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What should Susan Boyle sing next?

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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 01:14 AM

Amazing Grace sung on stage by Betty Buckley. Very jazzy. It's a possibility.

I found a site called KeepVid (http://keepvid.com/) that lets you download mp4 files, and my mp3 player has conversion software to save to the player. I've captured the Susan Boyle songs and have gone prowling around YouTube for others to save. What a wealth of songs!

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Clontarf83
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 02:34 AM

Flower of Scotland

I wish I had someone to love me

If you knew Suzie....


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: melodeonboy
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 03:50 AM

Mr. Wu's a Window Cleaner Now.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alice
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 09:45 PM

Another old recording has surfaced.

This is from 1984. Susan looks so young in this.

From a singing local singing contest, the audio is very bad quality, but here it is:
The Way We Were


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 01 May 09 - 05:13 AM

"Mr. Wu's a Window Cleaner Now."

Great song choice!
With banjo??


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: melodeonboy
Date: 01 May 09 - 05:59 AM

Ukulele! (Cheeky grin is optional!)


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 09 - 08:20 AM

"Ukulele!"
Oh, naturally! Do excuse the aesthetic faux pass.

Of course there are several more wonderful songs that posters here have for some mysterious reason passed over:

Performed in honour of the king
A favourite of the older generation
Or something a bit more jolly!


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 01 May 09 - 08:31 AM

Oops, was me below... :-)


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: melodeonboy
Date: 01 May 09 - 09:25 AM

Well, it was a banjo ukulele to be precise: a cross breed of the American banjo and the Hawaiian ukulele!


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 May 09 - 11:04 AM

Banjos definitely belong someplace else! Move along! Move along!

That latest video of Susan is very hard to hear--it's nice that a few of them are around, but wouldn't it be nice of a few good-quality audition tapes turned up. People are clearly craving more of her performances, for as much as they're scouring their old video tapes looking for a few frames of Susan.

On an interestingly related note, today I heard an ad on the classical music FM station for a couple of concerts here in the next few weeks by Paul Potts. He is a good example of how the music can win over the looks--I've seen him on Oprah since all of this Susan Boyle audition happened, and while his front tooth has been fixed, his clothes are better and his hair is a little longer, he's still the kind of round little fellow from Wales who is out there enjoying himself singing, like he said he always wanted to do. I think this is the least that Susan can also hope for.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 01 May 09 - 11:15 AM

I guess what I fear is that this woman will be in the lime light for a spell and then the public will get tired or her.

I am hoping she is sensible enough to enjoy this time, make good use of opportunities and be graceful and unflappable when the media frenzy starts to wane away.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alice
Date: 01 May 09 - 11:32 AM

She loves singing, she has wanted to be a professional singer, she is hoping she can be a professional singer.
Yes, be careful what you wish for, and yes, the industry can exploit people, but I think she is probably satisfied that she has finally had the chance to do what she hoped for.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: frogprince
Date: 01 May 09 - 11:35 AM

The heated frenzy part will no doubt die down, but she might very well have a nice little career without headlines.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 May 09 - 12:00 AM

The Chopin prelude cited did not in fact become a Manilow song--it was just used as an intro to one of his wonderful creations. I always did think it was a ridiculous travesty-but a perfect juxtaposition of high culture and stupid bathos--I assume it's clear which is which.

I also was not exactly impressed by "Piano-Bloke's" rendition. I'm virtually certain he muffed at least one chord and I would disagree with some other aspects of his interpretation .   I play this piece every day as part of a short memorized portion of practice.

Now back to topic: Susan Boyle has real talent--and had impressive self-assurance vocally even 25 years ago.   I sure hope she is not forced to sing more of the overdone tripe it appears she has been captured on video singing. She could do justice to any number of songs--"Someone To Watch Over Me", as has been suggested by several posters, would be particularly fitting--and poignant.

And I wish she had resisted all attempts to "improve" her appearance.   She could have thumbed her nose at the whole idea of pushing appearance as part of the singer's package--and still probably won the contest. Then she could wear a new dress for the queen.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 May 09 - 12:17 AM

As a poster has already linked, check out 10-year-old Hollie. Amazingly enough, Susan may have stiff competition from her.   The voice coming out of that little girl is not to be believed. Obviously what happens in the next rounds may change things drastically.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 09 - 01:52 AM

The Chopin prelude cited did not in fact become a Manilow song--it was just used as an intro to one of his wonderful creations.

I haven't listened to that song in a very long time, but I played the Chopin often enough as a kid that the Manilow song sounded to me like a variation on it--as scant as the tune was, it was part of the song also.

I heard the performance of the little girl, but it wasn't compelling. I watched it once and that was that. Susan's story and performance is simply so much more compelling.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 May 09 - 10:50 AM

It's true Susan's story is far more compelling.   And on that basis she might well win if it seems she and the little girl are even in talent.   Similar to the Oscar being awarded for sentimental reasons.

But an objective observer, it seems to me, would have to be stunned that voice came out of that little girl.   I certainly was--and was not alone.


Obviously, as I noted, a lot will hinge on the next round.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 May 09 - 10:54 AM

And no way was that Manilow creation even remotely close to the Chopin in any part of the Manilow's "tune".


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 09 - 01:38 PM

I think we'll need another opinion on that, because I'm certain it is and your "Un-Hunh" doesn't trump my "Uh-Huh."

Does someone at Mudcat know Manilow? Ask him for us, please. ;-)


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Jeanie
Date: 02 May 09 - 05:03 PM

I would like to hear her sing a duet with Jamie Pugh - who was on tonight's show. Hear him here, singing "Bring Him Home":

Jamie Pugh

- jeanie


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alice
Date: 02 May 09 - 09:53 PM

you beat me to it, Jeanie,
I was going to add a link a few hours ago, just came back to see if Jamie Pugh had been added.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alice
Date: 03 May 09 - 09:52 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1KHRf02ups


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alice
Date: 03 May 09 - 10:09 AM

first interview, Jamie Pugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVX01vVG2VI


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alice
Date: 03 May 09 - 10:13 AM

better link where the Audio is in sync with the Video
and is not cut off at the end like previous link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m2gNzTWauw


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 09 - 11:09 AM

Looks like we need a collective "Britain's Got Talent" thread with all of these other entries. I don't see the program, obviously, being in the U.S., I see the clips people provide. You'll have to decide which ones are good and make a list of them. (Spare us the rejects, if they post those to YouTube also!)

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 May 09 - 07:16 PM

Sorry, SRS, but it's unconstitutional--cruel and unusual punishment--to ask anybody to listen voluntarily to that Manilow creation again.   It was ubiquitous enough at the time that it graced the charts that I and lots of others had plenty of chances to note the absurdity of putting in the Chopin, which had no connection or similarity whatsoever to what came later-- as an intro to a trite and overblown--i.e. typical Manilow--offering.

In fact I'm amazed you seem to have lashed yourself to the mast of that singularly unseaworthy vessel.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 09 - 11:49 PM

I played that Chopin piece many times over the years. The melody is there, it isn't just big ponderous chords to be pounded out on the piano. I'm not a huge Manilow fan, but I recognize a theme and variation when I hear it.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 May 09 - 07:26 AM

" theme and variation"?   Anything you say. Look it's patently absurd that we're still badgering this incredibly specious line of reasoning. Sorry, the Chopin has exactly nothing to do with the Manilow, except that for some reason Manilow appears to have wanted to give his piece of pop fluff some hoped-for gravity by starting his creation with the Chopin.

I've played enough Bach, Mozart etc.--and listened to enough music-- to recognize a theme and variation.   And as a musical Lloyd Bentsen might say: "I know theme and variation.   Theme and variation is a friend of mine. And, Mr. Manilow, what you have created here is no theme and variation."


Now can we return to the actual topic?


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 May 09 - 07:34 AM

And obviously there is a melody to the Chopin. Nobody but your good self ever raised the possibility there was not--though the version of the Chopin linked to in this thread seems to favor the thudding chord interpretation.   Chopin was a master of melody, though this piece is obviously not his best. Manilow, on the other hand, is not a master of anything--except bathos and sales.   And even in sales, Chopin probably has him beat--though at this point he probably is not benefiting personally from this.

Now it really should be time to return to the topic.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Jane of 'ull
Date: 04 May 09 - 08:04 AM

This Susan Boyle thing has got completely out of hand....ok so she has a good voice, but it's not like she came on the show sounding like the next Maria Callas or something. Go to any Northern working mens club any night of the week and you'll find chubby plainish lasses providing the entertainment who don't fit the showbiz looks mould, but who have a cracking voice. Nothing new there!

I don't read the tabloids but I noticed one of their headlines screaming out the other day how Susan was 'close to the edge' ie. a nervous breakdown? I do hope this isnt true, I wish the woman all the best but please people, get a perspective on it.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 May 09 - 10:35 AM

All comparisons are odious. Whether Susan Boyle and all of these other names suggested, or Ron Davies and his rant about Chopin and Manilow.

I suppose it is the nature of modern discourse to listen to each newcomer on Britain's Got Talent and wonder how the next wonder will sound when set up to compete with Susan.

Personally, I think we're dealing with an order of magnitude question here. I think Susan would have had this reaction even if she'd come on after the little girl in the tutu or the too-shy-to-be-believed Welshman who is (surprise surprise) singing a song from Les Mis. Each has a level of talent. I think Susan's was well-formed and she has practiced and continued to sing over the years, despite the bushel basket hiding her light. So to speak. She was a professional-wanna-be who hasn't been given a chance until now. Whether she wins, or there is a sudden sympathy vote for the 12-year-old who switched to a Michael Jackson song or one of the others, Susan has arrived. She has been heard, her ship has sailed and she is on it.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Catamariner
Date: 04 May 09 - 06:11 PM

I agree with SRS, and have been haunted by Saga of Jenny since I heard it on a radio show last summer; tracked it down on YouTube and Google and learned it (the only way to exorcise that kind of haunting). I think she would love that song, and it's a stunner. While I agree that Stormy Weather (and Memory and Over The Rainbow) would be "Ins" more than Jenny (which tells a delicious and blackly humorous story and allows both bounce and a wee bit of vamping, which Susan would love :-), what about "Cry Me A River" rather than Stormy Weather? Less covered, and she can grab them at the first six notes, and impress the audience with her phrasing at the "You drove me/Remember" section. Admittedly, the emotional tone can be slightly vindictive (a matter of artistic interpretation?). I've always loved the emotional texture of "I'll be Seeing You," but there are not as many opportunities to dazzle in that song; still, it's a lovely tearjerker for the audience members who "get" the context. For sheer beauty, I have always loved, "O Mio Babbino Caro," she's a mezzo but she has the range for that. Every mezzo does Habanera, so probably not that.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 May 09 - 09:09 PM

"All comparisons are odious".   Oh, joy. There's no such thing as quality in music, and we must not judge that one is better than another. No difference between Chopin and Manilow. And Mozart and Neil Diamond, I suppose.

Sorry, SRS, you can regale us til the cows come home, if you choose to, with the wonderful finery the emperor is wearing.   But he's still naked.

There is a difference, and a comparison can be made between the Chopin which has at least some musical merit, and the Manilow which, shall we say, has less--and no connection to the Chopin musically except in a young listener's vivid imagination.   I trust you're not as young now.

And it's not just my prejudice against Manilow. I even actually like one of his hits--Copacabana. I've been a big fan of pop opera for quite a while--as long as it's over in about 3 minutes. "Leader of the Pack" and "Dead Man's Curve" are two well done pop operas. Copacabana fits solidly in that tradition and works well. It probably helped that Manilow did not write it by himself.

If your expectations are low musically, you can appreciate a lot of pop--but I'm under no illusion that any of Manilow can hold its own musically with Chopin, even a modest Chopin like the one cited.   Nor can it hold its own with most other pop, Copacabana being the only exception.

Your candidate to illustrate how a classical piece "became" a pop piece in the hands of pop singer is just not the best choice. The irony of course is that your general point is completely valid. If you had said that a part of the Anna Magdalena Bach Notebook "became" "Lover's Concerto", as sung by the "Toys", your position would be much stronger. However, citing "Magic" as a pop realization of Chopin is way off target.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 May 09 - 09:37 PM

Well, in the interest of musical fidelity, I made the supreme sacrifice and actually spent about 7 minutes of my life listening to that wonderful Manilow creation--all the way through. (At least, thanks to You-Tube, I didn't have to buy it.) I hope you appreciate what I have suffered.

What Manilow has done is taken one riff from the Chopin, and, in the best pop tradition, hammered it into the ground ad nauseam. I can see why a young listener might think it was a variation on the Chopin. I would hope an older listener would realize the difference between what he has done and a theme and variations approach.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 May 09 - 09:45 PM

And now perhaps we can all get back to the subject.

I would dearly love to hear that 10-year old with the amazing voice sing something else. I do think she could give Susan a run for her money.

But I would imagine the "story" will carry Susan all the way unless she stumbles badly. None of the other contenders are likely to be judged as so superior to Susan that they deserve first prize more. And if it's close, she wins.

After all, it's not as if the 10-year -old won't have plenty of chances ahead. As has been noted, this is Susan's moment--in large part because of her story.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 May 09 - 12:04 AM

Ron, I'm not even going to read your last three posts. The quote is Samuel Johnson, go pick a fight with him. Go talk about all of that other stuff someplace else. Go fight someplace else.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 May 09 - 12:44 AM

Okay, I apologize. You made the ultimate sacrifice to listen to Manilow. Youth/age, I don't think that is an issue. But now back to Susan Boyle, please.

"Memory." I think that is the one that is going to get her the biggest bang for her buck. That program will be watched (and voted on?) by millions. Charismatic may be called for, and a lower common denominator. She can work on the rest of the stuff once she is done with the program.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST,Murphy
Date: 05 May 09 - 08:19 AM

"I dreamed a dream" was musically inspired by the intermettzo from Cavalleria Rusticana. Mascagni's "Ave Maria" which is basically the intermettzo with words would be a perfect choice for Susan.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 May 09 - 09:33 PM

You may be right about "Memory". But, if so, that says something rather dismal about the voters, who, I suppose, may well be the great (young) unwashed. As they are on this side of the Pond for American Idol. I would hope they would have broadened their taste beyond a would-be classic which which somehow has instead gone straight to the hackneyed stage--and whether it can ever bounce back from that appears questionable.

And the Johnson quote has remarkably little resonance--especially since he ignored it himself--as do all rational beings.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 May 09 - 09:34 PM

"classic which somehow"


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 May 09 - 11:44 PM

I haven't watched the video for a while, to give it a break, and find, when I return this evening, that Susan Boyle is still head and shoulders above any other act I've heard on that program, and in many comparisons, is easily as good as the high-profile women who are singing comparable songs.

Oprah had a young man from Quebec on her program today, a big setup, he has worked hard, rented theaters, etc., so his U.S. "premiere" was today, but he simply didn't have the chops, voice-wise, to hold my interest. Susan's is a story that will be hard to top for a long time to come, I think.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 May 09 - 09:15 PM

"...Susan Boyle is still head and shoulders above...."   Somehow, that's not surprising, considering the source.

At this point she would not get my vote--but don't worry, I won't even try to "vote" on this. And I trust I'm in the minority, a familiar position in matters of this kind.

However, I don't want to encourage even the possibility of yet more versions of the same relentlessly low-brow tripe--(I of course prefer high-brow tripe). "The Way We Were", "I Don't Know How To Love Him", that gem from "Les Miz", and possibly "Memory" now on the horizon all fit snugly into the category of tired retreads.

I would hope and pray that this stuff is not her actual taste--but at this point it doesn't look good on that front.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 May 09 - 12:03 AM

"considering the source." Just what is your problem? There's nothing wrong with this source!

I suspect she'll have to take a broad, lowest common denominator pat to win that prize. For all that "Memory" is a popular and rather schmaltzy song at this point, I really respect some of the singers who have performed it. Low hanging fruit, know what I mean? This is a calculated effort, to win the hearts of the folks entitled to vote.

I'd love to hear her do jazz, and more of the blues, based on that performance of "Cry Me A River." So far that is really her best performance (of the few we have to go by). Kurt Weill, Bernstein, Sondheim, and a lot of other more sophisticated songs await.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 May 09 - 10:30 PM

Temper, temper.   I imagine that if you think about it you will realize that nobody is in the least surprised to hear that you think she is still the cat's miaow. That's what I meant. You might want to adjust that chip on your shoulder--not every criticism is a personal attack.

However if you like aphorisms, perhaps you'd like to try "To thine own self be true", (which at least the author tried to live by--in contrast to the Johnson quote). And if that, to her, means singing "Memories", for this occasion, then there's a real good reason she and I part company. Specifically, the reason I cited in my last posting.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 May 09 - 11:27 PM

Ron Davies, why are you hanging around on this thread if you don't apparently like this performer, or her music choices, or at least you aren't really interested in the opinions of the people here? What is your point? I think it is "understood" by the adults here that in order to get her out of that sausage-maker of Simon Cowell's "Britain's Got Talent" (even if it doesn't have good grammar--it should be "Britain Has Talent") she needs to toe the line. Perform the big, over the top, WOW-them-all song. Then she can go on to the good stuff.

She is good. Her story is compelling. It's a package deal. Maybe it's a "chick" thing. But go away if you're going to dismiss the enthusiasm with which Ms. Boyle has been received.

Thank you.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 May 09 - 10:51 PM

The originator of a thread has to realize that a thread is like a child who moves away from home--you have very little control.   A thread is of course much worse, since after your first posting you have absolutely no control.   Even over people who disagree with your entire premise--which indeed I don't.   I think Susan has a very good chance, for reasons I've noted earlier.

As for why the thread topic has drifted, from time to time;
1) Welcome to the real world,    and
2) Who, pray tell, brought Barry Manilow into the thread in the first place?


And the thread originator might want to develop a bit thicker skin, rather than taking offense when I noted that her continued assertion that Susan is the best thing since sliced bread is not exactly unexpected.

After all, I didn't say that somebody who evidently still thinks the Manilow's "Magic" was a variation on the Chopin might not be the best person to judge quality in music.   Or point out that Manilow, who was one of the top jingle writers, responsible for "I'm stuck on Band-Aid, cause Band-Aid's stuck on me" and other similar contributions to US cultural life, knew exactly what he was doing, in order to hit his target audience. So he dumbed down the Chopin to their level--not exactly theme and variation.

Nothing wrong with repetition--after all it's the basis of rock. Songs like "Satisfaction" have their fair share. But "Satisfaction" has a lot more going for it than the insistent beat. If anybody listened to the verses, it is a perfect satire on commercialism. Rather than the overblown emotional twaddle of the typical Manilow offering--"Magic", to pick a purely theoretical example.

I also didn't point out that somebody who evidently endorses: "All comparisons are odious" had no problem herself with a comparison earlier in the thread: "Paige is good but doesn't have the passion in the song that Betty does."

So you see, it could have been worse.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 May 09 - 11:03 AM

Ron, take your philosophy of the world and the sorry-ass soap box you're trumpeting it from and go away. You're the one hijacking the thread, yet you stand there like butter wouldn't melt in your mouth saying 'get used to the real world.'

Those of us in the "real world" were rather enjoying this thread and all of it's permutations and possiblitiies before you came along, but guess what, now it isn't a thread about Susan Boyle, now it's a thread about Ron Davies. Was this your goal? Jump in the game, steal the ball, then stand in the middle of the court holding it out of reach, with everyone focused on you now? Does your ego need that much stroking?

We all know threads morph and change. And we also see spoil sports and recognize them for what they are. You aren't really here to discuss the topic, you're here to change it over to an argument and a discussion about you. You're trolling. This how you get your kicks.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:28 PM

Winfrey to interview singer Susan Boyle
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LONDON, May 8 (UPI) -- Oprah Winfrey is to interview Scottish singing sensation Susan Boyle via satellite for her U.S. chat show.

Boyle, a 48-year-old church volunteer who has been described as dowdy-looking, made headlines when she appeared on "Britain's Got Talent" last month and wowed the crowd with a stunning vocal performance. The clip of her rendition of "I Dreamed a Dream," complete with the audience's and judges' initial dubious facial expressions, then enthusiastic applause and praise, has gotten tens of millions of hits on the Internet.

The Daily Telegraph said as many as 10 million viewers are expected to watch Boyle be interviewed for a special edition of The Oprah Winfrey Show called "The World's Got Talent," featuring acts from some of the 40 countries that broadcast versions of the popular talent competition.

Boyle will not be heard singing on "Oprah," however, the Telegraph said.

Judge Simon Cowell and his fellow producers on "Talent" have instructed Boyle not to perform, saying she should save her voice for the "Talent" semi-finals. They also are understood to be trying to prevent Boyle from gaining an unfair advantage over her fellow "Talent" contestants, the newspaper said.

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Right--she has been singing for years, but now she should "save her voice." I suspect Cowell has this contest barely under control this time around.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: NormanD
Date: 10 May 09 - 01:32 PM

Has this been said yet?

I suspect that the song she sings next will be one that Cowell has a financial interest in promoting, and will no doubt choose for her to sing. In the same way that "Hallelujah" was 'chosen' as the finale song for the last national tv talent show he was involved in. Various versions, including Buckley's cover and even Cohen's original, became chart hits - it was all money in Cowell's pocket, for publishing rights.

Ms Boyle's voice is only as good as its ability to make money. Aesthetics hardly enter into any of this. She is latest cog in the Cowell money-making machine.

She has to "save her voice"? Oh, right. This means that Cowell & co have not been able to cut a deal with O. Winfrey's people over television / video / YouTube royalties.


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Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 09 - 01:17 AM

If you believe that Ron is trolling, then the correct procedure is to ignore him.

Ron,
You may have discovered the ultimate truth in your assessment of Chopin v Manilow, but you have made your point. There's no need to keep re-stating it.


Be nice to each other!


DC


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