BS: conspiracy theorists only

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 02:42 PM

Dianavan,

I believe it was Jack Ruby because of his ties to the underworld. I believe that he found some bad apples in the Dallas Police Force to help him out. Oswald had that knowing look when Ruby shot him. He knew he was being set up.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From:
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 12:19 AM

Any body out there seen THE MEN WHO KILLED KENNEDY? It was on cable.

The history channel.All the info is there,more than can be imagined.

I show it at parties. A great conversation starter.

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 11:46 PM

Yo Rap,

And Ruby's motive? Heck, he was a small time crook in the South. If you recall the South wasn't too impressed with the JFK norhteast liberal at the time.

And, yeah, I'd like to see the shots fired thru a scope in that period of time. Heck, I have a scoped rifle and just finding a target thru it takes well over a second. Now yer using a bolt to expell the used cartridge and insert the fresh one, it doesn't take a lot of time but getting yer scope to find a moving target after doing so seems difficult to do in such a limited amount of time...

And, not that this mean anything but I spent a couple years on a shoot club with the NRA as a kid and also qualified as a marksman at my ROTC high school. Figuring the distance, the moving target, the scope, the motives of Ruby, I think there is ample evidence that we need a second look at the story that has been given...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 11:31 PM

Rapaire - I honestly think you are right about some of the names in that conspiracy theory. I do, however, believe that the same guys who got away with JFK's murder, are behind George Bush.

Littlehawk - George is a Patsy? George is a fall guy? I think you may be right about that. That answers my question about why Jeb was overlooked in favour of George. They needed someone who would be easy to dispose of if need be. Someone too dumb to know the difference between right and wrong. Someone so insecure that he would do anything for a little pat on the head. Someone who would "go along" just so he could be one of the guys.

d

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 07:02 PM

People who "have a screw loose" make handy patsys and fall guys for far more cold-blooded and calculating people to toss to the prisons or the executioners after the job is done. They can often be used to play a bit part in the job, then take the whole blame for it. They may have no idea at the time why they are doing what they are doing. They also give the public someone to blame and direct attention away from the real controllers. It's a TV world out there, because you get most of your daily info from the TV and most of it is lies, half-truths, and damned lies. On a TV show you can expect to be provided with: a dramatic problem, a victim, a hero, a villain, and a dramatic resolution at the end of the episode where the villain is "brought to justice" or destroyed. They set everything up in that fashion. The simpler they can make it, the better, because it's easy to communicate a really dead simple idea...such as the simple idea that Iraq had WMD's and was a threat to the World. That idea was ludicrously unreal, but it was simple...simple enough to fool enough Americans in order to "get the job done".

Do you think these guys give a damn about any of the ordinary lives they destroy while playing geopolitics? They do not. They play it like they were playing a computer game, and they play to win, period. They win, the public loses. Oh, and the planet loses, too. Ultimately, in fact, everybody loses.

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 05:51 PM

Dianavan, there was about ZERO security in 1963, especially around Dallas PD headquarters. Jack Ruby was known there, a small-time club owner and crook. When they were moving Oswald it would have been no big deal for Ruby to get near enough to shoot him. Heck, just look at all the reporters that were there!

As for that list of people involved -- John Connally was himself shot and, if memory serves me rightly, he died damned near broke some years later (around the time of Nixon). Hoover disliked Bobby Kennedy and John for appointing Bobby AG, but then he also disliked Johnson (he had "the goods" of all three). To insert von Braun is silly -- he was far more interested in rockets than anything else (always was) and he didn't care who paid him as long as he could shoot them off (and Kennedy's challenge to land on the moon assured him of a good job). Others I know only as names and still others I don't know.

As for the mechanics of the shooting -- Bobert, you know what I did recently. If you want, I'll try to round up a high-power, bolt action, scoped rifle and try it again.

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:57 PM

SRS - with all due respect....how likely is it that two guus had a screw loose and were able to get through all the security.

Thanks, Georgiansilver, I got this from that odd link:

"Al Qaeda (the Base), bin Laden's organization, was established in 1987-88 to run the camps and other business enterprises. It is a tightly-run capitalist holding company — albeit one that integrates the operations of a mercenary force and related logistical services with "legitimate" business operations.

Bin Laden has simply continued to do the job he was asked to do in Afghanistan during the 1980's — fund, feed and train mercenaries. All that has changed is his primary customer. Then it was the ISI and, behind the scenes, the CIA. Today, his services are utilized primarily by the reactionary Taliban regime.

Bin Laden only became a "terrorist" in US eyes when he fell out with the Saudi royal family over its decision to allow more than 540,000 US troops to be stationed on Saudi soil following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait."

It may or may not be true but it sure fits with my world view.

d

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 12:33 PM

Nonsense. Oswald had a screw loose, and if Ruby hadn't ALSO had a screw loose, we'd know a lot more of the story. (Just interjecting the Voice of Reason in this discussion.)

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 11:50 AM

You might be interested in this website.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 10:58 AM

Is it not for nothing that god is dog backwards and that jahover (sorry can't seem to spell that) but never the less, it rhymes with rover?

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:52 PM

Exactly!

...and doesn't this sound like the way Al Qaeda operates?

"To recapitulate, the planning members of the cabal under the direction of LYNDON JOHNSON, were WALTER JENKINS, H.L. HUNT, L.M. BLOOMFIELD, FERENC NAGY, FRED KORTH, JEAN DEMENIL, CARLOS PRIO SOCARRAS, L.J. McWILLIE, JOHN CONNALLY, CLINT MURCHISON, SR., WERNHER VON BRAUN, ROY M. COHN, BOBBY BAKER, CLIFFORD JONES AND J. EDGAR HOOVER as chairman. Of course, there were a number of other wealthy financiers and lower echelon people working on this assignment, most of whom did not know the object of their duties in connection with the assassination plan; some of them did, however. As in all espionage and intelligence work, the large number of employees knew only what they needed to to know in order to carry out their particular assignment and the overall plan was on a "need to know" basis.

d

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:48 PM

Shoot, it just came out last year... My mother-in-law has it but I won't see her 'til next week. If you don't have it by then, which is unlikely, then I'll get it from her...

Might of fact, the night that JFK was murdered there was a big party for Johnson's crooks. They partied all night long while Johnson had to play "presidental"... What a crook. Johnson hated Kennedy because Kennedy represented the intellectual Northeast. Same crap going on today...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:26 PM

I always thought Johnson did it. So glad to hear I'm not the only one who suspected that. I'll try to find the video and start googling. Please give me the name of that book.

Thanks

d

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:15 PM

Shoot, d, there was a great documentary on it on TV just a few months ago... If you getn yer hands on it, you'll get everything you need to know.

And, BTW, Johnson and his crook buddies DID IT!

There's also a book which came out last year. (Oh, Bobert, what was the name of that book?) Danged, I can't put my finger on the name right now but, yeah, Google it and if you will, post what you find.

BTW, Johnson did it...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: Peace
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:12 PM

Incidentally, Dianavan, I would argue with your thread title. IMO, it ain't a theory.

Subject: RE: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: Peace
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 10:53 PM

Google this. It's a place to start.

Dissecting the Bush Administration

Subject: BS: conspiracy theorists only
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 10:49 PM

I know it isn't politically correct to believe conspiracy theories but...I am curious.

Are there any links you can give me that tie JFK's murder to the rise of Texan politicians and multinational corporations? It is looking more and more like those Texan billionaires (Johnson too) might all be in cahoots.

d