I walked out of session

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 03:55 PM

"you really can't fake proper speech. Not to one who knows."

I know a certain Professor Higgins who would beg to differ.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 04:15 PM

Anybody with any "class" would continue playing in the face of all adversity. The orchestra on the Titanic set the ultimate example regardless that their ship was also going down. Don't walk.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: kendall
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 07:17 PM

The musicians on the Titanic had no where to go.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: number 6
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 09:49 PM

"The orchestra on the Titanic set the ultimate example regardless that their ship was also going down. Don't walk."

good one Guest!! LoL

biLL

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Soldier boy
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 11:09 PM

Some recent postings here are talking absolutely bollocks.
Stay true to the theme of the thread or go away.
Can't you get the hint that you are not wanted and are polluting a good thread started with good intent from someone who innocently started a thread inviting well considered and decent contributions.
Or do yo have no concept of what is considered, fair and decent?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 11:21 PM

"The musicians on the Titanic had no where to go."

Not entirely true. I once read a newspaper interview with a surviving musician, a violinist, I believe. He and another string-player who was a friend jumped overboard. His friend soon succumbed to the cold, but this fellow was a strong swimmer and perhaps more fit generally. Anyway, he made it to a lifeboat and was pulled in. He remained deaf in one ear for life, due to the effects of the cold water. That may have been where I read that the story of the orchestra playing to the end is fantasy.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: number 6
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 11:30 PM

Thanks for the clarification there meself ... so, they did walk out of the session after all.

Well, there ya go.

biLL

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Leadfingers
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 11:57 PM

Is swimming away from a session the same as walking away ?

And though I ( as a FAIRLY serious Socialist) consider myself to be Working Class , the fact that I CAN talk proper (?) if I want to , it
may well be that some of my neighbours MAY think I am middle class or
have pretensions in that direction !

And Shaneo made the right decision , though I would probably have had a row with the ignorant shit behind the bar !

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:01 AM

"I CAN talk proper (?)"

That would be "properLEE" -

(running for cover)

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 03:59 AM

I suspect Leadfingers was indulging in a little humour.

I am looking forward to McGrath's input on the class question.

Incidentally, I have made it very clear, far above, that I believe that Shaneo was very right to walk.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Scrump
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 05:44 AM

From what I remember about the Titanic band, as the water reached them they all took to the water with their instruments - only the double bass player survived,

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 06:13 AM

We left a session in York under similar circumstances.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 07:35 AM

"I suspect Leadfingers was indulging in a little humour." - I'm beginning to question my ability to perceive irony. If I have no such perception, but am aware of its existence, and am able to employ irony, what class does that put me in? (The employer class?).

"I am looking forward to McGrath's input on the class question." - I suspect that McGrath walked out of this session some time ago ...

"- only the double bass player survived" - it may have been an interview with him that I read; I am sure that the interviewee was a string player ...

"Incidentally, I have made it very clear, far above, that I believe that Shaneo was very right to walk." - Moi, aussi. I think that specific issue has been well and thoroughly flogged at this point.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 11:04 AM

Gee, meself, I had no idea you were from the antipodes

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:33 PM

Crikie, neither did I!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Scrump
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:57 PM

The triangle player was the one I felt sorry for.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 01:38 PM

Soldier boy

Diiiiiiiiismissed! left-right-left-right-left-right

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 03:45 PM

"they all took to the water with their instruments - only the double bass player survived"

Jeesh, don't tell me some more comedy went over my head. I give up. At least I got the one about the Antipodes ...

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 04:19 PM

Well, you said "Moi, Aussie"!!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 04:26 PM

Yup, oui, oui; I caught that; figured it out - although I can see why you're going out of your way to point out the pun, considering my sad record in the humour department lately ...

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: JennyO
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 07:17 PM

they all took to the water with their instruments - only the double bass player survived

I imagine whoever accompanied them on the piano would have done all right too, especially if it was a grand piano!

Boom Boom!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Scrump
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:47 AM

You've obviously never tried taking to the water on a grand piano - it's not as easy as it looks - although I admit it's a darn sight easier than sailing an upright ;-)

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:58 AM

In the play Was He Anyone? 1972) by N F Simpson, an organisation which does NOT RESCUE people in distress, but merely renders them sufficient aid to stop them from getting bored while waiting for the help that will actually rescue them to arrive, gives a guy who has fallen overboard from a cruise ship a grand piano to help him pass the time. Of course, he can't actually play, so they have to give him lessons, and then it starts to get absurd...


Well, N F Simpson was from the Theatre of the Absurd, a style of comedy similar to The Goons and Monty Python...

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Gulliver
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 09:08 AM

This thread is all at sea!!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Scrump
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 09:23 AM

It reminds me of the Goon Show (1950s BBC Radio comedy show) episode "Napoleon's Piano" where the Goons steal Napoleon's piano ("the very piano Napoleon played at Waterloo") from the Louvre museum in Paris, and in the absence of any other transport, have to sail it back to England. Found the entire script here in case anyone's interested... :-)

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 09:35 AM

Ah yes - a simple job, just move a piano from one room to another...


... in another country.... :-)


They forgot the sheet music, so they had to busk*** all the way...

***which is 'making it up as you go along' - like 'vamping'...
- not 'begging with music for money'!!!

;-)

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 08:04 AM

I waked into a session. Bloomin' amazing!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Scrump
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 08:14 AM

What, were you asleep GUEST? :-)

I fully intend to walk out of a session tonight. When it finishes, that is.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 05:06 PM

No I was fully conscious. Trouble was I found it hard to hold a conversation without raising my voice. Some of the musicians seemed to be evesdropping and they kept looking over in my direction. However, it got better when one or two left early and I found I could hear myself speak. The music wasn't bad but I think they should keep it down a bit.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Scrump
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 04:22 AM

Oops, when I wrote that yesterday I should have said "tomorrow night" not "tonight" - meaning tonight, not last night.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,Anti Arrogance
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 06:19 AM

Hows about a different slant on the original question.
I attend a weekly unique (in my experience) session/open mike where the singer/instrumentalist performs three songss/tunes thru P.A. Anyone else is free to play/sing along. The original idea was to encourage new/novice players to learn/practice in a friendly atmosphere with experienced musicians.
Pub visitors sit in the room & enjoy a free show which on any one night can consist of Folk, Country, Blues, Rock and Classical guitar. (One night a superb flamenco guitarist turned up and brought the house down in appreciation).
I recently walked out of a session when three other 'musicians' had a conversation across a wide table which caused them to shout to be heard. When I sang louder to compensate they commented that I sang too loud! Two of these were new arrivals in the area (excellent musicianns) whilst one is a well known local 'look-at-me-I-am-great' folk singer.
I decided that if they wouldn't show me respect, I couldn't show them any and could no longer support (i.e. play along) their 'spot'.
Punters noise we accept but shouldn't have to suffer it from within.
Whaddya think?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Scrump
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 06:28 AM

I would make a point of leaving the room or going to the bar during each of the offending people's own spots.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,Anti Arrogance
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 06:48 AM

Nice idea Scrump!
Will use that if I go back.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Scrump
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 07:02 AM

If the bar's in the same room as the session, you could probably order a drink with ice in it, for maximum effect ;-)

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,Anti Arrogance
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 07:58 AM

Different room Scrump.
But it might be worthwhile ordering my drink without leaving my seat - the landlady could join in by asking me to repeat my request!
Trouble is, most (all) of the other players said I was correct but that I (we) should have talked when they played. But I find that I cannot be that discourteous after a lifetime of giving order when performers are on stage even if I do not enjoy what they do.
Too soft I assume.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 08:12 AM

Real "them and us" situation here. Where's the arrogance coming from?

Wouldn't it be easier to lighten the situaton and use friendly persuasion to help them to understand your concerns?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Scrump
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 08:30 AM

It might be a good idea to mention your concerns to whoever runs the session, if you can get a chance to have a quiet word before it starts. Then maybe he/she can make a general announcement to the effect that people should keep quiet while others are performing.

That assumes, of course, that the person isn't one of the three 'offenders'; and that it is indeed the etiquette to keep quiet while people are performing (that seems to be the case normally, but there may be exceptions).

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: kendall
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 08:33 AM

Take the high ground and leave. Why would you want to be one of them? Of course, it wouldn't hurt to make enough noise to get their attention on your way out.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 08:34 AM

Been there - seen and heard it. The types that will behave in that way will very rarely be open to friendly persuasion. They are all performers and should be aware of the usual good manners that are owed to other performers.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 08:41 AM

I haven't mentioned whether I am good or bad, just that I expect courtesy. Not arrogance, just simply do unto others as you would be done to. If you can't understand that then you would probably be sat with them!
They showed arrogance by being discourteous to another performer but expect absolute silence when they play!
The local I mentioned will literally sulk for weeks if anyone speaks during his 'spot' and yet is well known for ignoring others. He will even pick his banjo up and play a totally different tune in an acoustic session. He has been involved in numerous folk bands which have all dissolved because of his self-obsession. 30yrs too late for friendly persuasion!
I have already mentioned it but I will repeat for your benefit - all (ten) other players and several of the audience said I was correct. I later got several emails supporting my stance.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,Anti Arrogance
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 08:42 AM

Sorry!
Forgot to put my name on last post which was aimed at GUEST!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 09:14 AM

Sounds like you're all shit scared of him. These big boys coming in and taking over your session has got your knickers in a real twist hasn't it? There's no point in whispering amongst yourselves or emailing each other if you're fed up with him/them. If you've got as much support as you claim, tell him to follow the accepted code. He'll either do that or walk. If he does neither then as soon as he starts singing all of you start talking and do that until he gets the message. Don't talk to him as you replied to me - he'll probably smack you in the gob for being an arrogant twat.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,Anti Arrogance
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 09:27 AM

Guest - If I need lessons in being arrogant I'll come to you - you obviously have plenty to spare!
Why think people are 'scared' of anyone? Most of us have a certain amount of manners instilled in us when young by our parents and know how to behave in company. He (and you) clearly missed out on that and that is your loss!
Thanks to others (good idea Kendall) for your input.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Scrump
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 09:57 AM

It does sound as if you're right, Guest AA - no amount of persuasion will work with this type of ignorant ill-mannered person (I know the type, unfortunately). If, as you say, the prime offender sulks if anyone dares whisper during his set, then obviously retaliation in kind, as I suggested earlier, is almost guaranteed to get results.

In the unlikely event of this failing to work, I would heartily recommend an assault on his person - the more violent, the better. Not that I'm violent by nature myself, you understand, and I would only do this as a last resort.

As for what to say while the ignorant person is performing, the more mundane and boring the conversation, the better. Here's an example to get you started:

Arrogant bastard folk singer (at the mic): And now, for your edification and extreme pleasure, I will sing my latest epic song, written only this morning on the bus. Although it has a chorus I would ask you not to sing as I would not want my voice to be drowned out by your inferior efforts. Please give it your utmost attention - I will be dropping several pins during this number to check. (starts intro on guitar)

Guest AA (loudly, to neighbour): I see the forecast for the next few days is unsettled, with rain coming in from the south west, and fog patches in the midlands.
Neighbour (equally loud): Yes, and it's predicted that the east coast will be showery with a risk of frost in low-lying areas. By the way, would you like one of these cheese and onion crisps? (rustles bag)
Guest AA: Why thank you - cheese and onion is one of my favourite flavours. I don't like Prawn Cocktail flavour though, do you? (crunches crisps loudly)
(etc.)

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,Uncle Arrogance
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 09:58 AM

"Good idea Kendall" Yea! Run away with your tail between your legs. That'll show him.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,Anti Arrogance
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 10:12 AM

Thanks Scrump!
I'll try the crisp idea next time I'm in!
By the way GUEST,Uncle Arrogance (very inventive)- I have called in the session for a drink twice since. Have been requested by the other players and the organiser to sing which I have refused. Made it plain to all and sundry that the reason is (as Kendall remarked) that I do not wish to be part of them (the offenders). No one is running - no tail - head held high!
I sing 5/6 nights a week so am not hiding from anyone.
I do not know Kendall but have read many of his posts and doubt if he would be classed as a 'runner' either!

By the way, on the original question on this thread - Yes, you were right to leave Shaneo. If they can't show respect then they don't deserve your respect. Respect is earned!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 10:14 AM

troll alert. Move on, Captain. There is nothing to see here.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Cluin
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 10:18 AM

We luv ya, babe. But you're sucking all the energy outta the room.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 10:29 AM

Problem is, in that type of situation, although you may get agreement that the boor is being a boor, most of those who agree aint going to put their heads above the parapet. It comes down to 'anything for a quiet life' and, if they know that there will be any sort of reaction from the guitly party then they will not take any action to stop the abuse.

I was in this position a few years back with ignorant performers not only not doing folk in a folk session but then talking through the performances of those who were doing folk songs. The general position was 'live and let live' which really pissed me off. I took to visiting the loo or ordering drinks when one of them was doing the latest interminable Oasis song (badly) or another was singing 'Summertime' for about the tenth week running.

In the end, and as it appeared that the people running the session were not prepared to do anything about it, I stopped going. Soon after that the sessions fell apart and a group of us started up a new session on a strict 'folk' basis.

These idiots, like some posters to this site, have no interest in other people. All they want to do is give their own inflated egos an airing, usually at the expense of others. All they really do is make themselves look small and petty and ridiculous.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 10:31 AM

300!