Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: theleveller Date: 28 Jan 10 - 10:12 AM Sorry, Lizzie & Co, but I, for one, am finding this all very confusing. I must be missing something - no. no. no...on reflection, I really don't want to know!!!!!!! In this case, ignorance really is bliss. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Tim Leaning Date: 28 Jan 10 - 05:35 PM More baffled than the exhaust on a moped that has just been freshly re baffled by the baffle shop at the local department of baffling. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Noreen Date: 28 Jan 10 - 05:58 PM :0) Back to the subject- I like the video and the song! |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: taddylad Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:23 PM Well I have been finding out some more about Show of Hands and I now have changed my mind about them a little bit as I have seen a lot of them playing on such Websites as YOU TUBE (which is a brilliant Website)on which they have done some really good Folk songs. So it seems they are quite popular and have a lot of fans,because of the way they put things over, with there singing and one of them is really good on the fiddle. I still think that vandelism is not good and what they did was "over the top" but there song is about how the banks etc caused so many problems in the country and alot of people are quite upset too about them. Its like the old "protest" songs that Donovan and Bob Dylan used to write about. Mind you not all Folk groups were like that, eg the Spinners,the Yetties etc or Simon and Garfunkle. I have also seen that they might get an award by the BBC,which I will definatly vote for them, and I hope that some of the people who have written here might too, especially there fans like "Borchester Echo", "aeola" and Noreen. And I hope that people who don't like them,eg "mandotim", "bubblyrat" and Lizzie Cornish etc etc might check the Internet a bit more to change there minds like I did. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: GUEST,eric the viking Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:41 PM Good on yer Noreen. I don't think this is their best album though I have almost everything they have ever made including Anglicana bought in Brussels when we stayed with Richard. It seems a shame that (not them) there is such a "marmite" type polorisation with SoH. I do like A I G and recognise the sentiment behind the words. Poppy? I suppose so but SoH are like that. It's not finger in yer ear folk but it is folk style and folk music must carry through the years and social changes reflecting change. Most things evolve and folk music does and will do. Just look and listen to the way young musicians carry it off. When asked why they have never played in Scotland, Steve said. "We've never been asked". so there is chance for them to get over the Border yet. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Soldier boy Date: 28 Jan 10 - 09:40 PM Sorry taddylad, but I've been wracking my brain about what reminds me about the 'style' in which you communicate and it suddenly came to me in a flash........it's Tom Hanks (great actor!) in the film 'Forrest Gump' - "life is like a box of chocolates" and all that! You're a dead ringer man - have you been taking lessons - or are you the real Forreat Gump? I think that you are just taking the piss here and that I have revealed you!.......but why go to all that effort and for what reason? You are obviouslly not who you say you are so come clean and stop the silly games! |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:16 AM fans like "Borchester Echo" For the avoidance of any doubt (and to save any Crumpled Goats that may be reading this from choking over their cornflakes), my assessment of the work of SoH has been unchanged since their formation 15 or so years ago. The ONLY thing I don't like about Beer & Knightley is SoH. Got that? |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 29 Jan 10 - 03:27 AM Teeheee! I'm not quite a crumpled goat, yet.....but boy, am I chuckling! Me, the Enemy....and You, the Fan! Who'd a thunk it, huh? LOL Hey, Sweetums, are you wearing your Seth Lakeman Bra *with* your Show of Who knickers this morning? ;0) Oops, there goes another cornflake! |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: GUEST,Mary Brennan Date: 29 Jan 10 - 05:14 AM Still gloating. And you wonder why people are nasty to you. I was rather upset that you deleted me from you My Space page as I enjoyed most of what you said and agreed with you a lot of the time. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:00 AM No, I'm not gloating, Chris...I just think it's very, very funny, that's all. You have to read my posts with humour on this one, trust me, because I truly am spluttering out my cornflakes. I do think that it's a great shame however, that SoH's new fans AREN'T writing about them...er...at all...other than to say they er...don't like their music...but er...that's what they guys want, because they love the vitriol and not the praise. So be it, for who am I to upset them? :0) |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Edthefolkie Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:09 AM I'll send Miranda down to sort you lot out in a minute! She's got a strong right arm you know...... |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignor From: Ruth Archer Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:14 AM As my name has been mentioned - Why do they need me writing acres of fawning adulation about them on messageboards? I'm pretty sure that, when Phil wrote that public message to you, he said that was exactly what he didn't want. In any case, I'm not a fangirl - I'm an event organiser. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:57 AM Yeah, but..er...it took his SIX years to say it.... Now if *only* he'd said it six years back, I'd have not only been saved an awful lot of shite from your folks, but...I could have concentrated far more on Those Gorgeous Oysters! By the way, the even more Gorgeous Jim Causley played The Oysterband on Sunday! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! That's the way to do it, Jim! :0) |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: mandotim Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:02 AM Taddylad; I'm feeling a bit misunderstood. I think you missed the dripping irony in my original post. I like a lot of what Show of Hands do, I do a couple of their songs now and again, and I particularly like what they do to help promote up and coming acts like Isambarde, who are recording with Phil Beer at the moment. 'Not pulling up the ladder after you' is a worthy trait in my book. SoH have worked bloody hard to get where they are, and that deserves respect, even if their music doesn't suit one's personal taste. For Lizzie; I'm not a new fan. I first saw them in Leek as a little-known folk duo twenty years ago, having listened to their stuff before that. Judging by your recent, rather hyper posts, I'd say it's probably a good time to review the medication. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignor From: Ruth Archer Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:05 AM Most bands would find having to publicly confront a fan and asking them to desist their obsessive behaviour rather unseemly and embarrassing, which is probably why it took them so long to say anything. But as your behaviour was clearly even more embarrassing, you finally drove them to it. Well done. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:16 AM Who's Chris? |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:29 AM Sounds like there's a few folks on this thread who need to get some blood coursing through their veins, because they sure are comin' over as fuddyduddies with their po-faced attitude about Show of Who. So...I recommend they take a good dose of Those Gorgeous Oysters, at least 5 times a day, with food, and beer, and they'll soon find the blood pumping through their bodies and souls again, for The Oysterband not only make brilliant music, but have the best fans in the world who are intensely loyal and friendly...and to whom the band returns that loyalty.... The Oysterband myspace |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:43 AM And thoroughly likeable chaps as well. When the Oyster Ceilidh Band were booked at our festival 3 members stayed at our house (albeit thay had more hair then - like me!) and we had a very enjoyable time. So much so that when I heard about the first 'Big Session' festival I went without hesitation - Only been twice now but looking forward to going back. Any other fans of the Oysters going this year? Cheers DeG |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Morris-ey Date: 29 Jan 10 - 08:41 AM A woman spurned, eh? Wonder how long "Those Gorgeous Oysters" will tolerate the stalking... |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: taddylad Date: 29 Jan 10 - 10:11 AM Dear Borchester Echo I'm sorry I called you Mr before, as you are obviously a lady but I still dont understand how one minute you say you like Show Of Hands and then you say you do'nt |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Morris-ey Date: 29 Jan 10 - 10:18 AM She did not say she liked SoH, in fact she made it quite clear she does not like SoH. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jan 10 - 10:21 AM Taddyperson: I am not a Mr, a "lady" nor a SoH "fan". I am a writer who certainly likes the musicians concerned but preferably when they are doing something other than watered down soft rock catering mainly for women of a certain age who like travelling on coaches to the Albert Hall. Part of what Phil Beer was driven to say to madlizziecornish was: What I do NOT wish to be portrayed as is a member of some form of geriatric Boy Band. This sort of adulation is utterly embarrassing and I'd really like it to stop now. That was almost a year ago. I do so hope John Jones won't be driven to have to paraphrase this plea not to be stalked. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: theleveller Date: 29 Jan 10 - 11:07 AM "I do so hope John Jones won't be driven to have to paraphrase this plea not to be stalked" Hopefully, he'll just walk away on a rising road. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 29 Jan 10 - 11:12 AM The thing is, Diane..I *never* called them a Boy Band...er..you did. You're the one who ridiculed them, I only ever supported and stuck up for them, in the face of all the vitriol. As I said, six years is a long time in journalism...and The Lovely Oysters have me on their Myspace page, so I think I'm OK there...as they know I'd never stalk them, never did with Show of Who either, who I've never met, and who've never met me. But that wasn't part of your 'She's a STALKER!' plan, huh? Anyways ups, long and short of it is that you and I seem to have swopped places in Phil's eyes, and YOU're the one he idolises... Hey, it wasn't YOU at that gig he mentioned, was it? The one I thought was Madame Intelligenisa? The one poor Phil thought was me, who sent him running to the messageboards in absolute panic? Aha! Now it's all becoming clear! It was 'La Borchester' who presented herself to him, in her 'I Love Steve & Phil' T Shirt, slobbering romantically over her new heroes... LOL :0) |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 29 Jan 10 - 11:15 AM I am soooo spluttering down here...this is soooo funny! Any minute now, Madame Pomposity will be along telling me off and saying how dreadful I am. I wish messageboards could giggle... |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jan 10 - 11:23 AM Yet another point of clarification: I criticised you for fawning over SoH as a "boy band", and this is precisely what Phil Beer objects to as well. He's a serious musician, as are the Oysterband, as they have been for decades. Can't you understand and respect that? |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Jan 10 - 11:26 AM I still don't know who Chris is... |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:35 PM I'm with you Mr Gnomo....Nope, I don't know who Chris is either... Chris Patten? Chris de Burgh? It's a mystery wrapped in an enigma, thats for sure |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:47 PM I found it more of a mysery in an enima but then again, I'm uncouth... :D |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: glueman Date: 29 Jan 10 - 03:07 PM Can't bear SoH, they belong in the pit with only the Oyster Band for cushioning. Like listening to a pub drunk's rant set to some quite nicely played music. In fact I shall go and see them at Holmfirth and watch whether they're as unsympathetic in the flesh as they sound on record. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 29 Jan 10 - 04:27 PM No, that wasn't 'fawning' it was supporting...and Phil was quite happy to have it going on for many a long year, as we Steve...The ONLY time they asked me to stop, Sweetums, was just before 'Witness' came out, as Vaughan, their manager, contacted me on Myspace to politely ask if I'd lay low, so that people could make up their own minds... That was right after you and I had had a real barney over the first playing of a track from that CD, by Chris from Reading Uni, who knew Steve and who, as I recall, was the inspiration behind ones of the songs Steve wrote...Darn it, can't recall which one now, but it was one of the major ones...Was it 'Roots'??? I think it was... And that's when Steve wrote 'All Quiet on the Western Front', as he thanked me for keeping quiet..and I told the person who was acting as the intermediary between us that he was not to worry, it would be 'all quiet on the South Western Front' from now on...and he told me that had given him an idea for a song... So, far from you and your buddies trying as hard as you can to infer that Show of Hands were hiding in cupboards at the mere mention of my name, they weren't. And let's face it, if Steve had really felt the way you all make out, he'd not have wanted to be reminded of any of my words, let alone get a sudden urge to write a song from them... However, Phil is now recording many of the acts that you hold dear, and the Traddies have become a bit special to him, so when I mentioned that a Show of Hands gig would probably be far more exciting at Cecil Sharpley House, than a Walter Pardon exhibition, or something along those lines, the shite hit the fan, and I've no doubt you all went running to teacher, aghast at 'the evil woman's words' for taking the name of Walter in vain....DESPITE the fact that I'd helped Sam make a Walter page on his Albion Chronicles....but heyho.. Er...it WAS only a joke you know...although I know they're not allowed in the English Folk World. ;0) Anyway, Sweetums, it's almost time to change into your Show of Who pyjamas and snuggle down on your 'I Love Steve & Phil' pillow... I'm off to listen to this again....GREAT song! REAL folk music! :0) And I tell you what, I bet those Gorgeous Oysters could do a fantastic version of that song! |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: GUEST,suegorgeous nearly home again Date: 29 Jan 10 - 05:44 PM This is getting more surreal by the post.... |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:12 PM I know...it's fun, isn't it, Sue. The Show of Hands threads were always great fun...and Sweetums and I had a whale of a time. That was nothing compared to life in Longdogs though...their fansite...Now THAT was REALLY fun! We had Girl's Dorms in there, where the boys weren't allowed, and smileys shaped like settees, to hide behind...in fact, there were even Smilies that er...erm....got up to all sorts of surreal things! Ah, happy days... Even Ian Anderson used to enjoy the SoH threads.. ;0) Good times.. Ho hum... |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:00 PM OK, and in honour of the Good Times, let's get this thread really rockin', 'cos if you don't mind me saying, Show of Hands new 'fans' within the Traddie world are absolutely bloody useless at supporting them. So here goes.... Yeah, I watched the video....and I thought it was great! Hear No Evil, See No Evil and definitely Speak No Evil set about plastering London in AIG posters, whilst following the Wankerbankers into their London watering holes where we see them living their idle lives, throwing back the booze, ordering the rich meals...walking the City streets with their bulging briefcases, on their way home to their opulent lifestyles. And as they go through the gates of their luxury homes, putting their car in the garage, cars which cost more than 'we' earn in a year, they laugh....Laugh at all of us peasants, who have been practically bankrupted. We sit out on the streets, homes lost, jobs lost, families lost, hope lost...... Hear No Evil See No Evil Speak No Evil It is as if we have all taken a Silent Pill, one that renders us helpless from coherent, rational thought! We have all been so blind, so deaf, so damned dumb! Even now, whilst these bastards are STILL paying themselves vast bonuses, putting two fingers up to the very people who have bailed them out, we still refuse to hear the evil, see the evil, speak about the evil! We are all going to bloody hell on a bloody handcart here and WHAT is happening?????? WHAT are we doing??????????????????? Well, I'll tell you what we're doing! FUCK ALL! I have recently spoken to those from local TV and Radio and Newspapers and not one of the bastards has an OUNCE of courage to print the truth! "We hear what you say, Lizzie, but....we can't let that out on air, because we may get sued." "We hear what you say, Lizzie, but....we can't put that in the paper because we may get sued." HELLOOOOOOOO?????? You CANNOT be sued for telling the TRUTH!! When did Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak Of No Evil take over our lives? When did Arrogance, Ignorance and Greed BECOME a way of life that is deemed acceptable??????? How do we keep voting in Cutthroats, Crooks and Conmen, time after time?? Someone, somewhere, sometime, has to stand up and SEE the evil, HEAR the evil, SPEAK about the evil.... Show of Hands are trying their damndest to get that message out, and it is up to each and every one of US to ensure they do. It's up to every radio presenter, regardless of his political leanings, his folk leanings, his Lizzie leanings to get off his backside and stop playing songs about larks in the morning and put this song on time after time after time! And do I think this video is over the top????? Are you bloody kidding me, taddyladdy???? This video is as excellent as Country Life and Roots and should be spread right across everyone's Facebook page en masse so that it makes into the major papers... "Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed Revolt Hits Facebook BIGTIME!" WE are the ONLY ones who can change what is going on around us, not our politicians for they are as crooked as the bankers. But it is the Corporate Bastards who rule this world and it is going to take the whole damn world united to stand up them, such is the Absolute Power they now have. And THAT is the power of Show of Hands songs! And that is why Mr. Phil Beer shot himself in the foot, because Phil, whether you and Steve like it or not, your music, your songs have always had a bloody powerful effect on my mind, which connects with the subjects in your songs, because they are the very things that mean so damned much to me! So I take back my promise of never writing about your music again, because this message needs to get out and get out BIGTIME! And as to the posters? Was the bill sticking OTT? No, of course it bloody wasn't, in fact, they should ensure that those posters find their way onto the walls of every single bank in this country! |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignor From: Ruth Archer Date: 29 Jan 10 - 09:04 PM from Phil Beer: "Ok Enough now!! I pass through these boards once every couple of weeks but simply don't have time to peruse them regularly. I'm too busy gigging or recording and they are my priorities in life. I'm far more concerned with doing it than talking about it. Please forgive me posting this in one thread when it is relevant to several, and indeed to other boards as well. (Please feel free to cut and paste, anyone who chooses to!) The last bit of this piece is completely relevent to the thread. LC. I don't know who you are, only that you are from my patch and seem to have seen us rather more times than is, perhaps, healthy. Maybe I spoke to you even on the last two local shows . I don't know. I understand that you mean well and that you feel you are championing some sort of cause on our (and indeed others) behalfs. Let me explain a bit about this internet place. Its not a universal fanzine. Its a genre specific place of chat and discussion for a bunch of folks, many of whom have a great deal of knowledge and indeed expertise in their subject. I know many of them as both friends and acquaintances. My band makes music that has one of its (Possibly cloven) hooves in this place and the other three 'Out There' in the rest of the world. Many of the folks here consider themselves as (self appointed) guardians of something rare and precious. I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with this. All I ask is that they maintain visiting hours so that I can get on with building the new wing (Crap metaphor, sorry!) whilst having access to the edifice. (Also a self appointed task) Virtually everyone contributing here decided whether they liked/disliked our music more than 15 years ago. Our task is as always to bring the music to a wider audience and whether or not anyone here likes or dislikes us is not relevant. What is important now is that I must try and make you understand the difference between things like, say, the Folk Awards, the Mercury Prize and the EFDSS badge. They serve their purposes in order to obtain a degree of status in the world at large. They give us something to say about ourselves in press releases and are sometimes good for the personal ego. Thats all. When Ian A pushed for the EFDSS badge for Walter Pardon, it was an entirely and utterly different ball game. The EFDSS at that juncture was internally and politically in a very odd place in which song took a very poor back seat to dance ( Hence---DEAFASS the Dance Earnestly And Forget About Song Society) I never bothered with the Sidmouth festival in my younger days because it was 90% dance oriented. This small but significant internal award to Walter was actually very very important in terms of getting the powers to recognise that here was a person of great stature and importance as a real, living, singing, purveyor of traditional song. None of us can ever be that. At best, if we're very lucky, some of what we do may pass into the song line. It would be good to think so, however, nothing that we do can possibly be compared to what Walter actually WAS (To quote SK). Please Lizzie. I'm delighted that you like our music. We are absolutely clear about who we are, what we are doing, and where its going. I just turned 56 last week. I still have the will and the energy and the best is yet to come. I can handle any form of abuse, misconception, or downright vitriol. What I do NOT wish to be portrayed as is a member of some form of geriatric Boy Band. This sort of adulation is utterly embarrassing and I'd really like it to stop now. Sorry to take up everyone elses time. I'm delighted that the EFDSS is in the shape its in now. It bodes well for the future. We are not just passing through, we are taking it with us. Keep the doors open and the pages turning!!! Phil (Should be in the studio) Beer" |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Abdul The Bul Bul Date: 29 Jan 10 - 09:33 PM Well taddylad, as a Yorkie, I congratulate you on the reaction you received and I am sure you anticipated. Mind you, it's this stuff that although funny and as you illustrate, so predictable, has made Mudcat less a part of my day. Al |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: The Borchester Echo Date: 30 Jan 10 - 05:24 AM Phil Beer made that post in May last year, along with a number of other luminaries fed up to the back teeth of madlizziecornish's interminable, unbelievably misinformed mawkish mumblings. Among them Eliza Carthy who, as EFDSS vice president, thundered at her to keep her hands (and lying tongue) well away. Most heartfelt was this passage: What I do NOT wish to be portrayed as is a member of some form of geriatric Boy Band. This sort of adulation is utterly embarrassing and I'd really like it to stop now. Far from "shooting himself in the foot, he's more than likely on the point of putting the bullet through his head right now. I really hope he's not reading this although he does, from time to time, being an incurably masochist. I'd like him to know that his long-awaited box set is much appreciated. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Tim Leaning Date: 30 Jan 10 - 05:46 AM "When did Arrogance, Ignorance and Greed BECOME a way of life that is deemed acceptable???????" About the time you all voted for Mad Maggie Thatcher to douse us in her royal wee? |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: scouse Date: 30 Jan 10 - 09:34 AM Who the F**k are "Show of Hands"???? As Aye, Phil. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: glueman Date: 30 Jan 10 - 09:42 AM Nah, they still sound like a 1977 lyric stuck on some acoustic strings. A bit we mean it maaan for my tastes but hey. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Smedley Date: 30 Jan 10 - 11:00 AM A very astute summary, glueman. Still enjoying Taddylad's wonderful, parodic posts. (The Yetties indeed....) |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 30 Jan 10 - 01:44 PM Now, of course, a decent, honest person would have pointed out that the post from Phil Beer, above, was from months ago, relating to a different thread... Thank you to Diane,(La Borchester) though, for doing exactly that. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Ruth Archer Date: 30 Jan 10 - 01:48 PM I'm not aware that his, or Steve's, feelings have changed. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: The Borchester Echo Date: 30 Jan 10 - 02:06 PM I mentioned that Phil Beer wrote what he did 8 months ago in order to emphasise that in the intervening time you had done nothing whatsoever to comply with his and others wishes that you shut the fuck up. He also said: Please forgive me posting this in one thread when it is relevant to several, and indeed to other boards as well. (Please feel free to cut and paste, anyone who chooses to!) The first time I realised that these artists were so dismayed by your antics was when I heard that Steve Knightley was asking nervously at the Folk Awards 5 years ago: "She's not here, is she? Do set the poor blokes' minds at rest and confirm that you are not going next Monday. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 Jan 10 - 02:11 PM Bought the CD in Sevenoaks this afternoon, and excellent it is too. Great Mexican lunch in Zapata - wasn't that a spaghetti western character played by Lee Van Cleef? |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 30 Jan 10 - 02:28 PM As I replied to the post above, at the time...I've not seen Show of Hands for well over 2 years now. I have also, as you well know, never met either of them. And why would you think that Steve Knightley would even begin to imagine I was at the Folk Awards, Diane? Look, just so as you two get this straight...I used to write to someone who was in contact with Steve and Phil all the time, and at no time was there ever any mention of Steve shaking in his shoes, nor of Phil crying in his bedsocks at night over me...Honest! :0) I was also in contact with Vaughan, their manager, over on myspace, about a few things now and then, and again, Vaughan always wrote to me in a polite, kind manner. And it's a mystery, ain't it, why Steve would have written his song on Cruel River, which he was inspired to write because of my saying that 'all would be quiet on the South Western Front' from now on'..and he wrote to thank me for that little bit of inspiration, via our mutual friend. I'm sorry if that incenses you, girls, but...c'est la vie. Oh, and if you can find anything remotely 'boybandish' in my post from last night about where their song 'Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed' takes me, then please post the slobberings here....because it seems to me that you guys read completely different posts to the ones I put down. Now stop moaning at ME and get yourselves writing about your new heroes, because we're all gettin' awful fed up of you both posting Phil Beer's letter all the time, in the vain hope that it'll embarrass the hell out of me. If a song is good, I'll write about it, although I'd prefer to have the utmost respect for those who've written it, but there ya go..I wrote about it, now you girls go off and write about it too, because the world would LOVE to know what you think, rather than your continuous boring 'Lizzie's been rejected!' syndrome.... If you like Steve and Phil so much, respect them so much, then bloody well stop copying and pasting and use your own words to write inspirational words about them. Thankooooo :0) |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Ruth Archer Date: 30 Jan 10 - 03:43 PM Of course Vaughan was polite when he responded to your e-mails. That's his job. But he told me this summer that he dearly hoped, with Phil's public statement, that they'd finally heard the last from you. I told him not to bank on it. Steve also e-mailed me last year to apologise for the abuse I was getting from you in their "defense". Which was nice, as we've since become quite friendly. It is very clear that the whole of the Show of Hands team would be very happy if you would simply leave them alone. But if you persist in embarrassing yourself in this manner, I guess there's little to stop you, save a restraining order. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 30 Jan 10 - 05:25 PM Lizzie. I'm eternally grateful that you don't like me anymore. Best thing thats ever happened to me. |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 30 Jan 10 - 05:39 PM It bears repeating. (Sorry lizzie if it's not quite an accurate quote) "Walking down Sidmouth sea front, one night. Passing the Bedford Hotel... In one room there was Patterson, Jordan, Dipper.....In the other...There were musicians." Sort of sums it up for me. Look forward to seeing you, Lizzie at the Radway musos re-union in a few weeks time. (Bet you don't turn up though) |
Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 30 Jan 10 - 08:14 PM "Of course Vaughan was polite when he responded to your e-mails. That's his job. But he told me this summer that he dearly hoped, with Phil's public statement, that they'd finally heard the last from you. I told him not to bank on it." Vaughan was very nice to me when I told him he had some BNP blokes on the Show of Hands page a while back now. He did drive me bats though by refusing to play full Show of Hands tracks on their Myspace page, or alter the tracks. It's why I never played a Show of Hands track on my Myspace page ("What?" they all said, in shocked surprise)...because I won't ever play samples of a track. If people want their music heard, then let it BE heard, don't snippet and snappet it. Bad move on his part. "Steve also e-mailed me last year to apologise for the abuse I was getting from you in their "defense". Which was nice, as we've since become quite friendly." No surprises there then.. ;0) And it was very gracious of him to do so, after you'd said you'd rather stick pins in your eyes than listen to their music. It's amazing, ain't it, how popular you can become when you start to be the artistist director of Sidmouth Festival...and when you know Dashing Derek too... ;0) I do hope that you were equally gracious to Steve for your rude and insensitive remarks about his music...and that you've learnt never to do that to any artist again. "It is very clear that the whole of the Show of Hands team would be very happy if you would simply leave them alone." Er....I do leave them alone, dinkums. And, for your information, it was me who zapped their pages from mine...but again, that was a strange one, because if they loathed me as much as you state, then why did Phil allow me on his Chudleigh Roots page and Steve on his solo page, let alone Vaughan on the Show of Hands page....and if you ever took the trouble to notice, I never left messages on their pages, nor embarrassed the hell out of them on Myspace in any way.. I did write a very extensive review of their Royal Albert Hall gig, but removed it, despite the lovely comments I had on there from people who were there at the gig, or had missed it and felt they were 'almost there' after reading it and seeing those smashing photos that were taken of the evening... "But if you persist in embarrassing yourself in this manner, I guess there's little to stop you, save a restraining order." Eh? Hang on a mo.....I'm not embarrassed, but you're trying your best to do that to me... Time to bring in 'guest eliza' and 'guest phil' again, I guest...in fact, let's not stop there, let's bring in 'guest steve' and 'guest vaughan' 'guest miranda' and 'guest brad'.... Although, Brad's a strange happening, 'cos I heard it was Brad who made the Sidmouth Gestapo video...and he was the only person in Myspace who ever refused to be a 'friend' on my page...out of over 1,000 people...which is kinda weird.. Anyways oops...I'll leave you to froth at the mouth in here now, whilst ignoring 'guest ralph' totally. I'm off to bed... |
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