks here for you to continue these little obsessive tangents in these threads...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 12:49 AM

"Would you want someone to treat you differently than they would treat anyone else? "

Well if THEY treat anyone else like arseholes, I would want to be treated differently, I suppose....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 12:44 AM

Guess I should give up on gettin' an answer from Perfesser Emeritus Bobert of Re***ck U.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:57 AM

Bobert: Would you want someone to treat you differently than they would treat anyone else?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:36 PM

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 11:11 AM

"Well, I kinda agree with Sawz on this one"

Bingo.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 10:05 PM

Yeah, F-troupe... The "war pigs" (Black Sabboth) win every time... Good point...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 09:53 PM

"And just for the record, when was the last war that the US got into that it won???"

Easy - The War Profiteers have won EVERY war! And they're making a killing (sorry!) from the current ones...

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 08:45 PM

Right, mouse... And just for the record, when was the last war that the US got into that it won??? Hell, it's been pushing 70 years, by golly... That oughta tell folks that wars just ain't what they used tgo be so quit startin' them... Tell the military/industrial complex to go scrww themselves... We're done... We can't afford you guys... Not financiallly... Not in terms of human life... And not interms of moving the planet into this new century... Hopefully, Bush will one day be thought of as the last war president...

b~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: mousethief
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 03:04 PM

Of course it doesn't help when we start unnecessary and unwinnable "wars" against abstract nouns -- wars that kill thousands of people and accomplish squat.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 08:28 PM

Well, I kinda agree with Sawz on this one... The problem here is that the playing field isn't level and we have the US, the only country to ever launch a nuclear attack on another, being this "world super power" as a consequence... So when Bush gets up and does his "Axis of Evil" thing then any leader of the countries names scurry around trying to find a bat to protect themselves... That is human nature...

Being this bigass super power hasn't really worked for the US... By being the badass of the badasses it has allowed itself to become the world's cop... And what we're seeing is that it ain't cheap being the world's cop... It is bakruptin' our country a little bit at a time... Think ancient Rome here, if you like...

So yeah, if the playing filed were level then folks would have to sit down and discuss their differences... Right now, whoever has a nuke wins that discussion reagrdless of the merits of the other side... That certainly isn't working too well for an increasingly "tribalized" (as we're all part of the same bigass tribe) world...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 02:09 PM

Sawz sez:

For instance, I think the new treaty and ban on retaliating with nukes on countries that are in compliance and have no nukes is a good thing.

It kicks the legs out from any arguments about "if the US has nukes, we must have nukes for self protection". It also gives fair warning to North Korea and Iran that we WILL nuke them because they are not in compliance.

Reasonable statement, until you get to the last sentence!

That sentence, as written is false. What that policy statement says is purely the negative, that non-nuclear states are safe from US nuclear devices, and that nuclear states who declare their status and agree to international norms (and stick with them) are safe from US nuclear devices.

It does not say that "we WILL nuke them because they are not in compliance." It is more guarded than that, but leaves the nuclear option on the table. Is that a threat? You betchum! But much more tentative than the absolute way Sawz stated it. More maneuvering room for diplomacy, which is a damn good thing.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 09:13 AM

"If I were Obama, I would leak the technology for ABMs on the net so all the world could defend themselves from nukes even if they don't have them themselves."

And when certain US citizens leaked nuclear secrets to other nations 'to level the playing field', they were condemned as traitors, some were even murdered by the (US) state.

You are now inciting traitorous acts? What a Patriot! :-O

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 08:44 AM

""Now they people that wanted him to be president so bad have to defend him from any criticism and attack anybody that questions his performance. They will defned him even if the country goes bankrupt in the process.""

You mean like the people who defended, and still defend, the idiot who actually wrecked the US economy, and has put in place all the necessary conditions for impending bankruptcy?

A little further up the thread you posted an indignant denial of being constantly negative about the Democrats and Obama, and constantly positive about the Repubs. Busted Pal!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 07:46 AM

Yeah, mouse... It's a sign of sanity to not repeat behavior that isn't working... Too bad that Bush didn't possess a little of it...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 01:01 AM

Foole:

Your agenda is defaming me because I do not agree with you'

I remember people saying he was inexperienced and naive. They said his promises were impractical.

I remember other people saying that is not true. Saying Obama was different, not like other politicians, Better some how. Smarter. More trustworthy. He would keep his promises. He would get it all fixed.

Now who was right?

I think Obama is a nice guy that means well. I don't think he is a crook or mean or selfish or anything negative. I had a wait and see attitude with no animosity. However I think he is an idealist that cannot do what he thinks he can do and what he wants to do. He has not learned what is workable and what is not. It is trial and error.

Now they people that wanted him to be president so bad have to defend him from any criticism and attack anybody that questions his performance. They will defned him even if the country goes bankrupt in the process.

Like I have said so many times, nobody is all good or all bad. You have to judge each person and each action individually as to whether it is good or bad.

For instance, I think the new treaty and ban on retaliating with nukes on countries that are in compliance and have no nukes is a good thing.

It kicks the legs out from any arguments about "if the US has nukes, we must have nukes for self protection". It also gives fair warning to North Korea and Iran that we WILL nuke them because they are not in compliance.

I see the usual right wing people are complaining about it just to have something to complain about.

If I were Obama, I would leak the technology for ABMs on the net so all the world could defend themselves from nukes even if they don't have them themselves.

That would really level the field.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 12:25 AM

"Did Obama tell a lie? Is he just another politician that tells lies to get elected?"

Which of course has nothing to do with the original topic - alleged fictional Hypnotic Speech Techniques. It's just a distraction which reveals your REAL agenda - defaming someone, whether it is just because of his race, or merely because you are paid to do so by your puppet masters, or you just personally dislike him (and that would be nothing to do with his race, you see) throwing muck. Us Educated Nerds use the Term "Ad Hominen" Latin shorthand for 'attacking the person, not the argument'.

"Maybe he intended to do that quite sincerely then got into office and saw he had been a bit naive, and had to adjust his expectations."

There are many in this forum also unable to adjust their expectations, and cope with reality.

"Did Obama tell a lie?"

This seems to be an obsession of some in this forum. Just count the members of The Church of Convenient Bible Interpretation - Today's Sermon: Just do what we say and nobody gets hurt. Insanity: asking the same question over and over again and expecting different answers.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 11:45 PM

Does it have to be a lie, O unimaginative Sawz? Maybe he intended to do that quite sincerely then got into office and saw he had been a bit naive, and had to adjust his expectations. You always come up with the most uncharitable explanation for anything Obama does.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 11:40 PM

Bobert: I really don't know what you are saying has to do with the fact that:

A: Obama said when the American people find out what is in the bill, they will like it.

This says that they DON'T know what is in it.

B: Mr Obama made to campaign promise that there would be transparency and the American people would know what is in bills before they pass.

Did Obama tell a lie? Is he just another politician that tells lies to get elected?

Seems like you read about 5 words and launch a 75 word rebuttal that is totally irrelevant and you never click any links to see what is there.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 09:20 PM

It's OK - as long as we have THEM, it justifies US...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 08:29 PM

Bill, don't get the wrong idea.

I agree with every word you said. Nonetheless I repeat, we all do it, in some shape or form.

It's just that the Repubs are abusing the privilege, but, again in all honesty, I can't get all that worked up about it because it isn't anything new.

It's getting harder by the day to find anything more to say than "Yep, so what else is new"?

As long as the "I've got mine, so screw the rest" attitude predominates in the USA, the Repubs will have the support of the lunatic, Bud soaked, Nascar Fanatic, black and Jew hating, Redneck Gun Nuts.

As long as they have that support, a caring, sharing, civilised USA is a distant dream.

The only thing I can see which might change that, is the Democrats getting into the game and playing a bit of hardball themselves.

Bear in mind that I see this at 3000 miles distance, so my perspective almost inevitably will be different than yours.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 08:24 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 08:23 PM

Obama approves killing of American

WASHINGTON - The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of an American citizen, the radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki...

Yes, master. I understand. Change = you will kill any American you wish. Hope = I hope it ain't me. Yes, master. Yes, master.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 08:06 PM

Don T...do you perhaps remember Sidney J. Harris? Many years ago he wrote columns using that theme. ("I have the courage of my convictions, you are a bit stubborn, he is a close-minded zealot.")

However... we do not ALL do it to the extent it is being done. We are all, of course, inclined to see the world from out own perspective, but (as Little Hawk knows all too well) I object to easy generalizations which function as excuses for not dealing with the exceptions.
Every situation 'should' be evaluated on its own merits, and every person 'should' strive to see more than just what will support his own basic viewpoints.
I simply do not understand the current (general) Republican attitude of refusing to admit that they EVER did what they are now accusing Democrats of doing. It seems to be a matter of just 'wanting power back', no matter what they have to say or do to achieve this. In the last administration, some Democrats would vote for Republican measures if they seemed to be basically for the country's good....but right now, it looks like if Obama noted that "the sun rises in the East", the Republicans would either deny it or accuse him of not giving fair attention to sunsets!

If I had 2 hours to devote to searching and typing, I could show you dozens of flip-flopping on issues, changing rules, inventing 'facts', distorting news and generally portraying anything Obama, Pelosi, or Harry Reid say as socialist propaganda. I'm tired of it....it shows, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 05:43 PM

""It's always a double standard, Bill. That's how the human ego works. What's okay for one's "friends" to do is NEVER okay for one's "enemies" to do... ;-)""


That one is the same the world over.

"I am an innovator, you are an eccentric, he is a bloody lunatic".

Never fails. And we all do it!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 05:20 PM

That's as may be, LH but the Republicans are becoming increasingly childish in its application.

They bring to mind a 7th-Grade lunchroom.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 02:24 PM

It's always a double standard, Bill. That's how the human ego works. What's okay for one's "friends" to do is NEVER okay for one's "enemies" to do... ;-)

Why? Well, because one's friends are "good" people, and therefore the things they do must be good! And one's enemies are "evil" people, therefore what they do must be evil, and they must be stopped!

Even if it's the very same thing... ;-)

You can see this in international politics too, not just in domestic politics. It IS one of the most common diseases of the human condition.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:57 PM

...and not only that, the same question and the same answer are relevant to all the tax cut and deregulation bills passed under Reagan and the Bushes. They passed it because they could, and various Republicans made sure certain features were included! And they used reconciliation!! They KNEW the Democrats would be opposed to the basic thrust of it.
I wonder why the concept that the winning party gets to pass legislation their way only seems to apply to Republican wins?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:40 PM

And they passed it WHY???

If your question is why this bill was passed, being complicated and legalese and hard to understand, the short answer is "because that tends to be the case for any important bill".

On any large piece of legislation, the bill in question has seldom or never been read in detail by any of the legislators (or at best, "very few"). Certain sections will have been worked through by congressional staff (with summarized reports to their principals), and by Representatives and Senators who have a specific interest in that aspect, like the budget-hawks, or the pro-choice or pro-life enthusiasts.

The leadership will have been fairly thoroughly briefed and have read key sections, but reading the bill in its entirety and in detail? Naaahh. That is about it. And of course the leadership will have strategic reasons and partisan political reasons for pushing (or in this case, for the Republicans opposing) passage, which reasons, on both sides, color their perceptions of the bill's (un?)desirability.

Is it pretty? No. But that's the way you make sausage.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:49 PM

"Also, because of the length and complication of the bill in its various versions on the way to a vote, very few people could understand the various planks, all written in legislative legalese. And that includes the legislators ..."



Hmmm....


And they passed it WHY???

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:29 PM

The final bill was thru reconciation, Sawz... All the components of the Senate and House bills had been debated for the last year... The biggest thing in them was strippin' the Medicare deals that were made to bring along a couple of Blue Dog Democrats in the Senate... I doubt very much if the Repubs had any serious problems with doing that...

I'll be the first to admit, however, that without the fillibuster rule the Repubs would have been forced to participate more in thr shaping of the final bill and it would have gotten biparisan support but the Repubs choose early on to not participate and put all their egges into the fiilibuster basket... Too bad for them and too bad for the country as well...

I mean, if the Repubs want more transparency then they are going to have to participate but I think their strategy is to not participate and tyry to make the Dems look like bullies... Not a bad strtaegy for November but a terrible one for the long term interests of the country...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:53 AM

""the bill" as finally passed didn't exist until the very end."

So much for the Obama campaign Promise: "Public Will Have five Days To Look At Every Bill That Lands On My Desk"

Obama September 22, 2008:

    I'll make our government open and transparent so that anyone can ensure that our business is the people's business. Justice Louis Brandeis once said Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant, and as president I am going to make it impossible for congressmen or lobbyists to slip pork barrel projects or corporate welfare into laws when no one's looking because when I'm president meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public... no more secrecy, that's a commitment I make to you as president. No more secrecy!

    And, when there's a bill that ends up on my desk as president, you the public will have five days to look on-line and find out what's in it before I sign it so that you know what your government's doing. When there are meetings between lobbyists and a government agency we'll put as many as pos... as many of those meetings as possible on-line for every American to watch. When there's a tax bill being debated in Congress you will now the names of the corporations that would benefit and how much money they would get. And we will put every corporate tax break and every pork barrel project on-line for every American to see, you will know who asked for them and you can decide whether your representative is actually representing you!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:25 AM

Yep! He puts you to sleep.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:22 AM

I been musing about this 'hypnotic' stuff for days now, just wondrin' how old Itchy could KNOW it worked.

Seems to me the claim is a lot like those who suggest that watchin' ....shhhh... porn will mess you up and hook you and subvert your brain in terrible ways.

How do they KNOW? I assume both those who are worried about Obama listeners and those who worry about porn watchers have also listened and watched themselves..... how DO they protect themselves against the evil impulses.

I know, I know... "we pure and sane ones are immune to the pernicious influences. Just listen to OUR favored sources...(like Faux News).. and you too can see the righteous path!"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 10:24 AM

Sawzaw said, in part:

They say once the American people find out what is in the bill they will like it. Why didn't we know what is in the bill?

For one thing, because "the bill" as finally passed didn't exist until the very end. In order to get the votes necessary to pass, changes of this kind and that kind and the other kind had to be made.

Also, because of the length and complication of the bill in its various versions on the way to a vote, very few people could understand the various planks, all written in legislative legalese. And that includes the legislators and the press, let alone the American people generally.   

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 08:10 AM

I think know that road and I know that bump, Sawz... Well, okay, there are plenty of Chestnut Hill Roads but the one I'm talkin' about runs from Rt. 340 to Rt. 9 and, yeah, if yer travelin' north the Shenadoah River is down on the left side of that twisty ridge...

There some good mergal (mushroom) hunting spots half a mile up the Blue Ridge from that road... Ginsing also grows up there... Ain't no corn liquer stills in that holler no more but lotta pot growers...

Almost heaven...

B~