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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 07:57 AM

Winona Ryder has no orifice so small it cannot accept a mangey Dachshund folded twice..............

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 08:01 AM

You bastard. (grin)


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From: goatfell
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 08:07 AM

now now children


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From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 09:27 AM

When addressing criminality the "reason" is called "motive". It doesn't mean we can empathize. But we can't survive if we excuse criminality. Not everyone who has suffered a terrible childhood grows up to be a criminal.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 09:51 AM

Below is taken from here, on Wiki

Well, all right, then- its from Blog-O-Pedia. Has to be true.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 10:07 AM

They should have a special graveyard for people who meet this kind of fate...people like Elvis, Hendrix, Michael Jackson, Marilyn Monroe... On all the tombstones just write:

Killed By Fame


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 10:20 AM

"They should have a special graveyard for people who meet this kind of fate...people like Elvis, Hendrix, Michael Jackson, Marilyn Monroe... On all the tombstones just write:

Killed By Fame"


They might do something like that if Elvis was actually dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 10:23 AM

(Incidentally, I'm waiting (though not watching) for the first tabloid to expose this as MJ faking his death, having plastic surgery (again?!) and assuming a new life and identity so that he could escape his financial woes. Maybe he'll disguise himself as a black man.)


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 10:36 AM

If it were possible to bribe DEATH into returning just one deceased "star", Michael Jackson would be at the very bottom of my candidate list.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: 3refs
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 11:19 AM

I'm a fan of MJ's music, but not all of it. I do however think he was a genius, whether it was forced upon him by an overbearing father or not!
I was a teenager when Farrah caught my attention giving "Broadway Joe" a little rub. I thought of her often....
Ed McMahon's passing has pretty much been put to the back burner, and as a decorated veteran, that's shameful!


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 11:28 AM

Ed who?


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From: number 6
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 11:35 AM

The horse ... that's who LH.

biLL


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From: 3refs
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 11:46 AM

Little Hawk
.......No, I'll just keep my mouth shut!


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 11:50 AM

"I'm a fan of MJ's music, but not all of it. I do however think he was a genius, ... "

Here we go again! Someone claiming that Michael Jackson was a genius. What poppycock! He was a pop singer! He was a front man for a commercial machine that produced noises that some adolescents found pleasing. And many millions more adolescents claimed to find pleasing because they believed all the hype and the bullshit churned out, day in, day out, by an enormous marketing and publicity machine with huge resources at its disposal.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: 3refs
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 12:02 PM

Genius comes in many forms.
So, you think having the ability to take words and put them together in a way that may last forever is poppycock! I'm speechless!


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 12:36 PM

Don't worry, 3refs. I didn't really mean that about Ed McMahon. Just making wisecracks, that was all.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 12:55 PM

I read somewhere that someone had said he was diagnosed with schizophrenia at a young age. While of course I can't confirm this, it does make everything fall into place. You can explain a lot with family dysfunction and excesses of fame and physical problems leading to drug dependence etc., but I don't think you can explain everything. Well, people around the world are certainly mourning and celebrating his life at the same time, and although his music went right over my head I can see his incredible talent. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 01:56 PM

"So, you think having the ability to take words and put them together in a way that may last forever is poppycock!"

"May" being the operative word!


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 01:59 PM

I think Michael was on the Autism Circle, not the Schizophrenic one. So many, many talented people are on that circle, so many geniuses....

It explains his fears, his not wanting to grow up, his puzzlement of the world, his childlike behaviour at times, his innocence and gentleness...and....his immense talent.

So, so many geniuses and deeply talented people are on that circle. The Treasure of Autism so often carries with it such Pain though, but it gives us the Diamonds amongst the Pebbles.....and just for a short while, lights up the world in a different way, bringing in a way of thinking that the Pebbles don't understand, but they know that the Diamonds touch them, make them feel better, leave them so often astounded...

May there always be Diamonds in this world...and may the Pebbles learn from them to think outside the box, to see things from a different angle, to glory in the happiness of children....and.....to wear your pyjamas in the day time. :0)

Diamonds prove that ALL things ARE possible.

I know another Diamond and his music too is something quite extraordinary.

May they shine forever.


And now...back to the Pebbles who have never allowed themselves to be touched by the Sparkles..... :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 02:43 PM

< thread drift >

Categorically refusing to watch television or listen to radio in order to keep one's mind unpolluted strikes me as rather timorous, not to mention rather obsessively, not to mention snobbishly, fastideous, not unlike the kind of person who constantly wears rubber gloves and carries a spray-can of Lysol because they are deathly afraid of germs. It isolates a person from much of what is going on beyond his or her own narrow sphere, while at the same time depriving them of the opportunity to exercise their facilities for taste and judgment. It also leaves them in a very poor position to offer comment on what's going on in the world.

By watching news and commentary as presented by various sources, I learn to winnow the wheat from the chaff (granted, not easy sometimes, considering that there is often very much chaff and very little wheat to be found), and gradually find the more reliable sources and the more honest commentators.

Whereas commercial television offers a great deal of cheesy "entertainment" in the form of crime shows and dumb comedies, PBS gives one the alternative of many fine programs:   science shows, such as "NOVA," history programs such as the excellent documentary series' by Ken Burns, international affairs programs such as "Frontline," and many more.

There are programs like "American Masters" (recent presentation, a two-hour special on Pete Seeger entitled "The Power of Song"). There are also frequent specials featuring all kinds of music, from "Doo-Wop Hits of the '50s" (for those who are into that sort of thing) to "Live from Lincoln Center," featuring symphony concerts, song recitals, and full-length operas (for those who are into that sort of thing).

As far as television drama is concerned, PBS stations are currently running dramatizations of the novels of Jane Austen and Charles Dickens, along with their "Masterpiece Mystery" series currently featuring the novels of Agatha Christie—complete with superb acting and top-level production values. Barbara and I are currently following a gritty British detective series entitled "New Tricks," a team of "retired" police detectives reinvestigating old crimes, either never solved or about which questions still exist.

Even comedies. Current offerings on my local PBS channels are "As Time Goes By" with Dame Judi Dench (Oscar winner) and Geoffrey Palmer and "Good Neighbors" with Felicity Kendall and Richard Briers. Recently "Yes, Minister" and it's sequel "Yes, Prime Minister" with Paul Eddington and Nigel Hawthorn—a hilarious comedy, yes, but at the same time, a marvelous telecourse on how politics really works!

Radio? I listen mostly to my local NPR affiliate. News, commentary, discussion programs in which one is not yelled at or badgered, but in which differing viewpoints are presented and the listener is invited to use his or her own judgment;   News also from Canada, the BBC, and other sources. I also listen to a local classical music station, and another NPR affiliate that doesn't feature local discussion programs, but does play several hours of folk music each day.

No, you can throw your radio and television in the Dumpster, caulk the windows, and hide under the bed with your eyes shut and your fingers in your ears. Or you can look and listen, learn what's going on in the world—and use your MIND.

I am constantly amazed by people who brag that they never watch television or listen to radio and consider anything found on the internet or other public sources to be bogus, who, at the same time, will offer their totally uninformed opinions on the state of the world to anyone who will stand still to listen. Oftentimes they seem to be the ones with the most to say.

Personally, I haven't found my navel lint to be all that informative.

Don Firth

< /thread drift >


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 03:05 PM

"Even comedies. Current offerings on my local PBS channels are "As Time Goes By" with Dame Judi Dench (Oscar winner) and Geoffrey Palmer and "Good Neighbors" with Felicity Kendall and Richard Briers."

I really enjoy those as well (my favorite is Vicar of Dibley). They are like stepping back in time. Freshly naive and polite.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 03:26 PM

"The Vicar of Dibley" is one of our favorites too, John.

This has got to be right up there with the Great Classic Routines, such as Abbott and Costello's "Who's on first?"

Butter.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 04:21 PM

I've been racking my brains to try and remember some of MJ's "immortal words".

Hhhhhmmm! Let's see. There was some drivel on the telly last night about him, and I was in the other room on my computer, and I think I may have caught the "immortal words":

"Beat it ... something, something, something ... yeah, beat it!"

Yep, perhaps you're right - way up there with Chaucer, Shakespeare and Wordsworth ... possibly?


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 04:21 PM

Didn't Michael Jackson die of food poisoning?


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: number 6
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 05:37 PM

No ... your thinking of George Clinton ML boy ... but he didn't die from it .... and contrary to rumours his food poisoning was a result of Maple Leaf cold cuts. I think you would be pleased to hear that.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 05:40 PM

You know...there's another Michael Jackson who was a world famous beer & Scotch reviewer & writer. I have several of his books. He died a couple of years ago, and I'm sort of wishing I had started a thread about him. ...sort of....kinda.... a little bit...


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 05:57 PM

Again I mention that this thread is a great "Boycotting" thread.... Really!!!! really ????????


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 07:03 PM

Ya gotta watch out for #695. If that is the stamp on yer pack of hot dogs... wait... WTF are you buying hot dogs for anyway? Eat sommat healthy, like bacon fer gosh sakes!

Oh... ahhh... sorry... I said earlier I was boycotting this thread. I lied.

I mean, if anyone thinks MJ was not a dance and choreography genius, well... I shall shuffle off.

Oh, yeah... anyone here make a million dollars walking on the moon? You bad.

Seriously, don't take any of it seriously.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: number 6
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 07:32 PM

a real song and dance genius was surely Bill Robinson

Lets Scuffle

No hype and BS needed for this guy ... just pure honest artistry

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 07:33 PM

I'm slightly intrigued by this talk of MJ's music.. Which instrument did he play?
Ocarina perhaps?
No. MJ's music was created by very talented backing musos, often produced by Quincy Jones. I saw him at the side of stage at Wembley many years ago, and I could see the tape machine going round under the stage!
Yes he danced a bit, Jolly good, but I'm pretty sure that he didn't sing a note for real.
But he was bloody good at miming. Thats for sure.
Oh, and did he ever write a song?


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Mooh
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 07:37 PM

Genius enough to squander more money than God. Really, if MJ is a genius, then the likes of Steve Martin ARE Gods.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: heric
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 07:40 PM

I just read in the news that his personal cardiologist couldn't get his personal home defibrillator fired up. seriously.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 09:45 PM

The CTV channel here in Calgary ran a poll about reaction to Michael Jackson's death. Only 40% praised either his music or showmanship, the remaining 60% listed him as a child molester (28%) or of little importance (30+%).
Probably this is due to his limited exposure in western Canada, which was confined to rock radio stations.
He seems to have had a following in England, but little elsewhere in Europe.

In ten years or less he will have been forgotten.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Smokey.
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 10:07 PM

Credit where it's due - he was very good at his job, but that dreadful rat song he did was unforgiveable. What next? ferrets? racing pigeons?


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 10:11 PM

I'll say what I said on the other thread:

Any citing of either Michael Jackson or Elvis as a "genius" is proof positive of language inflation way out of control.   And when you have wild inflation, you get debasement--of anything.

Of course I wouldn't call any pop singer a genius. YMMV.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Smokey.
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 10:17 PM

Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn might have been, but generally I agree, Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 10:50 PM

"Any citing of either Michael Jackson or Elvis as a "genius" is proof positive of language inflation way out of control."

Oh, there's a bit of that, no doubt. On the other hand, genius was inflated beyond its true meaning, so I guess it's a bit of a "turnabout is fair play".   I don't think the "genius" people are referring to with MJ is his singing or his songs. It has more to do with the whole entertainment gig. It's that he innovated the whole song-and-dance package in a way that changed pop music to an even greater extent than many of those who went before in the same category of entertaining (like Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly etc). A whole video industry was virtually built around him, and when he stopped entertaining, that video industry has languished since the late 80s, early 90s. He may be the most influential entertainer of his generation.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: frogprince
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 11:14 PM

Liz said "I think Michael was on the Autism Circle, not the Schizophrenic one"

Forgive me for the drift here: A good friend has an autistic son, now a young adult. When I first saw the boy, then quite young, his father said that the doctors they were working with referred to the condition, at least tentatively, as childhood schizophrenia. Has that line of thought been abandoned?


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 12:46 AM

I don't think it's "language inflation" as much as it is that the word "genius" has two meanings. On the one hand, it means a person of exceptionally high intelligence, like Einstein. On the other hand, it can mean an exceptional talent within a specific field of endeavor. "He has a genius for ________," is pretty common usage. While the two meanings are related,they certainly don't mean the same thing. Having a genius for entertainment may make one an exceptional entertainer, but doesn't make one a genius. Unfortunately, a fair number of people don't make the distinction.

IMHO, the only true genius to have worked in popular music during my lifetime has been Frank Zappa.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: SharonA
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:54 AM

Smokey sez "that dreadful rat song he did was unforgiveable."

Oh gawd, I had mercifully forgotten about "Ben" -- now it's running in my head again like a rat in the walls -- thanks for nothing, Smokey!

To be fair, though, Jackson was only 14 years old when he recorded that piece of dreck. As a minor, I can't fault him for that; he wasn't the one who made the decision to sing it. Heck, any 14-year-old who had been forced to sing that song over and over could have grown into the type of troubled adult MJ was!

According to this article on Examiner.com, the song's lyricist Don Black suggested that MJ record it, after plans to have Donny Osmond sing it (eek!) apparently fell through. So blame Black... and blame him and Walter Scharf for writing the blasted song in the first place.

BTW, "Ben" became MJ's first solo song to reach #1 on the charts. It was nominated for an Academy Award in 1973, believe it or not!! It lost to "The Morning After" from The Poseiden Adventure. Seems it was a bad year for movie songs; the other nominees were "Come Follow, Follow Me", "Marmalade, Molasses & Honey" and "Strange are the Ways of Love." Talk about slim pickin's.


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From: the lemonade lady
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 04:08 AM

cannot believe how gillible the whole world is... MJ is not dead. He never needs to perform again, he's had practice having not performed for 10 years. He's been flown out and operated on so that he is unrecognisable. He was millions of dollars in debt, now he's 'dead' this will be paid off by all of you buying for his albums, visiting Never Land, and donating to 'the cause'. No bailing out by his family now! All of this crap about his Dr being under suspicion is just a smoke screen, a decoy. Wouldn't you lie for a good pay off? Take the wrap even?


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 04:21 AM

About 4 years ago someone posted his death on mudcat for a hoax but it was deleted... I have a copy of it somewhere.

cannot believe how gillible the whole world is... MJ is not dead. He never needs to perform again, he's had practice having not performed for 10 years. He's been flown out and operated on so that he is unrecognisable. He was millions of dollars in debt, now he's 'dead' this will be paid off by all of you buying for his albums, visiting Never Land, and donating to 'the cause'. No bailing out by his family now! All of this crap about his Dr being under suspicion is just a smoke screen, a decoy. Wouldn't you lie for a good pay off? Take the wrap even?

"The nature of Jackson's foibles weren't extraordinary, though their magnitude and their reverberations might be. His finances were a shambles, but so were Ed McMahon's; Jackson's debt, however, was measured in the hundreds of millions of dollars and his assets included publishing rights to hundreds of Beatles songs and the famous, or infamous, Neverland Ranch outside Santa Barbara. Attempts to untangle his personal finances involved Citigroup, Bank of America and Goldman Sachs, Wall Street institutions more accustomed to resuscitating patients such as AIG and General Motors. The luminaries who flocked to his side to lend their assistance in his many hours of need while basking in his reflected glow included Ron Burkle, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Johnnie Cochran. Who was exploiting whom in these relationships? It's impossible to say."


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: SharonA
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 06:12 AM

Interesting theory about MJ, lemonade lady, but are you seriously suggesting that the Los Angeles County Coroner's office is in on this "hoax"?? Sorry, but I can't imagine that the professionals there would be willing to put their careers in jeopardy by making statements about Jackson's body, just so that they could help MJ slip out from under his debts and his obligation to perform a scheduled European tour.

Would MJ's doctor lie for a good payoff? Perhaps if he is unscrupulous. But the coroner's office doesn't have a reason to lie or to risk creating a scandal by accepting a payoff.

Everyone has to die sometime. Why is it so hard for you to believe that this was MJ's time?


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 07:05 AM

I can't believe how gullible the world is - everyone knows that MJ really died back in 1984 during the filming of the Pepsi advert, supposedly emerging as this white guy in 1987 with Bad. And we all fell for that one, didn't we? The real MJ, it is said, is buried beneath the scenic railway in Neverland. Or maybe this is him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_IsJbgZDTw


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 09:39 AM

Like many here,I didn't like his music.

Like many here, I thought that he was weird.

Like many here, I could not see the point of the colour change, given that he was already a black superstar.

Unlike many here, I don't profess to be wiser than the jury who, after HEARING ALL THE EVIDENCE, found him not guilty.

Unlike many here, I don't think being weird is grounds for claiming guilt.

Unlike many here, I don't begrudge his fans their grief, their adulation of the man, or their love of the music he gave them.

He is DEAD! Dead is neither guilty nor innocent, neither genius nor fool. May he rest in peace when the world has tired of picking him apart.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Mooh
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 10:34 AM

I do wonder how the passage of time will affect the memories of him. The memory...um, history...of music may record his contributions more accurately than the current hyperbole. In my mind he was no Frank Zappa, Ella Fitzgerald, Jimi Hendrix, J.S.Bach, Glenn Gould, or Django Reinhardt, all of whom, I suppose, had eccentricities. I suspect that he will be the longest footnote in history, rather than the influence many believe. Time will tell.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: pdq
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 10:50 AM

Crediting popular entertainers with great intelligence is usually a mistake.

Much of what they do is instinctive.

No evidence that Elvis or Natalie Maines is bright at all, and George Jones in dumber than a tree stump.

Some geniuses are (were) Frank Zappa, Ian Anderson and Chris Hillman. Chris earned a Phd in math at the age of 54.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 11:19 AM

"Chris earned a Phd in math at the age of 54."

and Brian May of Queen earned a PhD in Astro-physics at about the same age...your point is what exactly?


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 11:22 AM

The upside to all this is that Paul McCartney MAY get ownership back, to his own songs


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: PoppaGator
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 01:07 PM

I had no intention of starting one of these never-ending discussion threads. I'm almost sorry now that I typed anything, because my whole point was to express my disappointment that we were about to face days and weeks of obsessing over Michael Jackson.

Also, please note that my opening (and, until, only) post including nothing negative or critical about Michael Jackson's music, most of which I've always liked, to a greater or lesser extent.

I enjoyed the Jackson Five stuff when it was new, but not especially more than I enjoyed the Tempts, the Four Tops, Martha and then Vandellas, Junior Walker & the All-Stars, or any other Motown act.

The more recent work is fine with me, too. It's unavoidable "life soundtrack," for one thing; here in New Orleans, we've heard the most popular of those songs every Mardi Gras season, as so many high school marching bands in the nightly parades always play each year's biggest pop hits. (If you haven't heard the St. Augustine Marching 100 play "Don't Stop Til You've Had Enough" under the flmbeau-lit oaks of St Charles Avenue, you haven't lived!)

I am simply disturbed by the Stalinesque cult of personality that has developed over the last 2-3 decades surrounding just about any "celebrity," and just DON'T WANNA HEAR ABOUT the (inevitably controversial) death of the biggest celebrity of all.

I will now stoop to make a couple of mildly negative observations that I had omitted till now:

~ Michael was, obviously, a talented singer and dancer. However, I have my doubts about enshrining him as a "musical genius" in the class of, say, Stevie Wonder. The real brains behind MJ's solo career, behind the sound of all his hits since he began performing under his own name rather than his family's, has been a TRUE genius, Quincy Jones.

~ Similarly, while he deserves some credit as a canny businessman who forsaw the power of an overlong music video, he was never a filmmaker. I'm sure his contribution of his own dance moves was essential to the success of the "Thriller" video, and I suppose he participated in the group choreography as well. However, most of the adulation he's getting about the video(s), it seems to me, is simply stealing the thunder from the director(s) and videographer(s).

Can we quit this ? Soon?

PS: I read only about halfway through this amazingly long thread this morning, after the long weekend; it got to a point where I simply could no longer continue. So then I just scrolled to the bottom to write this. (I got as for as where Little Hawk addressed me personally to write "yeah, sure, whatever.")


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