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BS: Language Pet Peeves part II
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Rain Dog Date: 19 Aug 24 - 03:54 AM I agree that it is an odd usage and I am glad to see that not many are using it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Thompson Date: 20 Aug 24 - 04:28 AM The ubiquity of incorrect "…and I" usage - eg "He gave my mother and I a lift" - should be "my mother and me", as in "He gave me a lift". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Doug Chadwick Date: 20 Aug 24 - 04:51 AM The ubiquity of incorrect "…and I" Just as bad is the incorrect "Me and ...". e.g. - "Me and my wife stayed at home". It should be "My wife and I ...", as in "I stayed at home". DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Lighter Date: 20 Aug 24 - 10:16 AM Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice (1600): "All debts are cleerd betweene you and I." And dig that crazy spelling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: meself Date: 20 Aug 24 - 10:52 AM When you're Shakespeare, you can do what you want ... ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Doug Chadwick Date: 20 Aug 24 - 11:07 AM Meself, should you really be Iself? ;-) DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: meself Date: 20 Aug 24 - 01:44 PM Do I look like an elf?? A gnome, maybe - but I ain't no elf! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Thompson Date: 27 Aug 24 - 02:22 AM Farther seems to be disappearing, on this side of the Atlantic anyway - further has won and has colonised farther's meaning. Not a biggie… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 28 Aug 24 - 11:51 AM I can't remember whether this has been covered: The word "app" drives Herself to blasphemy, especially when intoned on the recorded space-fillers on automated helplines (which themselves are a blight, but that's a separate rant). I know it's supposed to be short for "application", which is short for "user-facing software"; but I share her annoyance that everybody is assumed to have an Internet-connected phone, which neither of us have, and are willing to spill Argh, with brass knobs on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Bill D Date: 29 Aug 24 - 09:50 AM I shudder every time I read on a menu.."Roast Beef with 'au jus'" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Thompson Date: 30 Aug 24 - 11:31 AM Increasingly common is the horror "Between 5 to 10 kilometres". "5 to 10 kilometres" is fine. "Between 5 and 10 kilometres" is fine. but the crossbreeding of the two is wommitworthy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: The Sandman Date: 12 Sep 24 - 02:59 AM Carbs instead of carbohydrates, is this a reflection of an instant society, where people are too lazy to utter long words |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Doug Chadwick Date: 12 Sep 24 - 05:36 AM ... is this a reflection of an instant society, ... It was ever thus. How many people wait for an omnibus or push their babies in perambulators? People keep fit at the gym; They get sick if they catch flu; If their pet gets sick, they will take to the vet but they might have to phone for an appointment first; A Sales Rep should be good at maths/math; If I want to sell something, I could put a small ad in the local paper; I could visit the seaside and walk along the prom. That will do for now but I am sure people could come up with plenty of other examples. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: The Sandman Date: 12 Sep 24 - 05:53 AM F. O. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 12 Sep 24 - 09:35 AM > maths/math Grrr: When will left-Pondians cotton on that there's more than one sort of mathematic :-) ? But to add to your list, Doug: People with upset stomachs take bicarb. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Doug Chadwick Date: 12 Sep 24 - 09:38 AM I love you too, Sandman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Sep 24 - 11:10 AM As a former regular here was wont to say - absolutely correctly, I may add - “Language evolves”. Most of us manage to adapt to that evolution but, apparently, there are still a few who remain, leaden-footed, firmly entrenched in the past. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Thompson Date: 12 Sep 24 - 12:38 PM Everyone's suddenly cross here. What's on? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Sep 24 - 02:30 PM Not everyone is cross, Thommo- I’m perfectly happy and relaxed! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Mrrzy Date: 14 Sep 24 - 06:52 PM Fancy restaurant... bone-in filet? Um...? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: meself Date: 14 Sep 24 - 08:45 PM TV journalist: "Trump repeated a conspiracy that immigrants are eating pets". Sigh ... where to begin ... ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Lighter Date: 16 Sep 24 - 10:04 AM "Conspiracy" for "conspiracy theory" is now pretty common. Of course, the "theory" in question is a simple falsehood, not a "conspiracy" theory. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: meself Date: 21 Sep 24 - 04:27 PM Here's an old one, just for the fun of it: "I KNEW I was going die!!" No, you didn't: you were CERTAIN you were going to die; you were SURE you were going to die; you BELIEVED you were going to die ... ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Mrrzy Date: 24 Sep 24 - 07:34 PM Ok, headline about My son almost died in childbirth. Checked... Her son was almost stillborn. Nobody almost dhed in childbirth, at least not in this story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: meself Date: 26 Sep 24 - 11:08 AM Just got this one from my brother (note: "Tim Hortons" is a down-market coffee-shop chain in Canada): CBC tells us: "Shatford told police that after getting his methadone and coffee from the Tim Hortons down the street, he returned to his residence and then didn't leave again until he went out for supper at about 6 p.m." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Backwoodsman Date: 26 Sep 24 - 11:41 AM Wow! Tim Horton’s seem to be expanding their business since I was last a customer! FWIW, I’m not especially enamoured of TH’s coffee (although a TH coffee is better than no coffee), but they do great doughnuts… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: meself Date: 28 Sep 24 - 06:03 PM Update from my brother: I guess I'm not the only one who noticed that. Today's version (it still could use the "Oxford comma"): "Shatford told police that after getting his methadone and then coffee from the Tim Hortons down the street, he returned to his residence and then didn't leave again until he went out for supper at about 6 p.m." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Sep 24 - 01:58 AM ;-) ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: meself Date: 29 Sep 24 - 11:31 AM Although that still doesn't explain the "then didn't leave again", rather than just, "didn't leave again". They could have saved themselves a "then" by simply moving that one! No wonder taxes keep going up!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Bill D Date: 17 Oct 24 - 03:37 PM *linguistic rant on* Lawrence O'Donnell was interviewing Hillary Clinton. He asked her about Kamala's progress toward the election. She replied, "Oh she's got a "tough road to hoe"! That's another of those commonly mis-quoted aphorisms that people toss around without thinking. One hoes a ROW, like in a garden, not a road! ?"Richmond is a hard road to travel, I believes"? ...Good thing one didn't try to hoe all the way. It's like those who say "It's a doggy-dog world."! or "wrecking havoc". I'm sure folks can think of others. *rant off* for now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Thompson Date: 17 Oct 24 - 06:23 PM A tough row to hoe indeed; saw a picture of Kamala and someone else, forget who it was (oh, it was her spouse), digging the first hole for… something ceremonial. I don't know if their problem was that they'd never dug before or simply that they'd been given unfeasibly huge spades - or shovels. If I were them I'd be bringing my own neat little garden spade with me next time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Mrrzy Date: 18 Oct 24 - 10:42 AM Keep your hand On that cloud Hold on One of my fave mondegreens. Plow, not cloud. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Mrrzy Date: 31 Oct 24 - 06:04 PM Stygian paleness. Tough... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Thompson Date: 02 Nov 24 - 04:18 PM I was at a military ceremony this year which included a bit where a line was laid along the ground and soldiers stood up to it with the toe of their boots lining up to it. Some people muttered "they're toeing the line", while others went *pop* as they realised they'd been using or understanding the metaphor wrongly all their lives! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Mrrzy Date: 03 Nov 24 - 11:42 AM Sorry, pallor. Stygian pallor. Still tough, but prettier. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: meself Date: 05 Nov 24 - 11:12 AM Here's one I've been hearing all the time lately: "He was a former [captain/member/CEO/etc.]", rather than "He is a former .... " Once in a while, "he was a former ... " would be correct, but typically, "He is a former ... " is what's called for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Mrrzy Date: 06 Nov 24 - 07:27 PM He was a former is coreect in obits only, I would think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Mrrzy Date: 02 Dec 24 - 08:40 PM Something I forget what was "rent by divisions" - is that better than being divided by rending? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Thompson Date: 03 Dec 24 - 05:56 AM Ireland (and many countries) is rent by rent at the moment - rents are rising exponentially, and people renting hate those who own their homes. A bit crazy; they should be hating the landlords, and the government that is largely composed of landlords! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Thompson Date: 05 Dec 24 - 05:50 PM I have made a new word, relating to floods, nosebleeds, vomit, etc: fountainous® |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Tattie Bogle Date: 05 Dec 24 - 07:39 PM Noticing an increasing tendency in TV dramas for people to address each other as “Hey”. Think I first noticed it in an Australian soap, but it has crept into the latest episode of “Shetland” even. How many of you say “Hey” when you mean “Hello”? I would usually say “Hi” rather than “Hey” - do real people actually do it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Backwoodsman Date: 05 Dec 24 - 10:29 PM For many years my standard greetings have been “Nah then” or “Hey-up”. Maybe a Backwoods thang? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Thompson Date: 06 Dec 24 - 03:58 AM First time I saw "Hey" was in To Kill a Mockingbird. As for "Hi", until around the 1940s it was a shout used to alert someone, rather than a greeting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: meself Date: 06 Dec 24 - 01:48 PM My impression is that 'Hey' as a greeting is very much an American thing, and a somewhat regional thing at that. I would be interested to know if it has spread, or if it has long been established in other places. In Canada, it would only be a greeting if a person were taken by surprise, and would be followed by something considered more cordial, e.g., "Hey! How're you doing?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: The Sandman Date: 07 Dec 24 - 05:21 PM Manhole. Yo. and pass me them things I cant see nothing |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: Doug Chadwick Date: 08 Dec 24 - 05:08 AM Manhole. Yo. and pass me them things I cant see nothing The last three seem to be examples of American expressions which have crept into British English. Are you putting forward Manhole as an Americanism? Perhaps it is adolescent slang for a male body part but I have never heard it used as such. As an entrance to a drain or utility service trench to give access for maintenance, it is a perfectly normal word in British English. In these days of diversity and equality, perhaps we should be calling it a personhole. ;-) DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 08 Dec 24 - 07:07 AM Sorry, Doug: "personhole" contains "son", so that's still male. > I cant see nothing If you're not objecting to the missing apostrophe in "can't", that's just an intensifier, as in Shakespeare's time. The "twice no is yes" logical stunt was an affectation of Dr Johnson and co-conspirators, around the time they started polluting the English language with imports from Latin. .... I'd go further, but every time I try, something happens with the wretched scratchpad mouse-substitute on this laptop, and it eats the entire message. Argh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 08 Dec 24 - 07:09 AM .... Argh aquared: it's shoved the snipped content into the top of the message. Let's see if a second commit clears it .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 08 Dec 24 - 07:11 AM .... Yup. Oh, and if you're following the street pronunciation, it should be "I cant see nothin". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Language Pet Peeves part II From: mayomick Date: 08 Dec 24 - 07:17 AM Thompson To my ear , Hi is short for hi ya , which is a blending of the three words “how are ya” ( conas ta tu ) You will still hear older people when they meet in Dublin asking “how’re ya ?“or “how are ya ?“ . Over the past twenty years ,this how ya/hiya ? has been gradually replaced with "alright ? ” - the common British greeting. I often heard YO being used as a greeting last time I was in the US |
