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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: GUEST,Frank Date: 25 Oct 04 - 06:05 PM Bill did everything he said he was going to do. Bush has done nothing he said he would do. Bill's economy was the envy of the world. Bush's economy is the laughingstock of the world. Bill slipped and had Monica. Bush slipped and over 1100 Americans are dead in Iraq. Bill thwarted the Los Angeles International Airport attempted bomb. 9/11 happened under Bush. And now to add matters to Bush's plan for Iraq, we have Al Ca Ca. The shit has hit the fans. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Nerd Date: 25 Oct 04 - 05:57 PM Well, I saw Bill Clinton and John Kerry and Carol Moseley Braun and (PA Governor) Ed Rendell and (Congressman/Senate candidate) Joe Hoeffel and (Congressman) Chakha Fattah and (Philly Mayor) John Street, and a bunch of others at the Rally today. People were very upbeat and pumped for Kerry! I was close enough to see them in person (not on the jumbotron, which was behind me) but alas not close enough to see them well. So I don't know if Bill Clinton looked fully recovered or not. But he spoke well, made an elegant, brief case for Kerry, and then let the Senator speak. Good job by all! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 25 Oct 04 - 12:39 PM SRS: Precisely what IS your position to do with Bill Clinton. To date, you seem to have addressed what you don't like about mine and simultaneously said little about yours. It's Dr Jekyll; we must Hyde. (From Abbott and Costello) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 25 Oct 04 - 12:30 PM SRS: My skin seems to be about the same thickness as yours. You might wish to step back also. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Rapparee Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:34 AM Sorry. I thought that this was about Bill the Cat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Blissfully Ignorant Date: 25 Oct 04 - 01:04 AM Good greif. It reads like the script of a down-market porno movie... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Oct 04 - 11:58 PM Brucie, your attacks are puzzling, and double posting just contributes to the confusion. No "personal attacks" were aimed at you. But the discourse in this political season is pretty sharp, so if you have a thin skin, you might want to step back a bit from the screen. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 24 Oct 04 - 10:00 PM Re your allegation (read personal attack): SRS, your thoughts about me are your business. As are mine about you my business. We don't like each other and that's fine. However, if you want an argument with me that incorporates literature and slurs, you have got one. Your call, hotshot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Ellenpoly Date: 23 Oct 04 - 03:38 AM SRS, I stand corrected about Nixon. And actually it works both ways. Jimmy Carter, in my mind, was a deeply moral man, who "sinned in his heart" or whatever he said in that Playboy interview, and people made fun of him for taking his marriage and his religion so seriously. Ya can't win in American politics. (But you can steal the Presidency.) ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Bill Hahn//\\ Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:52 PM To clear the matter up===words. Fundamental---having to do with basics, roots, etc; I leave the anus to you and go with "mental"---and surely the "fund" which is what the whole bunch of people mentioned above actually wanted along with "power". So---wordplay is over and depth is back.. Is it??? Bill Hahn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:19 PM I wonder, if he knew then what he knows now, if he'd do it all over again. (Which reminds me of Dylan's "If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it all over you.") I followed the Clinton investigation in awe. Lawyers are so clever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Nerd Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:10 PM Fundament means buttocks or asshole. OED: "The Lower part of the body, on which one sits; the buttocks; also, to orifice of the intestines; the anus." As to the "great wordplay," That's "if you do say so yourself," no? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Bill Hahn//\\ Date: 22 Oct 04 - 06:41 PM Not worth the effort---I liked the mentalist part---great word play. I think I can read your mind and shame on what you are thinking of this post. Bill Hahn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Nerd Date: 22 Oct 04 - 06:38 PM The first part is "fundament." You can look it up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Bill Hahn//\\ Date: 22 Oct 04 - 06:37 PM Ahhh---politics and world survival defined by sexuality. Now there is depth. By that logic we should have hoped that Adolf had more than one testicle, Stalin "shtupped" more, Harry should have cuckolded Bess, and what can we say about Churchill with the real cigar in his mouth. If the above happened perhaps we would be at peace---well, until the fundamentalists from the middle east who are pure decided to attack and show us that those who hide their women from view and treat them as chattel want a wee peek at our Western ways on their terms. By the way---Fundamentalist. Look at the word and note that the last part is Mentalist. They can read your mind? If that be so then they should know that we need a philanderer in the White House because by the above logic a philanderer would take his eye off the ball---sadly, only the U S version of a Funda(Mentalist) did that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Nerd Date: 22 Oct 04 - 06:06 PM To piggyback on SRS, one of the reasons why Clinton was acquitted of Perjury charges was that his definition of "sex" was not only in line with the prosecution's, but with Lewinsky's as well. In the Tripp tapes, where Monica did NOT know she was being taped, she said "We didn't even come close to having sex. We fooled around." I think within her generation (which includes me; I'm less than 10 years older than she is, I think) this is a common definition, and most people would not consider a BJ to be "having sex." So to respectfully disagree with Brucie, when you say: "And his great line: We did not have sex! Any of you guys wanna try that line on your girlfriends or wives? RIIGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTT. I am sure they'll understand. Go ahead. Almost worked for Billy." In fact it DID work. The prosecution had defined Sex in a certain way: he had to be touching certain parts of her body (mouth mysteriously excluded) with certain parts of his body, with the intention of giving sexual pleasure. So all he had to do was claim 1) it was only a blowjob (which by all accounts was true) 2) any other touching (with the hands, etc) was in his mind exclusively for his pleasure, not hers (which cannot be disproved) and he did not "have sex" with her, as defined by THE PROSECUTION. This may be a technicality, but it was perfectly legal, and in fact he was acquitted of all perjury charges because everything he said was technically true. That doesn't make it RIGHT, and as he admitted later on, he had an "inappropriate" relationship with her and slept on the couch for a good while. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Nerd Date: 22 Oct 04 - 05:52 PM I meant Good One to the original post, not to the kind comment regarding my posts. But that was a good one too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Oct 04 - 05:47 PM So are there two people posting as Brucie? Or do you have a Jekyll and Hyde operation going? You've responded twice to the last couple of remarks, once in a reasonable voice, the other in an angry voice. I know it must be hard for Clinton-haters to imagine, but Monica was no babe-in-the-woods when it came to sex, and she was bright enough to know that whether pres of the U.S. or just the college boy down the hall in the dorm, most guys don't resist when an attractive woman has his full and undivided attention in the way she did. If you've read any of her remarks to others, you can see she was pretty impressed with herself. I agree with Nerd, privacy was no doubt sought--the Republican image of sex next to the big desk in the round room is probably a product of Kenneth Starr's Madison Avenue representation of the events. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Nerd Date: 22 Oct 04 - 05:34 PM Good one! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 04 - 05:33 PM Nerd: I saw the post was from you, and I never could resist your writings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 04 - 05:32 PM Thank you. I am now half as relieved as Bill must have felt. LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Nerd Date: 22 Oct 04 - 05:31 PM Brucie (in case you do come back), I'm pretty sure the image of Bill and Monica in the actual oval office was one spread by Republican shame-mongerers. I'm pretty sure they never fooled around in there. Complicating matters is the fact that Whitehouse staffers refer to the whole Oval Office complex as "The Oval Office"; like "The West Wing," this is a substantial area of the house. So even if they did it in what a staffer might call "the oval office," there are plenty of rooms included in that, so it doesn't mean what you are no doubt picturing (yeuch!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 04 - 04:05 PM No prob, Bob. I realize that Clinton and his activities are not my business. I do think, however, that he was pretty foolish to get caught. I have to get ready for Sunday School, so I'll be away from this thread forever. Thanks, all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Deckman Date: 22 Oct 04 - 04:01 PM Brucie ... I sit corrected! Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 04 - 03:57 PM Bob, that is what I would have said as an American. I did mention the Trudeaus, and that was the Canadian connection. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 04 - 03:56 PM "Sexual misbehavior is not the same as a power grab and declaring war in the way that Bush did it." Clinton's sexual misbehavior WAS a power grab with an intern in the White House. "If you can't tell the difference between the two and are equating all "points of principle" as being equal, then you need to take off those colored glasses and take a look around." I took off the glasses and looked around. The President decided to interpret a blowjob in a government office as a non-sexual issue. I am impressed. Love a guy who figures getting blown isn't sex. "There are a lot of issues that need more evaluation and critical thinking than the application of a policy adopted in your childhood Sunday School class." I never attended Sunday School classes. I seldom attend church, and it is not a religious issue for me. Please take your presumptions and put them somewhere. Your pedantics, in this case, seem to be that any aberation short of all-out war are OK in those we elect. I do not agree. If he had told the electorate that he'd be getting head instead of using it, he might not have gotten elected. He abused his power and authority. Having someone like that support Kerry's campaign is stupid, IMO. If I were with Bush, I'd be telling the world that Billy is helping Kerry. People will draw the conclusion all on their own. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Deckman Date: 22 Oct 04 - 03:55 PM Brucie ... " you are too stupid for me to vote for!" Unless I'm mistaken, you don't have the option of voting for him as you live in Canada. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 04 - 03:29 PM Oh, I do not judge Bill by that alone. Nor should anyone. I simply said that I can't picture the Oval Office anymore without a picture of him with his cock getting attended to. It was simply not very dignified. As to EP's remark about fidelity and other Presidents, fidelity is indicative of little but fidelity. There are other terms for people like Truman. Mass murderer is one that comes to mind. Don't assume that fidelity enters the equation for me when I vote for someone. However, if you are stupid enough to get blown AND get caught, you're likely too stupid for me to vote for. That is all I meant. And no, I don't wish to fight with anyone about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:00 AM Nixon is not a good example of a devoted husband, Ellen. He strayed plenty, according to gossip that was around at the time and shortly after he was in office.
Bruce, I haven't a clue as to what kind of comparison you were attempting to make in that sentence. It makes no sense. My whole point is that if he hadn't been stalked by Scaife this never would have come out. And I feel quite sure that every person who has been president has something in their personal history that can equally be blown out of proportion. (yeah, you can play with that wording if you want to, but to the detriment of the point being made). Sexual misbehavior is not the same as a power grab and declaring war in the way that Bush did it. If you can't tell the difference between the two and are equating all "points of principle" as being equal, then you need to take off those colored glasses and take a look around. There are a lot of issues that need more evaluation and critical thinking than the application of a policy adopted in your childhood Sunday School class. Of course, one of the reasons so much stuff is drilled into children at impressionable ages is the hope by church leaders (or parents) that they will grow into adulthood not questioning the values they were force-fed as children. A sign of intellectual maturity is to revisit those issues and to understand why you hold or don't hold with those early teachings. Just think about it a little before telling us again that all things are equal. I'm not trying to start a fight with you, Bruce, and I agree with a lot of the other things you say. But on this we do part ways, as you suggest. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Ellenpoly Date: 22 Oct 04 - 10:28 AM But if the sexual proclivities of a man is the litmus test for who should or should not be in office... ...it might be worth taking a look at those gentlemen who were faithfully monogamous and if one thinks their activities in the Oval Office made them men of higher principles. Off the top of my head, I think of Harry Truman, the only person to order not one, but two atom bombs dropped. And then there was Richard Nixon, a very devout husband, who was also the biggest (maybe) crook to ever have sat in that executive chair. The point I'm making is that whether or not Bill Clinton, or JFK, or FDR, or Eisenhower had mistresses and sexual activites in and around the Oval Office (Kennedy apparently had them come in shifts) I think their records need to extend beyond their cocks. ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: dianavan Date: 22 Oct 04 - 01:39 AM How about F*** Bush and Lick Dick. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Nerd Date: 22 Oct 04 - 01:21 AM I was in Salt Lake City last week, and in small letters, on the window of the office of the republican candidate for Attorney General, there was a little graffiti which read: "LICK BUSH IN '04" That's pretty racy for Utah! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 21 Oct 04 - 07:12 PM Don't give a shit where else it happens. It should NOT be happening in government offices. I too think that war is a sin. I don't think getting laid is, but not on my buck or in my house. The Trudeaus had the decency to take it away from our government buildings in Canada. Keriste, the guy ain't got the class to rent a friggin' room somewhere? Don't pretend to lecture me on Bill and his inappropriate choice of time and place to get his oil changed. It was classless (if not exactly tasteless--ya's have to ask Monica about that). Saying there are "far more serious things that politicians do" is like saying, "Hey, we'll use guns over here and limit the war and bombs over there and pave the country". If you don't see it as a matter of principle, you and I got zip to talk about. Nothin' personal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:04 PM Give me a break, brucie! You think that kind of thing doesn't happen all of the time in places of power and behind the green baize door in various parliamentary buildings? Political power is one of the most powerful aphrodisiacs around. You have certainly heard about the antics that politicians and their mistresses and spouses and lovers get up to over the decades in D.C. An example, Rita Jenrette and her husband on the steps of the capitol (that wasn't what got him into trouble, it was the shoe box full of cash she found in the closet). Some of them get caught, most of them don't. I don't make a big deal about it, and while I think he was dumb to get involved with someone like Lewinski (talk about a dame who could blab!) there are other things that are far more serious that politicians do. Like putting as many human lives on the line as Bush has done. Sex is not in the same league as war. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 20 Oct 04 - 09:03 PM He was the President of the United States, and he lied about the stuff with Monica. It has nothing to do with him getting a blowjob from a bimbo. IMO, there were two bimbos involved, and he was the other one. The Oval Office is no place for that kinda shit. And the President has enough Secret Service around to arrange for similar activities in someone else's house. Not in the house that belongs to the American people. Also, SRS, you are entitled to your opinion. Mine is that one cheap cocksucker got his tweeters woofed by another cheap cocksucker. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 04 - 08:30 PM He didn't have a heart attack. Bruce, you could say the same thing about just about anyone else in the world if you stopped to think that most of us are sexual beings. If you choose to get stuck in the rut of the romp with a bimbo, that's your choice, but it's a silly point to judge the man on. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 20 Oct 04 - 07:38 PM Life is life. Stuff happens. However, I will never again be able to see or hear Clinton and not see him with some teenybopper enjoying his cigar. I have great respect for cigars, and he has ruined that pleasure for me. Now when I smell them it isn't for the aroma. And his great line: We did not have sex! Any of you guys wanna try that line on your girlfriends or wives? RIIGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTT. I am sure they'll understand. Go ahead. Almost worked for Billy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Oct 04 - 07:35 PM I don't think it will matter to swing voters. He might help Bush get out his base though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Amos Date: 20 Oct 04 - 07:32 PM INteresting challenge. I hope he does make a difference. He pissed off a lot of people, though. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Rabbi-Sol Date: 20 Oct 04 - 07:16 PM Mr. Red's post reminds me of a joke that was told during Richard Nixon's re-election campaign. The republicans boasted: "You can't lick our Dick". Perhaps we can apply the same joke to Cheney today. SOL ZELLER |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Oct 04 - 05:54 PM After the heart attack, do you think folks will tell him that they feel his pain? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Mr Red Date: 20 Oct 04 - 05:51 PM with her on board will they lick Dubbya? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Peace Date: 20 Oct 04 - 05:39 PM Will Monica be with him? |
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Subject: BS: Bill is Back!! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Oct 04 - 05:32 PM He'll be back campaigning for Kerry on Monday. Do you think he'll make a difference? |
