BS: Love Conquers All

Subject: BS: Love Conquers All
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 01:02 PM

Love conquers all

Like the Seinfeld episodes, this screed is about nothing. Its about nothing in particular but everything meaningful in our lives. I call it love conquers all, because it stands for everything good that we wish would come true and the amazing examples of when they do. Feel free to tell us your joyous victory with love on your side. I can only serve to spread joy and hope.

I don't know if love is the equal opposite of hate but I would certainly hope not. I do know that it would be cynical in the extreme to argue against love conquering all. I'm betting love has an edge. Certainly in history and in my lifetime I have seen ongoing hate swing for the fences and get a home run now and then.

What still strikes me funny is that a hateful person rarely knows they are hateful. Like truly crazy people, they don't think they are crazy. They think they are morally great or more aware than everyone else. Like some kind of ultimate sports competition, the hate team says that love is a fantasyland and the reality is war. Love says we create human reality. History shows us time and again that hate will make them fall, and that love will conquer all. '

Today is day two of the great Haitian earthquake and a great worldwide outpouring of love is headed to the epicenter of stark human suffering and unmitigated agonizing pain. On the other hand we are warned of those who would take personal advantage of this disaster by making phony charities.. One person who has taken advantage repeatedly is Pat Robertson. He says the Haitian Earthquake is God's revenge on the Haitian slaves who revolted in 1791 and won their freedom but worshipped the devil. I guess it makes sense to him since he has a record of blaming disasters like hurricanes on God's revenge against gay people.

I don't think disasters are God's will. Insurance companies are happy to think so. You see they all have a contractual clause that says they don't have to pay you if the accident was God's will. The fancy term for this is Force Major. So officially for AIG and every other insurance company in the world, Haiti won't get a dime of insurance benefits since an earthquake is God's will.

Insurance companies have more authority of what is and what is not God's will than all the leaders of every religion on Earth. Faith is faith but God's will is exclusively for huge insurance company profits, and Insurance companies love their Godly scam. Of course God's will is usurped for religious wars as well.

I think its time for a change. I think insurance companies put up and shut up about blaming God. While there is an outpouring of love and support for disaster victims, insurance companies need to be put on the spot. Word has to get out!

Maybe our attempt to do so will only amount to a moral victory. All we can ever hope for is some small measure of good to done. A website? A blog? A full page ad? However these things are done are the domain of those who are good at it. All I am is a signpost saying "Love conquers all."

Subject: RE: BS: Love Conquers All
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 01:20 PM

Pat Robertson is a sick man; he doesn't know it.

'And you know Christy, something happened a long time ago in Haiti and people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heel of the French, uh you know Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said we will serve you if you'll get us free from the French. True Story, and so the Devil said OK it's a deal. And they kicked the French out. You know, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since they've been cursed by one thing after the other desperately poor. That island is Hispaniola is one island. It's cut down the middle. On one side is Haiti on the other side is the Dominican republic. Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etc.. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island." Pat Robertson, as shown on video.

'It is of course morally despicable for Robertson to blame a horrific earthquake on the supposed misdeeds of the distant ancestors of the current victims! But then, he blamed the September 11 atrocity on the United States, as well. I have nothing against evangelicals in general, and I know that televangelists are peculiar in typically not being under any church authority and so they can hold very strange views. But the Robertson type of evangelicalism strikes me as a social pathology that is actively evil and damaging to rational ethical thinking in our republic.

"So what in the world is Pat Robertson talking about? Presumably he is referring to the Haitian Revolution of the 1790s through independence in 1804. The latter part of the revolution was against Napoleon Bonaparte, not against his nephew Napoleon III (r. as emperor 1852-1870). So Robertson was off by a mere 50 or 60 years.

"As Charles Tilly pointed out, all revolutions are multiple revolutions. The Rights of Man were declared by the French Convention in 1789. Thomas Jefferson and other US Founding Fathers were delighted about this, by the way. Initially it was the mixed-race free mulattoes who agitated to have the Rights of Man applied to them in Haiti. But then slave revolts broke out and by 1794 the French legislature had abolished slavery in French overseas territories. So you had urbane, French-speaking free persons of color demanding inclusion in the new liberties proclaimed by the French Republic. But you also had slave revolts, in which newly-arrived slaves from West Africa (places such as what is now Benin) participated--though the organization was probably supplied by longer-established slaves. The newly-arrived slaves had after all been free Africans not so long ago. Despite the efforts of French orders such as the Dominicans and Capuchins, many slaves had still not become Christians or wore their Christianity very lightly. Some proportion of the slaves was Muslim, and some historians have suggested that previous slave revolts were led by Muslims. Over time, Muslim Africans were forcibly converted to Catholicism.

So some of the slave revolts invoked African religion against white French colonial power. What many now call voodoo or voudoun is a Haitian version of religious traditions roughly from what is now Benin, Togo, Nigeria and the Congo. The word just means spirit. The African slave religious traditions were expressed in Creole or Kreyole, based on Kwa dialects but incorporating elements of French.

One of the [pdf, p. 223] first major events of the Haitian revolution unfolded thusly: "In 1791 Boukman Dutty, a Vodou priest and one of the leaders of the first wave of slave uprisings in the North of Haiti, led a ceremony in the now-famous Bois-Caïman that launched the revolution and inspired slave revolutionaries to begin destroying plantations." The ceremony allegedly involved the sacrifice of a pig and use of pig blood and a sermon that invoked the good God of African religion to give the slaves liberty and condemned the evil God of the white slave-owners. It has been argued that this event has been mythologized in subsequent Haitian history-writing.'

And more

Subject: RE: BS: Love Conquers All
From: olddude
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 01:43 PM

for me Robertson is as far from Christian values as one can get. He doesn't get it and never will. One time I watched him at a chalk board with a bible in one hand going over some investment figures. It went like this " if you give me 100 dollars" your return according to the bible will be 1000 .. try that in the stock market.

He is creep who only cares about himself, even worse he uses faith as a weapon ... disgusting I think and I pull no punches on him or those who are like him ... it is nothing about faith, it is about greed and hate hiding in a term "faith". he will never get it and shame on those who think he does get it for they are completely mislead I think

Subject: RE: BS: Love Conquers All
From: olddude
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 01:52 PM

the problem with these guys is they are the only ones that have the money to make their own "faith" TV which is really anti-faith TV. Because all good people of faith are using their funds to try and help people like the victims of Haiti.   You never see a TV show on the salvation army.. Those guys are always using their dollars to feed some homeless person or running to some disaster with aid ...

Remember when he said the CIA should take out that south American leader that would go off on GW ...

He is a creep squared ... along with many other TV preachers ...IMO

I guess he never read the passage in the bible that said "this is my fathers house and you turned it into a den of thieves"

Subject: RE: BS: Love Conquers All
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 01:54 PM

I don't think disasters are God's will. Insurance companies are happy to think so. You see they all have a contractual clause that says they don't have to pay you if the accident was God's will. The fancy term for this is Force Major. So officially for AIG and every other insurance company in the world, Haiti won't get a dime of insurance benefits since an earthquake is God's will.

AIG should not have the power to decide God's will.
They should pay up....we did to bail them out!

Subject: RE: BS: Love Conquers All
From: olddude
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 02:04 PM

Could not agree with you more my friend ... corporate greed sustained by the American taxpayer ... a disgrace

Subject: RE: BS: Love Conquers All
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 02:08 PM

Long ago was actively recruited by the CIA. One of the three people who contacted me face to face was most insistent and narcissitic. He said "If you don't go along and hand over all your techniques and scripts you'll end up taking the low road to failure instead of taking the high road like me".

Yes they did make sure I suffered for refusing thier offer.
Still I am surprised how much they jealously guarded the open secret that hypnotising the public was half of their job.


The price for owning your own soul is high, but choosing who you will serve is priceless.

I don't know if that guy, who was younger than me, is still alive or not. But its not about longevity. Its about freedom and doing the right thing.

There is one thing that young agent was right about. I am a failure, by every parameter that he would use to measure success.

Subject: RE: BS: Love Conquers All
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 02:15 PM

A favorite tune "Without love where would you be now?"

Subject: RE: BS: Love Conquers All
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 05:01 PM

Lucky for us you turned them down, Donuel!

A couple of things: I am being treated for depression. There are days when I am not sure I have the energy/focus to have my six year old grandson over after school. Today, for instance, but I told him to come when he called and figured I'd "get it together." He and I have a special bond of Love.

He came, we had lunch, then I remembered I had put a small fast food cup of root beer in the freezer for him as he didn't come the day before when I thought he would to drink it. It was a surprise to him.

Well, we got it out, I started chipping away at a sold block of root beer ice and we spent the next 50 minutes eating it in small chunks, then larger, laughing and having so much fun. He told me how we could make some money by making root beer ice cubes and selling them to other kids and how he has popsicle molds at home so he could make us each root beer popsicles. At one point, he kind of kicked back in his chair and said, "Ah, this is the life!" Pure love and voila! depression was in the far distance.

The other thing is, I've posted links to this before, but it bears re-reading, imo AND puts Robertson and his ilk in the dirt, read what Woody Says About Love in "My Secret."

Subject: RE: BS: Love Conquers All
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 07:49 PM

People try light therapy regarding depression but a dog works best when plain ol lonliness is the real cause.
Hollywood stars take expensive pills, drink expensive booze and die.
I take pills that incidentaly help mood. I never tried any of the antidepressants like Zoloft, Soma, Pacifex, Numnuts, Comatrin or Putricil or whatever they are called. I take lots of Niacin. It perks me up and raises the good cholestoral. Vit. B1 has reverse Alheimers in rats. Lots of vitamin D and D3 and a mutiple vitamin. Ginseng supplements add a bit of robust mood. Depending on your chemistry some synthetic opiates like Fukitall are highly energizing while not messing with your serotonin levels like antidepressants. For others it just makes them woggy. I don't take St.Johns Wort but there are claims it works. I just don't like the Word Wort.

Watching cable news is a downer like having a 50 sq foot painting of Vietnamese children on fire in your living room. Watching my son play Little Big Planet is amazing primarily because the games are made by him and another 1.1 million surrealistic game levels made by all the players.

Here is a dinner time pick me up.
We play a game with the kids by inventing new foods. The first one is to name any food then add "on a stick" at the end. Or The sneezing chef presenting Artichoke heart Pizza a' la CHOOO. Then new recipes like adding metamucil to hamburger to make Fiberger. Coca Coffee, Dr. Ripper fart enhancer... any kind of popcorn as quick as you can... Cinnamon popcorn. Name a Chocolate anything, Garlic flavored anything. Funny toppings should include drugs advertised on TV with all thier side effects.

Or "Its time to play Celebrity Endorsments!!!"

Food quizes Name the 10 condiments Moses served in tablets.

Playing political seasoning and sauces can be fun. "This is Fred Thomson and my favorite is spaghetti with sea bond sauce and Obamaballs.

Wink Wink this is Sarah Palin for Sarah Palin's pizza paste on a stick. You can get all mavericky and dip your Palin Pizza paste stick in cheese or pupperonis or just suck it raw, wink wink.

Hello this is Harry Reed speaking for milk toast, a tangy treat that can't be beat for its light complextion without a trace of Negro dialect.

This is Gordon Libby for Progressive Catsup. Just spill it on your plate and imagine that its the blood of liberal scum that sucked the freedom out of our country and eat it!

This is Dick Cheney for the Dick Cheney Grill. You can grill anything anytime and anyone with this grill, I guarantee it, or I'll shoot you in the face.

So as you see we verbally play with our food as a rule.

Incidently we call root beer popsicles "Frozen poop on a stick.
Yep poop never fails. This is Rush Limbaugh and have I got a treat for you. It is my famous Limbaugh Poop Sauce. Thats right just dribble it on anything and you can make it stink to high heaven. Try it on facts, your librul commie neighbors car, in an elevator full of feminazis. DOn;t accept imitations, Buy only authentic Limbaugh poop sauce.


Hmmm, maybe I better cut back on the Niacin.

Subject: RE: BS: Love Conquers All
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 10 - 10:25 PM

-Happy new year 2077 Guardian city three - blared from the lower monitor picturing nearly a hundred revelers jumping up and down, as Kevin was booting a blogoggel connection with his sweetheart from GC2.
"happy new year Kat, can you believe we have been together 4 years already?" Kat stroked Kevin's head holographicly as seen with her 3D goggles, Kevin murmurs "mmm".

Kat McLaughlin was matched with Kevin via Guardian City intimate connection protocols. It is the most comprehensive soul matching program that combines genome compatibility while eliminating dangerous alleals.

Kat blogoggled from Guardian City 2 a mere 1,200 miles away "You know what this means Kevin, our procreation transfer can be processed soon."

"I know, said Kev, after gamete scanning is finished it is only a matter of months for our reinplanting to deliver our ideal baby"

Kat interrupts "I know sweetie but you know how long it takes to scan 3 or 4 million sperm for the perfect match. I just feel glad that our baby will have photosyntetic symbiosis from birth instead of having to wait like I did."

I hope he is the bluest of green instead of my lime green photo syms.
Do you suppose we will ever meet face to face?

"Kev, don't even joke, do you want to get us both listed?"

"No no I was just hoping that someday there will be a break through in goggling that might include tactile data."

"Don't be silly, isn't it enough to be chosen out of 20,000 fertile couples to have PD transfer?"

"I know, everone knows, Virtual Independent Parents always do best."Kevin says sarcasticly, "But somtimes I dream that we might someday meet and when I do I.."

"Kevin Bogsly, stop it right now, everyone knows that the virtual beats reality everyday in every way, besides safety first."

"Yes Honey safety first, and happy new year again" Kevin leans forward for one last holographic kiss but Kat has already slipped off her goggles and blows him a kiss "By bye, see you tommorrow"

Just then the upper monitor chimes in "time for your green suppiments Kevin"