BS: Canadians Read This!!!

Subject: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 11:44 AM

Try this Go here!
Let me know what you think!

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peter T.
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 12:15 PM

The usual disgusting liberal bunch of do-gooders and interfering busybodies who are absolutely right!

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 12:19 PM

I think it is propaganda to shore up the Quebec dominated Public service and Liberal government of Paul Martin. Since their corruption was exposed they relied on fear mongering and downright lying propaganda to save their sorry asses; and apparently the Canadian public has woken up to this and is responding by voting Conservative. I like that and hope the Conservatives get a majority, then we can fix our system so it doesn't crash completely.

Yours, Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 12:45 PM

Dave

What makes you think the Coservative/Reform party will/can "can fix our system so it doesn't crash completely. " ? Viz. Brian Mulroney.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 12:47 PM

I will never vote for any party who does not understand that Canadians and their Government have a social contract and a covenant with each other. Neither will I vote for any leader who has such a low regard for some parts of his own country that he refers to them as a bunch of losers and deafists. Stephen Harper is conning us into believing that he is Something that he is not. I do not belong to any political Part but I do have some pride and self respect.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 01:07 PM

Brian Mulrooney et al are not part of the new conservative party. I remember a time when Preston Manning said "if we dont do something to shore up our medicare system it will erode and will not function properly; we can raise taxes, reduce services, or add a private section so that part of the system is supported by people who pay for private health insurance" He was accused of being a redneck racist Nazi and demolished by the press. Jean Chretien said "I won't touch your social programs" He was elected and promptly had Mr Martin (finance Minister) cut transfer payments to all provinces, which really destroyed hospital services and beds in Nova Scotia.

He also failed to live up to his promises of eliminating the GST and failed miserably to secure decent wage increases for anyone. All the jobs he claims to have created are part time low paying benefitless service industry jobs and he is proud of that?So much for the great social Liberals.

Now we have Mr Harper who promises to cut the GST, cut taxes, and repair our medicare system, the Liberals declare foul and use the same scare tactics they used before. Sorry, there are now enough Candians who see through that; and hopefully we will get a government that will actually do some good for our country instead of raping it for personal benefit. BTW Mr Martin uses a Private Medical Clinic as does jean Charest, Brian Mulrooney, et al......

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 01:57 PM

I voted. Neither Liberal nor Conservative. Those two are as corrupt as the Democrats and the Republicans in the US. Bastards all; a pox on both their houses.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST,Bucky Beaver
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:00 PM

The horror...the horror...!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:20 PM

And a thoroughly boring piece of writing it was, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:21 PM

Mr. Harper will need to cut 22 billion dollars in services to carry out his plan. What do you suppose he will cut to do that. He has already publicly stated that he will cancel the Liberal tax cuts. The issue of private medicare plans is a red herring as almost all working Canadians belong to a "Private Health Plan". These plans are not set up as an alternative to the National Plan they compliment it.
The Conservative Government of Nova Scotia did a great deal that was Detrimental to Health services in NS, then they blamed it on the feds.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:24 PM

I will never vote for a man that wears mascara.

And why three excalmation marks in the thread title?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:25 PM

Blah blah blahblah blah

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:31 PM

"I will never vote for a man that wears mascara."

Well, as long as it doesn't clash with the rest of his ensemble, I have no problem with the idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 03:11 PM

Re the cutting of transfer payments... we have a balanced budget and we have a surplus. Funding for programs like Medicare have RISEN. Granted, provinces who refuse to use transfer payments in accordance with federal laws, like those on abortion provision, don't get their cheques on time.

Mulrooney sold Canucks down the river with free trade. You say Stevie is different? I agree. Far worse. As a Maritimer, I don't like being shit on by some arrogant, insignificant weasel. As a Canuck... same deal... the guy is GWB with a Canuck flag up his ass. Maybe that's why he has a perpetual smile, insincere as it is, on his face. Vile and disgusting man.

BTW... did you see that Jack used a private clinic just a while ago... it is to laugh, er, cry....

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 03:27 PM

The private clinic that Jack used, the Shouldice Clinic, is private in so far as it is not administered as part of the Ontario hospital network, but it bills OHIP (Ontario Hospital Insurance Plan) for it's procedures, not the patients, just as any physician in private practice does. It is unique in that it specializes in one particular procedure, hernia repair, and has a world-wide reputation.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 03:36 PM

Oh. So, OHIP is... IS Medicare? Am I correct in saying that you are saying that Jack (or his wife) makes NO payments to OHIP for any type of coverage?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 04:01 PM

OHIP is medicare. What I'm saying is that anyone can be treated at the Shouldice Clinic and it is covered by medicare.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 04:38 PM

If you are not Scared by the Bush-like Steven Harper you aren't very aware of what's going on!

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 04:43 PM

The truth is a great Scare tactic!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST,!!!!!!!
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:26 PM

AUGHHH! You scare me, Raptor! You and your frikkin' exclamation points! You will be one of the first who is culled from the population after Mr Harper takes over!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:27 PM

I hope and pray that Canada is not about to elect another Bush-toady like Tony Blair. The relatively small demand for body armour/bags for Canada's military under the Liberals is more than enough. I shudder to think what could be ahead if Harper and his crew are in charge when G.W. calls for his next "coalition of the willing"......

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:51 PM

I f*$kin scared in just what the results will be .... and that is having a Bush-toady.

The Mulroney years are too fresh in my memory as are the Mike Harris years in Ontario.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 06:49 PM

What about the Bob Ray years? NDP and Liberals scare me more than Harper. What about the two billion spent on a useless gun registry? if they had put that into social programs especially in Toronto youth programs we would be better off. Get real, if Harper is too bad we will vote him and his party out too! You guys need to get your information from better sources than Liberal CBC and stupid media
propaganda

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST,Bucky Beaver
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 07:09 PM

The end...is near...

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 07:09 PM

Then your face is tooooo close.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 08:54 PM

Harper, Bush and Campbell (B.C.) are all cut from the same cloth.

Harper is not conservative. He is a radical, Christian fundamentalist and a racist to boot. He cares nothing about Canadians. He will make millions by kissing the butt of Bush and selling our resources to the U.S.

From the link above:"Stephen Harper is the northern version of George Bush, a fiscal and social conservative who would be at home with the coalition of American religious right wing evangelicals and foreign policy hacks who brought George Bush to power and who still hold sway in the United States today." - Maude Barlow, Council of Canadians

The NDP has a very good chance in my riding. I'm sure they will get in so I will probably vote Green. My daughter says it is the only way to turn the tide away from a two party, Federal system. I think alot of young people feel that way.

What scares me is that there are plenty of people like Dave who think that Stephen Harper is actually conservative. Do you really want a radical, right-wing government? Do you really think that Harper represents you?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 08:58 PM

I trust neither Conservatives nor Liberals. Every shit government we've had federally was led by one or the other. I am with GUEST on this. My vote went to neither of the bastards. I expect a Conservative minority government come Monday. Yippee.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:37 AM

bobad... I read up on the clinic. Nothing wrong with Jack going there. Nothing at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:26 AM

why is it that our ancient mariner thinks we are not able to see for ourselves what Mr. Harper stands for. To suggest that we are all dupes of the media, the cbc and the Liberals is very insulting to those of us who have made a point of becoming informed on the issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:48 AM

Ah, the great land of Robert Service. Play nice, children. How come y'all's political rheto--er--discourse sounds so much like ours???      Tw

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 09:40 AM

What will happen to CBC, Medicare, pensions, the poor, seasonal workers, Atlantic Canada, ACOA, Kyoto and the enviorment if Harper Gets elected. Where is his 22 billion in overspending going to come from. All of of the above, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:17 AM

"How come y'all's political rheto--er--discourse sounds so much like ours???"

It sounds the same because it IS the same. Canadians are as stupid as Americans. We vote for shit, elect shit, and then wonder why the Country seems to be upto its neck in shit. Doh!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:24 AM

The same as everywhere ... shit politicians voted in by shitty peeple, lobbyed by shit corporations.

We are all shtoopid I'm afraid.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:49 AM

Dear Peace and six......grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:56 AM

Dear Guest ... face reality.

Our elected representatives in government reflect the society that has voted them in.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:59 AM

what does that political cliche mean ? Is it universally true, as in Iraq , Afghanistan, Somalia, . Do you mean that Bad People ger Bad Governments..so we all get what we deserve ? Clarify Please.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:10 AM

Dera GUEST... Ya go with the best team ya got. It's all in the fundamentals. The kids these days ain't bein taught the fundamentals. If ya can't skate and ya can't stick handle, ya ain't got a team. Ya know, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:16 AM

To put it simply ... we get what we voted in.

I am speaking of democratic nations specifically. And that's the way it should be .... not saying I like what I see voted in, but the majority obviously wanted it that way. So ... yes, the majority gets what it deserves. If society has a shitty way of looking at life ... it's wants are the cheapest goods to be bought, they ignore the environment for want of things, they ignore the plight of the humanist side of life for the want of things, well, they get what they deserve.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:23 AM

No, it's not that exactly. The problem is that artificial entities called "political parties" control the $ySStem. They are beholden to their primary funding sources. Their primary funding sources are major corporations, banks, and other large financial entities of that sort, plus a consortium of very rich people who have traditionally owned and controlled those entities.

You can figure it out from there.

Political parties cannot be depended upon to represent the general public (although they always pretend to). They also divide the general public against one another by creating great hostility against the party or parties you don't support. These party line divisions cause a lot of long term stress and hatred in a society, to no useful purpose whatsoever.

The only way you could possibly clean up this mess would be:

1. abolish all political parties forever.
2. select candidates in some other manner than party conventions (Perhaps by local nominations? Perhaps by lot among those qualified and willing to serve?)
3. fund ALL candidates' campaigns equally from a public fund, so as to remove lobbyists from controlling politicians and influencing policy.
4. the government then formed would have to work as a cooperative group, forming committees, discussing and debating legislation and policy, and voting on it. 2/3 majority would be required to ratify legislation. You would not have competing blocs jockeying against each other in the government, you would have an assembly of independent individuals who would have to work things out as they went. This would be far more like real democracy than the party-controlled system we have now.

Guess what. It ain't gonna happen. ;-) Why would the rich and powerful of this land give away their control to the ordinary public when they don't have to?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:34 AM

And it aint gonna happen LH.

Blaming it all on big rich corporations is rather weak ... society has some responsibility there ... we are a society of consumers, buyers and we will sacrifice all to feed our own greed, which in turn ignites the the big greedy coporations to demand more of their own greed ... we are all the victims and responsible for our own demise due to greed.

Actually I think we should go back to having kings and queens who possess absolute power .., If we happen to live under the reign of a good king and live in Camelot all the better, if we happen to live under a reign of a despot, well, tuff luck. Hmmmm, sorta like these days under a democratic government isn't it.


sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:35 AM

So what your sayin Little Hawk is even some of the skilled kids are so caught up in the game, they forget just who own's the league, eh.......

Can't see that comin about LH, too many favour their home team......and only suppport another when theirs isn't in the running for the Cup.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:50 AM

"Dear Peace and six......grow up."

Guest, I have voted in every election I was allowed to for forty years now. What your grow up statement says to me is that possibly you think things are fine. They are not from my view. I live in Alberta, arguably the richest province in Canada. No provincial debt. Money comin' out the yinyang. And over 20% of the children in this province live below the poverty level. That is one in five kids. About 75% of the single moms in this province default on their child-support/spouse-support payments. When education dollars were cut, the first programs that took the hit were programs for special needs kids. When social services took a cut, the poorest of the poor took the hit. When this government needed money it also took from health care--and now they are trying really hard to get many clinics to privatize--and clinics that then become for-profit places begin to separte the rich and poor even further. Perhaps you have no concern for those who need help. (Maybe you do, and we just perceive very different ways to accomplish that.) However, you remark to me (and six, although I don't know if it offened him--so, I'll speak only for myself--is the cheap kind of shit that gets said by people I tend not to like. I expect you are a regular who lacks the intestinal fortutitude to post as who you are. That then says lots more about you than it does about me. Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:53 AM

"75% of the single moms in this province default on their child-support/spouse-support payments"

Sorry. It should read

"75% of the single moms in this province HAVE EXES WHO default on their child-support/spouse-support payments"

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:56 AM

are there no penalty boxes?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:01 PM

"are there no penalty boxes?"

Some of the b###ards deserve game misconducts.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:03 PM

I'm not offended ... as I know I am one who has concerns about the frailty in our society when it comes to social issues ... I do vote, and I do particpate immensly at the community level battling city hall in providing adequate housing and rights to the poor, I do only what I can do ... but I also see somewhat clearly why we get what we vote in ... and that is due to the apathetic majority ... and that I feel is reality.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:04 PM

Jeez Bruce, sounds just like upstate New York- except that there on top of the Federal gov't cuts in services, arsehole Republican (surprise!) Gov. George Pataki [what the hell IS it with that name George?? ] has enacted STATE cuts every year during his tenure, most recently in medical care for the poor.

Poor folks? Fu$k 'em. Cripples? Fu$k 'em. Education? Fu$k it.

This is what comes of not teaching Rousseau in schools any longer.
Age of Enlightenment? Fu$k it.

We have raised up a generation of morons. As you say, shit voters begets shit government.

And the rich get richer. The American Way.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:07 PM

"This is what comes of not teaching Rousseau in schools any longer."

excellent point Greg F. !!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:08 PM

there's a lot of Canadians enamoured of the American Way, they view them as the winners, eh.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:18 PM

When we have a society whose majority are living above the poverty line but are residing in 'gated' suburban communities and who hide themselves away from the misery and plight of the minority living below the poverty line social issues become nonexistance ... and yes, the democratric government voted in by this majority will shove aside social programs to ensure the majority can continue living as such at the cheapest way possible.

sIx