Chords in Folk?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 09:30 AM

...I thought you'd say "day follows night", (Sedayne)...but equally farcical is what I mentioned above: "practiSe (English spelling)/practiCe (American spelling); licenCe (English spelling)/licenSe (American spelling)! Why?!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 May 08 - 09:53 AM

Day follows night out the Gnostic thinking that DARKNESS is the passive / default principle of the universe. LIGHT is active; hard-won, needing constant vigilance. Without LIGHT there is DARKNESS, without DARKNESS these is NOTHING! The same applies to COLD, DEATH & EVIL; in respect to which WARMTH, LIFE & GOOD are active, hard-won, needing constant vigilance etc.

Anyway, it's far from farcical (if you'll forgive the alliteration) - and in any case practise is a verb & practice is a noun - see HERE.

Why? Because it just is, and gladly so, and you can't regulate these things anyway so why bother trying?

Noting your fondness for exclamation points, did you know this most reviled piece punctuation was originally shorthand for the Latin Io?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 15 May 08 - 09:58 AM

What is it you hate so much about this variation? Does it signal the end of the world as we know it? Would you have a different opinion of it wasn't specifcally American English?

- A different culture, a different variation on the language? I thought you would like that, afterall its an American thing not an English thing.

Next thing you know they will be introducing chords into our beloved top line melody singing and playing.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:00 AM

No, I didn't know "lo"...and it took me quite a while to find what "LOL" was - but that doesn't apply here...and I thought is was exclamation MARKS! (Alliteration's fine.)

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:04 AM

What was Alliteration's fine for?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:07 AM

Sorry, but 'practice' & practise' are BOTH English (UK) words - WITH DIFFERENT MEANINGS! AS ARE 'licence' & 'license'! You obviously did not use your dictionary as much/well as you THOUGHT you did!

WAV, You've got your bowels crossed!

I was going to mention 'throat singing' and a natural Folk music system that DID include harmonies with a solo performer, but... WAV obviously must stand for Wanking About eVerything...

:-)

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:16 AM

It is NOT LO, but IO...

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:19 AM

Seriously, Foolestroupe, I do have a Webster's from my uni days, and it gives only practice and license - you better stop whatever you are doing and check youself now.
And to Joe, frankly, I don't know - has any nation other than the USA changed the spelling of English words?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:21 AM

Sedayne, we cross posted. But we apparently know more 'English' than our 'expert'.


Expert, n, drip under pressure...

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:34 AM

"Introducing chords into our beloved top line melody singing and playing" (Joe) - doing so would be going pop or classical or, from early music, creating an art song.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:37 AM

Britain has changed the spelling of English words?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:37 AM

One hope this won't upset you too much, WAV - but it can be either exclamation point OR exclamation mark. How recalcitrant can you get?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:52 AM

"Introducing chords into our beloved top line melody singing and playing" (Joe) - doing so would be going pop or classical or, from early music, creating an art song.

You really haven't got a clue, have you, WAV? But I applaud you for keeping this thread buoyant for over 300 posts out of whatever perverse motives you might have in so doing.

Perhaps you like to move this onto another level and share with us some of the deeper methodology by which you operate in the world - or do I credit wrongly by assuming there must be some method in this madness when, in fact, it is its own sorry end?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:55 AM

Seriously, then - if you changed practiSe to practiCe, why wouldn't you leave licenCe alone?! What kind of licence is that?!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:57 AM

Bless him, I don't think he gets out much...

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 May 08 - 10:58 AM

Yes, it definitely would be going pop or classical. Anyway some changes are needed at the big festivals:

They should gather together all the obviously foreign singers / groups and they should perform in a smaller tent, giving room in the main arenas etc for proper British folk music.

Then any of the British folk music with chords / foreign instruments should also be moved to these smaller venues, where there should be less facilities. Eventually we should pack all of them in trains and get them away from the festivals and 'forget' about them.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 11:07 AM

Use "British folk music" while you can, Guest - a Scottish referendum is pending. I, myself, believe in the English nation and the United Nations - with eco-travel and fair-trade between them.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 15 May 08 - 11:09 AM

Sorry guest was me - too right, get rid of the scots, the welsh, irish, oh and cornish whilst you're at it. They can take their dirty accompanied music with them too.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 11:32 AM

"The English nation AND the United Nations," Joe - and I've enjoyed listening to quite a lot of Irish, Scottish and Welsh folk-music.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 May 08 - 11:44 AM

As a North-Shields born Irish-Northumbrian-Scottish-Jew, I am, and forever will be, British. You think things are bad in England now - just see how much worse should ever Scotland gain independence! We can kiss goodbye to a future labour government for a start; no bad thing in itself of course, but do we really want a Conservative state without any viable opposition? But maybe this is the sort of projected discord people get off on, by way of dividing, and conquering, and belittling, and diminishing, trading on historic / geographical divisions instead of thinking how ultimately none of that matters in the 21st century multi-cultural UK.

Hopefully, on this as in other things, sense will prevail.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 May 08 - 11:47 AM

Hopefully, on this as in other things, sense will prevail... otherwise I'll be expatriating myself to Australia!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 12:14 PM

They're due for another Republic? referendum, too, Sedayne...and why not just plan on a VIST to Australia.

123 of 230: FONDLY AND VIVIDLY/AN OLYMPICS-SPARKED MEMORY SONG - AUT. 2000

From way up high in Sydney Tower,
You can see it all:
East there's coastline, west there's ranges -
Blue Mountains standing tall;
There's national parks and gardens,
Sailboards on Botany Bay;
And, out among the people,
You'll soon get that term "G'day."

Yes, I remember Sydney -
Fondly and vividly:
The eucalypts and wattles;
The sun, the sand, the sea.
Yeah, I still picture Sydney -
Fondly and vividly.

And, way up high in Sydney Tower,
You can see it all:
Southern Beaches, Northern Beaches,
A skyline standing tall;
There's the Opera House and Harbour Bridge -
Ferries sail from bay to bay;
And, around Darling Harbour,
You can party the night away.

Yes...

And, way up high in Sydney Tower,
You can see it all:
Olympic grounds toward the west,
The Rocks, too, is worth a call;
Plus Aboriginal culture -
The foremost of a lot to say.
So, if you VISIT Sydney,
I'm sure you'll enjoy your stay.

Yes...

From walkaboutsverse.741.com

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Stu
Date: 15 May 08 - 12:31 PM

Fuck

ing

hell

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 May 08 - 12:47 PM

Visit? No fucking way, Cobber. I'd head for the Northern Territories, make my home in sunny Darwin and never give chilly old England a second thought. Actually, my favourite Rolf Harris song is Northern Territorian, which largely concerns the effects of Cyclone Tracy in 1974...

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 12:58 PM

...that's another weard thing that happens, Sedayne - no "kidology", I can be in a mess room and make the slightest constructive criticism of modern England (e.g., a Swede/Italian should NOT be managing England) and all hell breaks loose; but if a born-and-bred like yourself says how much they'd like to give up on England for old-rival Aus., no-one bats an eye...maybe Stigweard can enlighten us with his choice words.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Stu
Date: 15 May 08 - 01:21 PM

Walkabout went out
to see the world
with his pen.

"With verse
I shall help
educate them

wot don't know
a thing about
that old top-line."

so setting to work
he spewed forth
his rhyme

which he wrote
in volume
heart and soul

but in his reverie
he forgot about
quality control.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: s&r
Date: 15 May 08 - 02:02 PM

I have travelled the world around
and found
a plethora of song
beyond their ken
These baser men

And they would me berate
O how they prate
They are so wrong
They do not see
They should agree

The license(?) I have got
Should tell them what
They need to know
Well travelled and well read
It's in my head

My motives are so pure
Of that I'm sure
Of that although
My subtle mind
leaves most behind

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 15 May 08 - 02:02 PM

"accents are fine but English should only be spelt the one English way"

The absolute height of English imperialist arrogance. It is remembered what was done in India, and indeed what the English tried to do with the Native North Americans, in Canada with the residential schools. The motto was there is but one way, the English way, for which WAV is the undoubted champion. Sunshine, you are in the wrong century, the 19th would have been perfect for you. You make me violently ill WAV, you and your type.

Charlotte R

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 02:14 PM

No, CR., I've said before that I hate imperialism, and even you have accepted that I do indeed love our world being multicultural (above), but, given that FOR BETTER OR WORSE (above) English has become the world language, why not spell it just the one way...and, I repeat, has any country other than the USA changed the spelling of it?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 15 May 08 - 02:21 PM

"and even you have accepted that I do indeed love our world being multicultural (above)," no I haven't, I accept nothing you say as the truth...what I did say was you accept a multicultural world AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN ENGLAND,in other words as long as you don't have to deal with it face to face...sorry I don't accept the spelling of English in one way only, you are completely wasting my time trying to convince me otherwise, and yes you are imperilaist and racist, your own words condemn you as such. Again please don't bother trying to convince me otherwise. I thank God that all the English are not like you.

Charlotte R

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 May 08 - 02:39 PM

I can be in a mess room and make the slightest constructive criticism of modern England (e.g., a Swede/Italian should NOT be managing England) and all hell breaks loose; but if a born-and-bred like yourself says how much they'd like to give up on England for old-rival Aus., no-one bats an eye...


It's not weard (sic) in the slightest; it's a particular aspect of Britishness which you, as naturalised Australian, might have difficulty picking up upon, but which you may have detected in your ongoing mission to repatriate. Basically, on the one hand, it's the that we carry what we are wheresoever we go, proud of our fons et origo but in no way bound by its geographical & cultural limits. On the other hand it's an instinctive scepticism of people trying, for whatever reason, to become something other than what they are.

Mess room, WAV? I rest my case, dear boy!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:01 PM

And do you accept that is a somewhat imperialistic attitude, Sedayne?
Also, what if a repat. genuinely likes English folk, the anthology of English verse, Lawn Tennis, stotties, foxgloves, hedera helix, Whitley Bay, The Lake District, Constables, etc?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:18 PM

I feel like a character in The Sopranos, doing his impression of Michael Corlione in The Godfather: " I try to get out, but they keep suckin' me back in!"

I swore I would quit participating in this inane discussion, but just can't help myself!

Insofar as English has supplanted French (which had replaced Latin) as the default international language, it is American English that the world has adopted, essentially by way of computer usage. Or did I miss something? Is Bill Gates actually a Londoner?

So there!

Also, for someone who presents himslef as such a stickler for proper spelling to actually type the non-word "WEARD" ~ it's just unbelievable, downright EARY!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:25 PM

.....it is American English that the world has adopted, essentially by way of computer usage.

Exactly and there is no getting away from it. Oh there will be those who will forever be in denial, but that's just ignoring reality. I Canada we use English English spellings and American English spellings, that too is a reality.

Charlotte R

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:44 PM

StigWEARD was just above that post and addressed in it, and I was not the only one at that stage trying to keep my sense of humour, PG...and what else you seemed to miss was my admission that: "I'm NOT saying I'm the world's greatest speller - far from it - but, when I look up a word, I always choose the English spelling of the English word!" Also, My Webster's, which is from before the "computer age," gives both licenSe and practiCe...why change one when both can be changed, thereby adding to the confusion?! (Why don't I ditch it?...it has a good thesaurus, frankly.)

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,John Doe
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:55 PM

WalkaboutsVerse,

You are an utter fool. There are huge and obvious objections to pretty much everything you say. For whatever reason you choose to ignore those comments and continue to ramble along in your idiotic way. It's rather sad, frankly.

Just one question: which 'England' would you like to set in aspic and have us all live? Century: 1700, 1800, 1900???

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:56 PM

Sorry ~ I missed that reference to "StigWEARD" completely, so I didn't understand where you were coming from.

Other disagreements aside, I truly would NOT have thought that "weird" was a word you would misspell, and didn't know what to make of it!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:59 PM

"Just one question: which 'England' would you like to set in aspic and have us all live? Century: 1700, 1800, 1900??? "

My guess would be the 1950's I could be wrong of course, but that's my gut feeling...that and when I read anything WAV posts I get the urge to consult Neil Gaiman's novel, Neverwhere......

Charlotte R

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 04:16 PM

John Doe - is it not silly to change licenc/se AND practis/ce? And pray tell me has any nation other than the USA bothered to change the spelling of English, and why? To Mole., a few things are better now than the 1950s but, yes, from what I can gather, England did indeed contain a better society then than now, again, frankly. Finally, it was not I that left chords? for languages? (see above). Having read every post here, John: it is wrong to say English traditional music is ALL about the tune; it is NOT wrong to say English traditional music is MOSTLY about the tune.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 15 May 08 - 04:24 PM

"And pray tell me has any nation other than the USA bothered to change the spelling of English...

as i stated a bit back...Canada uses both English English and American English spellings (not necessarily in that order), that is the reality here..The England you long for never did exist, never will either, that is a reality too
I've a feeling I should do penance...maybe flogging myself with a copy of the Daily Torygraph.....

Charlotte R

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,John Doe
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:03 PM

Tell me has any nation other than the USA bothered to change the spelling of English, and why?

WAV, you've had numerous intelligent and well meaning people trying to explain the truth to you: the fact being that langauge evolves!

I've no idea as to your motives, you may be being bloody minded (for whatever reason), or you maybe completely stupid.

I suspect the latter.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:21 PM

In that case, it's fair-play to defend myself by saying that, if achievement in sports, education, travel and the arts were tallied-up, I'd be pretty hard to beat, John.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,John Doe,
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:31 PM

In that case

What case would that be?

it's fair-play to defend myself

Agreed

by saying that, if achievement in sports, education, travel and the arts were tallied-up, I'd be pretty hard to beat

Whom would you beat? Your own ego?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:31 PM

I've read that today's standard British-English spellings didn't becme standard until AFTER the colonization of North America, and that in regard to many of the words spelled differently on either side of the "pond," the US version accurately duplicates the 15th/16th century English usage that was brought across the sea, while today's UK spelling is of more recent vintage.

In any event, in answer to the question "why doesn't someone enforce a standardized spelling," there is no authority in any English-speaking country able to (or even trying to) rule upon spelling and grammer, etc., and of course it's hard to imagine any way of enforcing any such effort.

There's some kind of quasi-governmental apparatus in France whereby the Academie Francoise protects the sacrosanct rules of the French language. I can't imagine what they can actually do, short of burning books...

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:46 PM

Read my Blurb, then, John, if you wish.
Have you also read, somewhere?, then, PG, which spelling of English the UN use? StandardiS/Z!ation would be good - we may pronounce words differently, but we all accept the same spelling.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Def Shepard
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:52 PM

If I may enter into this debate, the originator of this thread, Walkaboutsverse, states "we may pronounce words differently, but we all accept the same spelling." Forgive me, but we do not. The spelling of some words is different in the USA than it is in Great Britain. the best examples I can think of, right off the top of my head, are neighbour and behaviour, in the USA they are spelled neighbor and behavior. There are some others as well, an American English Dictionary and, perhaps, the OED, will furnish other examples.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: TheSnail
Date: 15 May 08 - 07:23 PM

WalkaboutsVerse

Have you also read, somewhere?, then, PG, which spelling of English the UN use?

Never mind spelling, some attempt at grammar would be helpful.

On the other hand, I do object to Americans spelling arse ass.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 May 08 - 01:24 AM

"Whom would you beat? Your own ego?"

I'd suggest he's beating something else... :-P


"today's standard British-English spellings didn't becme standard until AFTER the colonization of North America, and that in regard to many of the words spelled differently on either side of the "pond," the US version accurately duplicates the 15th/16th century English usage that was brought across the sea, while today's UK spelling is of more recent vintage."

Right on Poppy! :-)

"there is no authority in any English-speaking country able to (or even trying to) rule upon spelling and grammer, etc.,"

I can't remember the exact name of the brilliant BBC TV series some years about about the History of The English Language. Went from Anglo Saxon times right up to all the modern variations, "Chinglish", "Japenglish", "Pidgin", etc.



"Read my Blurb"

What, the WHOLE SODDING SITE?!!!!



""we may pronounce words differently, but we all accept the same spelling." Forgive me, but we do not. The spelling of some words is different in the USA than it is in Great Britain."

And Australia, NZ, Papua New Guinea etc...



There is an old saying about a fool who has roamed being better than one who has stayed [staid? - :-P] at home.

Don't believe it!


This thread belongs in BS. Just ask Joe to do it, guys. Oh and WAV's thread of 'verse' really has nothing to do with 'Folk Music', either, it should go there too! :-)


~~~~~~~~~
The Fooles Troupe is getting worried it may have to leave here. Too much competition!

:-)

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 May 08 - 04:19 AM

"by saying that, if achievement in sports, education, travel and the arts were tallied-up, I'd be pretty hard to beat"

I think your poetic and musical contibutions count as an own goal.

Were your sporting achievements not from your childhood?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 16 May 08 - 04:20 AM

sorry that was me.