BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)

Subject: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 05:39 AM

Porto's second goal last night should never have been allowed to stand. Arsene Wenger was entirely right in his complaint to the 4th official, & then to the referee himself, that time must in such circumstances be allowed for the defence to organise, & the free-kick cannot be taken just like that with no signal or preparation time: especially in that position 7 yards away from the goal. What has happened to the fine & valuable old principle of "Play to the whistle"?

That man Hansson has now twice shown himself to be a hopeless referee ~~ he is the one who allowed the goal to stand after Henry's blatant handball recently. I am generally against such measures, but I think the time is fast approaching when managers/coaches should agree worldwide to boycott any match where he is designated to officiate.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:47 AM

I always thought that a team had an option to take a free kick instatnly or ask for time to take it.

This sort of situation has happened in the past and I remember Andy Gray dealing with this.

Doesn't teh ref ask the palyer if they want to take it quickly. If they say yes, they do.

The fault is with Fabianski who had a nightmare game. Why did he pick the ball up. Having done that he should have thrown it away.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 07:46 AM

If the Arsenal players had stood over the ball instead of screaming like banshees arguing with the ref., the kick wouldn't have been taken quickly.

But it made my day seeing Arsehole Whinger sucking all those lemons!

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 07:54 AM

Re posting as my sepelling is pretty bad in the previous post LOL

I always thought that a team had an option to take a free kick instantly or ask for time to take it.

This sort of situation has happened in the past and I remember Andy Gray dealing with this.

Doesn't the ref ask the player if they want to take it quickly. If they say yes, they do.

The fault is with Fabianski who had a nightmare game. Why did he pick the ball up. Having done that he should have thrown it away.

Agree with BWM also on his first paragraph :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:07 AM

Aaaaahh, so you don't agree on the second para then? :-) :-)

The problem was that First-Class Professional International Footballers, who earn three times as much per week as I do per annum, stopped behaving like First-Class International Professional Footballers and started behaving like 7-year-olds in a local kids' league - they stopped concentrating on doing the important things and started concentrating on the doing the despicable thing they so love to do.

They lost concentration, they got punished for it - exactly what they deserved. And maybe another suitable punishment would be for Arsehole Whinger to dock them all a week's pay and give it to one of the Haiti Earthquake charities. The players would barely notice the loss, but the charity would definitely notice a million or so dropping into their coffers.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:44 AM

"ARSEHOLE WHINGER" ~ NOW THERE'S A WITTY JOKE IN EXQUISITE TASTE ~ ER ~ BUMHOLEMAN.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:44 AM

that referee was either an idiot,or had a bet on porto winning the match.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: kendall
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:00 AM

Did they rob the urinals too.?

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:19 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:22 AM

Hi

As the others said above the ref in this instance was correct.

cherers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: Les from Hull
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 10:20 AM

Refereeing is very difficult these days with TV replaying the action from several different views in slow motion. But that ref (and his assistant) missed a certain Arsenal penalty. And he seemed over keen to put the football down in the right place quickly.

How he dare show his face in public after missing Thierry Henri's handball that put the Irish out of the World Cup.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 10:57 AM

Arsenal Fan are we, Michael? :-) :-)

And please don't shout. You may think I'm a churlish knave (and you're very welcome to your opinion - you may or may not be surprised to learn that I don't give a tinker's cuss) but I'm not deaf! :-)

After all, it's just a game! (A bit like Mudcat) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 11:27 AM

Thank goodness that polo players behave like gentlemen.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 01:05 PM

I daren't slate Wenger BWM as my wife is an Arsenal fan apart from being an Ajax fan :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 01:23 PM

Dermott Galagher says the decision by the referee was correct.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 02:11 PM

Bloody hell Les, she's only half your size! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 02:27 PM

I seem to remember Thierry Henry scoring for Arsenal with a similar quick free kick.

What I don't remember is Arsene Whinger's howl of protest at the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 02:33 PM

And please don't shout.==

Sorry BWM ~ how rude of me; didn't mean to shout, just got stuck on shiftlock.

Yes, It has happened before; but I still think the convention that play stopped for a free kick, which wouldn't be taken until the referee signalled by hand gesture or whistle, was preferable to the modern rushrushrush. But then, any player would have scorned to take a fistful of another player's shirt in those days ...

Ah me: think I must just be getting old...

BUT I STILL SAY ARSENAL WERE ROBBED (shout intentional this time).

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 03:02 PM

Thanks Mike - and I think I must be getting old too!
How I long for the days of old when a football had a lace that left it's imprint on your forehead for a week if you headed it, when it was a matter of huge pride to any half-decent player stay on his feet when under pressure, and when goalkeepers didn't have the modern, invisible force-field surrounding them to protect them from being bumped and perhaps even slightly jostled by those nasty, opposition forwards. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 03:15 PM

How right you are BWM: I was a goalkeeper in my time. I recall once being shouldercharged as I was off-balance as I caught the ball, & the opposing forward's impetus carried him after me into the goal, where he stumbled (it was all entirely accidental I am sure) & sat heavily on my head. And the goal stood. His name [why should I remember this?] was Alfred Young.

Today's spoiled and pampered goalkeepers don't know they are born!

BUT I STILL SAY ARSENAL WERE ROBBED ~ et Carthaginia delinda est, wotsmore!

I collect goalkeepers BTW ~ shall start a new thread to show what I mean & invite contribs...

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 03:25 PM

I'm still mad at the body that punished Togo for going home after getting shot up!

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 03:58 PM

"Arsenal were robbed "

Ha ha ha!!

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 04:14 PM

You mean this one FolkieDave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCWjioIR5MM

Doesn't it look similar, but we better not show that to Wenger :-) That was the one I was trying to remeber, becuase Andy Gray covered it so well in the commentary.

What goes around, comes around or something like that.

BWM - The Dutch are tough :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 04:19 PM

I find footbaw quite pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 04:21 PM

Thats becuase you have 3 legs Bonzo :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 05:04 PM

thank god hes not got three brains.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:55 PM

It might make sense to have a rule that a free kick can only be taken when the referee signals for it to be taken, but there isn't such a rule at present. And a referee is supposed to operate to the rules as they exist.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:51 PM

Well there used to be such a rule, McG. Was it ever actually abolished? I don't think so, but that it has just fallen into conventional desuetude. So it must be revived & properly enforced. I say again ~ A W R ~ even if some lowlife whose name, I am glad to say, eludes me which saves me the trouble of having to spit, thinks it's a hahaha matter...

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:16 AM

I'm wondering, if, say an analogous event had occurred in the USA and a thread were to have been started headed "Redskins were robbed", would it be felt necessary to add "(US sports team)"?

Much as I hate association football the addition feels rather condescending.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Rasener
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 03:02 AM

Well it probably helps those that think Arsenal, Arsenal, who the **** are Arsenal :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 06:07 AM

Is that some foolish chant that opposing fans use?

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: G-Force
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 06:12 AM

Am I missing somehting here? Surely the whole point of a free kick is to punish the offending team for having committed a foul. Why they should believe they have a right to regroup is beyond me.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 06:50 AM

Oscar Wilde had football summed up, " a game for rough girls "

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 06:53 AM

I thought Oscar was talking about himself when he said that ---

Love Bosie

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Rasener
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 06:58 AM

>>Is that some foolish chant that opposing fans use? <<

I would think so Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:24 AM

Porto were quite entitled to take the free kick quickly.....that is beyond doubt. The part the referee played in demanding the ball and handing it to Porto needs looking at, however. In the end fabianski shouldn't have handled in the first place, and shopuld have drooped the ball rather than handing it back, while campbell should have stood over the ball immediately.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:55 AM

"Porto were quite entitled to take the free kick quickly.....that is beyond doubt."

NO, TUG, IT ISN'T =====


From laws of Soccer ···

Free Kick Inside the Penalty Area --
all opponents are at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball until it is in play, unless they are on their own goal line between the goalposts
---

This surely works both ways: not only must defenders retreat 10 yds or to their own goal line; but the kick can not be taken till they have. This law seems quite clear to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:07 AM

You may find this interesting from the rules of polo:

Penalties

The following penalties may be given.

A goal is given if the cross is dangerous or deliberate in the vicinity of the goal. The ball is then thrown in 10 yds in front of the goal without ends being changed.

Free hit from 30 yds opposite the centre of the goal - defenders to be behind the back line and outside th6 goal posts but must not ride through when the ball is hit.

Free hit from 40 yds, same conditions as b).
Free hit from 60 yds. Defenders to be 30 yds from ball.

Free hit from the centre of the ground, none of the defending side to be nearer than 30 yds when the ball is hit.

Free hit from spot where the foul took place, no defender to be nearer than 30 yds

Corners are not taken as in Association Football - instead, a free hit is given 60 yds from the goal from a spot opposite where the ball was hit behind the line, none of the defending side to be nearer than 30 yds.

Captains of teams are the only players who can discuss questions arising during a game. No player shall appeal in any manner to the Umpire for fouls, but me Captain can discuss any matter with the Umpire.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:27 PM

hi

In my paper today there was detailed discussions with four football "experts". Every one of them agreed that the referee was right to allow the free kick to be taken quickly.

Two of them thought that he was wrong to give a free kick in the first place because it wasn't clear if Campbell had deliberately passed back to the goalkeeper.

What concerned me was Wenger's ill-disipline with the two match officials. Other managers would have been censored and reported to the FA.

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 03:11 PM

MGM is right,and that referee should be put in the stocks and made to listen to Daniel o Donnell.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 06:18 PM

No, Mgm is wrong. Quick free kicks are allowed. However, IF the referee stops play and insists on the rule MgM selectively produces, THEN and only then must the appropriate distances be observed before the kick can be taken.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:23 PM

I'd have thought that with a thread title "Redskins were robbed" it would indeed be advisable to indicate that it was about US sports rather than US history.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 12:47 AM

No, Mgm is wrong. Quick free kicks are allowed. However, IF the referee stops play and insists on the rule MgM selectively produces, THEN and only then must the appropriate distances be observed before the kick can be taken. --
               ==============================

Your use of word 'selectively' peculiarly tendentious, Tug. It's there in print. I didn't 'select' it from alternatives stating differently: which undermines your point that the ref must indicate if the kick can't be taken quickly, That has become the usage due to lazy neglect of the real rules. My point is that it is time for the perfectly clear rule to be properly enforced. Time that the concept of "Play to the whistle" were revived. Any decent ref wd have just brought ball back & made kick be taken again when defence ready for it. But the way he not only gave the kick, which dubious [was it a real back pass or just a deflection?], but put the ball down at the kick-taker's feet to help him on with taking it quickly [&, I repeat, illegally] shows which side he was on. So I repeat the title of the thread in big letters ~~~

ARSENAL WERE ROBBED

... ♫♫ & I don't care what anybody sez ~ Hansson is the unfairest man ♫♫

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 02:22 AM

What concerned me was Wenger's ill-disipline with the two match officials. Other managers would have been censored and reported to the FA. -- MikeL2
               =================

So a manager should be censUred for ill-disCipline [LEARN TO SPELL!] for pointing out to the officials that they don't know the rules? Oh, piss off ~ if you don't too much mind my saying so. Or even if you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 03:36 AM

It's not the protestations of Mr. Whinger that wind me up, IMHO he has every right as manager to 'discuss' this kind of issue with the 4th official, but it's the lemon-sucking that goes on for the rest of the game - what a miserable sourpuss that guy is!

But the entire blame lies at the joint doors of Campbell and the keeper - Campbell for not dealing with the ball properly in the first place, the keeper for picking the ball up, and Campbell again (and possibly other Arsenal players in the immediate vicinity) for not concentrating on what was going on and, instead, concentrating on berating the ref, shouting and effing and blinding at him as seems to be de rigeur nowadays. If they'd watched what the ref did, and stood on the ball, the kick wouldn't have been possible and everything else would be irrelevant. They're paid huge fortunes and they're supposed to be Professionals. They behaved like amateur junior kids-leaguers and paid the price. End of.

IMHO, of course! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 04:00 AM

I don't think the people on here who are saying that Arsenal were robbed are taking account of the quick free kick Henry took for Arsenal some years ago.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Stop whinging and look at the result.

>>MtheGM - [LEARN TO SPELL!] <<

There are probably quite a few people on Mudcat who are dyslexic and have problems. Not saying that the above person is, but just be thankful you aren't.

One of the other problems is, that when things start to get a bit heated, people post in haste and then kick themselves becuase they didn't edit the text before hitting the submit button. I suppose that is one thing I don't like about Mudcat, is the lack of an Edit button.

Anyway Aresenal were not robbed (just stupid and niave) and it's all sour grapes.

TTFN

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 05:32 AM

hi

Hi I don't know what it is about you that makes you so agressive.

I CAN spell but I don't type too well.....so what??

And once again I have to say WHAT IS YOUR POINT.

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 05:45 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MtheGM - PM
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 02:22 AM

Hi

<" So a manager should be censUred for ill-disCipline [LEARN TO SPELL!] for pointing out to the officials that they don't know the rules? Oh, piss off ~ if you don't too much mind my saying so. Or even if you do.>

Many managers ARE often censUred for discussing/arguing with officials.
Wenger hinself has been on several occasions.

I see in today's paper he has even said that "one of his teams" has accepted bribes to lose a game. !!!!!!! Doesn't say which team.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 05:52 AM

hi Villan

Thanks for the support - no I am not dyslexic ......lol

I am just a poor typist.

I don't feel that sometimes here in Mudcat that it is really necessary to proof read every syllable. I assume like you most people are bright enough to be able to understand what is being said.

Obviously in that case I am wrong.

And from the tone of his message like Wenger he has an attitude problem.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 08:34 AM

"Aggressive" ~ moi ~ sweet-natured beneficent warm-hearted cordial philanthropic MOI? ~ oh how could you? ~ boohoohoo ~ now look what you've made me do you BEASTS!!! ~ WAAAAHHHHH!

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Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 08:37 AM

Hi MtheGM

lol......lol.....lol

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Arsenal were robbed (UK sports team)
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 08:40 AM

Didn't think you were Mike LOL You are the type and submit, like me :-)