BS: flying - full body scan revised

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: GUEST,Uncle Rumpo
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 12:55 PM

Would there be any penalty if one was a care free Exhibisionist
and paraded through the scanner
with a full on erection ?

.. and what about genital piercings ?

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 12:40 PM

This is news here today.

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: Genie
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 12:37 PM

Well, I'm more concerned about the accumulated radiation from these full-body scanners than about TSA agents seeing my bulges (natural or otherwise).   I've read that it's not clear that the amount of radiation delivered to your skin by these scanners is insignificant in the case of frequent flyers. Yet I don't want to risk missing my fight because of having to be taken aside to wait for a TSA agent to be able to get around to patting me down.

If I thought these and other rules, such as not being able to have a bottle of water or shampoo or a tube of toothpaste in my carry-on luggage, were keeping us safe, I'd feel different. But there are so many, many ways one could get a lethal weapon or even bomb-making materials onto a plane despite these restrictions, that I see these hassles and restrictions as just part of the right-wing strategy to make us "be afraid - be very afraid."

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 11:55 AM

The scowling, soulless atmosphere of security checkers seems to go with the job.

On Amtrak from Vancouver, BC to Seattle we stopped a few miles into the US and a security team of three people and two dogs came aboard. They checked everybody's papers as they worked their way down the aisle.

Nobody smiled, nobody acknowledged our humaity, no one said please or thank you.

It made me feel like acting like I had something to hide. I don't know if this is how they are taught to behave or if they get that way from burnout. But, imo, we would be just as safe if the checkers were thorough but courteous.

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: olddude
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 11:36 AM

Donuel
Ben Franklin today would agree with you I think

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 09:44 AM

My take on Ben Franklin's idea of trading liberty for security
http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/penny1.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 09:41 AM

Don't worry no one ever gets cancer from X rays.
or so THEY say.

The X ray trucks are now deployed and can Xray your car and its contents, your wood frame house and its contents and even your baby in its widdle baby seat. Isn't that just adorable?

The panel van back scatter X ray is more powerful tahn the airport. Yes the minimum wage TSA guards love to oogle the nasty bits. I've seen them titter as they do.

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: DebC
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 09:34 AM

I went through a full body scanner last month at Boston Logan. First off I really don't care what they see (the scanners at Logan only show an outline of your body just to make sure you don't have any un-natural bulges; the Boston Globe did a huge report on them when they were installed and actually showed the images that the screeners see) and second, it's just part of the deal of flying nowadays.

The TSA reps described above by OD were definitely acting inappropriately and that behaviour should have been respectfully called out. A supervisor should have been alerted and their behaviour reported.

I fly a lot and the difference in TSA attitude between 9 years ago and now is night and day. In the last few years my encounters with TSA have been respectful and pleasant, with one exception which I won't go into now (too long a story).

I'm sorry your scissors got taken away, Jacqui.

Deb Cowan

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 09:22 AM

It is the inconsistency a lot of people object to. Sometimes we have to take shoes off, sometimes not, same with belts. Entering NZ I had to take my wallet, checkbook etc out of my pockets. Leaving UK I've seen people had to take off flip-flops with no room for concealment. Coming back from Greece, no shoe or belt check, bottles of water often waved through.

RtS
(haven't been through a full body scanner yet, I can imagine the vomiting from the viewing room if I did!)

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 09:09 AM

At mu age I really don't care whether I have to go through one of these screenings. i don't think that the sight of my body is going to titillate anyone nowadays. However, as a young woman, it might have caused me more concern.

I certainly think that the security staff should be more respectful - joking about something like that is not warranted and should be dealt with as soon as it starts.

On silly requirements - I took a pair of small, rounded end scissors on a flight out of Heathrow last December and they were confiscated, even though they were well within the rules, which I checked the night before flying. As a result I was unable to crochet during the flight. Another woman on the plane had long knitting needles - certainly much more capable of being used as a weapon than my little scissors. I thin I got the jobsworth checking me.

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: frogprince
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 09:26 PM

I think it's safe to say that most women, if they accept the scanning, would prefer to have a woman on the viewing end. I really wonder, if you took a substantial survey of men, what the percentages of preference would be.

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:40 PM

It might defuse things somewhat to have only women viewing the scans of women and men viewing the scans of men.

I'm surprised that's not a requirement.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: gnu
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:30 PM

"pissed to say the least to see this kind of behavior"

I would be as well. Very odd that such could happen.

As far as the scan itself, good oh says I as it may save lives. Same as going to the doc really. No???

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: olddude
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:29 PM

I believe it was Ben Franklin that said something like those who trade their freedom for security have neither ... or something along those lines.

I also don't think it does a thing to help security ... the elderly lady next to me on the aircraft with a bag of steel knitting needles yet you cannot bring a pair of fingernail clippers ... what the hell is that all about ...


You cannot bring a zippo lighter but matches is just fine ... and the nonsense list goes on and on ..   You cannot bring alcohol because someone could start a fire but you can bring the highly combustible hand sanitizer

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:07 PM

Personally, I don't give a bugger what the scanner sees. If the person behind the scanner gets turned on by seeing my dangly bits then he/she must be very sad - but if it keeps me safe when up in the air then I'll put up with it.


DC

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: Tangledwood
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:10 PM

Nope, IF I ever come back stateside, I will do what I did last year, fly into Canada, and bus across to the US.

Good option if you can do it. When I flew from Sydney to Vancouver a couple of years ago the flight was via Honolulu; just a fuel stop. However all passengers were required to leave the aircraft, go through US customs, then reboard. This for a flight that wasn't even going to USA.

Do any other countries do a similar thing? Certainly, flying from Australia to UK one doesn't have to go through customs at Singapore or Dubai if not overnighting there.

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: olddude
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 12:17 PM

Yes John so right. And who is making sure the TSA agents are the supposed "good guys". I mean a perfect job for a sex predator or child molester isn't it. With this young girl they have her name address and now naked images of her ... Who assures us they are the "good guys" right. By there college boy frat behavior ya gotta wonder.   For God sakes is this what we have become as a nation.   My kids fly a lot for their jobs. Just the thought of these guys getting off on one of them would be enough to send me over the edge ...

screwed up country for sure

Subject: RE: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 11:42 AM

Yeah well, the present US border services paranoia, allied with that sort of attitude, is the reason why I shall NEVER fly into the USA again. It MIGHT help if those humourless goons that maarshall the lines for immigration, didn't behave like direct descendants of the Waffen SS.
Nope, IF I ever come back stateside, I will do what I did last year, fly into Canada, and bus across to the US. I'm sure that route has been discovered by others as well!
Yes you get checked, and yes you need to fill in forms, and pay a few bucks, but hey, it's not like they make you feel like Public Enemy #1

Subject: BS: flying - full body scan revised
From: olddude
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 11:33 AM

Coming back home from Detroit yesterday at the airport security line they had a full body scanner.   Now I don't give it much thought other than I think it is wrong and sooner or later the courts are going to have to decide if it is legal. Strip search is strip search machine or otherwise and probable cause needs to be there I think. Anyway, ahead of me in the line maybe 3 people is a young blond college girl. Very beautiful with her Univ of Miami tank top. When she went into the machine with her hands above her head I watched the two security agents grinning and whispering to each other and joking. I know the person who sees it is in another room but I tell you it appalled me. Now like the other thread you can refuse to go in. If you do you are delayed and taken to a room and virtually strip searched anyway ... These two TSA agents with their stupid grins on their face made me want to go postal on their arse .. The young girl was just trying to go back to school most likely and as a father of 3 beautiful daughters I was pissed to say the least to see this kind of behavior. This is what we have become. The very society we supposedly fight against.   Makes me sick actually.