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Origin: All for Me Grog

DigiTrad:
ALL THROUGH THE ALE
FAREWELL TO GROG
HERE'S TO THE GROG
OH FOR ME GROG (2)


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In Mudcat MIDIs:
Here's to the Grog (from Peter Kennedy's Folksongs of Britain and Ireland)
The Western Ocean (All For Me Grog) (from Helen Creighton's Songs and Ballads from Nova Scotia)


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Subject: RE: Origin: All for Me Grog
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 09:56 AM

Music Hall version, I very much doubt, but I can understand HC thinking that without knowledge of the earlier version. It is possible to follow the evolution in oral tradition, albeit somewhat sketchy.

Could we have a copy here please of the Charmer version? It seems to be different to the Ramsay version at least in the first line.


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Subject: RE: Origin: All for Me Grog
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 03:30 PM

Thanks, Jon.


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Subject: RE: Origin: All for Me Grog
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 07 Oct 23 - 06:22 PM

Jon,
having looked at the 1749 vol 2 at NLS and the 1765 volume, they have nothing in common, the 1749 containing more earthy pieces, though both printed by Mair. As far as I can see the 1749 doesn't have 'If e'er I do well' unless it's in Vol 1 which I can't see online.


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Subject: RE: Origin: All for Me Grog
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 08 Oct 23 - 04:33 PM

Thanks, Jon.


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Subject: RE: Origin: All for Me Grog
From: GerryM
Date: 22 Sep 23 - 02:32 AM

Way upthread, Sandy Paton wrote,

"I collected a version in Connecticut, which I finally got on tape after the singer had moved to New Hampshire. It was learned from the grandfather of the singer, a man who lived in South Carolina. It's slower, more pensive, and says:

"I spent all I had in cash on the girls to cut a dash,
Now I'm left in this wide world to wander.

"Bruce or Barry may correct me, but this is the only version I know of that has been collected in the U.S. I'd be happy to post the text, if anyone is interested, but I can't do the music thing."

That version never got posted here, so far as I can tell. It can be found in the liner notes for the Patons' LP, New Harmony, which is available on the Smithsonian Folkways website. It goes like this:

I had but one old hat;
The hat it had no crown,
All wore out, tore out, and asunder.
If I cannot buy another,
I will keep this hat I've got;
I will keep this old hat to remember.

Chorus:
It's all gone for grog,
Jolly, jolly grog,
All gone for whiskey and tobacco.
Oh, I spent all I had in cash
On those girls, to cut a dash;
Now I'm left in this wide world to wander.

I had but one old coat;
The coat it had no back,
[Remaining four lines of each stanza as for the first,
only changing hat to coat to shirt to pair/pants
to pair/boots]

[Chorus after each stanza]

I had but one old shirt;
The shirt it had no sleeves,

I had one pair of pants;
The pants they had no knees,

I had one pair of boots;
The boots they had no soles,

[Chorus with last three lines repeated.]


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Subject: RE: Origin: All for Me Grog
From: GerryM
Date: 22 Sep 23 - 03:02 AM

Way upthread, a Maine reworking of an Australian parody was posted:

"Subject: Lyr Add: CONCRETE AND GLASS parody-All for Me Grog
From: GUEST,Roll&Go-C - PM
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 09:35 AM

"In the interests of folk process, I'm adding this anti-urban renewal parody of this fine traditional song, which itself is a reworking of an earlier parody from the Sidney inner city neighborhood of Wooloomooloo, reworked to fit Portland, Maine's waterfront."

Here's the original parody, as published in Warren Fahey's book, The Balls of Bob Menzies.

Oh, my name it is Fred, in Sydney born and bred,
And the inner-city used to be my home, boys
But it's caused my heart to grieve, for I've had to take my leave,
Now across the western suburbs I must roam, boys!

Chorus:

Under concrete and glass, Sydney's disappearing fast;
It's all gone for profit and for plunder;
Though we really want to stay, they keep driving us away,
Now across the western suburbs we must wander.

Where is my house, my little terracehouse?
It's all gone for profit and for plunder;
For the wreckers of the town just came up and knocked it down;
Now across the western suburbs I must wander.

Before I even knew it, we were shifted to Mount Druitt,
And the planners never gave me any say, boys.
Now it really makes me weep, I am just at home to sleep,
For it takes me hours to get to work each day, boys.

What's happened to the pub, our little local pub
Where we used to have a drink when we were dry, boys.
Now we can't get in the door for there's carpet on the floor
And you won't be served a beer without a tie, boys.

Now I'm living in a box in the west suburban blocks
And the place is nearly driving me to tears, boys.
Poorly planned and badly built and it's mortgaged to the hilt
But they say it will be mine in forty years, boys.

Now before the city's wrecked these developers must be checked;
For it's plain to see they do not give a bugger,
And we soon will see the day if these bandits have their way
We will all be driven out past Wagga Wagga.

[Wagga Wagga is a small town five hours drive West of Sydney. Fahey writes, "Written by Denis Kevans and Seamus Gill...published in Australian Tradition magazine in 1973."


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Subject: RE: Origin: All for Me Grog
From: BenTraverse
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 09:56 PM

What led Creighton to think this song was written for music hall performers? Are there any candidates for the "genuine sea song" the chorus supposedly may have come from?

Is there a reason Sharp's manuscript (titled "Here's to My Tin") from 1904 is listed as the earliest date on the Ballad Index? "When I was a young lad" from The Charmer feels close enough that it should at least get a mention. The only real difference is the lack of chorus. It also reads like it was meant for a different melody to me.


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Subject: RE: Origin: All for Me Grog
From: BenTraverse
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 10:43 PM

Looks like the 10th edition of Ramsay's Tea-Table Miscellany (volume 1) includes "If e'er I do well, 'tis a wonder", which pushes the date back to 1740, 9 years before The Charmer! Here it is on archive.org

This publication by S. Powell from 1734, while also being listed as the 10th edition, does not include "If e'er I do well". It was also divided up into three volumes as opposed to the above publishing's four. I also couldn't find this book's volume number. It's entirely possible that the song is in a different volume published sometime between 1734-40, but there's nothing on archive.org.


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