BS: Well done England

Subject: BS: Well done England
From: Tam the man
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 01:32 PM

I'll be the first to congratulate the English for winning the Ashes,
Desipte all the things I wrote about England and their cricket and their love of the game.

Not bad from a tendious wanker eh!

Tam frae Scotland

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 03:13 PM

Great Knocks from Kevin Pieterson&Ashley Giles what a combo and full marks to Shane Warne and the rest of the Aussies for their fantastic sportsmanship in defeat

Gerry

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 03:34 PM

Said like a true sportsman Tam, I as another Scotsman totally agree, with one reservation.
What took you so long?
I mean you let them off the hook twice guys!!!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: fat B****rd
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 03:58 PM

I only wish my late Father was here to see it !! Well done us.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah2
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 04:01 PM

Thanks Tam, I retract what I said, it looks like you're a sportsman after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 04:06 PM

Thanks Tam. When I go out later, I'll drink a Laguvilin on your behalf!

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 04:09 PM

That shows the 'Down Unders' what we can do, up over.

Sal

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 04:13 PM

Well done, what excitement and what sportsmanship and good humour -and what do they pay footballers £60,000 a week for?

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 05:19 PM

Was there a match on?

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Peace
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 06:46 PM

Rugby?

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 07:35 PM

bloody 2 headed coins

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: MBSLynne
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 02:47 AM

Heartfelt congratulations England!! I was supporting the Aussies, but the whole series was exciting, brilliant cricket and I think both sides are to be congratualted for such well-played entertainment. The English deserved to win the ashes, but the Aussies have little to be ashamed about either. The best thing of all was the wonderful friendly atmosphere of the whole thing

I drank champagne with my Aussie parents and English husband and son last night!

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: gnu
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 03:45 AM

Congrats to Britain. Good sport to Oz. I wish we could get more than just snippets of play here... days afterwards.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 05:27 AM

We'll all be in the same boat next time, Gnu, unless we're prepared to pay Rupert bloody Murdoch for the privilege of watching.

Typical, isn't it? Just when the whole thing gets really interesting.

I agree about the Aussies tho'. As sporting in defeat as in victory, and the best of it was they lost playing bloody good cricket. No disgrace in that.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 05:33 AM

unless we're prepared to pay Rupert bloody Murdoch for the privilege of watching

It's the end of the line for me and watching live cricket on tv.

a) I will not support subscription tv.

b) Even if my resolve did weaken there, I can not stomach Rupert Murdoch

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST,Bainbo
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 05:47 AM

Shame the Aussies are flying home today. After the spirit in which the games were played, and because they were so good and made the matches so thrilling to watch, it would have been nice if they could have made an appearance at Trafalgar Square. Good on yer, Ricky & Co.

As for paying Rupert Murdoch - I don't even have a telly, let alone Sky, so I've been following it on Test Match Special on the steam wireless. Granted, you don't see Warne's terrific spins or Flintoff's joy, but you don't lose any of the tension. You can get it on the internet, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: MBSLynne
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 05:54 AM

We have no intention of paying for Sky or whatever it is either. We actually watch very little tv so it's not worth it just for cricket a couple of times a year.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: John O'L
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 06:38 AM

We've been spoilt with moving pictures. Listening to cricket on the radio is just as good, in some ways better. It doesn't take long to adjust either, and you can do other stuff at the same time.
I wouldn't pay Murdoch a penny for anything. Certainly not cricket. I would find that intollerable.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST,Nostalgic Dazbo
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 06:47 AM

Ahhh, The good old days!! Uninterupted TV on BBC, turn the sound down and listen to the Radio 3 commentary - pure bliss.

The like of which never to be seen or heard again

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Tam the man
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 07:24 AM

Gnu, Britain wasn't playing cricket England was, but what the hell

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Tam the man
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 07:28 AM

Sorry about that, But Britian was not playing cricket England was, Because Britian consists of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Tam frae Scotland.

PS
I am not a Pom.

PPS

Good on you England

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: greg stephens
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 08:01 AM

England, but with a little help from Wales perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 08:05 AM

I find all sport tedious and boring - and cricket particularly so. Still, it has made a few of my fellow Englishmen (and even a few Englishwomen?) happy, recently, so where's the harm? If you find that patronising you could always go away (to put it politely!).
I have to say, though, that what I found particularly contemptible was all the 'fashion victims' who suddenly decided that 'cricket is cool' because England was winning. There must be millions of stupid w...ers, out there, with just a 'fashion antenna' where their brain ought to be!

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Les from Hull
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 08:20 AM

more than a little help from Wales, and South Africa and Papua New Guinea! But a wonderful acheivement from the England team - it's just a pity that for many people reading the word 'England' upsets them somewhat.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 08:34 AM

I have to say, though, that what I found particularly contemptible was all the 'fashion victims' who suddenly decided that 'cricket is cool' because England was winning.

Such is the nature of the British/English public, DB...

I wouldn't be entierly negative though. I don't think for one moment they all would become passionate followers of cricket, following England through think and thin but there is a good chance that some will have been sold on the game, rather than just the success. The biggest hope of course it that there will be some youngsters within that group - whose to say that a future England star may not have been attracted to the game by this series?

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Tam the man
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 08:49 AM

It's Just that the Word England or English is about the people or the country that they live in, When I read about people talking about Britain and they really mean England, it's like when I go to Australia for my holidays, I come from Scotland, and not England, I mean how would you like to called A Scot or Welsh or Irish, you see some of us are more patrtaiotic that some others, I get asked questions like what's the weather like in England and I see to the Australians I don't know because I don't come England, so I say well what is the weather like in New Zealand, and they don't like that at all, well it's the same with the Scots, Welsh and the Northern Irish, we have keep reminding the people that we are not English we're either Scots, Welsh or Nortern Irish or British.

That all, I'm sorry but I am a very passionate Scot.

And I have upset anyone then I'm sorry, any way what this all got to with cricket and England wining the Ashes, let's not spoil their day.

I'm glad that England won.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Tam the man
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 08:58 AM

BOTH SIDES THE TWEED
( Words trad, amended by Dick Gaughan / Music : Dick Gaughan )

What's the spring-breathing jasmine and rose ?
What's the summer with all its gay train
Or the splendour of autumn to those
Who've bartered their freedom for gain?

Let the love of our land's sacred rights
To the love of our people succeed
Let friends and honour unite
And flourish on both sides the Tweed.

No sweetness the senses can cheer
Which corruption and bribery bind
No brightness that gloom can e'er clear
For honour's the sum of the mind

Let virtue distinguish the brave
Place riches in lowest degree
Think them poorest who can be a slave
Them richest who dare to be free

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 09:10 AM

I've no problem with that Tam. I lived maybe 30 years as an Englishman in Wales and am aware of the England=UK attitude that some people have. That said, I feel you have made your point on this many times in these cricket threads and whether people agree with you or not, your view has been taken note of.

I'm honestly not sure of the current situation with England and cricket but on that one, I just look at it as an historical naming that doesn't seem to trouble too many people. It would perhaps be more akward to rename the team?

The ECB does represent both England and Wales and one of our best bowlers in the series (Simon Jones) is Welsh. I'm not sure how Scotland or Northern Ireland fit into it now but as I said before, I can even point you to a captain of England who was a Scotsman.

BTW. England once had a bowler that I really liked - great accuracy - that I once thought was Scottish - Angus Fraser - but I believe he was born in Lancashire.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Les from Hull
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 09:21 AM

The England cricket captaincy passed from Tony Lewis (Wales) to Mike Denness (Scotland) to Tony Greig (South Africa)!

I'm from 'ull, me!

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: MBSLynne
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 09:29 AM

I agree Tam...a lot of people think that Britain is a country and don't realise it's made up of several. I've never said I'm British. Apart from when I'm being Australian, I always say I'm English. And I really dislike being called a BRIT. I'd rather be a Pom!

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: John O'L
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 09:48 AM

Some of the 'fashion victims' may well be old cricket followers who had given up on England and have now returned.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 10:18 AM

I've never been clear about Poms. Would the Welsh be included?

And does a South African playing with an England count as a Pom? They wouldn't have got too far without him on that last day anyway...

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 10:22 AM

Pass the bucket please. The most boring sport on the planet, won by the most boring nation on the planet. Must dash old boy tea is served before rain. Thats the image they would like the world to see. Instead they are bigots one and all. I know I live in Birmingham and once lived in Worcester.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Tam the man
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 10:34 AM

I said that Guest that Cricket was boring, and I ended up getting beating up, so watch you're saying.

Tam frae Scotland

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 10:35 AM

Tam, speaking as an Englishman and proud of it (most of the time!)I think everyone has a right to assert, and be proud of, their national identity. This is only a problem when the people of a particular nation start to believe that they are better than any other nation (and, God knows, the English have been guilty of that attitude in the past!). I can only speak for myself and say that I have always liked and admired the other nations that we English share these islands with and I genuinely believe that the British Isles would be a lot poorer place without you.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Tam the man
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 10:53 AM

I'm the same, I just love other people's countries as well.
Oh By the way I love Swing low sweet chariot and Jeruslim by Parry and Blake.
I think that's they are brillant songs, there are people here in Scotland think that Swing low is an English song, just because the English sing it at Rugby games, me personally think it just a brillant song, and I sing at a wee session I go to in a town near to where I live in Scotland, and there's a rugby fan there who doesn't even join in with the song because the English sing it at rugby, but as I say it's only a song.

Tam Frae Scotland

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: el_punkoid_nouveau
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 02:57 AM

Well - over the last two or three years, we have won series' against just about every cricketing nation. Regaining the Ashes is definitely the crowning glory, and a just reward for all the work that has been put into building the team.

And Guest - if you don't like it, turn the TV off. This country is full of boring w*****s like you, who are too quick to denigrate the place they live. If you can't stand the heat - get out of the kitchen!

BTW - it was really great to come home to three Australians on Monday - even if one of them decided he was English after all!

epn

(And Lynne is absolutely right - the Aussies have nothing to be ashamed of - we did have test matches that lasted more than three days!)

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Paul Burke
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:07 AM

Rubbish, GUEST, cricket fans are not bigots... except Yorkshire fans, and them poncy southerners, and that snobby lot at Lord's, and of course Aussies, and the sheep shaggers from Wales, and the lesbian feminist women's cricket supporters (have they no respect for tradition?), and foreigners.

No, cricket fans are NOT bigots, especially Lanky heroes.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:10 AM

Dear el punkoid nouveau,

I wasn't 'denigrating my country' - I just don't like sport! If pressed I also tend to think that people who drone on and on and on...about f...ing sport are the boring w......s - but, there you are, live and let live, I suppose.

I just wish TV and newspapers and the radio weren't dominated by f...ing boring, f...ing sport, that's all!

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: MBSLynne
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:48 AM

Funny you should want to open this thread at all then Guest......

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 05:11 AM

Cricket season over - that means we'll all be freezing to death in a week or two......catching colds, bronchitis, it doesn't bear thinking about

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: John O'L
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 06:21 AM

Cricket season's just about to begin here.

The Windies are visiting. Should be good.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Tam the man
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 07:00 AM

I have just found out that England cricket team are number 2 in the world the number 1 team is Australia

Tam frae Scotland

So the Best team in the world got beat by the second best team in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Diva
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 07:25 AM

Well.....I've never really understood the game until a couple of weeks ago when my Hobbit explained it to me......and even I got caught up in it. I now find I'm in agreement with jimmy Reid....
Well Done and well deserved to both the Mens and the Womens teams

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST,Alan Day
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 11:17 AM

The sad thing about English Press, is that we now can now expect our heroes to be picked off one by one by a certain Sunday Newspaper and their lives torn apart.Every woman,affair,mistake,his clothes,
hairstyle,His wife,her affairs,clothes hairstyle etc will all be in the paper.A hero is to be cut off at the knees.
Well done lads,fantastic,now watch yout backs those bastards are after you.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Tam the man
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 12:54 PM

One its the British Press and two it was the English cricket team.

Tam

So they weren't many Scots or Northen Irish or even welsh heroes.

So please Remeber that old Joke is there any English well welcome to Britain

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: MBSLynne
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 05:47 PM

Sadly Alan, you're right. Not sure why this syndrome has occured. Any suggestions?

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: Alan Day
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 05:50 PM

Strange thing about sport our Cricket hit the same depths as your football team Tam.To watch a team slowly build to a World force is as exciting as winning the Ashes.I am watching your team Tam slowly get better under Walter Smith and I will be excited as you if they qualify for the next World Cup.
Yes I am English!
Take care
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: John O'L
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 07:33 PM

Lynne -

It's the tabloid mentality. They take a name that will be best known to most of the public and put it in a spectacular headline. (Destructive is always spectacular.) Freddy Flintoff better enjoy this brief honeymoon period. His days are numbered.

Subject: RE: BS: Well done England
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 07:42 PM

Freddy Flintoff better enjoy this brief honeymoon period. His days are numbered.

Not as numbered as those of Warne, thank God.

BTW, you know who has the best test bowling average for your side?

Full stats here