Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name

Subject: Convicted felon US 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 25 - 10:09 AM

We're getting close to the 700th post on the most recent iteration of these one-US politics-threads at a time so I'll start this now while I'm thinking of it. Convicted felon US 47 Pres / Thiel coup 3 has some good links in it and has moved along with the times. The Epstein Papers are due to be released today, in which more of his misdeeds will no doubt be shown and nothing done about them and may cause a flurry of discussion.

Meanwhile, a movement from the People's Union is urging people to not give him the attention he craves. Don't re-tweet or share his demented words, don't share photos, don't write the name of the 45/47 pres. That works for me, as I continue to turn off the news if they talk about him or play his voice.

The other thread will be closed because if it goes over 700 it will drop into the zone that offers a message about the thread being too long and now being worked on, etc.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 19 Dec 25 - 12:29 PM

Thanks SRS!

And thanks also to BWM for posting the full article and the link to it on 19 Dec 25 - 05:58 AM "From Mary Geddry on Substack, commenting on the Pulitzer Prize Board’s response to being sued by the Fat, Orange Baboon."

Before reading the article I wondered what He-Who-Is-Unnamed (HWIU) had to do with the Pulitzer Prize. Ok, got it! Now I am wondering why it is so unusual - in these crazy times - for a defendant to ask for complete documentary proof that harm has been caused in relation to the accusations and also why the other cases HWIU has generated haven't resorted to the same strategy. A glimmer of hope for the future.

And oh, wouldn't it be great to see him reveal all of his dark, hidden secrets like his long-hidden tax returns, his medical records, etc!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Dec 25 - 12:45 PM

Don’t hold your breath Helen! ;-)

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 19 Dec 25 - 03:47 PM

No he is more likely to duck for cover than stand his ground. That will be fun to watch too.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Dec 25 - 06:06 PM

Is he expecting to be publicly assassinated like John F Kennedy?
He added these large letters 'Donald Trump and' John F Kennedy Memorial to the building.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Dec 25 - 06:16 PM

Monsanto invented aspartame. If Diet Coke ever reaches 100°F, it forms formaldehyde.
Airline pilots are fined for drinking it since it effects vision.
Monsanto has since sold the patent.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 19 Dec 25 - 06:19 PM

Also Donuel, see if you can find the episode of Mythbusters where they figure out that aspartame in Diet Coke etc is one of the key ingredients in making it go up in the air like a canon when Mentos are dropped in it. LOL

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Dec 25 - 06:21 AM

From Wiki

"Aspartame was discovered by accident in 1965 by James M. Schlatter, a chemist working for G.D. Searle & Company in Skokie, Illinois. Schlatter had synthesized aspartame as an intermediate step in generating a tetrapeptide of the hormone gastrin, for use in assessing an anti-ulcer drug candidate.[59] He discovered its sweet taste when he licked his finger, which had become contaminated with aspartame, to lift up a piece of paper.[11][60] Torunn Atteraas Garin participated in the development of aspartame as an artificial sweetener.[61]"
NutraSweet Company



"In 1985, Monsanto bought G.D. Searle,[70] and the aspartame business became a separate Monsanto subsidiary, NutraSweet. In March 2000, Monsanto sold it to J.W. Childs Associates Equity Partners II L.P.[71][72] European use patents on aspartame expired beginning in 1987, with the US patent following suit in 1992.[73]"

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 25 - 07:32 AM

You just triggered a memory, Raggy. Anyone ever see the film "Skokie"? Really good TV movie featuring Danny Kaye as Max Feldman, standing up to a Neo-Nazi rally. A good lesson to be learned from it today!

From thhe Wiki entry -

The Jewish community decides to stand against the rally at all costs to make sure that the Holocaust will never be forgotten or allowed to happen again.

Moderate leaders Bert Silverman and Abbot Rosen advise the Jewish community to ignore the neo-Nazis; the strategy they put forward is "quarantine", isolating the meeting by totally ignoring the neo-Nazi presence and refusing to be provoked. They see their logic as simple: if the Jewish community refuses to acknowledge the rally and thus refuses to feed the media any publicity, the meeting will be futile and eventually forgotten.

However, one citizen challenges their argument. A Holocaust survivor, Max Feldman, says that he was told to ignore the Nazis nearly 40 years ago in Germany, and before he knew it he was in a concentration camp. He says this time he will take action, and he is ready to shed blood if necessary. Led by this de facto spokesman, most members of the community agree to protest.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Dec 25 - 10:29 AM

Off and running in many directions, I see!

I've started reading the satirist Andy Borowitz's Profiles in Ignorance: How America's Politicians Got Dumb and Dumber. In the introduction he discusses the subjects of the book, with a few paragraphs I'll share here.

To believe that Trump's presidency came out of nowhere, without warning, is the political version of creationism. I, on the other hand, believe in devolution. The election of a serially bankrupt, functionally illiterate reality TV host was the logical consequence of the five decades preceding it, which, with apologies to Edith Wharton, I'll call the Age of Ignorance. How did the bar for our political figures fall so far? To better Understand this heinous half century, I've divided it into the Three Stages of Ignorance: Ridicule, Acceptance, and Celebration.

During the Ridicule stage, ignorance was a magnet for mockery, a serious flaw that could kill a political career. Consequently, dumb politicians pretend to be smart. I'll profile two politicians who navigated this perilous stage with radically different outcomes: Ronald Reagan, whose gift as a TV performer helped hide his cluelessness, and Dan Quayle, who shared Reagan's cluelessness but not his knack for hiding it.

During the Acceptance stage, ignorance mutated into something more agreeable: a sign that a politician was authentic, down-to-earth, and a "normal person." Consequently, dumb politicians felt free to appear dumb. In this stage, I'll profile George W. Bush, who made ignorance his brand, and Sarah Palin, who made it her business model.

Finally, during the Celebration stage—the ordeal we're enduring right now—ignorance has become preferable to knowledge, dunces are exalted over experts, and a candidate can win a seat in Congress after blaming wildfires on Jewish space lasers. Being ill-informed is now a litmus test; consequently smart politicians must pretend to be dumb. I'll profile the ultimate embodiment of this stage, Donald J. Trump, and Trump wannabes such as Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantis—who, despite being graduates of our nation's finest universities, strenuously try to outdumb him. . . . while Democratic dopes have wreaked their share of havoc, the scale of their destruction doesn't equal that of their Republican counterparts. Once Democrats gin up a two-trillion-dollar war to find nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, ignore and then politicize a virus that causes nearly a million needless deaths, and attempt a violent overthrow of the U.S. government, I'll get cracking on a book about them.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 20 Dec 25 - 11:18 PM

The sooner the Trump head case is gone the better. God bless The United States of Trump

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Dec 25 - 05:35 AM

The problem is, Richard, that there’s a plethora of other head-cases lined up to follow him.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Dec 25 - 01:09 PM

At least here they can scrape the Trump crap off once he's out of office. Someone must be keeping a spreadsheet of the offenses of this administration so the government and properties and agencies and buildings can be restored. The speed at which they break things (DOGE on agencies and Drumpf on the White House in particular) is going to make restoration seem slow by comparison, but much of it must be done.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Dec 25 - 08:46 PM

PoLiticians are not the boss. Their boss is the Foreign Relations Committee FRC, and the bankers, including the IMF and the Bilderbergs.
The Federalist Society is the internal government boss. The system is fascist by its operation. Dumb politicians are often the most desirable by their bosses to be ignorant fall guys for the official oligarchy. It's been this way for 100 years or more since the last Gilded Age. There are other influencers like religion behind the Prayer Breakfast and Family.

Education is the enemy to the current system. There is much the average citizen does not know.

An introduction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_60_Families

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Dec 25 - 04:27 PM

Just as the US is still living with the remnants of the Civil War, the world is still dealing with the aftermath of the First World War.
The Middle East is still dealing with the mandates that divided the Ottoman Empire between the UK and France, who created states they imperialistically treated as their own, with Palestine left up for grabs by everyone.

Now, Trump wants to return to the days when we treated South America similarly. I'm sure our military wants to test out our new AI warfare strategies. So far, we are claiming Venezuelan oil as our own by technicalities/piracy.

Runaway inflation preceded the previous world wars, and Trump is on his way to causing that in the next 3 years.

Are we smart enough to turn away from another great war by psychopathic leaders?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Dec 25 - 09:47 PM

This is not broad-brush history; this is roller history.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Dec 25 - 02:58 AM

Trump is the biggest warmonger in the world, no wonder Russia was worried by Nato wareships close to their boundaries and the increase us bases in eastern europe. Mind you what right has Denmark to colonise Greenland

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Dec 25 - 03:06 AM

Trump has over 40 military bases and sites in Europe, with significant concentrations in Germany, Italy, the UK, and Poland, hosting around 84,000 troops as of early 2025, though exact numbers vary by source and reporting period, with major hubs like Ramstein Air Base (Germany) and Naval Support Activity Naples (Italy). These facilities range from large Army garrisons to smaller surveillance or logistics sites, supporting operations across the U S. European Command (EUCOM) area.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 23 Dec 25 - 12:17 PM

Greenland and Venezuela being bullied for their own assets? Piracy and duress?

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Dec 25 - 05:21 PM

…and as a diversion from the contents of the Epstein Files?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Dec 25 - 02:08 PM

Robert Reich on It's A Wonderful Life and how Trump is just like Mr. Potter.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Christmas song
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 25 - 09:50 AM

Trump is sueing us that dirty liar
Lawyers clipping off our nose
MAGA hymns being sung by a choir
And folks dressed up like frozen crows
Everybody knows he's a turkey with some missing toes
Help save the country from his blight
Tiny tots with their eyes cast below
Will find it hard to sleep tonight

Do you know the Crash is on the way?
There'll be fewer toys and goodies in this fray
Everybody's mother's child is going to spy
To see if any Trumps really know how to cry


And so I'm offering this simple phrase
From kids from one to ninety-two
Although it's been said many times, many ways
Merry Christmas,
except for you know who

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Dec 25 - 09:45 AM

Mr. Hegseth has openly told our Generals to return to the days of My Lai and the descent into obeying the madness of illegal orders to massacre. The general public is not completely desensitized by evidence of the 7 million strong no kings march.

Precedents have been made and the psychology of our citizens are still vulnerable to the increased propoganda and media takeover. The descent into social madness may still succeed if it goes slow enough.

Free speech does not include calls to violence or slander. While more intimidation and censorship of free speech and critics is progressing, the President continues to call for violence and slanders his perceived enemies daily. There is currently more push back compared to the earlier extortion of universities and lawfirms.

MAKE NO MISTAKE, total authoritarian takeover of the USA is still on a precarious see saw.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Dec 25 - 10:12 AM

BINGO cards for the year will include things like "midterm election," "Federal courts," "assassination," and "blood clot" as to what might come into play for the orange gipper in 2026.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Dec 25 - 12:04 PM

He is senile, or insane, or both.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 31 Dec 25 - 12:13 PM

Both - and more.

And my bet is what I have been referring to as McDonaldsitis i.e. any or every health consequence - major and minor - of eating junk food at least once a day.

I saw on Stephen Colbert's The Late Show (I think) an image of the meals provided on Air Force One when RFK Jr travelled on it and it was huge amounts of Big Macs and fries etc and not a spec of healthy food, unless you count what passes for salad on a Big Mac. RFK Jr can't have been impressed with that, surely!!?? But then again, he is a hypocrite.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Dec 25 - 04:16 PM

I do not think he is senile
I think he is a tool of the USA armament industry
In the 2024 election cycle, Donald Trump's campaign and affiliated outside groups received roughly
$1.73 million from the defense sector.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Dec 25 - 06:51 PM

I would suggest that in the politics of USA $1.73 million is a drop in the ocean.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Dec 25 - 07:42 PM

Dick, that's not what's happening. The Heritage Foundation has their talons in Trump. As Raggy says, that 1.7M is puny, meaningless in this context.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 01 Jan 26 - 06:41 AM

well the turnip has got 2026 off to a good start, hasn't he. where the rest of the world spoke of goodwill, his message to his opponents was to 'rot in hell'. Let's postpone 2026 for 24 hours and start the year again on the right footing.

Lets also campaign for Jan 1st to be designated the UN international day of goodwill and any world leader who fails to observe it be named and shamed by the UN gen sec at the next meeting.

In the meantime this could be a popular movement starting on social media.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Jan 26 - 07:41 AM

I’m so tired of him.
I’m tired of people pretending he’s not an idiot.
I’m tired of his lies.
I’m tired of his sickening amorality.
I’m tired of his face, his voice, his smirk.
I’m tired of his inability to say even one thing remotely kind, or humble, or appropriate - ever.
I’m so fucking tired of him.

(Thanks to an unidentified FB source - sums up my feelings about the fat, ugly, orange bastard perfectly).

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 01 Jan 26 - 12:13 PM

Thanks BWM, that says it all. And I agree with SPB-Cooperator, too.

I'm hoping that karma will kick in this year for the unnameable Prez. Big time! Bring it on!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 01 Jan 26 - 03:41 PM

DHS says "Happy New Year!" (U.S. population: 330 million.)

https://www.facebook.com/homelandsecurity/posts/the-peace-of-a-nation-no-longer-besieged-by-the-third-world/1355505993287242/

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jan 26 - 01:10 AM

DHS should be re-named by tRump to DHP - Department of Homeland Propaganda.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Jan 26 - 07:13 AM

Fun fact: "Government propaganda" was almost unknown before the First World War. (No pre-war encyclopedia, including the 1911 Britannica, for example, has an entry for "propaganda.")

The point isn't that the DHS picture is propaganda, but that its message is (shall we say?) startling.   

Furthermore, the idea that America will resemble a surfer's dream in 1966 (but without surfboards or people) is (shall we say?) unconvincing.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Jan 26 - 07:45 AM

Cause for hope? Or alarm? From "The Hill":

"Back in 2001, 54 percent of Americans reported trusting the federal government, a slight increase from the 47 percent who felt that way in the 1980s. Now, public trust in government is scraping historic lows across every metric: As of 2025, only 17 percent of Americans believe that what their government is telling them is true."

The whole article is a downer worth reading:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/opinion-trump-presides-over-america-140000536.html

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Aethelric
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 08:52 AM

Hmm, he has just kidnapped the head of a foreign state. I wonder if this sort of thing will catch on?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 10:10 AM

and the Venison is to stand trial in USA

Ray
its all about drugs apparently

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 11:09 AM

What was it the fat, ugly, orange baboon was saying about the Nobel Peace Prize?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 11:11 AM

No, it's all about the next distraction from his bad behavior.

I'm reading a book by the famous American satirist Andy Borowitz. Profiles in Ignorance: How America's Politicians Got Dumb and Dumber. He focuses on Reagan, Bush II, and Trump, and I'm in the Reagan chapter now in which we learn how his enablers pretty much wrote the playbook that 45/47 is running with now.

Reagan demonstrated that, in the hands of a talented TV performer, one joke could sink a thousand facts. But he had enjoyed another advantage as he cruised to victory in 1980: an all-star roster of morally dubious advisers. His gang of goons included Roy Cohn, the disgraced former aide to Senator Joseph McCarthy, and three hard-charging political consultants, Roger Ailes, Roger Stone, and Paul Manafort. It was hard to imagine another Republican presidential assembling such a team, or coming up with a campaign slogan as winning as Reagan's: "Let's Make America Great Again."⁴⁰

Reagan was able to dismiss all of Jimmy Carter's knowledge and facts by uttering "There he goes again" and deploying lots of hackneyed Hollywood film lines whenever he didn't know what he should really say.

When a satirist writes history it's fascinating and to the point. And from the introduction to the book:

One final point. For the past twenty years or so, I've written a column in which I've made up news stories for the purpose of satire. In this book, I've made nothing up. All the events I'm about to describe actually happened. They're a part of American history. Unfortunately.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 12:35 PM

I suspect this one is a test to see what the rest of the world does. If they throw Venezuela to the dogs, Greenland is next, followed by Mexico and Canada. OK - They say Maduro is a crook and corrupt. So is Trump. It is also exactly what Putin says about Zelenskyy

Roll on the November elections. If he lasts that long...

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 12:37 PM

The Felon-in-Chief has basically jumped the shark. As we speak, he's blethering on about the US running Venezuela, and how (surprise) it'll be paid for with Venezuelan oil. Straight out of his controller's playbook*.

I foresee a phone call to (the rubble of) the White House, in which someone will say to him those three little words which mean so much:

Krasnov .... you're fired.

.... The one I feel sorriest for right now is Zelenskyy. Agent Orange may have wanted to distract from the legacy of Epstein, but his controller doubtless has his eyes on Kyiv, and wants to forcibly change its spelling back.

---

I'm staying out of it, and staying as far as possible from the TV news. I resent having to give the worthless little oik any headspace whatsoever, and will be much happier once he's parked back on the thunderbox^† where his emenations belong.

* I don't have a copy of Mein Kampf to czeck whether it's there too.

† Irony is not dead. An alternative name for this (in)sanitary item is "throne".

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 12:39 PM

The fat, ugly, orange baboon on BBC TV News Channel just now, announcing that the US is ‘taking over the running of Venezuela temporarily’. This is the same fat, ugly, orange baboon who has been begging for the Nobel Peace Prize to be awarded to him.

And, in the meantime, his 34 felony convictions fade into the dim and distant past, and his involvement in the Epstein Files is forgotten.

Sorry USA, you are totally fucked (and we will be the same in the UK if his puppet, Farage, manages to get Reform UK elected to power at the next GE).

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 01:32 PM

Relax, Farage could take Monaco and Lichtenstein but not India.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 03:36 PM

only Russia or China can stand up to Trump,

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 04:57 PM

Maybe he'll solve it all with his self-administered aspirin overdosing based on his more-is-better philosophy.

"Recognizing the Early and Severe Signs of Toxicity

"The initial signs of Aspirin poisoning are generally subtle, affecting the auditory and gastrointestinal systems. The most classic early symptom is tinnitus, described as a persistent ringing or buzzing sound in the ears. This is frequently accompanied by impaired or muffled hearing.

"Gastrointestinal distress is also common in early toxicity, presenting as nausea, vomiting, and abdominal pain. Patients may experience hyperventilation (rapid or deep breathing) as the body attempts to compensate for the drug’s effects on the acid-base balance. Other mild indicators include excessive sweating and unusual thirst.

"As poisoning progresses to a severe stage, symptoms become more pronounced and involve the central nervous system.   **Severe signs include confusion, agitation, and a noticeable change in mental status, sometimes progressing to hallucinations.**   The inability to regulate temperature can lead to a high fever, and metabolic disruption can cause metabolic acidosis and dangerously low blood sugar. In the most severe cases, patients may experience seizures, develop cerebral or pulmonary edema, become comatose, or suffer kidney failure."

**Problem identified??!! LOL

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 07:01 PM

Venezuela by Jesse Wells. (The other song "Venezuela" I know is sung by Richard Dyer Bennet and bears no relation to this situation).

Try to spend a quiet Saturday away from social media and it still creeps into your consciousness, that he's done something bigger and stupider - again.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 03 Jan 26 - 09:42 PM

The Trump learns from Putin. Ignore international law for what you can get out of it. I guess he will continue earning disrespect for America

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 04 Jan 26 - 03:16 AM

Dangerous precedent ~ kidnapping ~ potential burglary) check definition ~ he cares nowt for the law! very dangerous

Europe MUST be galvanised into at least starting to work together to reel in this monster

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 04 Jan 26 - 08:20 AM

Trump may well be in the process of exerting pressure on a number of south American countries ~ on drugs charges

This could well be seen badly by EU, and Russia and the world

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jan 26 - 01:00 PM

For those who, like me, wonder how, in the name of all that’s holy, the fat, ugly, orange baboon managed to get himself elected POTUS not once, but twice, here’s Michael Jochum (drummer with Korn and, inter alia, self-confessed political commentator) on his Facebook page yesterday…

https://www.facebook.com/1176851850/posts/pfbid02SgSnXqGUcncHJJvx7Wg3MiWty16NzGD6XMiW8HjTRL438GhvQQdkRYBZRxk1pTfAl/?

I think he could have a point…

For the benefit of the Facebook-phobic on here, the text follows…

“I’ve been watching an absolutely heroic amount of pearl-clutching lately from people who insist that J.D. Vance would somehow be “worse” than Trump once Trump’s inevitable political and biological expiration arrives.

Let’s get something straight: it has never been about Trump, not for one second.

Trump is just the mascot. The real story is the people who finally saw themselves in him and felt validated by what they saw.

I actually believe most of them will drift away when the cult collapses, like embarrassed fans of a one-hit wonder. Many of them will swear they were never really into him at all. The MAGA amnesia is going to be epic.

I used to wonder how it was possible that Trump could have won in 2016 and then again in 2024, given how emotionally toxic, morally vacant, and psychologically mangled he is.

I don’t wonder anymore.

I think he won for that exact reason.

He wasn’t a candidate. He was a mirror.

If you were a racist, you found your guy.
If you were a misogynist, you found your guy.
If money was your only religion, you found your guy.
If your heart was armored shut, you found your guy.
If you mocked disabled people, you found your guy.
If you hated intelligent people, you found your guy.
If you were a rapist, you found your guy.
If you enjoyed golden showers with Russian sex workers, you found your guy.
If you’d done absolutely nothing to confront your emotional wreckage, you found your guy.
If you were a serial cheater, you found your guy.
If you were a perpetual bankrupt, you found your guy.
If you stiffed honest workers, you found your guy.
If you were a conman, you found your guy.
If you mocked people’s appearances, you found your guy.
If you longed for a toxic Daddy, you found your guy.
If you were dissociated and disembodied, you found your guy.
If you were unconscionable in every economic dealing, you found your guy.
If you lied as naturally as breathing, you found your guy.
If you’d never eaten a green vegetable, you found your guy.
If you were a white supremacist, you found your guy.
If your ego contained a hole so large not even the presidency could fill it, you found your guy.
If you were a sociopath who cared not one molecule about other humans, you found your guy.

If he had only two of these traits, he never would have won. He won because he had hundreds of them, and millions of people recognized themselves in at least one.

This has never been about Trump. It has always been about the people who finally had their worst instincts validated.

Trump didn’t create the cruelty, he licensed it. He handed out permission slips for hate.

He is merely a symptom of a far deeper disease: collective toxicity.

If there is one sentence that explains Trump’s power, it is this: “He says the things I’m thinking.”

That’s the part that should chill the spine.

Who knew that tens of millions of Americans were thinking such unconscionable things about their fellow citizens? Who knew how many white men felt so threatened by women and challenged by minorities that they were ready to torch democracy to feel big again? Who knew that after decades of apparent progress on race and gender, so many people were living in seething resentment, waiting for a demagogue to legitimize their worst selves and convert their bitterness into political power?

Perhaps we were living in a fool’s paradise.

We aren’t anymore.

– Michael Jochum,
Not Just a Drummer: Reflections on Art, Politics, Dogs, and the Human Condition.”

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jan 26 - 01:41 PM

International Law and the U.S. Military and Law Enforcement Operations in Venezuela from Just Security, a forum on Law, Rights, and US National Security.

Partway down the page, after a description of the events of January 3, is a description of the focus of this article:

In this article, we explain several international law issues raised by the operation, some of which have been addressed in greater depth in the Just Security collection of articles on the drug boat strikes and other operations dealing with Venezuela. In particular, Operation Absolute Resolve implicates the prohibition on the use of force against other States (e.g., under the UN Charter), extraterritorial law enforcement, and initiation of an international armed conflict (e.g., under the Geneva Conventions).

The bottom line is, unlike the boat strikes the U.S. military has carried out to date that have occurred in international waters against stateless vessels, this operation, striking Venezuela and abducting its president, is clearly a violation of the prohibition on the use of force in Article 2(4) of the UN Charter. That prohibition is the bedrock rule of the international system that separates the rule of law from anarchy, safeguards small States from their more powerful neighbors, and protects civilians from the devastation of war. The consequences of flouting this rule so brazenly are likely to extend well beyond the case of Maduro’s forcible ouster. Likewise, the initiation of an armed conflict – triggering the application of the law of armed conflict, including all four Geneva Conventions – has meaningful consequences, ranging from the protections now owed to Venezuelan nationals in the United States, to the application of rules governing treatment of Maduro and his wife while in U.S. custody, to accountability for any war crimes committed in the course of the conflict.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 04 Jan 26 - 03:49 PM

Herself has a Theory: "I'm not saying it's the whole thing, but [Agent Orange] may have a downer on Maduro because he managed to hang onto power despite losing an election, while he couldn't despite his worst efforts." My theory is different: A junior officer in the Pentagon was given the exercise: "If you needed to take the head of Venezuela captive and put him on trial, how would you do it?" .... and this ended up (marked "2/10 See Me") in Stinkpuss's stash of top-secret bog paper in the Throne Room at Mar-a-Lago, then he read it and thought "because *Biden*" ....

I'm waiting for the heads of the (currently) Free World* to actually man up and call him out on this, but suspect on current form that I'll be waiting forever. I'm particularly disgusted at Starmer repeating the same mealy-mouthisms on a loop tape: that frog in particular is now well and truly boiled.

* I no longer believe I can include the USA in this. Apologies to those afflicted.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 04 Jan 26 - 04:29 PM

(Heart-)Breaking news: the **** in Chief is after Greenland again. Mebbe Venezuela was just a warm-up exercise, and to check whether anyone would give him the spanking he's been begging for since before he was out of nappies.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 04 Jan 26 - 04:42 PM

What I keep thinking about is covered in this article - I don't have access to the full article:

A Pardon and a Prosecution in New York Show Trump’s Personal Geopolitics

"The facts in the cases of Nicolás Maduro and Juan Orlando Hernández are strikingly similar. The men’s fates are not.

"A man in a blue puffer jacket is escorted by dozens of security officers.

"When President Juan Orlando Hernández of Honduras was extradited in 2022, his nation’s capital celebrated. President Trump pardoned him last month anyway.

"Two Latin American strongmen were charged in Manhattan with corrupting their governments, using state power to import hundreds of tons of cocaine into the United States.

"One, the former president of Honduras, Juan Orlando Hernández, was abruptly pardoned by President Trump last month.

"The other, President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela, was captured on Saturday in a military raid that Secretary of State Marco Rubio characterized as a law enforcement operation. Mr. Maduro was brought to the United States to face fresh allegations of narco-terrorism."

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 04 Jan 26 - 09:44 PM

As the Trump continues his own objectives without senate approval with many "executive orders". Nixon was impeached for less than this USA dictator, who sides with Putin. The world is in a bad place now because of him. Greenland next and Putin Europe then as his disregard to international law example. As for diplomatic emmunity the felon has his on charges against him, but not on a president another country that ignores that one also. He places the world in a bad place now till voters have any sense then.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 05 Jan 26 - 01:08 AM

I am banned from fb and now it seems X thinks I am a robot

Probably for the best as I do not agree American policy for many years thank you for your ongoing thoughts on the matter

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 05 Jan 26 - 06:53 AM

Ray, the online bots are certainly picking on you, so you must be doing something right!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Aethelric
Date: 05 Jan 26 - 09:10 AM

I wonder if he'll get his old friend Putin to send a few ships to Greenland to validate his proposed takeover.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 05 Jan 26 - 09:14 AM

Lol ~ yea that is the way I am looking at it positively

Time will tell ~ country building blocks are emerging and countries being offended or not will respond eventually UK had to have backs to the wall before pent up feelings emerged, I recall

Playing with fire can get you burnt

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jan 26 - 10:32 AM

Minnesota's Tim Walz (former VP running mate of Harris) is not going to run for a third term as governor because of the Somalian welfare check scandal blooming in his state (much to Trump's glee and promotion). Most of the Somalian's who left Africa were not pirates but it takes just a few bad eggs to set up a scheme and profit from it. During COVID, apparently (remember that, Mr. Trump?), and from there out. Minnesota's US Senator Klobuchar is interested in running. Now if the stars (literally!) align and New York's Senator Gillibrand admits she was wrong about Al Franken during the "Me, Too" movement and keeps her mouth shut after that, Franken should run again and resume his seat from Minnesota.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Aethelric
Date: 05 Jan 26 - 11:46 AM

A view not seen in the Media.

Venezuala and the Truth - Craig Murray

Here is an excerpt:-

The mainstream media covered Venezuela non-stop yesterday. They many times mentioned Delcy Rodríguez, Vice President, because Trump stated she is now in charge. They never mentioned that 2026 marks the 50th anniversary of the torture to death of her father, socialist activist Jorge Rodríguez, by the CIA-backed security services of the US-aligned Pérez regime in Venezuela.
That would of course spoil the evil communists versus nice democrats narrative that is being forced down everybody’s throats.
Nor did they mention that the elected governments of Hugo Chávez reduced extreme poverty by over 70%, reduced poverty by 50%, halved unemployment, quadrupled the number receiving a state pension and achieved 100% literacy. Chávez took Venezuela from the most unequal society for wealth distribution in Latin America to the most equal.
Nor have they mentioned that María Corina Machado is from one of Venezuela’s wealthiest families, which dominated the electricity and steel industries before nationalisation, and that her backers are the very families that were behind those CIA-controlled murderous regimes.
Economic sanctions imposed by the West – and another thing they have not mentioned is that the UK has confiscated over £2 billion of the Venezuelan government’s assets – have made it difficult for the Maduro government to do much more than shore up the gains of the Chávez years.
But that Venezuela is a major production or trafficking point for narcotics entering the USA is simply a nonsense. Nicolás Maduro has his faults, but he is not a drug trafficking kingpin. The claim is utter garbage.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jan 26 - 02:57 PM

A very interesting response to tRump’s Venezuelan ‘adventure’, from the ‘I F**king Love Australia’ FB Page. In true Aussie style, it’s blunt, sweary, but right on the button…

One response to tRump’s Venezuelan ‘adventure’…

As usual, for the benefit of the Facebookphobes, here’s the text (which, unfortunately, doesn’t include the piece that prompted the IFLA response, but which can be viewed by following the link).

And, FWIW, on the basis of their opinion, I f**king love Australia too…

”Alright, here we fuckin go.

To all you absolute knobjockeys clapping like trained fuckin seals because Trump “got the job done” in Venezuela, let me ask you something real slow so it lands. Do you morons actually understand what the precedent is here, or are you just addicted to the sound of your own outrage?

This is one country marching into another country and ripping out their leadership. Elected, rigged, corrupt, whatever label you wanna slap on it to feel good at night. That’s still foreign invasion. That’s still smashing sovereignty with a crowbar and calling it freedom.

And spare me the dictator bullshit. Coming from Donald Trump, that’s fuckin rich. This is the same bloke who incited an insurrection because he lost a free and fair election. Stormed his own Capitol like a drunk bloke who got told the pub was closed. And now he’s pointing fingers about corrupt elections? Get absolutely fucked.

Then they wheel out the narco-terrorism line. Oh yeah, suddenly he’s the world’s top drug cop. Except he pardoned the former president of Honduras, a bloke tied to moving hundreds of tons of cocaine. Hundreds. Tons. That’s not a typo. That’s Scarface levels of gear. But nah, tell me more about law and order, champ.

This is where you should be shitting yourself.

Because once you cheer this shit on, you’ve basically said, “Yeah cool, powerful countries can just take what they want if they don’t like who’s running the place.” That’s the fuckin rule now. No UN. No norms. No alliances. Just vibes and missiles.

So what’s next then, legends? Why not take the Panama Canal back? Why not grab Greenland because it’s “strategic”? Why not bully some other country that’s sitting on oil, minerals, shipping lanes, or anything else Wall Street’s got a hard-on for?

That’s how dictators think. That’s how empires rot.

There used to be an order. Messy, flawed, but there was a basic understanding of lines you don’t cross. UN charters. International law. Allies not stabbing each other in the back for profit. That baby has now been hurled out the window with the bathwater, and you’re all cheering like it’s a fireworks show.

And let’s not pretend this bloke’s in control. This is an erratic, decaying president whose health is clearly going south, whose popularity is in the toilet, whose economy promises turned out to be bullshit. Grocery prices didn’t drop. Rent didn’t drop. Wages didn’t surge. Instead they cooked the inflation numbers, massaged unemployment stats, and expect you to swallow whatever slop the agencies shovel out.

The walls are closing in on him, and when that happens, strongmen don’t calm down. They lash out. They get reckless. They need distractions. They need enemies. They need cheers from idiots online telling them they’re doing a great job.

And that’s the last fucking thing the world needs right now. A bloke with a fragile ego, nuclear toys, and a crowd of mega trolls jerking him off every time he destabilises another region.

This isn’t strength. It’s not leadership. It’s not justice.

It’s a slippery fuckin slope straight into global instability, and you muppets applauding it are the same people who’ll be crying later going, “How did it all go so wrong?”

You’re watching it go wrong in real time, you dumb bastards.”

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Jan 26 - 03:38 PM

Oh dear.
I've just found myself agreeing with a comment by Jeremy Corbyn on his facebook page:
"Invading another sovereign nation and abducting its president is a violation of international law.
What is preventing Keir Starmer from admitting something so glaringly obvious to us all?"

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 05 Jan 26 - 09:14 PM

So with you on this one Nigel

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 06 Jan 26 - 03:34 AM

Politics is a bag of worms ~so many twists and turns and decisions made by countries' leaders are often it seems pragmatic and in the countries interests ~to later return to "bite your bum" not all decisions are seen the same from different stand points!!but it is important to work within established legal precedent

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jan 26 - 03:53 AM

Well said Ray.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jan 26 - 05:43 AM

Graham Jones is a former Labour MP for Accrington South, a Front-Bencher for several years and, during that time, the Chair of the Parliamentary Committee on Venezuela. Here’s his opinion on the US-Venezuela situation, and it’s a very informative piece indeed, well worth reading the entire piece. It’s a long read, so I won’t reproduce it here, and I’ll leave it to those sufficiently interested to follow the link.

I believe that Graham Jones’ piece sheds light on the reasons for the failure of other world leaders, including Keir Starmer, to condemn the actions of the Trump regime.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jan 26 - 06:29 AM

And Danish Prime Minister, Mette Frederickson, speaking to the tRump regime yesterday…

”I have to say this very directly to the United States:

It makes absolutely no sense to talk about the need for the US to take over Greenland. The United States has no access to annex one of the three countries in the Commonwealth.

The Kingdom of Denmark - and therefore Greenland - is a part of NATO and is therefore covered by the alliance's security guarantee. We already have a defense agreement today between the Kingdom and the United States, which gives the United States wide access to Greenland. And we from the Kingdom have invested significantly in the security of the Arctic.

I would, therefore, strongly urge that on the side of the United States, stop the threats against a historically close ally and to another country and another people, who have very clearly stated that they are not for sale.

Mette Frederiksen
Prime Minister”

https://www.facebook.com/100044576643050/posts/pfbid028b3fU6wPS662QyxspasKxbLhPxgT4PH5i2apPrZcEUa4V5wYjifWiWe8sBguXT7pl/?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Jan 26 - 06:51 AM

CNN:

“ 'We live in a world in which you can talk all you want about international niceties and everything else,' deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller told CNN’s Jake Tapper. 'But we live in a world, in the real world … that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,' Miller said.

“ 'These are the iron laws of the world' .”

Used to be. Could be again. Is that what the world wants? Is that what 51% of American voters want?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Jan 26 - 07:00 AM

See Aesop and Thucydides.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Jan 26 - 07:02 AM

Backwoodsman:
Yes!

Unfortunately: The Kingdom of Denmark - and therefore Greenland - is a part of NATO and is therefore covered by the alliance's security guarantee.
Ukraine also had a guarantee from UK, Russia, AND USA secured as part of their giving up their nuclear arms.
Guarantees to some people are not worth the paper they are written on

Sorry to have to agree with you.
Normal service will resume . . .

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jan 26 - 11:30 AM

That’s fine, Nigel - it does us good, I believe, to occasionally find ourselves in agreement with those whose politics generally differ from our own, it’s a confirmation that not everything is as black and white as we otherwise might believe it to be.

Either way, please carry on!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 26 - 02:05 PM

I think we all have a lot more in common that a lot of people seem to think. Strip away the irrelevancies (sp?) of party politics and most on here are caring people who will help others in need. There are the trolls of course but even those may have some good qualities. Occasionaly :-)

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 26 - 02:24 PM

79% of Americans believe the US is doing wrong.
   MSNOW reports

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jan 26 - 04:15 PM

I completely agree DtG, those were my exact thoughts when I read Nigel’s post.
Happy New Year to both you and Nigel!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 07 Jan 26 - 02:21 AM

Free speech is being attacked it seems with police backing and connivance IF the evidence of the 22 tear old who had criticised ** is to be believed (Yahoo news)

US is becoming a police state?

Should contracts be made under duress and with someone who has acted "without" the International law?

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 26 - 03:18 AM

According to ‘Daily Express US’ on FB, the fat, orange baboon is now suggesting the cancellation of the upcoming mid-term elections, saying that the Democrats ‘don’t deserve to compete’.

It’s 1930s/40s Germany all over again. Why isn’t anyone doing anything about it?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Aethelric
Date: 07 Jan 26 - 03:37 AM

Invading Venezuela and threatening to annexe Greenland are huge successes. Nobody is talking about Epstein now. Mission accomplished.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 07 Jan 26 - 07:05 AM

*Agree* in spades, Aethelric.

I took the time to look up Thucydides (thanks, Lighter), and the expression "fear and self-interest" jumped out at me. It then occurred to me that the ultimate con is to stampede victims into doing things which are against their self-interest, traditionally by pushing the Fear button hard and often enough. This thread and its predecessors are awash with examples. The counter-spell of course is knowledge, and guess what the first action of a budding dictator will be --- ?

.... Methinks the arrival of the Grim Squeaker at (the rubble of) the White House is well overdue.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 07 Jan 26 - 08:11 AM

A chain of comments on an ElReg article:

In a system called democracy, society should not just "have to adapt" to any minority-made (i.e. billionaire-made) life- and world-changing developments...

"a system called democracy" != "democracy"

This fact has been the source of some confusion in the US of A for many many years. Even the POTUS has problems with it.

Surprised no one has piped up with "it's a republic, not a democracy" yet.

'cause it is an Empire, not a republic.

[side thread on Star Wars]

Any mention of "Empire" in the context should be followed by the "no clothes" bit. It just fits.

Oh, his dementia is already this far? **checking** Oh, not yet, but it wouldn't surprise me...

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 26 - 09:10 AM

I said ages ago that he will do anything to prevent Democrats taking either house in November. Correct me if I am wrong but a brief check seemed to reveal that the president has the constitutional power to suspended elections in time of war.

Just saying...

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 07 Jan 26 - 10:41 AM

MaJoc, be sure to consult Aesop's "The Wolf and the Lamb" and especially Thucydides' "Melian Dialogue."

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 07 Jan 26 - 10:41 AM

Piracy on the High seas?

Siege of Venezuela to start presumably to starve native Venezuelans to surrender to the new order of a "puppet" of the US for oil?

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jan 26 - 11:01 AM

It's outright theft of the natural resources by Trump, who will no doubt take a cut of the profits. It seems King isn't enough, he wants to be Emperor of the New World (including Greenland). If Canada wants to arrest Trump and put him on trial I'm fine with it.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 26 - 06:39 PM

It took Chancellor Hitler 6 months to abolish Democracy with the aid of mass murder. The mass arrests of opposition parties, with 4,000 arrests on one day and 20,000 in the weeks to come, silenced citizens.

Trump's ICE is ill-prepared to do the same in America, at least not without a Reichstag fire-style con job. The National Guard has already started practicing for martial law with their deployment without cause in American cities. Trump behaves as if he has an enabling act to carry out formerly illegal acts.

The number of ICE sponsored murders are increasing as if by design.
do not click if you do not want to witness murder

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 07 Jan 26 - 10:52 PM

Donuel Thank's for the link that I have passed on to many. Trump and his yes men continue to be showed as liars now.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 02:15 AM

the latest shooting of a woman by immgration officewr is outrageous

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 04:05 AM

Indicative of the times under dictators of the past

Is this US of A?

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 06:55 AM

yes

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 08:12 AM

Trump puts a hold on 10 billion dollars in child care. It concerns the democratic states of California, Colorado, New York, and Illinois.

The 2025 Project Trump deconstructionists might fear that Trump is near his decomposition/death, and they must do everything, everywhere, all at once, while he is still above ground.

In my neighborhood, the Goddard Space Library is being dismantled, and sensitive instruments are being roughly moved by amateurs. This is where our top space scientists used to collaborate and conduct advanced research.

If Trump disappears for a long time, my speculation may prove correct, like in the movie Dave, but without an imposter.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 08:34 AM

I am thankful that Ms. Good, who was shot three times in the face by ICE, is not being shown being dragged from the minivan and being laid in the snow.

They do show a physician at the scene being denied giving any medical help to the victim or even checking for a pulse.

The administration is claiming that once again, leftist domestic terrorist Democrats are to blame.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 08:40 AM

“AMERICA IS A GUN

England is a cup of tea.
France, a wheel of ripened brie.
Greece, a short, squat olive tree.
America is a gun.

Brazil is football on the sand.
Argentina, Maradona’s hand.
Germany, an oompah band.
America is a gun.

Holland is a wooden shoe.
Hungary, a goulash stew.
Australia, a kangaroo.
America is a gun.

Japan is a thermal spring.
Scotland is a highland fling.
Oh, better to be anything than
America as a gun.”

By Brian Bilston

Nothing ever changes, does it?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 09:08 AM

Fox News:

“The woman who lost her life was a self-proclaimed poet from Colorado with pronouns in her bio.”

Catch the drift?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 11:55 AM

Start spreading fake news, you're tweeting today
You want to be a part of it, DC, DC
Your kanclebound shoes, they are longing to stray
And schlep around the heart of it, DC, DC
I wanna wake up in that city, that gives the creeps
And find your king of the hill, top of the heap

Your small Queens blues, they're melting away
You'll make a brand-new grift of it, in old DC
If you can make it there, you'll make it anywhere
It's up to you, DC, DC

You better believe it, folks
If you can make it there, you'll make it anywhere
Come on, come on through
dictator swindler
King of the world,

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 11:56 AM

Just heard on UK news: The FBI and some other agency are declining to investigate the shooting in question. Any solid info on that, folks?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 12:01 PM

If Lighter thinks he/them is outing the victim,
she was also the mother of a six-year-old.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 12:03 PM

I was watching an episode of Rick Steves travel program and the visit was to Versailles and Fontainebleau in particular, with a look at the sub-palace behind Versailles and Marie Antoinette's "farm." Trump has many similarities to Louis XVI as someone so vain and dedicated to his own wealth and comfort. Instead of tanks rolling through Washington, D.C., a lot of people would appreciate the sound of tumbrels. I'll bring the yarn and knitting needles.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 12:07 PM

Lighter, I finally caught the drift that FOX gnus is calling the victim a worthless lesbian.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 02:27 PM

Update: the Felon-in-Chief has put his thumb down on the information flow required for a proper investigation of the shooting. Much rabble-rousing turditude from the Vice-Felon, which I carefully decline to listen to. Anyone would think they both know they've something to hide.

Meanwhile, back at the threats to Greenland: Might Denmark's best reply be a flotilla of Viking longboats being rowed up the Potomac, and someone in a horned* helmet setting fire to the White House? but I forget: the Narcissus in Chief has preempted any such move by starting his own Götterdämmerung exercise with JCBs.

.... Sigh: everything that happens is a distraction from everything else that's happening.

* Anachronistic, but His Ripeness wouldn't recognise a Viking without them.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 02:55 PM

--- Ah: the bletherings and forbiddings are all part of the plan: it's all a wind-up exercise. If and when the Democrats can be accused, however falsely, of inciting or (better) initiating violence, bingo! one Caesar-ready state of emergency.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 02:56 PM

Jesse Watters's viewers won't care too much how many children she has. It won't register.

"Self-proclaimed," "poet," "Colorado" [a blue state]," "pronouns in her bio" paint her as a far-left, possibly LGBTQ, weirdo. "Lost her life" not "was killed." Meaning: "sad, but she should have behaved herself." (Weirdos don't often do so.)

The diction is prejudicial: charged language, argument from verbal connotation. Perhaps Fox's broader coverage was fairer (I haven't been listening). Contrast the effect of "a 37-year-old mom from Colorado, whose ex-husband told Fox [as he did CNN] that she'd never taken part in a political protest."

We all use "pronouns." But Fox means a very special kind of pronoun. Otherwise, why even mention?

The Vice-President has very emphatically said that she "lost her life because she tried to ram somebody with a car." Videos from various angles make this statement doubtful at best.

However, because DHS and the President have already called the incident an "act of domestic terrorism," charges almost certainly will never be brought.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 03:14 PM

The VP now says the agent has "absolute immunity" from prosecution because he was "engaging in federal law enforcement action."

So that's that.

Interesting argument.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 03:27 PM

Vance on X:

"Do you think this officer was wrong in defending his life against a deranged leftist who tried to run him over?”

Of course not! (If that's what happened....)

All Democrats are now called "leftists," which in my day was pretty much restricted to socialists and communists.

And not just "leftists": "deranged leftists." This has become a usual phrase. I can't recall even Khrushchev at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis being described as a "deranged" leftist.

And, of course, we don't know if Renee Good was even a Democrat.

(Dems, by the way, who, Stephen Miller warns, "lend aid and comfort to domestic terrorists" like Renee Good.)

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 03:42 PM

> "absolute immunity"

I saw that, and thought they didn't know how to spell "impunity". Like Führer, like stormtrooper.

.... Herself is attempting to detox from the news by watching PBS America, which as usual (and fittingly) is full of Third-Reich documentaries. It occurred to me that, *when* this nonsense in the USSA ends, there should be some equivalent to the Nuremberg trials .... then that the future equivalent to such documentaries covering this era will be narrated in Mandarin.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 03:42 PM

The only ‘deranged’ ones are the fat, ugly, orange baboon and those he surrounds himself with. Even in the gun-crazy US, fleeing from law officers does not carry a summary death-sentence. Why couldn’t that ICE guy have moved aside and let Renée Good’s car pass him by? Why was it necessary to carry out a summary execution?

The US is fucked, completely, absolutely, and utterly.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 03:46 PM

Hm: Nothing will "lend aid and comfort to domestic terrorists" like giving them absolute impunity.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 03:48 PM

--- oops: I inadvertently used a pronoun.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 04:05 PM

> "deranged leftist"

I refer you to Accusation in a Mirror, an expression which it turns out has a long history. It more neatly encapsulates my idea that sinners always accuse others of the sins which they (the accusers) are most familiar with, from the inside, because they're their own.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 04:07 PM

US DOJ Policy on Use of Lethal Force

SpecifIcally, Section A, Points 1 and 2 refer. Seems perfectly clear that the ICE officer is guilty of breaking the rules set out in the Policy.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 05:31 PM

Fighting a big brother Orwellian dictator is not easy.
However they do depend on our despair as their most effective cheap weapon. Do not despair. More people are believing their eyes and ears.

Yes, the Federal Kash PATEL FBI has taken over the Twin City killing investigation, so Governor Walsh and the mayor may not interfere, but they will interfere with the truth. If I know those local officials, the federal Trump propaganda will be opposed.

The governor has called out the National Guard. Will the National Guard end up fighting ICE????????? That would be a trip.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 06:09 PM

Turns out that Good was actually a "37-year-old mother of three."

The back seat of her SUV was filled with stuffed toys for her kids.

Sounds a lot more normal, doesn't it?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 06:11 PM

Karoline Leavitt: [The incident] "occurred as a result of a larger, sinister left-wing movement that has spread across our country" [and put federal immigration agents] "under organized attack."

MAGA supporters marched peacefully on the Capitol yesterday in honor of Ashli Babbitt, the career USAF veteran killed by a police officer while violently smashing into the Speaker's Lobby of the House of Representatives in the forefront of a mob, despite urgent warnings at gunpoint.

The President has described Ms. Babbitt a great patriot.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 06:23 PM

Her ex-husband has also described her as a "devout Christian."

Possibly different from a "MAGA Christian."

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 06:28 PM

One more comment. The President of the United States on his special website explains what happened:


“The woman screaming [after the shooting] was, obviously, a professional agitator, and the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer, who seems to have shot her in self defense. Based on the attached clip, it is hard to believe he is alive, but is now recovering in the hospital. We need to stand by and protect our Law Enforcement Officers from this Radical Left Movement of Violence and Hate!”

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 06:35 PM

I swear this is the last one.

From the New York Times yesterday:

"Asked in a wide-ranging interview with The New York Times if there were any limits on his global powers, Mr. Trump said: 'Yeah, there is one thing. My own morality. My own mind. It’s the only thing that can stop me....'

“'I don’t need international law'.”

That pretty much lays his cards on the table.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jan 26 - 06:38 PM

Well, the video I saw on the ABC (Oz) News site shows no-one being run over or impacted by the vehicle which was being driven slowly in an attempt to make a U-turn, and no obvious cause for the ICE guy to fire point plank into the victim's head, at least three times.

I just watched the two most recently aired (in Oz) episodes of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. A lot of pointed observations were made and one brief comment was that Trump threatened to take action against Iran if any peaceful protesters were injured or killed.

Pot? Kettle? Black? One story for others and another for himself.

Journalist and author Chris Hayes was interviewed and he had some very specific and thought-provoking comments. Well worth watching.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 02:37 AM

Really sorry to see on tv the shooting through the front windscreen of a an ordinary woman going about daily chores

tv shows a partial U turn and an ICE armed soldier run up to the side of her car she tried to complete her journey home and not clear from the tv but ANOTHER soldier it seems shot through the front wind screen

The question is was this part of ICE's brief? Was there evidence that she was an illegal

Minnesota rulers were rightly incensed and yet another instance of misrule

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 04:45 AM

Sorry: typo. Point blank. (I had the "p" upside down - vertical mirror image. Darn this dyslexia! I usually check my typing before hitting the submit button.)

Also, two people have been injured after being shot by US Border Agents in Portland, OR.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 05:44 AM

ICE ambushed Ms. Good by first blocking her with a minivan, causing her to seek an exit. Last year, I called ICE a new Gestapo. It is living up to Gestapo standards. She was guilty of blowing a whistle to warn neighbors of ICE activity. This all took place 7 blocks away from where George Floyd was murdered by police.

Identical to Germany's first detention camp, Dachau, and every subsequent concentration camp, they allowed no mayor or judicial visits. This is identical for US ICE detention centers.

A normalization of martial law tactics will increase up to the next Presidential election coup when the main event will occur.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 08:02 AM

Here is Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal speaking to the House Committee about the Minneapolis murder, and shedding light on the barefaced lies of Noem and the fat, orange baboon. Good on you, Congresswoman!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 08:40 AM

I suspect that brave people like her will be 'dissappeared' when the turnip bans elections because America is in a state of war. :-(

I genuinely fear for what will happen to you guys who oppose him on the front line over ther but believe that you will win in the end. It will be a battle though.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 09:44 AM

God help USA, sorry to say I did warn people over many years not to elect him

Vigilance by those in power and action to prevent War on all sides is now overdue

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 10:02 AM

More from Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal on the bare-faced lies being touted by the shameless, shameful President, the Vice-president, and Kristi Noem.

How could anyone vote for these POS?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 10:43 AM

I promise this will be the last one. One good man’s view. Very well worth watching…

Robert Arnold, Little Rock, Arkansas on the murder by an ICE Agent of Renée Nicole Good

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 10:43 AM

Vance says the only people lying about the ICE shooting are the lunatic fringe on the left. He says the agent who defended himself has absolute immunity. That is not true unless you include a Presidential pardon. It is time to call this ICE action an execution.

This is what MAGA has desired from the President's racist white power authority. Never mind that the victim was a white Christian; she has been pronounced to be a domestic terrorist by the administration. It would be desirable for authoritarian rule to normalize mass murder and executions for obvious control reasons. It's time to nip this in the bud.

Minnesota has already had the assassination of two State Democratic Senators by a MAGA nut dressed and masked as an ICE agent at the victim's home. This year, there have been 2 shootings there, of which one was by ICE.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 11:32 AM

Time to call out the ICE dress code:

* all black;
* masked;
* armed;

.... now which side in a classic Western does that remind you of?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 11:49 AM

Let's not get carried away.

We know it was a "killing." We don't know that it was either (pre-meditated) "murder" or an "execution."

"Charged language" is never helpful to a rational discussion.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 03:40 PM

Charged language is the weapon of Donald J Trump, and it has worked.
I use the word 'execution' appropriately, as a judge, jury, and executioner, in the role of a policeman. It happens far too often.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 03:44 PM

When a weapons-grade stupid leader is told that something is free, as in free money from tariffs, free luxury 747, or free oil, they ignore the actual costs involved. Often, the real costs are astronomical.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 04:21 PM

"It works."

That seems to suggest that rational discussion doesn't work, or doesn't work well enough.

And that may be right. But if so, then what?

The ever-increasing venom have now.

Let's cool it down.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 04:28 PM

When someone shoots a woman in the face 3 times at point blank range and then an ICE agent is heard yelling "fucking bitch" I believe my eyes and ears..
Two seconds before dying, Ms. Good says to her killer, "dude, I'm not mad at you".

Subject: RE: to the tune thats entertainment.
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 04:50 PM

A clown with his pants all on fire
Or the act that's a nightmare of death
Or the scene where the villain is mean
That's execution!

The lights on the lady's car
Or the cop with the gun by his side
Or the ICE where they give it there all
That's execution!

The plot can be hot, simply full of trauma
Or a guy killed by tariffs who used to be a farmer
It could be Oedipus Rex
Where a chap kills his father and causes lots of bother

The clerk who is thrown out of work
By the boss who is thrown for a loss
By the skirt who is doing him dirt
The world is a stage; the stage is a world of entertainment!

It might be a fight like you see on the screen
A king getting slain for the love of a queen
Some great Shakespearean scene
Where police and a gal meet, and then she ends in mincemeat

The guy who was waving the flag
That began with making hate of the fags
Hip hooray! The American way
The world is a stage; the stage is a world of execution!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 02:14 AM

Time will tell so long as no one pushes the button first

US is in a mess looking towards a police state and world domination to acquire by force ALL the mineral deposits possible

This is NOT how it is supposed to work and FREE countries need to express that thought

Bullies bread bullies and rattling the cages of the other super powers is not a good idea

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 02:40 AM

I an getting worried by the stubborn warmonger elected by US who feels that US must come first in every move ~ he has never learnt that his path can only ever have one out come ~ where's the Anderson shelter ~ o that isn't much good now is it

Wake up to this maniac

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 08:13 AM

Depending upon what maniac you ask
its as though it is a fact that

Trump is a transforming god
like Zeus with morals of a dog

Or the second coming who must die
so we can eat pie in the sky

It should best end in cremation
so relic hunters won't face damnation

All that will eventually be left
are Trading cards subject to theft.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 12:00 PM

Going to a march today, making the sign now (something on both sides - don't waste that real estate!)

Here is a long post (I haven't tracked it all of the way back to the first post, the credit from a journalist friend says "from a person on a 'Veterans Against Trump FB page'":

There seems to be a lot of Keyboard attorneys online today. So, as an actual attorney, I'd like to cite actual law. The ICE officer in MN violated both protocol and case law. 1) officers are not allowed to fire into a moving vehicle 2) lethal force is not allowed to prevent someone from fleeing 3) case law is clear, an officer cannot intentionally place himself in front of a vehicle and then allege self defense At best, this officer acted with a reckless disregard for public safety and is guilty of negligent homicide. Federal agents do not have blanket immunity from state laws or criminal prosecution. They can be prosecuted by state authorities for violating state laws if their actions were unauthorized, unlawful, or unreasonable, even if they were on duty.

The concept governing this is called Supremacy Clause immunity. Federal agents are generally immune from state prosecution only if their actions were:

Authorized under federal law; and "Necessary and proper" to fulfill their federal duties.
If a federal agent is charged in state court, they can petition to have their case "removed" to federal court. In federal court, the judge would then determine whether the agent's actions met the "necessary and proper" standard. If the court finds the agent was acting within the reasonable confines of their duties, the state charges will be dismissed. If not, the state prosecution can proceed in federal court, applying state substantive law. It is unlikely any judge would find his behavior necessary and reasonable. The mere fact that no other officer present unholstered their weapon and appear shocked he fired towards them reinforces that fact.

Estate of Starks v. Enyart, 5 F.3d 230 (7th Cir. 1993)
Seventh Circuit – foundational caseFacts:
Officer stepped in front of a slowly moving vehicle and then shot the driver, claiming fear for his life.

Holding (paraphrased):
“An officer may not unreasonably create a physically threatening situation and then use deadly force to escape it.”
Adams v. Speers, 473 F.3d 989 (9th Cir. 2007) Ninth Circuit
Facts:
Officer jumped in front of a vehicle during a stop and then fired.

Holding:
An officer cannot provoke a confrontation and then rely on the danger they created to justify deadly force.
Key language:
The court emphasized that reasonableness includes the officer’s own tactical decisions leading up to the shooting.
Thompson v. Hubbard, 257 F.3d 896 (8th Cir. 2001)
Eighth Circuit
Key point:
The court rejected summary judgment for officers where evidence showed the officer moved into the vehicle’s path, creating the perceived threat.
Abraham v. Raso, 183 F.3d 279 (3d Cir. 1999)
Third Circuit
Facts:
Off-duty officer shot a fleeing driver.

Holding:
The court stressed that pre-seizure conduct matters and that officers cannot rely solely on the “split second” framing if their own actions escalated the situation.
Kirby v. Duva, 530 F.3d 475 (6th Cir. 2008)

Holding:
*Deadly force may be unconstitutional where:
*The officer fired into a moving vehicle
*The officer could have stepped aside
*The threat was self-created
The Sixth Circuit explicitly rejected the idea that a moving car automatically justifies gunfire.
Adams v. Speers, 473 F.3d 989 (9th Cir. 2007)

Holding:
An officer may not intentionally place himself in danger and then use deadly force to neutralize the danger he created — including firing into a vehicle.
The Ninth Circuit emphasized tactical disengagement as the constitutional expectation.
Training & Policy Alignment (Courts Care About This)
Many courts note that modern police training instructs:
*Do not fire into moving vehicles
*Do not use deadly force to stop a fleeing car
*Disengage and contain instead
Courts treat violations of training as evidence of unreasonableness, even if not dispositive.

I've tried to give it line breaks so it is readable, but may have broken his paragraphs of related content in the cases described.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 12:47 PM

Thanks heaps, SRS. Those informed comments from an attorney show a ray of hope for the prospect of a possibly successful state case against the ICE officer.

The comments are very useful about previous cases where an officer stepped in front of a vehicle and claimed to have used lethal force because their own life was threatened.

A ray of hope.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 01:22 PM

SRS, in my post of 08 Jan 26 - 04:07 PM I linked to the DOJ Policy on Use of Lethal Force, which confirms the above. Here it is again, for those who missed it…

DOJ Policy on Use of Lethal Force

It’s perfectly clear from your piece and my link that the ICE officer broke all the rules, and must therefore be guilty of at least ‘Unlawful Killing’ (or whatever the equivalent US offence is), or probably Manslaughter, possibly even Murder.

Why on earth does anyone ignore the evidence of their own eyes and believe the Fat, Ugly, Orange Baboon and his fellow liars?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 02:15 PM

Look on the bright side, BWM. The Police Officer who murdered George Floyd just up the road from Ms Good's murder was convicted and is still serving his sentence. It took a while for the case to be finalised but the right decision was made.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 04:04 PM

Good reality-based summary:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/3-unanswered-questions-day-fatal-234725271.html

The social-media comments are "interesting" in a variety of ways.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 04:22 PM

I just read an ABC (Oz) News article by an analytical journalist who says that the Venezuelan oil is not likely to be as lucrative as expected, so probably not worth the whole invasion exercise.

Has Trump landed a dud with his Venezuelan oil play?

By chief business correspondent Ian Verrender

My summary: The price of oil has plummeted, oil is less likely to be needed to the same extent as now when renewable power becomes more available and less oil based fuel is used for vehicles, and the oil from Venezuela needs a lot more processing than oil from most other areas so its price is usually lower to account for the extra processing costs.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 03:26 AM

It seems the major Oil companies that were invited to invest in Venezuela declined the invitation

Yep keep it up

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 07:21 AM

One presidential pardon makes the laws governing police moot.

When Donald is told of FREE money from tariffs, free luxury 747 or FREE oil he only sees the word FREE and not the costs.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 08:57 AM

Of *course* he's after the Venezuelan oil. It's just like him: heavy crude.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 10:11 AM

Two MAGA Congressmen are arguing that obstruction of police allows summary execution.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 12:02 PM

They are 600% WRONG (see what I did there?). But the MAGATs will fall for the lie of course.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 05:22 PM

Law officers in the United States can shoot someone only to save life, prevent serious bodily injury, or stop a fleeing, armed, violent individual who is likely to kill or injure someone if he escapes.

All members of Congress presumbably know this.