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Subject: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 02 - 01:52 PM Okay, now I mighta learned a few things about the females of the species but just what's a guy to do? Let me back up here. My wife's cat, Timmy, age 14, disappeared about 2 weeks ago. We had some house guests and well, the cat really doesn't like anything that messes with his routine, so he went off into the woods and didn't come home. Yeah, I've scoured the woods and put up posters with his picture and all that but here's the problem. My wife, P-Vine, has for the last 3 or 4 days been very depressed and given to long bouts of weeping at night. Well, I've been holding her while she weeps but not saying too much. Especially not saying, "Well, we'll get another cat." I ain't no idot on this one. But I don't know what to do or say. Everything I say makes her cry harder. Last night she was so upset that she hit her own self twice. Once on her leg and once on top of her own head. Now, the ol' gal ain't a nut but I'd say she's mighty upset. Any suggestions? Either post 'em or PM 'em and I'd sure be mighty grateful... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Sorcha Date: 09 Sep 02 - 02:02 PM Is it safe to ask her what she wants from you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Amos Date: 09 Sep 02 - 02:05 PM Aw...my sympathies to P-Vine. I think getting another one soon is the long answer. She needs to talk some, I'd say, whether to you or someone else. Definitely needs to voice it. My .02/. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: katlaughing Date: 09 Sep 02 - 02:12 PM Does she know the legend of the Rainbow Bridge? I suspect it's the not knowing that's getting to her the most, that and beating herself up whatever she thinks she should have done differently. I wouldn't mention a new cat just yet, unless she shows interest. It's liable to just piss her off.:-) In time, maybe a "stray" can just be "found" or she'll be ready to go pick one out at the Humane Society. I always tell myself they had a lot better life with me than they would have as strays, which all of my cats have been. Most have lived well into their late teens. It's never easy to lose one. This little story might help at some point. I'd lost my big old teddy bear, a Siamese called Beau Geste, to ill health and was distraught. Couldn't stop crying. One day, I flung myself down on the floor and just started sobbing. Right then my oldest Siamese, an old dowager named Sasheen, who had been trying to make me feel better with purring and rubbings, ran in and began to bite my bare toes. Just enough of a nip to make me cry out. Then laugh as I realised she was trying to tell me "enough is enough. The rest of us are still here and love you!" If you'd like me to call and do some pet-grief counselling, please PM me. I'd be happy to help. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 02 - 02:17 PM Sorcha: Ya' mean jsut ask here something like. "How can I help?" And should I do that before she starts crying or during? Amos: Whew. Oh jeeze. This morning she say's she doesn't wnat to ever get another pet. We still have a dog and another cat, that is more my cat, but one that lives outdoors. Her's was an indoor cat? This cat thing has also brought out some past sadness for a horse that she had that was poisoned and died almost 25 years ago. I mean, she's talkin but bounces from one aspect of the loss to another... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: wysiwyg Date: 09 Sep 02 - 02:20 PM Let's simplify. Crying is a GOOD thing, 99.9% of the time. If you got her to cry that's not a bad thing, although there are good ways to do it and less-good ways to do it. Good crying cuees are any that are about something good (real or deeply hoped for). This almost always is effective with a woman, for most anything, IF you really mean it: "Honey, I was wrong (Or, "Honey, I didn't understand but I'd like to.") I'm sorry. I love you. Will you forgive me? (Or, "How can I help?") ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: greg stephens Date: 09 Sep 02 - 02:38 PM Well this is a terrible difficult subject.Particularly (for me, that is) as the timetable tells me that me and Kate were probably the houseguests that drove the cat off.People do get uncontrollable( unconsoable) for a while with the loss of a loved pet and it's impossible to see how to help. Time and love. But working out out to apply the love is a tricky one. Just dont say "We'll get another one" too often ...but you already know that. I will communicate with P-vine and you direct. I am guessing she doesnt know you're asking on Mudcat, so I wont refer to it. My sympathy to you ... Timmy had a a very funny face. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 02 - 02:55 PM Thanks, Greg. Yeah, I thought the cat had a funny face myself, but the P-Vine thought it was beautiful. Heck, I weren't gonna say nuthin about his face. And please don't feel like you had anything to do with his disappearance becuase he'd get mad from time to time at us over kitty stuff and wander off for awhile. I'm thinking that he might have met up with a dog , racoon or something, got scared and ran off. I'm hoping that he's on the couch of some nice old lady who feeds him canned food three times a day... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: SharonA Date: 09 Sep 02 - 02:57 PM Indeed, it never is easy to lose one, whether to old age or ill health or mysterious disappearance. But I wouldn't give up hope yet if I were you; two weeks isn't too long for a cat to go walkabout if he really felt offended by the break in his routine... particularly with all the attractions that woodlands offer a cat. And there are any number of stories of pet cats returning to their familiar territories many weeks and even months after disappearing. Of course, there are dangers in the woods for pet cats, too. The frustration is that there's nothing more you can do for Timmy than to keep looking and hoping for as long as it's realistic to do so. Naturally, there's a grieving process to go through for the loss of a cherished pet, so I concur with kat: don't mention a new cat just yet. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that P-Vine should be the first one to mention getting a new cat; just be ready to agree with her that it would be a good idea! In the meantime, let her talk about her grief and hold her while she cries if she wants you to. Don't try to reason with her feelings or try to convince her of anything except that Timmy's escape was just an accident that could have happened to anyone. Do try to keep her from hitting herself anymore, though; if she won't stop, and/or if her depression causes chronic changes to her lifestyle, then it's time to call in a professional grief counselor who can help her deal with her feelings without harming herself or shutting herself away from the life she's lived. Don't neglect the medical side of grieving, either; if her worries start causing symptoms of ulcers or other physical signs of stress, call a doctor! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Peg Date: 09 Sep 02 - 03:11 PM I was despondent when my childhood cat Emmett disappeared. Again when Lauren disappeared in grad school. And when I waas seeing Ziggy through a near-death experience after he was hit by a car, well, while it was touch and go I was a mess; crying at work, etc. So I do understand this. I have friends who have said they experienced deeper grief over the death of pets than over their human loved ones. It seems easier (? or maybe more acceptable) to express this grief somehow. I wish you both well. It will get better with time. It may be this grief is tangled with other emotions (guilt, anger etc.) and that may churn up other issues. peace to you peg
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 02 - 07:11 PM Thanks all. I'm gonna try to do a little bit of all of it. I convinced her to go to a high school reunion meeting tonight so she could be around friends who's she know for a long while. Maybe that will get her thru the evening. Yeah, I'm kinda thinking about another cat for down the roaf a piece but I'll have to create a situation where we just happen to run into a cat that needs a new mommy. Think it's gonna take some smoke and mirrors. "Awhhh, geeze, P-Vine, someone left a kitten in a box at my office. Know anyone looking for a cute little kitty? He's a cute little feller." Hmmmmm? Sounds sneaky, but, hey.... But that's for down the road a tad... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: gnu Date: 09 Sep 02 - 07:22 PM Too sneaky... let her get the next one... she'll know when it's time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Amos Date: 09 Sep 02 - 08:07 PM And, if I may add, it's not a question about women, Bo-boy. Any soul alive, regardless of gender, could be hit the way P-Vine was, under the necessary circumstances. Even Da Bobe!! :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Sorcha Date: 09 Sep 02 - 08:13 PM Hey Bobert, look at it this way--would you want to replace the mentally ill teen ager right away? (grin) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: GUEST,Taliesn Date: 09 Sep 02 - 08:16 PM My heart goes out to you, Rev.Bobert , as well because the source of this cloudiness is out of your reach. Emotional turmoil such as this has to be weathered through and oyu may need to spend some time in your "confessional" ( that is to say your private recording studio out back ) and compose a song if just to keep yourself in balance. This is , in no way , meant to be read as *insensitive* to your dear bride's mood, but I've been in situations when a significant other's mood was about something I was totally out of the loop for and just could not console what was so far out of my reach. This sounds like it's just going to be a diificult time that has to be weathered through. You're obviously there for her and , like most guys ( me included ) we seek to remedy the problem believing the "effect" is actually the "cause". Only the women , themselves , feel what the cause of what they are expresing is and you just gotta be the "spotter" so to speak. Suggesting that she congragate with high school reunionsits was a genuine "part" towards the solution in that she'll find that *female* counterpart to express her sense of the cause of this emotional sqwall. I've learned that there are things that women can only share with other women to feel a connection the way all of us may only be able to consort with a select parent, grand parent, or lifetime friend outside of the relationship with the loved one whom we share a roof with. Grief is a tough one. i remember how unconsolable my late Mother was years ago when she got the news her Mother in her homeland, Swtizerland ,was on her deathbed calling to see her, but she couldn't go in tiume because she had allowec her passport to lapse while her sister could go. That was a dark cloud over my childhood memory of our household let me tell you. She was inconsolable and my poor Dad suffered as much ,but more in the way you, Rev.Bobert are obviously torn up over "what to do". just do what you're doing in showing your love to her, but you need the kind of replenishing that ,I suspect , comes from reaching inside and being *creative*. Time to go to the Blues medicine cabinet and "working it on out" and see where it takes you. Somehow it'll be good again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: kendall Date: 09 Sep 02 - 08:30 PM Just be there for her, and listen. Don't try to solve the problem, just listen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Ebbie Date: 09 Sep 02 - 08:49 PM I wouldn't be surprised if a very large part of the grief isn't caused simply by the uncertainty of knowing whether her cat is alright, if he has found a home, perhaps picked up by a (Guess what followed me home!) kid, or if he's lying somewhere in need. It's a tough one, and sometimes there simply are no answers. (Heck, I still miss a dog that I had to put to sleep more than 30 years ago.) When I was a teen in the 50's rurals of Virginia, most nights after my work was done, I went walking in the dark and with a flashlight in hand which I rarely used, perhaps only to roll under a fence between pastures and woods. Rarely, maybe never, did I meet a dog in the woods and pastures but I petted many a cat. I'm sure that if I had tried I could have taken home a number of them. I hope Timmy will come strolling in soon, a smug you'll-never-guess-where-I've-been look on his face. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Mudlark Date: 09 Sep 02 - 09:03 PM Bobert...I agree with Kendall. I have no children and I dearly love and respect animals. When my cherished bassett Sarah Monday died at an early age, I was inconsolable. And it was difficult, as this culture does not see as "really" serious, just how deep grief can be for the loss of an animal companion (the very word "pet" diminishes their improtance, to me).
From my vantage point, what I would want is 1)complete understanding about just how devastating the loss is, and 2) complete understanding about just how devastating the loss is. In other words, empathy. There is nothing to be "done" in the short term, altho gentle pressure to get another cat, at some point, may help. Also, I agree with those who say, hold out a little bit of hope that this cherished cat will return. Not something you want to lean on, but with cats, particularly, still a hope. I'm very sorry for your loss, and I can well imagine what P-vine is going thru....please offer my condolences...and thanks for being open to suggestion for how to make a bad situation, if not better, at least not worse.
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: DougR Date: 09 Sep 02 - 09:14 PM Think maybe it might help if you said to your wife that her cat is probably in a better place now? No, I guess that wouldn't be such a good idea now that I think about it. I'll bet old Timmy is just out seeking romance, and he'll probably drag himself back home pretty soon all tuckerd out from the effort! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 02 - 09:20 PM Danged. All good advice. P-Vine got home from her night with her old high school chims a little while ago and I've checked on her about every 10 minutes in the bedroom where she is actually practicing guitar. Which she needs. Gonna pray that she gets throught the night okay but if she don't, ol' Bobert is ready to put into action a mix of all you suggestions... Thanks again... Will keep you all all posted. Oh yeah, Sorcha. Ain't no replacing the Menatlly Ill Teenager. Too old fir diapers, thank you... And yeah, Taliesn, gonna play some "Lost Cat Blues" tonight. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Sorcha Date: 09 Sep 02 - 09:26 PM Bobert, don't "hover". Just leave her be for a bit. I can't stand "hovering".......mostly, if I'm in a bad way I just want to be left alone. I have been known to lock myself in the bathroom to "get away from them". Stop dithering. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: catspaw49 Date: 09 Sep 02 - 09:34 PM "Sweetheart, I'd give anything to be able to fix whatever's wrong, but the best I can do is be here to listen or for anything else you want. I ain't eat up with good ideas or instant fixes 'cause it's just me and you're stuck with that. Is there anything I can do now or do I need to give you some time to yourself while I go scream at the kid(s)?" Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: kendall Date: 09 Sep 02 - 09:36 PM Doug, are you speaking from experience? hehehe |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Helen Date: 09 Sep 02 - 09:40 PM Hi Bobert, My dear cat-friend, a female 13 year old, who was also called Timmy because she was Timid, had to go to cat-heaven a few weeks ago. I miss her terribly, and I do find it easier to cry for her loss than to have a good bawl over my mother's sudden death in April. I suggest taking kendall's advice: men often think that they should try to find a solution to a woman's problem, but often women just want to express their emotions, fears, thoughts, ideas etc and are not up to the problem solving stage yet. So empathise with P-vine's grief, and try to find out if she feels guilty about Timmy's disappearance. You may be able to provide some helpful insights by sharing the discussion on that point. My trick for finding my missing cats, when they are going walkabout, is to sit quietly and clamly in a place near where I think they are hiding, and just think about them in a quiet, calm way. You may not believe in this trick, but I have often found that if I am thinking about one of my cats in the regular course of the day they will suddenly decide to come and talk to me. When they are off on a mission, and I am worrying about them, I calm my fears and worries as much as possible, and just send out loving thoughts to them - like prayer or meditation. Quite often they would come back, with a "Yeah, waddaya want" look on their face, and then wander back off to do whatever they were doing. If this doesn't sound too much like Hoo-doo Voo-doo to you (grin) then it's worth a try. It helps to calm my fears when I do it, so it has an added benefit as well. Hope it all turns out for the best. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Sorcha Date: 09 Sep 02 - 09:42 PM An opened can of tuna fish might help too......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: DougR Date: 09 Sep 02 - 09:50 PM Well, maybe when I was young, Kendall. But, alas, no more. :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: GUEST Date: 09 Sep 02 - 10:01 PM Bobert, are you for real? Do you really know so little of your wife's emotions that you go to Mudcat for advice on how to relate to her. Turn off your computer and talk to your wife, ya effing moron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 02 - 10:18 PM Well, thanks GUEST, Kendall, Helen, Spawzer, Sorch and my goof friend, DougR, Adter 4 nights of holding the P-Vine until dhe fell asleep crying, tonight she seems to be doing better. No, well yes, I've been hovering but noy real bad. I'm going in around every 15 minutes but I'm not going in with a forlorn look on my face. She usually goes to sleep with the 1st graders (9:00 or so) but with the misssing kittu and the changing of the seasons, it's been real irregular... But so far tonight, knock on wood, things are better. Thanks for all your ideas. I should know all this stuff but I must not have been in school that day... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: NicoleC Date: 09 Sep 02 - 10:55 PM Bobert, I'm glad she's feeling a bit better. Sometimes you just have to grieve. It would probably be easier if she knew for sure that Timmy was gone. If Timmy is gone for more than a couple of months and you never know for sure, a memorial might be a help to let her let go. Maybe a little ceremony at home or a memorial donation to an animal rescue group like Best Friends Animal Sanctuary. If I want to attract cats, I just smoke some salmon. I bet 4 or 5 cats show up in a few minutes... one might be yours! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 02 - 11:01 PM Thanks, Nicole. Yeah, we grill a lot of salmon but we're out in the wwods so we don't attrack nothin' with it. *But*, I just went to check on her and she's asleep. Yes! Thank you, Lord! Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bert Date: 10 Sep 02 - 01:36 AM Look very carefully again outside AND inside the house. We had a cat go missing and three days later we heard a pitiful meowing. It took us hours to trace her to a cupboard under the stairs. Recently we had a cat go awol and he didn't come back, but we know that he had another 'home' down the street and we guess that he decided to stay there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: GUEST,Taliesn Date: 10 Sep 02 - 02:20 AM (quote) "Bobert, are you for real? Do you really know so little of your wife's emotions that you go to Mudcat for advice on how to relate to her. " First of all, who the in the hell is this flaming idgit know-nothing who obviously misses completely that the rev.Bobert *has* done all that caring ,but needs an outlet of expresion of his own to freinds. This ignorant GUEST obviously thinks all this is *just* about the one partner and the significant other's feelings are *inconsequential* and thus dismissable. (quote) "Turn off your computer and talk to your wife, ya effing moron." Again I ask ; Who in the hell is this shit-for-brains? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: greg stephens Date: 10 Sep 02 - 02:31 AM ignore it Taliesn, there's always one.It's a game, dont play it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: greg stephens Date: 10 Sep 02 - 02:34 AM Bobert, next time she's practiing the guitar, play a tune with her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Liz the Squeak Date: 10 Sep 02 - 02:41 AM YEah - if GUEST is so keen on telling people to turn off their computers, what's he doing here? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: GUEST Date: 10 Sep 02 - 02:59 AM You can't keep a cat under control all the time - they like to wander & be independent. That means that they're out in the dangerous wide world alone - but that's where they want to be. So sometimes they just don't come home. Its sad that the cat has gone - but its great that your wife gave him all that love and freedom for 14 years. Not knowing what happened to him is the hardest thing - but that is part & parcel of the freedom you gave him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 10 Sep 02 - 09:34 AM Thanks, Taliesn, for jumpin' in there but there are a few folks around the Catbox who spend most of their time scratchin'. Don't let 'em get to you. Best way to handle 'em is to ignore 'em and then they'll go scratch someplace else. Yeah, from time to timem Uz gotten bogged down with 'em. The last GUEST cost me many hours of aggrivation. His or her answer to getting the establishmnet's attention was to throw bowling balls thru storefront windows. Don't ask me? Greg: Well, I will, indded... Guest: You're absolutely right. Freedom sometimes comes with a price... Tahnk you all, things are better this mornin' Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Mr Happy Date: 10 Sep 02 - 09:45 AM when one of our old moggys popped his claws, mrs happy was v. unhappy. i tried to cheer her up by saying, he's not in pain now, he's gone to 'cat heaven'. oh, no good at all. she said, if he's in 'cat heaven', then i'll never see him again- she hoped he'd gone to 'everybody heaven'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: GUEST,andi from work Date: 10 Sep 02 - 09:52 AM Bobbert, I am sorry to hear the cat is missing. I know how imprtant pets can be. Give your wife time and space , but do all the things you have been doing. If oyu have small children seeing mommy upset like this can cause them distress spend some extra time with them .... how about have the kids "help" make mom a special dinner , with candle light , hand made "feel better cards, ect. Then put out the cat's favourite food for a few days and see if it doesn't come home. and please post when the cat returns! andi |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: GUEST,MacBeth Date: 10 Sep 02 - 10:05 AM Tell her to pull herself together (it's only a cat, the way she's acting you'd think it was a child). Women like to indulge themselves in over the top weepiness every now and again. I suppose it gives them a chance to check that you're still responding to emotional manipulation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Amos Date: 10 Sep 02 - 10:36 AM Looks like MacBeth has screwed his courage to the sticking point. DUmdeedumdum..... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Fortunato Date: 10 Sep 02 - 11:33 AM I hope P-Vine is feeling better. She's a fair and lovely lady. I hope to see a smile on her face on Saturday. This thread demonstrates your love and concern for her. Give her my best. Chance |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: DougR Date: 10 Sep 02 - 11:54 AM Great idea, Nicole! Grilling Salmon wouldn't produce the smell that smoking would, Bobert. Give it a try! The worst that could happen if he doesn't "bite" on the bait, is you have some real good eating! Thread Creep: Nicole, it's great to find another "food smoker" here on the mudcat! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 10 Sep 02 - 12:31 PM GUEST, MacBeth: LOL, I guess. As fir me, if the sign says on the cage "Don't Put Hands In Cage", I don't... Tried grillin, Doug. Might of fact, this time of year, I grill more nights than not. andi: Thanks for your kind thoughts, but my son is 17 and lives with my ex. Chance: See ya' Saturday, fir sure. As per usual, thanks all... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Don Firth Date: 10 Sep 02 - 01:09 PM If you start grilling or smoking salmon, beware! I'm liable to show up! But I hope Doug is right about Timmy's love life.
When he comes back with his knees all slack, Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 10 Sep 02 - 01:41 PM LOL, Don. Thanks for creating that mental picture... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: SharonA Date: 10 Sep 02 - 02:02 PM With regard to smoked salmon, the question is: would a cat come a-runnin' when he smelled it, or would the smoke repel him? The ideal thing would be to cook food for which Timmy habitually comes a-runnin', if possible. What do you usually have to keep him from stealing off the dinner table at mealtime? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: NicoleC Date: 10 Sep 02 - 03:49 PM Doug, we agree on something! I have a condo now, so I have one of those stovetop smokers. I ordered mine from Norway, but now I see them at RV shows all the time. They work great, and they don't smoke up the house... much. Sharon, if you smell tons of smoke, you're doing wrong. I thought critters we're supposed to like smoked food, but my cat won't eat salmon now unless it's smoked. On the other hard, "forest fire" says "free meal" to a predator after the flames are out... so maybe there's a connection. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: TOM CAT BLUES / RING-TAIL TOM From: Don Firth Date: 10 Sep 02 - 04:02 PM The whole text (it's in DT, but I thought I'd post it for the sake of a bit of levity):
TOM CAT BLUES (Ring-Tail Tom) Text and tune here (The tune is substantially what I remember, but it seems a tad slow). The verse I quoted from above, for some strange reason, isn't in the DT version. I heard it sung forty-some years ago by a fellow named Mike Reedy, and he wound the song off with
He'll go down some dark alley, and finished by repeating verses 1 and 2. Let us hope that Timmy is similarly occupied. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: DougR Date: 10 Sep 02 - 05:28 PM Nicole: thank goodness smoking food and politics are not related. That sounds like a nice little smoker that you have. I have a fairly large one that can accommodate six chickens at a time. I must say, Nicole, you have a pretty classy cat. Will only eat "smoked" Salmon huh? Real class. Sharon: I don't know if you read Nicole's original post, but she said when she smokes Salmon she attracts five or six cats each time. I still think it's worth a try, Bobert, and if Timmy returns with a smile on his face, be understand, okay? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 10 Sep 02 - 05:39 PM Well, Don, Timmy, I hate to say wasn't in the same category as Ring Tail Tom as he had the "rings" so to speak removed from his tail as a mere kitten. Alas... And the danged cat had no interest in people food what so ever. Purina One crunchies was all he'd eat. Atypical cat indeed... Thing that bothers me the most was P-Vine's ex had Timmy for a couple of months after she seperated from him and during this time had the poor cats front claws removed (Man, I'd never do that to a cat!) so the cat, whereever he is, is pretty much defensless... I'm sure that some of this you allo didn't want to know. especially about the claws... But thanks for your kind support and your ideas... Bobert P.s. and thanks fir the song... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: NicoleC Date: 10 Sep 02 - 05:49 PM Bobert, My cat was found about the age of 2, wandering on the streets and had been for about 6-8 months, so said the vet. She was pretty skinny like most wild cats, but before her homeless life she'd been fixed and declawed. Fast as a wild streak and it may explain her incredible aversion to other cats. I hate that people do that to cats, but declawed cats aren't entirely helpless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Question about Women From: Bobert Date: 10 Sep 02 - 11:09 PM Thanks, Nicole. Yeah, thats cause for renewed hope... BTW, if I were the Prez, you'd be runnin the Peace Dept. Bobert |