BS: Dust Storm 2011

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 10:26 AM

"dry weather in Europe and China and floods in the U.S. eroded prospects for corn, wheat and soybean crops."

was also contained in your link.


What was not included in the India story is that there is very little left of the receded glaciers whose melting contributed to the floods and increase3d harvest in many places downstream.

When the gacier has no more to give other than a single seasons of snow, those earlier bountiful supplies of fresh water will dry up.

I urge people to look at the big picture and not be led by the nose at the first link they see, sponsored by giant corporate maney and interests.


It is said the devil is in the details. It is important to not get lost in the details either.

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 10:18 AM

Keep your fingers crossed, but superstition and propoganda won't change a thing.

Having foreign countries cutting private deals with individual corporate farmers here in the USA is a provocative change in my book.

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Kent Davis
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 12:15 AM

No one, not me, not Ebbie, not Little Hawk, not even Donuel, knows what tomorrow may bring. However, as Ebbie indicated, some expectations for tomorrow are based on sources, and others aren't.

The references below deal only with wheat, not with all crops, and they may turn out to be wrong, but they do tend to argue against Donuel's claim that "...the unprecedented crop failure world wide this year will become more historic than WW 2. Russia India China and even SA are all failing...IF you live in the US you already know that there is no way that this years crop is going to make up for last year's failures."

Record wheat crop expected in India http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-13/wheat-production-in-india-may-climb-to-record-for-fourth-year-on-planting.html

Good wheat crop expected in U.S. and Russia http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-07/wheat-drops-for-second-day-as-u-s-weather-improves-russia-exports-resume.html


Kent

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 11:47 PM

sheesh

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 11:30 PM

That's for sure, Donuel. Be careful! You may get tried for heresy any time now.

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 08:54 PM

Get a grip Ebbie, for someone who should know better, you are certainly a naieve uninformed person. Making fun of me, the information I have to impart or my dyslexic way of expressing myself is reflective upon you, not me. Seeing that you rarely if ever have important (non self) things to say, challenging your credibility does not apply to you.



Either listen to Pacifica radio or Read anything by Lester R Brown.

His latest book World on the Edge does have hopeful things we can do to prevent an enviornmental, economic and food collapse, but in the real world there are few who will heed the alternatives, let alone get the warning.


Straight up - I am not prophetizing when it comes to the great food crisis of 2012. There have been food riots worldwide since 2009, but perhaps you did not notice.
On the other hand I realize that no one wants the "prophet" to live in thier home town. Folks like you get annoyed when their Pollyanna plans get disturbed.

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 01:51 PM

Will Fly: it started in Tucson so I doubt they got it as bad as we did in the Phoenix area. I've lived here over 50 years and have never seen anything like it.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 03:20 AM

Back in the late 1970s, I got stuck in a three-day dust storm in Bakersfield, California. Bakersfield is the kind of place where you expect dust storms, or blistering heat, or torrential winter downpours with flash floods, or air so acidic that it burns your eyes.

Anyhow, I was lucky enough to be staying in the only motel in town that still had electricity - which meant their restaurant was very, very crowded. The sewers backed up and overflowed into the streets in the nearby town of Arvin. I was only 108 miles from home, but I couldn't get there and I couldn't get any work done. The dust ruined the paint and windshield on my car. Everything I touched on that car felt gritty for a year afterward.

The Phoenix photo BrooklynJay linked to is dramatic - but dust storms aren't dramatic when you're in them. It's like you're in a gritty fog, and it's just plain miserable. Still, I lived to tell about it, and I still enjoy telling the story 35 years later. I'm glad I got paid to endure that dust storm; and that it was the government's car that got ruined in the dust storm, not mine.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Deckman
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 12:04 AM

We have friends in Northern AZ ... the wind shifted and it's closing in them. bob(deckman)nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 11:46 PM

If you want dust storm songs Bill Gallaher of B.C., but originally of one fo the prairie provinces..has written some masterpieces. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 10:58 PM

Gee Eb......At least Donnie didn't call it a two mile high kaboob! But wouldn't that be something to see.......haboob......2 miles high..................whatta' haboob!



Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 10:51 PM

sheesh Donuel, I know it is against your principles but I do wish you would distinguish between sources and gut feelings. Even just once in awhile would be nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 08:56 PM

This recent dust storm was two miles high.

I know no one wants to hear it but the unprecedented crop failure world wide this year will become more historic than WW 2.

Russia India China and even SA are all failing because they pump underground water for irrigation and they are now on the last 20% of water that remains underground.

IF you live in the US you already know that there is no way that this years crop is going to make up for last year's failures.

Every country is going to want US grain. Korea has already begun to make private deals with US farmers. You can bet that China will do the same.

Russia had a heat wave last year that hurt thier yield leaving only only 60% of their expected crop.

The droughts and floods combined will probably effect the IS grain supply by a loss of 30% when an increase of 35 percent is needed to make up for last year.

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 05:02 PM

That dust is topsoil.

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 04:51 PM

Video footage of a wall of dust sweeping over a city was on UK TV this evening. Incredible to watch. We don't realise over here the scale of natural phenomena in other parts of the world.
Quack!
Geoff.

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 11:53 AM

My family lived through North Dakota dust storms in the '30s. Mom said she would rush around soaking towels and putting them on window sills but that she always had to clean the house afterward.

Scary stuff, which didn't stop until they planted windbreaks and cottonwoods by the creeks to hold the soil.

Which they have now taken out. Does anyone know why they are no longer needed?

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 11:39 AM

Lots of images & stories

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 11:08 AM

Those things are actually named "Haboobs." I think Woody might have had a harder time writin' about haboobs.........................maybe not....................


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: gnu
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 11:07 AM

Nasty!

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Will Fly
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 10:37 AM

Brrr... looks vile. Hope my sister in Tucson is OK - weather forecast there over the next few days is thunderstorms with 40% chance of precipitation...

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: pdq
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 10:30 AM

Most of Arizona is on an unusual rain cycle with heavy rains expected from late June through much of August. The center in July when one storm can bring an inch of rain.

They call this Monsoon Season, but is does not happen in drought years.

This "dust bowl" condition can be fixed in a day with the right amount of rain, but the forecast is for a week of 105^o F and clear skies (exept for the dust).

Subject: RE: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 10:21 AM

Seen that sort of thing. Driven through it in Illinois and Indiana.

Subject: BS: Dust Storm 2011
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 10:09 AM

Making the national news broadcasts yesterday here in the States was a huge dust storm that hit near Phoenix, Arizona. The footage they showed looked like something out of a Woody Guthrie song.

Here's one photo.

Compare with this one from 1935.

Frightening stuff, indeed.

Jay