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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Oct 08 - 02:48 AM From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Aug 08 - 08:49 AM Obama in North Carolina. I can't speak for all of the State, but from what I have seen, Obama has a very good chance of taking this state. It shows, in the ground game. Signs on the lawns,...... People should really learn to not let their dogs do that on other people's lawns! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: Sawzaw Date: 15 Oct 08 - 02:41 AM Guess this ain't much of a story after Troopergate cause this cop actualy did get fired: Joe Biden is corrupt to the core By Bryce A. Priggemeier, Sr. On January 1st, 2001 at about 1 o’clock in the morning, while employed as a police officer for the City of Newark, Delaware and on patrol, I observed a 2001 Ford Explorer pull along side of me at an intersection and proceed about a full car length past the white stop line. When the light turned green and we pulled away, we pulled up to the next intersection and the same vehicle came to a stop well into the middle of the intersection. A traffic stop was initiated and the driver identified herself as Ashley Biden â€" inquiring if I knew who her father was. I detected what I believed to be an odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from Ms. Biden. As per department protocol and because of Ms. Biden’s public notoriety, I requested that a supervisor respond to the scene. During the time period in which I was waiting for the supervisor to arrive, I performed two field sobriety tests while she was inside the vehicle (both of which she failed miserably). Ms. Biden was drunk. My sergeant arrived and was advised that it was my belief that she was intoxicated. As a new officer and fully aware of the political implications that could possibly follow, I looked to my superior for guidance. I had an idea as to how I wanted to see things play out â€" a win/win situation! I wanted to have one of the other officers park the vehicle in a parking lot and take Ms. Biden home. A win/win in my book, because she would have been off the road and any political snafu avoided. Is this right? Absolutely not, but when you see where this is headed â€" if you don’t understand my reasoning thus far you certainly will after hearing the outcome. I was advised by my sergeant that I was to pull Ms. Biden out of the vehicle, perform the remaining field sobriety tests, and that if she was indeed found to be intoxicated and operating a motor vehicle then she was to be arrested and processed accordingly. Needless to say, when she performed the rest of the field sobriety tests she was barely able to stand let alone perform the tests. I looked to my sergeant for one final guiding point and he raised his arm as if to say “What are you waiting for, arrest her.â€쳌 I did.......... .....Two weeks later I was fired without just cause which they could do because of my probationary status as a new officer..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Aug 08 - 01:15 PM Just how is McWar's support anindication of anything good or successful about Ritter? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: Donuel Date: 28 Aug 08 - 12:22 PM I have spent a lot of time in the Scranton Wilkes Barre area were Biden is from. This area was economicly ravaged even before Flint Michigan was devestated. $30,000 a year is a typical good income for Scranton which lost its Coal mines and then joined the rust belt when Steel Plants closed. Biden and his family are humble middle class people to the bone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: EBarnacle Date: 28 Aug 08 - 10:43 AM What worries me about Biden is that he is the senator from DuPont...er, excuse me, Delaware. Delaware is one of the states which which has such minimal regulation on credit, taxes, etc. that a lot of the credit card companies find refuge there. Most of the money to support state government comes from DuPont and they pretty much run the state. As much as I despise Bush/Cheney, and McSame/X, I wonder which set of masters we will be dropping into place in place of the oil lobby. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: Riginslinger Date: 28 Aug 08 - 10:25 AM What I remember of Joe Biden is the way he went after Scott Ritter in the hearings on weapons inspections in Iraq. In the end, Ritter proved to be right. This from Wikipedia: During Ritter's Senate testimony about the inspection process, Senator Joseph Biden stated "The decision of whether or not the country should go to war is slightly above your pay grade." Senator John McCain later rebutted by stating that he "wished that the administration had consulted with somebody of Ritter's pay grade during the Vietnam War." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Aug 08 - 04:48 PM So What? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: Donuel Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:13 AM Biden is bald with only a little hair above his ears and in back. He got hair transplants about 8 years ago. At the time it look like rows of seedlings in a spring garden. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor Date: 27 Aug 08 - 10:52 AM The most important change will be getting the Rs out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: DougR Date: 27 Aug 08 - 01:16 AM Biden was the perfect pick for Obama who has vowed to bring change to the way Washington does business. After all, he has served about 36 years in the Senate. He should know how to do it. Wonder why he hasn't done it already. Not enough time? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Joe Offer, at the Women's Center Date: 26 Aug 08 - 09:41 PM Hey, I just turned 60, Sawzaw. Gotta have a big monitor to read all that little print.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 26 Aug 08 - 08:54 PM 32"? You are getting up in the world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor Date: 26 Aug 08 - 03:24 PM I did not mean to squabble. I don't think I did. It was a lengthy cut and paste and not on one of the threads where such posts are allowed. Its two full pages on my monitor when the with is comfortable to read. But it is within your rules I can live with that. I do not dislike the article because I disagree with it. In fact because it is an opinion piece and not necessarily Bruce's opinion I don't plan to read it. If Bruce were to at least tell us why this man's opinion is relevant to the discussion or even what he likes or dislikes about it. As for me, I don't know Michael Rubin from a hole in the ground and I don't give a damn what he thinks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Aug 08 - 02:16 PM
We have a policy that prohibits lengthy non-music copy-paste posts. Unfortunately, the nice music people are very timid and don't want to break the rules, so they often fail to post the text of music posts. I came across a very frustrating dead link today, and couldn't find the text the link was supposed to lead to. But the NON-MUSIC posters (two of them in particular - I'll call them "A" and "B") are far more aggressive, and they constantly and annoyingly play footsie with the copy-paste policy. In certain threads, I've simply given up, and those threads are forests of copy-paste articles that nobody reads but "A" and "B." But I have to say that "A" and "B" know the rules (or how they are enforced). The limit on non-music copy-pastes, is one screen on my monitor. And since I have a 32-inch monitor, that's a lot of words. And this post, disagreeable though it may be, is under the one-screen limit by a hair. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Aug 08 - 02:14 PM Would someone please delete the blatent bigotry against anything they disagree with? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor Date: 26 Aug 08 - 02:02 PM Would someone please delete the lengthy cut and paste. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Aug 08 - 01:30 PM Washington Post: Biden's Blink on Iran By Michael Rubin Tuesday, August 26, 2008; Page A13 In selecting Joseph Biden as his running mate, Barack Obama acknowledged the importance of foreign affairs to this year's election. His Web site trumpeted Biden as "an expert on foreign policy" and a man "who has stared down dictators." As chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Biden is well versed in policy debates and carefully choreographed trips. But his record on the Islamic Republic of Iran -- perhaps the chief national security threat facing the next president -- suggests a persistent and dangerous judgment deficit. Biden's unyielding pursuit of "engagement" with Iran for more than a decade has made it easier for Tehran to pursue its nuclear program, while his partisan obsession with thwarting the Bush administration has led him to oppose tough sanctions against hard-liners in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Eleven years ago, on Aug. 4, 1997, Iranian President Mohammad Khatami proposed a dialogue of civilizations. The world applauded. Biden spearheaded efforts to seize the mantle of engagement. In September 1998, for example, Biden told the Czech foreign minister that cutting radio broadcasts into Iran might better encourage dialogue. Not long after President Bush declared Iran part of an "axis of evil," Biden headlined a March 13, 2002, dinner at the American Iranian Council, an organization underwritten at the time by a dozen oil companies and dedicated to ending sanctions on Iran. At the gala (at which Biden also endorsed regime change in Iraq), he spoke of the dichotomy between hard-liners and the reformers led by Khatami. In order to encourage reform, he invited "the elected representatives in Iran, to meet with . . . members of the United States Congress." Biden indicated that it would not be his first meeting with Iranian parliamentarians. Fast forward a few years. Khatami left office in 2005 without implementing substantial reform. Between 2000 and 2005, in an effort to engage Iran, European Union trade with that country nearly tripled. Yet far from assuming a moderate posture, "the elected representatives in Iran" allocated nearly 70 percent of the hard currency windfall into military and nuclear programs. The November 2007 National Intelligence Estimate affirmed the fruits of such investment when it found that Iran had pursued a nuclear weapons program until 2003. Although Biden's embrace of engagement coincided with Iran's nuclear warhead work, he acknowledged no error. He told reporters on Dec. 4 that Bush had "misrepresented" the intelligence in a drive to war and declared the same day, "You cannot trust this president." Such poor judgment was not lost on Iranian leaders. Indeed, one of Khatami's top aides suggested that they came to count on it. At a June 14 panel with Iranian journalists and political advisers, former Khatami spokesman Abdollah Ramezanzadeh explained, "We had one overt policy, which was one of negotiation and confidence building, and a covert policy, which was continuation of activities." He advised President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to soften his defiance, noting that: "During our negotiations and so long as we were not subjected to sanctions, we could import technology. We should have negotiated for so long, and benefited from the atmosphere of negotiations to the extent we could import all the technology needed." Bush has been a polarizing figure, but most senators realize that partisanship should never trump national security. In early 2007, evidence mounted that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps was planning terrorist activities in Iraq. An August 2007 National Intelligence Estimate found that "Iran has been intensifying aspects of its lethal support for select groups of Iraqi Shia militants" and that "Explosively formed penetrator (EFP) attacks have risen dramatically." The next month, the Senate considered a bipartisan amendment to designate the Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization, an important step to aid nonviolent efforts to deny it funds and financing. Biden was one of only 22 senators to vote against it. "I voted against the amendment to designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization because I don't trust this administration," he said. Distrust of the U.S. president is the nature of politics, but skepticism about foreign dictators and their Brown Shirts is the backbone of judgment. No matter. Biden's political games have made him Tehran's favorite senator. As Gen. David Petraeus struggled to unite Iraqis across the ethnic and sectarian divide, Iran's Press TV seized on Biden's plan for partitioning Iraq and featured his statements with the headline "US plans to disintegrate Iraq." Biden's attack-dog statements about U.S. policy failures emboldened Iranian hard-liners to defy diplomacy. In the Dec. 7, 2007, official sermon, Ayatollah Mohammad Kashani speaking on behalf of Iran's supreme leader, declared, "This Senator [Biden] correctly says Israel could not suppress Hizbullah in Lebanon, so how can the U.S. stand face-to-face with a nation of 70 million? This is the blessing of the Guardianship of the Jurists [the theocracy] . . . which plants such thoughts in the hearts of U.S. senators and forces them to make such confessions." The crowd met his statement with refrains of "Death to America." Obama picked Biden for experience, but he might also have considered judgment. When it comes to Iran, Biden could stare down dictators; too bad he blinks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 26 Aug 08 - 12:00 AM I have personally attended speeches by Biden and I can truthfully say he is a gas bag. He loves the sound of his own voice and he is prone to put his foot in his mouth at any time. Oh yeah, his son is one of those Evil lobbyists, like Harry Reid's sons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Aug 08 - 09:29 AM Chongo has them beat there. He favors the casual look, but with style. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Aug 08 - 08:44 AM They both keep their dress shirts buttoned up. "Business casual" has not reached the Democratic leadership. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Aug 08 - 12:39 AM Well, I, for one, wish Obama would unbutton his coat. It looks dorky. Does Biden do that, too? -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Aug 08 - 12:50 PM The Late Show David Letterman: Brett Favre says he has reconsidered his decision to retire and he wants to get back in the game. Today, Hillary Clinton said, "You can do that?" The Colbert Report Steven Colbert: Inflation is at its high rate in 17 years. God, it's getting so that a country can't spend a trillion dollars on two wars without hurting its economy anymore. Late Late Show Craig Ferguson: Cindy McCain went to the hospital because she sprained her wrist. Doctors say it's nothing serious. The sprain is probably just from cutting John's meat into little, tiny pieces. The Colbert Report Colbert: There's news that Hillary Clinton's name will be put in nomination at the Democratic convention, after which, I guess, the convention hall will implode like that house in poltergeist. The Late Show Letterman: Italy is designing clothing based on how Barack Obama dresses. And I said, "Well, yeah, that will connect him with the angry, working class voters." The Daily Show Jon Stewart: Bush did sit down with premier Olympic sportscaster Bob Costas. Costas: Given China's growing strength and America's own problems, realistically how much leverage and influence does the U.S. have here? Bush: First of all I don't see America having problems. Stewart: I think that might be our biggest problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: Amos Date: 24 Aug 08 - 12:29 PM Biden is a good call. Even mcCain calls him a good man and a formidable opponent. I have my fingers crossed that he doesn't open his mouth too wide and at the wrong time and put a whole mess o'feet into it. But these guys, BArack and Joe, are ready to rumble, and I think we're going to see some serious sparks before they finally take the oath of office next winter. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Aug 08 - 08:49 AM Obama in North Carolina. I can't speak for all of the State, but from what I have seen, Obama has a very good chance of taking this state. It shows, in the ground game. Signs on the lawns, enthusiastic volunteers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Aug 08 - 08:38 AM "As long as you're alive you gave an obligation to strive." Biden's Mom. |
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Subject: BS: Getting to know Biden From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Aug 08 - 08:26 AM Biden interviewed at the Commonwealth Club of California. |
