BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...

Subject: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: GUEST,Morganstern
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 08:35 PM

...telepathy, psychic healing, the "hollow Earth" theory, ghosts, an immortal soul, "laying on of hands" healing, the power of prayer, reincarnation, transubstantiation, hypnotic regression, past lives, multiple universes, faster-than-light travel, Lemuria, shape-shifting, lycanthropy, the akashic records, secret masters in Tibet, out-of-body experiences, chimpanzees that talk and write books in 7 languages, after death schools for the soul, multiple levels of spiritual existence, magnetic therapy, the "Greys", alien abductions of Earthlings, the "Philadelphia" incident, the back engineering of alien technologies from downed spacecraft, the Bilderberger group, the Fountain of Youth, the book of Mormon, hamster replication, lucky charms, and astrology?

Do you? Or don't you? Are you a believer? Or are you a sceptic?

Fight about it all here on this one thread henceforth, and save precious bandwidth... ;-))

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Peace
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 08:40 PM

No thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 09:26 PM

"the book of Mormon"

Scientology is better fiction....

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 09:30 PM

Altantis???? Matbe, mabe not...

UFO's???? Definately seein' as I have seen one... (No, I didn't get carried off in it fir a few laps around Earth...)

God???? Definately... Haven't seen Him but seen what He has done in my life... No other plausable explanation... And with my knowldge of Him I see His workings more and more very day...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: GUEST,Morganstern
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 09:38 PM

I wagered the guys in the bar that Clinton Hammond would be on this thread within the first three posts, about as quick as a coon hound is on a rotting cadaver. I win! Thank you, Clinton, thank you!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: bobad
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 09:41 PM

Interesting article on scientology in Rolling Stone mag.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology?rnd=1142130986625&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.872

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 09:58 PM

Faster-than-light travel? Having just seen a science documentary in which a couple of heavy-duty physicists explain how it may be possible, circumventing rather than contradicting Einstein. Rapidly rotating mass warping space in its vicinity and producing gravity waves that could envelope a star ship and whup it along rather briskly, even FTL (Star Trek anyone?). The way it was explained, the physics is there, but the engineering problems are a bitch! Remains to be seen.

Multiple universes. Just reading a book by theoretical physicist Michio Kaku in which he says that it's very likely. Parallel Worlds : A Journey Through Creation, Higher Dimensions, and the Future of the Cosmos. Mind boggling. A function of string theory. Multiple universes, parallel universes, multiple (up to eleven) dimensions. Very likely.

Gotta think some more about a lot of the others. Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 10:33 PM

All of them! Yes! And lots more you didn't mention! Spontaneous human combustion! Tir na nOg! After death experience! Transubstansiation! Virgin Birth! Ragnarok! Odin! Angus! Balor! The Grey Lensman! Appartants! Doppelgangers! PR flacks! Hell, I even believe that there was once an honest politician!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 10:39 PM

"I wagered the guys in the bar"

So you can put that with the quarters you get from sucking them off in the mens room, and maybe one day buy yourself a clue

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: GUEST,Morganstern
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 10:48 PM

You've got me mixed up with your sister, Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: GUEST,Bill D
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 10:54 PM

♫ "I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows..."♫

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 10:55 PM

Nope... don't have a sister....

Nice try... But becareful.... things as old as THAT 'comeback' get brittle....

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Peace
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 11:03 PM

♫Be bop a lula...♫

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Peace
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 11:05 PM

COPYCAT POST

RE: BS: Do you believe in CEOs, Cod, Atlantic...

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 11:16 PM

No, I can't say that I believe in the Atlantic. That's just too much to swallow.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 11:32 PM

And the whole concept of Cod seems a little fishy to me.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: GUEST,Wally
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 11:34 PM

It's hamster replication that really intrigues me. It could explain a lot that's happened in the past century or two.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 11:36 PM

I dunno, but one thing I don't believe is that bandwidth is so frigging precious that we need to worry about wasting a bit of it if people feel inclined toward starting separate threads on some of the various subjects mentioned.

What happened? Did all the bandwidth wells in Nebraska suddenly run dry? Or did the bandwidth mines in North Dakota get mined out? Do we need to start a campaign to have bandwidth declared an endangered species so people who waste it can be arrested? Should we be sporting bumper stickers that say "Fuck the Whales! Save the Bandwidth!"

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Kaleea
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 01:32 AM

Geez, guest, all those normal, everyday things? I suppose that the next thing you'll be telling us is that Elvis isn't alive!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 02:16 AM

Elvis Costello IS alive.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: *daylia*
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 06:29 AM

I don't 'believe in' a *blessed* thing these days. Except maybe for Potholes.

Just consider Wolfgang, myself, Pied Piper....and even Clinton...as potholes to negotiate as you drive ...

I have unshakeable faith in the Mudcat Pothole Gallery!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: GUEST,WYS
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 06:59 AM

I believe in ALL of them, but I follow ONE of them.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 08:23 AM

I'm glad you said that, Bee-Dubya-Ell, before me.

I believe in Dolphin Boy.
My mind's eye, play toy.
Everyday he brings me joy,
Eating fish made of soy.
♫♫♫

Actually, I also believe in a lot more, for instance look up my thread on God is an alien.

Peace. Rustic
P.S. I knew Clinton would hit this one too!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: skarpi
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 08:27 AM

Halló all, good saying Susan

"I believe in ALL of them, but I follow ONE of them."

there are other liveforms around us , it´s in my house
I can´t sleep becouse of it :>( somtimes ) but they are not bad
I just have to learn to live around and with them .

Alians? we are alians, and there are others out there some where
I have a question , why are always US goverment trying to avoid
people who has seen those things? what is so inportant to hide from us ?
do they have somethings from the alians or an alian ? what can´t
we know ?
There are people out there who has things and won´t talk about them
becouse noone would believe them , and I am among those people
havings these for my self is inportant exept if i find one of us
to talk to ,well I have to go but I am a believer and until I
die I keep on doing that , Believe.

All the best from Iceland, skarpi.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Azizi
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 08:37 AM

Good for you, Skarpi.

I'm a believer too. But I don't believe in trying to convince others to believe in what I believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 08:42 AM

I believe in folk music. And beer. And that the Da Vinci Code is a well-written and plausible book.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 08:53 AM

Well now Ms. Aziza, with all respect intended,
To converse on any given subject or to teach a subject, does not necessarily mean to convert or convince or change, unless one listens and understands and maybe, just maybe, will except a new idea/concept. (breath)
If I didn't read/hear others ideas, beliefs, theorys, I'd have had to come up with a hell of a lot of my own!

Peace. Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Amos
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 09:42 AM

I don't get it? What's not to believe?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Azizi
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 10:39 AM

I hear you, Rustic Rebel.

More power to those folks who bring up for serious, considerate discussion such non-traditional metaphysical subjects as telepathy, precognition, reincarnation, karma, and astral projection.

Every one has to choose which subjects they will talk about here, and which they won't. For the most part, I choose not to converse about those subjects here.

I figure I have other subjects to talk about with 'Catters and Guests.

Positive vibrations to you!

Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: autolycus
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 10:45 AM

I believe for every drop of rain that falls,
Someone gets wet.

(S.Milligan)

   Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 10:51 AM

As Tom Paxton wrote, "I'm a simple man/I believe."

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: GUEST,M.Ted
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 12:29 PM

If you don't believe, nothing is possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 12:37 PM

I got a wallpaper on my desktop, as was seen on Mulders office wall in X-Files... the "UFO" hovering over the trees, with the caption, "I Want To Believe"

Only the way I read it.... I WANT to believe... but in the absence of any solid evidence I cannot.... I remain open to examining that evidence however.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: GUEST,thurg
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 12:46 PM

I recently read a book called The Airmen Who Would Not Die by John G. Fuller, and I'm not having any luck finding any commentary pro or con concerning the book or the cases it looks at ... What I'm wondering is how well Fuller's documentation stands up. Anyone know anything about it?

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: artbrooks
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 12:57 PM

Multiple universes. Imagine, a place where honest politicians and liberals (as currently defined by neo-cons) actually exist!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 02:53 PM

In this immense universe, there are untold billions of galaxies, each containing billions of stars, most of which are "main sequence" stars like the sun. What we now know about the formation of stars indicates that a main sequence star like our sun without a planetary system would be unusual indeed. Given that there would most likely be a planet or two orbiting in the "temperate zone" around most of these stars (where water would be in a liquid state), and given what we know about evolution (sorry, creationists), that if life can evolve, it will evolve, statistics alone indicate that there must be an immense number of planets in this galaxy, not to mention all the other galaxies, upon which life of one sort or another exists. Life and evolution being what they are, some species on these life-bearing planets may very well develop intelligence. Some of these species may develop along scientific/technological lines. If they don't kill themselves off in wars (the jury is still out on this this planet), some of them may develop long-range space travel and go in search other intelligent life. And it is conceivable that some of these alien civilizations may have visited, are currently visiting and observing, or will sometime in the future visit this planet.

The contention of many who have seen, or believe they have seen, Unidentified Flying Objects is that UFOs are space ships from one or several of these alien civilizations visiting our planet. This could very well be true. Although I must admit to strong skepticism, given that there is not just the possibility, but the likelihood that civilizations exist on other planets, I find I cannot rationally rule it out.

But it is a gross leap of logic to automatically assume that an Unidentified Flying Object is an alien space ship. The operational word here is "unidentified."

I have seen UFOs. I have seen many UFOs.

Skeptics, bear with me now.

At night, I often see lights in the sky, but I cannot identify exactly what the Flying Object bearing those lights is. But I use my ears as well as my eyes and I make some assumptions. Since the Interstate 5 freeway is not too far from where I live, I can usually hear that the Object as quite probably a traffic helicopter. At least I assume that's what it is. Also, one of the flight-paths to the Seattle-Tacoma International airport passes high over the building in which I live. When lights pass high over the neighborhood and I hear what sounds like a multi-engine jetliner, I also assume that that is what it is. At dusk one evening a few years ago I saw an Object bearing lights following a curved path coming in from the west and turning south onto the Sea-Tac flight path. Other than the lights, I saw it at an odd angle and only in silhouette. It occured to me at the time that what I saw looked for all the world like the Klingon cruiser that Kirk and crew had commandeered and used in Star Trek: The Voyage Home. But since I couldn't see it that clearly and it sounded like a multi-jet airliner, I made a leap of logic and assumed that was what it actually was. Perhaps I jumped to a hasty conclusion. Perhaps I lacked imagination.

[I do sincerely believe, however, that perhaps the government of the state of Texas, and definitely Washington, D. C., have been taken over by surgically altered Ferengi!]

Many flying objects I have seen, I can identify. I know a robin when I see one. And with a park nearby, there a crows everywhere. I spotted what I know to be a Brewer's blackbird out in the Green Lake area, and I once actually saw an American bald eagle circling over downtown Seattle. A bird-watcher friend of mine told me that there is a pair of bald eagles who nest in Discovery Park, and although they usually dine on fish, occasionally they like a change of diet and go downtown to snack on the urban pigeon population.

Can you imagine how startling and amazing it would be to be sitting near the Henry Moore sculpture (sometimes refered to by local wags as "dinosaur droppings") in the open area across Fourth Avenue from the new Seattle Public Library on a warm day, eating your lunch, when a great white-headed raptor swoops in, grabs one of the ubiquitous gray pigeons bobbing about on the sidewalk a few feet from you, and streaks off into the sky with the unfortunate pigeon in its mighty talons?

But I am no ornithologist. I can identify most common species, but as a bird-watcher, I'd make a better plumber. Hence, I see Unidentified Flying Objects every day.

But it is possible that someday when I am moseying through the aforementioned nearby park, a disk-shaped space ship may land near me, and an alien who loves artistic singing may step out, wave its tentacles at me, and say, "Take me to your lieder."

Always endeavoring to be a good host, I will, of course, comply.

Don Firth

(Another slow day at the skunk works.)

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Bagpuss
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 02:56 PM

I believe in life after love

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 03:37 PM

Nere a 'ope me zon. If the DFO 'adda done their job, see, there still be lots a cod. If Brian Tobin... what? "U"FO? Well, FU too. What? Little green men? The fookin Portageese ya means? Wit their jeezly big freezer boats 'n all? Yees b'y, seen em meself. If I'da 'ad me tree-ought-tree wit me, buddy, I'da 'ad at the bastards 'n... what? Outer space? Loik, spaced out? Ye means the mainlanders? No? What? From the sky? the sky? What?! Ere ye fookin daft man?

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 04:03 PM

...telepathy, psychic healing, the "hollow Earth" theory, ghosts, an immortal soul, "laying on of hands" healing, the power of prayer, reincarnation, transubstantiation, hypnotic regression, past lives, multiple universes, faster-than-light travel, Lemuria, shape-shifting, lycanthropy, the akashic records, secret masters in Tibet, out-of-body experiences, chimpanzees that talk and write books in 7 languages, after death schools for the soul, multiple levels of spiritual existence, magnetic therapy, the "Greys", alien abductions of Earthlings, the "Philadelphia" incident, the back engineering of alien technologies from downed spacecraft, the Bilderberger group, the Fountain of Youth, the book of Mormon, hamster replication, lucky charms, and astrology?



Well looking at the original post, there are three groups of things in there.

1. Various things that simply cannot be proved or disproved, at least within any concievable science or technology; ie death schools for the soul.

2. Simply impossible things. The Chimpanzee throat does not it allow to speak, let alone seven languages. A hollow earth just does not work etc etc.

3. Things born out of paranoia. Yes, there could be a flying saucer based on alien technology flying out of the Nevada desert. But it all seems rather unlikley, and given just how bad the Goverment is at keeping stuff secret, how come they suddenly got good for this?


In short, I don't believe in any of them. Some of them may be true, but I don't feel the need to believe in them. I believe in love, but that's a different matter....

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 04:34 PM

"Do you belive in Magic" ? How about the Loving Spoonful ? John Sebastian ?

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: skarpi
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 06:26 PM

Hallo again ,

"But I don't believe in trying to convince others to believe in what I believe" . I don´t either.

Azizi , you don´t have to and you know when our people
are with us .


all the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 09:41 PM

Not only do I believe in infant baptism, I've actually seen it done!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 11:05 PM

Scary. Can't say I have...

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Boab
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 12:04 AM

Do these Bilderberg Bastards STILL rule the roost???

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Peace
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 01:02 AM

Yeah. But now they're called Neocons.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 09:23 AM

I believe everything I'm told - Why would anyone lie to me?

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: GUEST,Mrr at work
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 12:00 PM

Nope

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 12:58 PM

ahem....(if you see my name, and your first reaction is "uh-oh", you'd best skip this...☺)


*begin semi-relevant practical rumination*

Consider the phrase "believe in". Implicit in the very construction is that you 'could' not believe in. That is, the type or degree of proof involved is not absolute, and the interpretation of supporting data and evidence is usually highly subjective.

*IF* such is the case, I usually avoid even using the words 'believe' or 'not believe' for my opinion. I prefer to refer to it all in terms of what I'd be willing to act on, bet on, 'trust' as a pretty reliable working model...etc. (Evolution might be a case in point...the evidence for it keeps getting stronger and the underlying model of 'how' it works becomes more complex AND coherent every day.)

Flamenco Ted, however, has shown me nothing that would make me accept purported messages from the fairies in his garden..☺

In between are some notions that sure are 'interesting', and worth examining....(UFOs and aliens, for example).....to me 'belief', is relevant only to the idea that I sure 'believe' that other life forms are obviously possible, but mathematically likely. This does NOT cause me to 'believe' that they come here....that remains 'interesting' and worth examining.

It's all in the personal attitude and proclivity to need to believe one way or the other.


*end semi-relevant practical rumination*


(oh...and of course, I DON'T believe that "for every drop of rain that falls, someone gets wet" TRILLIONS of rain drops fall on uninhabited areas every day... ipse faxit- quo demonstrandum est - Nil sine, numine - Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - illegimati non carborundum - Carpe Diem, and MAGISTER MUNDI SUM!)

back to our regualrly scheduled BS...as you were!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: Peace
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 01:14 PM

This is a disturbing thread. I didn't need to have Santa shot outta the air like that. Or the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny. Is NOTHING SACRED ANYMORE?

Subject: RE: BS: Do you believe in UFOs, God, Atlantis...
From: MarkS
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 01:18 PM

Post hoc ergo proper hoc. Finally an explanation of why women laugh when I ask them out.