Obit: Alexei Navalny (1976-2024)

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny (1976-2024)
From: meself
Date: 02 Mar 24 - 10:32 AM

Re: "partisan postings". If you look at the comments under any youtube article from the Telegraph about Navalny or the Ukraine war, you will find it flooded with pro-putin comments. They repeat the same three or four accusations, insinuations, or distractions, usually in broken English, usually under an 'Anglo/Celt' name, but of any nationality other than Russian. Draw your own conclusions.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny (1976-2024)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 02 Mar 24 - 09:25 AM

There's been coverage of the funeral service, and of the crowds outside, on the TV news in the UK. I admit wondering aloud whether there was a gulag big enough for *that* many mourners, but I suspect (cf an article on BBC red button) that there'll be a fair number of people suddenly out of a job in two days' time.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny (1976-2024)
From: robomatic
Date: 01 Mar 24 - 03:31 PM

There have been reports of thousands of Russians gathering in public to honour his body and life. I hope those who honour the man and his life as well as his relatives are protected going forward.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Feb 24 - 07:22 AM

According to the Washington Post,
Navalny's body has at last been released to his mother.
She was at the prison for eight days waiting for this.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Feb 24 - 08:07 PM

I remember not that long ago when Alexei Navalny was suddenly taken ill and was brought low with pain. His supporters were able to have him evacuated out of Russia to Germany where he remained for a long period of diagnosis, treatment, and recuperation. I believe it is included in the movie "Navalny" which includes a brilliant piece of telephone acting where they got information on his poisoning at the hands of Putin and his slaves: from the mouths of the perpetrators.

It seems likely to me that the new delays are to allow degradation or outright elimination of the evidence.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Feb 24 - 02:24 AM

On BBC News this morning - Alexei Navalny’s family have been told that his body will not be released for another two weeks. You do have to wonder why, what are they trying to hide?

Meanwhile, Yulia Navalnaya continues her campaign on her late husband’s behalf. A powerful woman who must surely be the next target for the Putin regime? I wonder how long it will be before she is ‘accidented’ or ‘suicided’ by his thugs?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/20/first-edition-alexei-navalny-successor-opposition

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 08:00 PM

Delaying an autopsy can hide some truths, Even JFK's brain has never been recovered for autopsy.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 02:21 PM

Dick, read the thread title. The thread is specific to Alexei Navalny’s death. Can we keep it that way please? Of course you’re right about those others - please feel free to start a thread or threads about those - but in the meantime, please respect Alexei Navalny’s memory by sticking to the thread topic.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 01:19 PM

Sad indeed, but let us not forget other martyrs. Martin Luther King, and Allende, who were not murdered by the Russians
James Earl Ray (March 10, 1928 – April 23, 1998) was an American fugitive convicted of the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.

I am sorry to hear of Navalnys death, but it is important to keep it in perspective, and to remember other assasinations carried out by other super powers, including China and Belgium
This sadly is not a new phenemenon, Stalin Mao and Western super powers have in the past all been guilty of political murder
Patrice Émery Lumumba , Belgium formally apologised for its role in the execution.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 12:31 PM

His wife is out of the country, but his mother went to try to claim his body. I hadn't heard about the refusal - since I read BWMs note I pulled up a story - good for his mother, and there are cameras following her, putting more pressure on Putin.

Alexey Navalny's widow says Russia "hiding his body, refusing to give it to his mother"

This is CBS news in the US, hopefully easily opened from either side of the pond (whichever pond you're across).

Adding to the anguish felt by the late Russian opposition leader Alexey Navalny's family, his mother and his team have reportedly been denied access to his body and told by investigators that the official probe into his death is being extended, and it's unclear how long it will take.

"They are cowardly and meanly hiding his body, refusing to give it to his mother," Yulia Navalnaya, the widow of the fierce Kremlin critic said in a video statement four days after Russian prison authorities announced his death in prison — which they attributed to "sudden death syndrome."

Navalnaya, who lives in exile outside Russia, accused the Russian authorities of "lying miserably while waiting for the trace of another Putin's Novichok to disappear," referring to a poison allegedly used by Russian security services in at least one previous politically motivated assassination attempt.

This link is embedded in that story:
Alexey Navalny's message to the world, "if they decide to kill me"

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 07:30 AM

His mother has tried three times to claim his body, and was refused entry to the mortuary each time.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 06:37 AM

Navalny's wife went to reclaim his body but it is missing.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 05:59 AM

Trump has remained totally silent regarding Navalny this week.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Feb 24 - 04:25 PM

On places like Facebook if you have sorted your friends and acquaintances into categories you can post to any or all of those, or you can post publicly so the whole world can see. I don't think there is such a breakdown in Instagram. On Twitter you can (could? I haven't looked at it for a while) categorize the accounts you followed in lists then go to each list to see what was current. I don't know if you could make X posts anything other than public (the whole world) or private (only accounts you allow to see your content.) The rest of it - I don't fool much with TikTok, never look at other venues.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Feb 24 - 08:23 AM

My reference to ‘Yulia Navalny ‘ in my earlier post should, of course, been ‘Yulia Navalnaya’. Apols for my lack of attention to detail.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Feb 24 - 12:37 AM

I've noticed for some time that partisan postings typically have comments of extreme approval all the way up to worshipful affirmation. What I can't figure out is why so much writing that is totally uncritical to the point of brainlessness and getting many likes. Are these comments bot-sourced? Is there a way to tell? If I post a comment that doesn't follow the party line can it be made invisible to the regular viewers?

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Feb 24 - 12:10 AM

A friend here in the US posted a tribute to Navalny on Instagram with hashtags flagging Putin and received spam messages from bots he thought were probably pro-Russian. (He is easily confused by these things - at first he thought other accounts had reported his content as inappropriate and he was in trouble, but then realized the messages he received were a spoof of an Instagram scold about his content). He was ready to close his Instagram account because he was so angry that Instagram would flag him for posting the support.

If Putin can take down the folks who support Navalny, he's halfway to getting away with it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Putin had a bot farm pushing back against the Navalny supporters.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Feb 24 - 08:28 PM

Robo, Navalny himself has said Putin was weak. Our former ambassador to Russia and friend to Navalny has repeated that sentiment about Putin many times since the execution.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: robomatic
Date: 17 Feb 24 - 06:38 PM

Masha Gessen weighs in from The New Yorker


Hope you can access this.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: robomatic
Date: 17 Feb 24 - 05:36 PM

Someone on NPR was being interviewed. I don't know if they (or anyone in the West) can be considered a Russian 'expert' but their opinion was that this was a sign of weakness on the part of P***n because if he was strong, the death of a political opponent would not be necessary. I think there might be some truth to it but I also think it might be over-simplistic in Russia.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Feb 24 - 08:55 AM

Few revolutionaries are willing to endure the heroic suffering of retribution but there are many wives in Russia. Putin won't execute Navalny's wife. I think Putin will be smart enough to not risk blowback from the wives in Russia. That is unless Yulia runs for President.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Feb 24 - 05:02 AM

A very impressive appearance by Yulia Navalny, the wife of Alex, at the Munich Security Conference yesterday. Like her husband, a shining example of courage and determination. I fear she will be a target henceforth…

Yulia Navalny addresses the Munich Security Conference…

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Feb 24 - 11:45 PM

Someone on the news today was looking for the right word to describe Navalny and his memory - I think the word "martyr" is what they were looking for. Hopefully this haunts Putin the rest of his unnatural term as president/dictator/whatever.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Feb 24 - 08:56 PM

Bummer indeed.

Subject: RE: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: Helen
Date: 16 Feb 24 - 06:12 PM

I agree robomatic.

It was predictable but inevitable. Very, very sad, and it foretells worse things to come in Russia.

Rest in peace, Mr Navalny, in the knowledge that you gave your life in the quest for democracy and freedom in Russia.

Subject: Obit: Alexei Navalny - (1976-2024)
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Feb 24 - 06:04 PM

I was upset to learn what had predicted: The death in what amounts to the modern day Russian Gulag of Alexei Navalny, political opponent to what passes for the current Russian dictatorship/ kleptocracy that holds Russia in thrall.
He joins a sad list of brave and good political movers and journalists that have tried to sustain freedom of information and the prospect of bottom-up government.

I bring it up here because I had a strong emotional reaction and because it was so goddam predictable.

May his memory live on and may his example lead and inspire.