BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court

Subject: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 09:49 AM

What do Mudcatters think of Dubya's nominee?
G

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 09:57 AM

Camilla?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 10:00 AM

OK, seriously--;

Roberts has never been a Justice, and now he's Chief among experienced Justices.

The new nominee has never been a judge of any sort.

So based on this, I guess it will all work out OK. I mean, Dubyer'd never been pres before or had a brain before, and look how well he's been doing. Gotta admire his "Hire the Handicapped" record, eh?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 10:00 AM

You shouldn't give pit bulls such a bad rap. They have things tough enough already!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:07 AM

I dunno nothing about her, so I withhold judgement.

But apparently he's appointing his friends to different posts.

I do think that she'll have a rough time of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:33 AM

Historically, the majority of Chief Justices have been appointed from outside instead of promoted from the Associate Justice ranks, so Roberts' appointment as Chief is nothing new.

As for this new appointee, I don't know what the precedents are for appointing someone to the Supreme Court as their first judgeship, but I don't like the idea. It's sorta like pulling a good line foreman out of a plant and making him a company vice president without first making him a manager to see if he really has managerial potential.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: pdq
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:36 AM

If the new nominee is really a 'pit bull', I'm rootin' for her to bite Ruth Baader-Meinhoff Ginsberg on the ass!

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:42 AM

ah, pdq! What a clever and discerning comment! That will sure add to the discussion as we try to evaluate the details of this situation.


Bush has dug into "those whom he trusts" again....who knows if he found someone with ability?

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:44 AM

"who knows if he found someone with ability?"

Odds are that sooner or later Bush will make a mistake and select someone competent.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:48 AM

"Hiring" his own personal lawyer for the Supream Court is typical of the Bush family.

I bet James Baker who argued W into office before the Supream Court was on the list too.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:02 PM

oh, Peace, me lad...he picked 'competent' in Roberts. We can only hold our breath that Roberts' competency won't be used in too negative a fashion.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:03 PM

Just so -- it is completely typical of the tribal approach to government which Bush espouses as a substitute for analysis of any more objective sort. "You fella Squantaclick Neandertalis! You good. Lead Court!! Me trust you!! You wear correct beads!! Beads good, you good. Be good judge. Ugh!"

A

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:16 PM

Unfortunately, there seems to be some precendent for first-timers:

Among the other justices for whom the high court bench was their first judgeship were: Lewis Powell, Arthur Goldberg, Earl Warren, Tom Clark, Hugo Black, William Douglas, Felix Frankfurter and Louis Brandeis.

She's been called a "pit bull in size six shoes." She sure could use a tone-down-the-black-eyeliner-and-red-lipstick makeover!

The good news is there are some conservative groups who are uneasy with her nomination as well as some Democrats.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 01:38 PM

Friends in high places then?
G..

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 01:40 PM

I have high friends in places, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 01:47 PM

Mind; how you go!!
G

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:10 PM

I realize that anything approaching facts is unwanted here, but...


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/03/scotus.miers/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/03/miers.profile.ap/



"Among the other justices for whom the high court bench was their first judgeship were: Lewis Powell, Arthur Goldberg, Earl Warren, Tom Clark, Hugo Black, William Douglas, Felix Frankfurter and Louis Brandeis."

Looks like a reason to reject her, to me..... ( sarcasm)

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:10 PM

I have high friends in places.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:38 PM

beardedbruce, read both of those before you posted them. Contrary to popular belief, we liberals do peruse mainstream/right wing/left wing/etc. news sites, too!

My quote was not meant as an either for or against, just noting that it had been done before.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: GUEST,G
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:55 PM

I will congratulate Katlaughing for the post on past SC judges who had no previous experience as a judge. A couple of those are still household names, more so than some of todays.

Eyeliner and lipstick makeover? Have not seen a pic as of yet but she probably did the hurried touchup job prior to the press conference
as did the Secretary of State in Florida in 2002. That was still being used against her months later. Never did think that messy makeup seen once was any reason to judge a lady.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 07:44 PM

I believe most, if not all, of the above named justices turned out to be liberal thinkers ('tho not all appointed by Dem Prezes), so history may be on your side, Katlaughing.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 09:09 PM

I suggest it's a conflict of interest. She was his PERSONAL attorney, so if an old scandal blows up on him, and it goes to the Court, she'll be in a pickle!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 09:53 PM

Me, too, Susan! She should "recuse" herself...should have when she was helping him decide who to appoint! But, then, Cheney did that, too. Oh, darn, business as usual!

JohnontheSC, I sure hope so!

Guest, G, she seems to have used the same style in older photos, too, from what I found, today, on the internet. I am not judging her, as far as her ability to be a judge, just commenting on the perceptions of public persona. While we're at it, how many people take one look at a girl/women and think to themselves "slut/streetwalker/whore" based on her makeup, clothes, etc.? Like it or not, women are still judged by their appearance, fair or not. If I was still working in PR and it was my job to try to "sell" her for the nomination, I would have nixed the heavy eyeliner and red lipstick before the cameras were even in the building.

kay...hoping the Dems will NOT fall for a *stealth* candidate, again!

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 10:43 PM

Think: Abe Fortis. That personal friendship blade can cut any direction, including liberal or conservative.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:28 PM

So--Bush didn't pick Gonzales (or Garza) after all. I went out on a limb and Bush sawed it off. Not very nice of him. Gee, I suppose that means I'll lose a few subscribers to my newsletter. Ah well, them's the breaks.

It turns out I overestimated Bush's political acumen, something they said couldn't be done.   

It sure seems he missed a great opportunity to steal a march on the Democrats and complicate their lives. Gonzales could have been put forward as a self-made man. Bush, I believe, speaks un poquito Spanish, which could have helped cement the connection with the fastest growing ethnic group, by far, in the US, as well as give Bush bragging rights on the first Hispanic (and second generation Mexican, at that. ).

But that's all gone now.

So now conservatives are unhappy--"betrayal of the conservative pro-family voters" per Eugene Delgaudio, president of Public Advocate.

Sounds as if Harriet Miers may be John Roberts, Jr.--basically conservative, but an unknown quantity in a lot of areas.

But, it's OK--Jon Stewart has assured us there is no Arabian horse association linked to Miers--Bush picked her as Texas Lottery Commissioner.

So the Supreme Court will be in fine hands.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 12:00 AM

When she was the head of a major corporate law firm, Locke, Liddle & Sappe, the firm had to pay a $22 million settlement for aiding a client in defrauding investors.

Sounds like the perfect person to have in your hip pocket if you happen to be Dick Cheney.

Yeah - A Supreme Court Justice who has a history of fraud. What next?

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 12:55 AM

dianavan, I tried to google that law firm and came up empty. ?

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 01:02 AM

Try this:
http://www.lockeliddell.com/Public/index.asp Page_ID=197&skip_frames=0

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 01:13 AM

Thanks, dianavan. I'll check it.

kat and wyzy, you are not alone. It's possible, imo, that those ties will be enough to doom her nomination.

"U.S. Sen. Patrick Leahy said Monday that he does not know much about Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers and has concerns about her close ties to President Bush.

"I do not know Ms. Miers well and I did not meet her until recently, six months after she became the White House counsel," he said. "What I do know is that she has a reputation for being loyal to this president, whom she has a long history of serving as a close adviser and in working to advance his objectives."

They're Already Talkin'

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 03:56 AM

"As a leader of the bar, Harriet Miers was a fearless and very strong proponent of conservative legal views. She led a campaign to have the American Bar Association end its practice of supporting abortion-on-demand and taxpayer-funded abortions," Leo said a memo on the Miers nomination.

This is from one the articles in the link Ebbie put in. Does the nomination of Harriet Miers tie in with the rumoured intentions of the Bush administration to overturn 'Roe v Wade'?

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: John P
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:42 AM

How about we make a rule that anyone who comments on the state of her make up loses the right to make any other comments? Why isn't it an issue that George Bush doesn't wear lipstick?

For me, the fact that Bush refused to release Judge Roberts' writings meant he had something to hide. And the Senate, once again, rolled over and licked his ballls. It will be interesting to see how they handle the new one. Not that I'm expecting any surprises -- they will play lickspittle again, of course.

John Peekstok

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:27 AM

He might look better if he did, John!**bg**

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 02:52 PM

Seems to me that if the Dems push too hard they'll be accused of being sexist. Of course describing her a "pit bull in heels" doesn't really push any female buttons in my mind!

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 03:58 PM

I saw a pit bull on a skate board once. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: pdq
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 05:09 PM

OK, Bill D. You suggested that we should get humor out of the way and have a detailed and enlightened discussion.

Well, if this were civics class back in high school, we'd be into the spit wads by now!

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:20 PM

That's pit bull with lipstick! The fact that she is "born again" and had an evangelical experience which caused her to convert from pro-life to pro-choice should be a clue that she is not an entirely rational person....

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:21 PM

oops, I meant from pro-choice to pro-life! I'm the irrational one here! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: GUEST,Sam Stan 123
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 10:58 PM

I dont know what standards apply to supream court Justices
J O Douglas was a phediophile, had never served as Judge on any court maried one girl who was 14 when he was 80, another who was sixteen when he was 84 I believe. Wrote Pornography that was published. What standards could possibly apply to Roberts?
    Justice Warren was also never a judge in any court befor Being put on there all By Democrats. Tell me about your supream court Standards.

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 11:27 PM

I still think all of this give pitbulls a bad name!

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 11:43 PM

William O. Douglas from Goose Prairie, WA. Quite a reputation you've piled on the deceased. Last time I looked, marrying someone a lot younger isn't a crime, and the rest sounds scurrilous. Any credible citations to go with those charges, guest Sam Stan?

I won't hold my breath waiting for them.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: DougR
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 03:02 PM

Won't know much about her until the hearings. Therefore, can't comment one way or the other.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Pit Bull for Supreme Court
From: DougR
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 03:03 PM

However, I would have much preferred that Bush appoint a conservative with a proven judicial track record.

DougR