BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it

Subject: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 07:19 PM

A member on the Help forum wanted a clearly-titled thread to do with conspiracy theories so that he/she doesn't open them by mistake. Here is the thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: pdq
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 07:28 PM

That makes opening this 'conspiracy thread' a conspiracy!

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 07:32 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 07:40 PM

Obviously, this is a conspiracy between Canada. Obviously, Albertan troops will be marching across the Idaho border any day now and nothing much between them and the Grand Canyon except Idaho and Utah*!

Yes, the Idaho Legion will fight these aggressors, but with more and more Canadian beer available here effective resistance is problematic at best! The availibility of Moosehead and Labatt's and the rest is just another conspiracy, one to cripple the Legion!











*Of course, this includes the Naval base up in Northern Idaho, Mountain Home AFB, Gower Field, Hill AFB, Tooele Army Depot, and a slew of combat-experienced NG and Reserve outfits, but NOBODY can outfight, outdrink, outcuss, outdance, outlove, or outlie the Idaho Legion!

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: GUEST,:::
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 07:55 PM

Coeur d'Alene, Idaho will be one hot potatoe of a Naval Base to circumnavagate. I think they got the Kanuks whipped there.

Sincerely,
:::

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: bobad
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 07:57 PM

Is that you Dan?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 08:14 PM

Gotcha! Okay, aside from the looming Canadian invasion of Idaho, the even more looming Liechtensteinian invasion of the world (in stages), the government coverup of 911, the government coverup of contact with extraterrestrials, the real story on who killed JFK, RFK, and Martin Luther King, and the real story on why we invaded Aghanistan and Kuwait, and the real story on Iran.....

Whaddya got?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: RangerSteve
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 08:46 PM

Conspiray Theory: There is really no such person as Little Hawk. He is actually a committee of people who think up ideas for threads on Mudcat that are intended to keep us entertained and thereby too busy to notice when Canada invades the U.S., after which Great Britain and Australia will also be invaded. They've sent us actors and hockey players, and now their donut shops are in Maine. This is a very slow invasion, but we're too complacent to even notice that.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: bobad
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:06 PM

"There is really no such person as Little Hawk"

Aliens walk among us.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:20 PM

Don't pay any attention to those wild theories emanating from RangerSteve. He is a card-carrying agent of the State Department's Disinformation Bureau of False Rumors and Nasty Accusations (DBFRNA). Nothing he says is true. He is in the pay of Kissinger and Cheney.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: GUEST, conspiracy arrow
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:40 PM

I've tried to direct GUEST,clover, who is jousting with Bill D., here, but my linkless effort has been unsuccessful.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:48 PM

Actually, there is no conspiracy. None. Nope. Doesn't exist. Nada. Zip. Zero. I promise you that there is no conspiracy, and all others agree. So forget about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:08 AM

Curiouser and curiouser.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:11 AM

Both this and the above link are YOUTUBE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s&mode=related&search= Early reports of Bldg 7 collapse.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:19 AM

Odds and Sods.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:14 AM

Good on you, brother. But they don't want to know. Some smartass will no doubt post a link to the twilight zone music any time now. Another will mention tinfoil hats. Sheep do not want to be disturbed while they're grazing.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:49 AM

"Actually, there is no conspiracy"


Ooooo, I like that - can I join in your conspiracy (that there IS no conspiracy!) Rapaire?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Alec
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:15 AM

Surely contributions to this thread ought to be posted in Illuminati TTF? (available from Da Font.com,amongst others)
JFK was killed by a lone gunman called Lee Harvey Oswald, but don't tell anyone, it's supposed to be a secret.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:26 AM

There ya go:http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/
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Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: GUEST,Lets Beavenue
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 06:03 AM

Current UK discussion about the lies being fed and swallowed about 9/11.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: 3refs
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 07:50 AM

"Conspiray Theory: There is really no such person as Little Hawk. He is actually a committee of people who think up ideas for threads on Mudcat that are intended to keep us entertained and thereby too busy to notice when Canada invades the U.S., after which Great Britain and Australia will also be invaded. They've sent us actors and hockey players, and now their donut shops are in Maine. This is a very slow invasion, but we're too complacent to even notice that."

"Don't pay any attention to those wild theories emanating from RangerSteve. He is a card-carrying agent of the State Department's Disinformation Bureau of False Rumors and Nasty Accusations (DBFRNA). Nothing he says is true. He is in the pay of Kissinger and Cheney."

I always figured there was something about Little Hawk. Canada's answer to the Bohemian Grove.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: bubblyrat
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:16 AM

I clicked on to Peace"s "Curiouser & Curiouser" posting, and watched the "conspiracy " video. I have to say that I can give no credence to a bunch of people who can"t even spell relatively simple words, and who don"t know how to use an apostrophe where the necessity of its use is clearly obvious. The lesson is clear----If you want convince people of your sincerity,then use proper,grammatical English, or don"t bother !!

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: RangerSteve
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:58 AM

As any conspiracy theorist will tell you, when someone denies something, it's because they have something to hide. LH's denial of my accusation, accompanied by accusations against me are proof that I was right. None of this, of course, applies to me, because I said so.

Actually, I got my first disability check from the government a few weeks ago, retroactive to last November. It should have been only to December, so maybe the extra month was a payment from Cheney and Kissinger added on to disguise it. I may be in their pay without knowing it. I'll check, and if that's the case, you can be sure I'll return the extra money.

Come to think of it, maybe that extra money was from Little Hawk, (or, rather, the committee hiding behind the name "Little Hawk"), and they're trying to set me up. Forget it, "LH", whoever you are. I'm keeping the money, but I son't be your dupe.

Ranger Steve, acting entirely on his own.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:12 AM

Yeah, sure, "acting entirely on his own." Right. These days nobody is capable of acting entirely on his or her own, even if they could act entirely on their own if they wanted to, which they don't or can't (because of the fluoride in the water and the chemicals that are constantly being sprayed into the sky to kill the flu virii brought here by comets).

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:39 AM

Peace, thanks for the links. All it does is prove that the storytellers are hypocrits. If you ever spent time in a newsroom you would realize how absurd these new theories are. These people are grasping at fluff because they can't find any evidence to back up their fanciful claims. The eyewitnessed was planted? The filmaker asks - "Who talks like that?"   Well, they do! They question how an "expert" could have known how the building collapsed so quickly and ignore the reason why the person was a guest - he knew building construction and he clearly gave a "theory" as to what occured.

I sincerely doubt these filmmakers did any fact checking - interviewing the reporter, camera crew or witness - and simply relied on making up crap as if it were fact. That is bullshit journalism and we take shots at Fox News and other organizations for trying to do that. Shame on the filmmaker who resorts to the same tactic. Hypocrite.

For a "story" to be planted in the way these filmakers are suggesting would require a conspiracy of dozens of people in the organization, and you can be sure there is always a whistleblower who would love to uncover such a plot.

IF such a story were planted, do you really think they would make such an obvious blunder as to showing the building they are reporting demolished?   Chalk that one up to misinformation - which, if you choose to remember, was rampant that day. There were news reports of 15 planes hijacked, explosions all over DC, manhole covers being blown off, shots fired, etc. The sad part of journalism that day was that nothing was being checked and everything was being fed to the public. WTC7 was discussed as being in danger of imminent collapse most of that day - it was not a surprise when it fell.

It is easy to say that people like myself do not buy these conspiracy theories and follow the official party line - but that is a cop out. In reality, the conspiracy theory followers are simply frustrated that people cannot buy their convulted and fantasy filled theories without a shred of evidence. Giving circumstantial ramblings about what a witness saw or did not see serves no purpose. It is just guessing.

It would be easy to discard reality and accept these conspiracy theories as the truth.    The only conspiracy that I feel exists is that the adminstration planted many of these ideas themselves, throwing off public away from the real story - why were we so inept that we did not heed the warnings and let this happen?   Our government failed us.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:41 AM

You may or may not be right, Ron, but Silversteins remark is a tough one for people to handle. "The little snippet where he says, "pull the building [bldg 7]."

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:46 AM

It is hard to handle because people do not want to accept it for what it was. "Pull" the building sounds like a man who just gave up any hope of saving the building. We are all human and say the wrong thing sometimes - making a statement that could be interpreted the wrong way. IF this man truly had a plot in place, I think he would have been very careful about what he was saying. As it came out, I think we just saw a human being talking with the emotion of the moment.

IF this were a plot, the evidence would be obvious. It is not. IF this were a plot, it would require a large group of people to pull it off.   SOMEONE would talk or a smoking gun would be found. Nothing that I've read or seen from these theorists make any sense or have any credible weight behind it. It seems that they are just selling books and DVD's.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:51 AM

OK. So you don't want this thread. Alright with me.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:07 AM

I never said I do not want this thread. IF someone can come up with convincing evidence, I will be more than happy to say I was wrong.

Theorists should keep digging, but they should not resort to tactics that are hypocritical. To use hyperbole and scare tactics is the domain of the spin doctors. These conspirists are preying on people who need an easy answer and love the smell of a good mystery. This is the stuff of great fiction, and if they can hang on to the idea that it might be real - then it opens up doors for all the other fantasies.   That is what makes science fiction so popular.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:52 AM

Another page which might be interesting

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:57 AM

Even better...with pictures

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:01 AM

well, gee, if you have EXTRA time, skim thru this It might be the best yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:09 AM

...and if you bothered to read ALL the way to the bottom of that one, you'd find a link to the BBC explanation of what was involved in that 'early' report!

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:30 PM

Some people are saying that Hedge funds owned by billionaires are expempt from FTC guidlines.

SOme people say that defense contractors and the military actually collude on weapon projects.

Some people say the media may not be fair and balance.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:06 PM

No evidence is ever convincing to people who don't want to be convinced. ;-) I've noticed that time and again in my life. People are subjective creatures with very shaky egos to defend, big mouths, and little regard for objectivity or fairness. Their opinions usually aren't worth a flyspeck. Their knowledge of the subject being discussed is generally pitiful, and their pretensions are grandiose.

Yes, RangerSteve, I do have something to hide, but it's not what you think. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:20 PM

"No evidence is ever convincing to people who don't want to be convinced. ;-) "

What a copout. You try to belittle people who read the evidence and come to a conclusion that is different than yours. Shame on you. You resort to shoddy tactics when you can't prove your point.

Failure to convince people does not entitle you to a sense of superiority.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: jeffp
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:32 PM

He could be talking about himself, Ron.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:36 PM

Interesting that any mention of conspiracy has people slagging each other within ten posts. Be nice. This ain't the corner bar. Use some fuckin' manners.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:49 PM

"If we reported the building had collapsed before it had done so, it would have been an error - no more than that." from the bbc link.

How in the world do you claim that a building has collapsed when, in fact, it hasn't? Why would anyone even think that it was going to collapse? Why that building, specifically?

It still makes no sense to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:55 PM

They reported it because everyone knew it was in danger of collapse - it was a matter of time.

I'm amazed - everyone always complains that television news screws up and gets the facts wrong. Then when an obvious error is discovered, people are in disbelief that they could make a mistake. It still makes no sense to me.

Spend 15 minutes in a newsroom and you would be amazed at how easy it is to screw something up.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: RangerSteve
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:47 PM

LH - I'm not thinking about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 06:14 PM

The BBC news folks were getting (in their own words) "very, very sketchy" reports...at some point they heard 'something' about 'collapse' of WTC7, which was actually only predicting collapse, and misunderstood. They made a natural mistake. The woman reporter didn't have a map....she was just juggling little bits of information. There was nothing sinister about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: GUEST,9q4ruj f j pvu u
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:24 PM

The biggest conspiracy theory out there is that 19 men with boxcutters and failing grades in flight school got NORAD to stand down on 9/11 and then trick-flew jets into 75% of their targets. TRY to make up a more outrageous story than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:53 PM

WELL said.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:10 PM

Maybe I wasn't talking about you, Ron, but just about the human race in general. You have chosen to take it personally. I have noticed that people are set in their ways, okay?, and that includes their basic beliefs. You, however, may be an exception. Not for me to say.

What I am saying is that most people have an absolutely tremendous resistance to new ideas (if those new ideas aren't presented to them by Big Brother on every mainstream news outlet), and every pioneering scientist and radical new thinker in history has been well aware of that. Galileo, for instance...

It works this way: Someone comes up with a radical new idea that is in conflict with the ideas embraced by the ruling establishment of the day. First people great it with skepticism, laughter, and ridicule. Next....if the person with the new idea will not give up and go away, and specially if he begins to change a few people's minds...the laughter and ridicule then turn to insults and threats. Finally, if the society is a primitive enough one, the guy with the new idea is tortured into recanting or he is publicly executed, and everything goes back to "normal" for awhile, and most people are quite happy that that dangerous thinker has been dealt with and shut up.

Do you disagree that this is what has happened to a lot of radical thinkers in history who came out with an unconventional idea?

Now...some of them were wrong...but a good many of them were right, as we now know.

If a German citizen had said openly to other Germans, in 1939, that the Nazis were responsible for the war, that they were planning to murder Jews and other people wholesale and that they had already murdered quite a few people, and that they were betraying the very country they imagined they were serving.....what do you think most Germans would have said about that person? Would they have believed him? Certainly not.

I am saying that elements in the USA administration were probably deeply involved in planning 911 in some way, that they arranged it or helped to arrange it, possibly in concert with genuine Islamic terrorists attackers who may not have even realized they were being used as pawns by the neocons...and that they did it in order to:

1. Have a "Peal Harbor" type incident that would make Americans willing to go to war pre-emptively against countries which had NOT attacked the USA.

2. Invade Afghanistan, which they very much wanted to do anyway, in order to build oil pipelines through there from the Caspian region.

3. Next invade Iraq.

4. Nest invade Iran.

5. Next invade Syria.

6. Plus get rid of 2 white elephant buildings which were losing money and cash in on insurance claims.

7. Plus make a bloody fortune for their best buddies short selling airline stock before the disaster.

None of that pre-emptive war stuff could be done without first providing a massive and very visual provocation that would absolutely infuriate the American public and make them turn a blind eye to their government committing the most blatant large power aggression against small countries since Hitler attacked Poland and Norway and the Low Countries in 1939 and 1940. The provocation was provided.

I don't believe it was done just by a bunch of Muslim terrorists, and I don't believe that the airplanes alone brought those buildings down, and I most of all don't believe that building # 7 came down due to collateral damage. I think it was taken out by demolition charges, as were the others. Look at the way the fell, for God's sake. Have any other modern buildings fallen that way, right into their own footprint, which were NOT brought down by carefully placed demolition charges?

I have plenty of good reason to think so, just like you have plenty of good reason to think not. It's just a question of which aspects of the evidence you want to apply your powers of logic too...and it works this way: People who want a given conclusion sift through evidence, but they do it with an emotional bias...that emotional bias accepts certain evidence as "important" and discounts other evidence as "inconsequential". It interprets according to its bias.

Everyone does that. You do it. I do it. The thing is, though, I initially believed the official version of 911. Why? Well, it was all I had to go on. Naturally I believed it. Why wouldn't I when it was the only info generally available? I later found out a lot of other stuff, and I started not to believe it anymore.

Lack of respect for others' viewpoints goes both ways on this one, Ron.

The government's version of 911 IS a conspiracy theory...and one that I am not too impressed with, to say the least. I think they did it themselves...with a little help from the outside on the part of some Muslim fanatics? Yeah, probably, but they still did it themselves anyway, and for their own gain. Osama Bin Laden was just what the Neocon doctors ordered. He was perfect for their plans. Same deal for Saddam and the Taliban. Now they are joyfully grooming Ahmadinejad for the next official "maniacal bad guy", and praying that he will say something nasty that they can quote again and again on CNN and Fox, and rubbing their hands with glee whenever he does. Now a lot more than 3,000 people have died, and a lot more are on the way. And what for? The neocon agenda. Control the Mideast and Caspian oil. Terrorize any opposition through massive military power. Control the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:52 PM

Hold on, you are way out of line. You get respect when you earn it. You, my friend, have not earned any. Your stance and attacks on those of us who disagree with you comes from the same dark place that you rebel against.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but it does not make you correct. If you have serious evidence and data to share, I am open to discussion and willing to change my mind. NOTHING that has been presented by you or anyone else on this website has been compelling enough to make me re-think the obvious.   

No one is denying that radical thoughts change the world. I don't think I could name one positive "conservative" revolution in the history of the world. My role models have been the individuals who put themselves on the line for their cause - so don't lecture me about "radical thinkers".

Your rambling discourse seems to be saying that your indignation about the war justifies believing in conspiracy theories. I might be wrong in that interpretation but I honestly had difficulty following your lines of thought in that last posting.

The war is wrong, and yes they jumped on the opportunity that was handed to them.

Just two points - the buildings were not "white elephants" and I have watched numerous videos of #7. I do not see a comparision to a controlled demoltion as you and others claim. It is not that I don't want to see it - it is just that it differs signficantly from all videos of controlled demolition that I've ever seen.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:06 PM

Jayzuuuzz H. ..... all the threads here in the Cat are starting to look, read, the same .... again, and again ... the same verbiage, the same rhetoric, the same arguments, the same characters (LH always bringing in the Nazi's into play) .... over, over, and over again.

Hmmmm ... think I'll go dig out that old DC5 45.

Hey guys ... winter is almost over.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:14 PM

Some people say that TV evangelists are in it for the money!?

'If I had a hammer' - if sung by Ted Haggard, written by donuel

If I had a hammer
I'd hammer on the gays and queers
If I had a second chance
all over this land
I'd preach about Satan
I'd preach about gay ay sin
I'd preach about hate between the faithful and the sinners
all all over this land.

If I had an ego
I'd brag about it endlessly
If I had a book to sell
all over this land.
I'd spew out blind faith
I'd spew out God's design
I'd spew out evolution is the devil's institution
all all over this land

If I had an hour show
I'd ask for viewers last dollar
If I were on TV
all over this land
God needs all your rent checks
God needs all your savings
I'd tell them that all they give would come back twice as needed.
all all in the name of God.
-but sign the check to Haggard-
all all over this laaaaaand.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:14 PM

Thank you Don. Well done.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:21 PM

Yes, thanks Don.

Much better than that DC5 45.

I said ... over, and a over, and a over again....