Some buggars died.

Subject: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 11:39 AM

It's ALWAYS the day someone dies, so can we have ONE general OBIT thread for everybody whose death day it is on the day, instead of all these annoying ' it's Adolf fecking Hitlers fecking deathday ' it's getting as bad as the BBC radio 2 folk and roots board.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 11:40 AM

Some buggers birthday

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 12:08 PM

It's karma, Shambles, karma. Karma is the new bad word on mudcat. People see it and they delete it.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 12:17 PM

Echolalia

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 12:22 PM

Do you really think, Shambles, it's a good idea to start this thread on the very day Jerry Rasmussen has told us about the death of his mother?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 12:25 PM

Pedant

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST,some bugger
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 12:27 PM

wolfie.. that little snide attempt at point scoring

don't make you look too good either..

[look up 'insensitivity' , 'exploitation', 'misfortune' in a dictionary..]

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: jeffp
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 12:37 PM

Shambles has never been accused of having good taste.

Or caring about anyone besides himself.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 12:40 PM

Pedantry can also be an indication of certain developmental disorders. In particular those with Asperger Syndrome, or Higher Functioning Autism, often have behavior characterized by pedantic speech [1]. Those with Asperger's tend to obsess over the minutiae of subjects, and are prone to giving long detailed expositions, and the related corrections, and may gravitate to careers in academia or science where such obsessive attention to detail is often rewarded.

Wolfgang

You are perfectly aware that this thread was not started as a comment on or a reaction to any other thread than the judgement contained in the Some Buggers birthday thread.

For what it is worth - my opinion of OBIT threads on our forum will not change no matter who may have died.

But that is not stopping anyone with a different view from starting or contributing to such threads and as you are also fully aware - I make no judgement here of those who choose to do this. I would be greateful if you would stop posting only to make personal judgements on my worth.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 12:47 PM

I too sense a Freudian slip in the timing of this thread that is both cruel and disgraceful.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 12:54 PM

Sometimes, when one is driven by self serving, and neurosis driven, goals, they fail to see the 2x4 in their own eye.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 01:01 PM

So ignore it.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 01:06 PM

I too sense a Freudian slip in the timing of this thread that is
both cruel and disgraceful.

Give a dog a bad name eh!

A look at just some of the thread titles that this thread currently shares on our forum.

Shameful legacy-150,000 Kenyans Detained
Axis of Idiocy defends occupation/2660 Iraq deaths
Iraq War Casualty Figures - 2,660 civilians
Amish shooting When is it going to end?

Had a comment actually been made in the thread you refer to - such over-reactions could be thought understandable. But this is just another thread and the timing its timing unrelated to the thread referred to or any of the others listed in this post.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: alanabit
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 01:16 PM

I am going to second Wolfgang's earlier comment. It may be an unfortunate coincidence that this thread was started on the day that Jerry Rasmussen's mother died. Any other interpretation makes it look mean spirited and cruel.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 01:17 PM

Art Blakey's birthday squabble

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST,some bugger
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 01:17 PM

frankly shambles..
your repetition more than often bores the tits off me..

however..

the forum bullies who constantly gang up to pick on you
and troll your threads
strike me as a nasty hostile bunch of old gits
who are a much greater part of any problems here.

your heart is most probaly in the right place shambles..
I wouldn't want to think what dark places the bullying hearts inhabit.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 01:29 PM

"it's getting as bad as the BBC radio 2 folk and roots board."

That's from Shambles initial post.

Shambles - might I suggest that if you don't like the topic then you don't have to open the thread and read and/or contribute to it? As a matter of fact I seem to remember that that is the advice that you have offered many posters over the years. Please don't make value judgements of the threads that others have started. You are free to not post to any thread you don't like. To suggest that other threads be combined because you don't like them sounds like censorship.

We wouldn't want that now - would we?

And if this is just another thinly veiled complaint thread shouldn't it be combined with your already existing complaint thread?

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 01:42 PM

Wes, you too could combine your pleas to the one thread. It (the thread) would overtake MOAB in no time. Shambles posts one thing, his detractors post 47, then one by Shambles, then 32 by his detractors. Hey, in NO time.

Like, it's KARMA man.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 01:56 PM

Bullshit. To suggest this crap is to ignore 8 years of this stuff. To look at the threads that Shambles starts and ignore the obvious motive (read that the Birthday threads)is disengenous at best. When one reads Shambles complaints about the mod's, and then compares this site to any other out there, one realizes that he wouldn't even be allowed to post on most. There is less moderation here than almost anywhere. Anyone who suggests different is either ignorant of the facts, or has an agenda. The treatment that Shambles gets, usually from folks that have been around long enough to be able to view his history in context, is well deserved.

There are people here who I admire. They contribute in a positive way. We don't always agree, but I still admire them. I have no admiration for Roger. He is as destructive to the friendly atmosphere here as Martin Gibson ever was. Those of you who get sucked into his phoney, self serving, and pseudo intellectual arguments just look silly.

There ya go, Sham. You have plenty to attack. But it won't make any difference. One day you will be out of here. I can wait.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 02:05 PM

What 'friendly' atmosphere, Mick?

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 02:09 PM

"Mum, Mick called us silly"

"Tell him to look in the mirror son."

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 02:20 PM

Is it the 'two legs good, four legs bad' that Shambles has alluded to? Any chance he's correct about that?

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 02:30 PM

What is there about the word karma that gets it deleted so easily?

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 02:31 PM

"it's getting as bad as the BBC radio 2 folk and roots board."

Wesley S - have you really not noticed that what you post above - was simply an ironic comment and gentle parody of the views expressed in the first thread of 'Some buggers birthday'?

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: skipy
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 02:41 PM

Here we go again, squaring up for another squabble!
I'm on Wolfgangs team!
Skipy
Instead of long drawnout opniions why not just declare you side!

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST,some bugger
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 03:03 PM

by the way, this thread title is very surprising news to me !?

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 03:45 PM

The whole point of posting on our forum for me is to able to post and read posters honest views.

The problem I find with all OBIT threads is that this is not always the case. We are all going to die but I feel that this is less important than how our lives are lived and the time of death - may not be thought the best time to celebrate this.

For when someone has just died - folk do not alway feel that posting their honest views is the right thing or feel they may be thought not to be showing enough respect if they do. Inhibiting free discussion in the thread in question in this way is bad enough but allowing all the other threads to be inhibited by the mere presence of obit threads is something else.

As demonstrated here - posters are even judged as being 'cruel and disgraceful' when they have not even opened or read any Obit threads let alone posted to them. But just by the coincidence of starting another thread at the same time as they share our forum's index of thread titles.

Perhaps all this may be well-intentioned but it is I suggest, taking the showing of respect - and this current witch-hunt on our forum a little too far? And the keeness for some to be seen to wish to use this unfortunate coincidence in this way, is showing our forum in a less than positive light.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: skipy
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 03:57 PM

What bloody witch-hunt?
Skipy

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Becca72
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 03:58 PM

It's those damned windmills again!

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 04:44 PM

No. It's KARMA.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 05:02 PM

"it's getting as bad as the BBC radio 2 folk and roots board."

??? Birthday and obit threads aren't regular features there.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 07:21 PM

Jon, don't let reality get in the way of a good example :-)

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 06:23 AM

Art Thieme's computer has died

Is the timing of that thread also judged to be both cruel and disgraceful. or the result of being driven by self serving, and neurosis driven, goals?

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 06:27 AM

??? Birthday and obit threads aren't regular features there.

Jon- perhaps you should take that point up with eric?

Subject: Some buggers birthday
From: eric the red - PM
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 09:54 AM

It's ALWAYS someones birthday, so can we haveONE general thread for everybody whose birthday it is on the day, instead of all these annoying ' it's Adolf fecking Hitlers fecking birthday ' it's getting as bad as the BBC radio 2 folk and roots board.

eric

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 06:42 AM

No need, shambles, the point has been made.

I hadn't looked at the other thread, etc.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 06:44 AM

"You're so vain, I bet you think this thread is about you...". Whoops, an ego is showing...

Shambles, where in Jon's message did you see a reference to your good self? He WAS taking up the point with Eric.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 06:49 AM

Actually George, I thought it had originated from Shambles.

(I suppose I should have checked shambles link in this one to find out we had copy-cat threads, checked the times to find which was the original, etc. but I didn't bother)

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 07:36 AM

OK, Shambles, I take my last post back. Thanks Jon.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 07:46 AM

"You're so vain, I bet you think this thread is about you...". Whoops, an ego is showing...

I have found that it takes and ego to recognise an ego.

I have always thought that to be a very silly song. If you write a song making a judgement about how vain you consider people of your aquantance to be - then you can hardly judge them again in the song, for thinking the song is about them.

Because the song plainly is about them.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 08:06 AM

I do like the song, Roger - I take the "double judgement" you refer to to be a tacit recognition on the part of the writer that they still like the other person. I don't know what the correct name is for such a construct, but to quote MPFS: "It's a pun..." :-)

As for the ego - touche, you can have that one. I'm not on form this morning.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 08:24 AM

C: I understand this IS Bolton.

O: (still with the fake mustache) Yes?

C: You told me it was Ipswitch!

O: ...It was a pun.

C: (pause) A PUN?!?

O: No, no...not a pun...What's that thing that spells the same backwards as forwards?

C: (Long pause) A palindrome...?

O: Yeah, that's it!

C: It's not a palindrome! The palindrome of "Bolton" would be "Notlob"!! It don't work!!

O: Well, what do you want?

C: I'm not prepared to pursue my line of inquiry any longer as I think this is getting too silly!

Sergeant-Major: Quite agree, quite agree, too silly, far too silly...

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 08:49 AM

8-)

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 09:46 AM

Quite correct Jon, the point was that the BBC radio 2 folk and acoustic message board is entirely made up of people gushing about their favourite :- artiste/band/dance group or whatever, it's become a waste of time, it seemed like the Mudcat was getting full of celebrity birthday threads, who cares ?

eric

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 12:21 PM

Ah, I'm with you now, Eric...

I think an observer here might be forgiven for believing this birthday thread trend at Mudcat has more to do with the both the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team's known "dislike" of birthday threads and issues related to the length of thread titles than Mudcat becoming very "fan orientated" though.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: *Laura*
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 01:23 PM

ummm. You spelt 'buggers' wrong.....

:-) xLx

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 11:36 AM

Oh Bugger!

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 12:07 AM

I believe it should be "Some Bulgars Died" Roger.

Seamus

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:14 AM

I understand that its all about getting one's 'Rs' in the right place.

Or indeed the wrong place...........Or so I am told.

Or to get this thread on the music section - I could have tried a title like 'some buglers' died'. But I am not one to blow my own trumpet.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 05:13 AM

The last post perchance ?

eric

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 06:06 AM

The Last Roar

Ready to 'give up the ghost'
Sound the 'last post'
Where are your friends, when you need them the most?

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 08:25 AM

Yes, always remember " a friend in need, is a pain in the arse "

eric

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 08:35 AM

Yes, always remember " a friend in need, is a pain in the arse "

Is holding one's butt - the freemason's distress signal then?

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 08:53 AM

Subject: Bugle Calls
From: The Walrus at work - PM
Date: 15 Mar 02 - 09:08 AM

Traditonally, buglers tend to memorise sets of (sometimes very odd) lyrics as an aid to remembering bugle calls, for example, from the British Army of the Great War period (and through the 20th Century):

THE ROUSE

Get out of bed, get out of bed,
You lazy bastards
Get out of bed, get out of bed,
You lazy bastards
I feel sorry for you....I do!"

or

SICK CALL

Sixty four, Ninety four,
He'll never go sick no more
The poor bugger's dead


I wondered if anyone out there had any others.

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: GUEST,Budge
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 10:12 AM

some budgerigars died !

my nan's old budgie just made an odd sqwarking noise
and dropped stone cold dead off it's perch

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 12:05 PM

The budgie is buggered.

Or is it just resting?

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: number 6
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 12:10 PM

bulger wheat.

sIx

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 04:23 AM

It's probably pining for the fiords.

eric