BS: Damian Green

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 17 - 02:06 PM

So, Keith, when you make a false claim it is just you stating your opinion. If you believe someone else has made a false claim, it is a lie.

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

Strikes again.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Dec 17 - 02:20 PM

"You have just made that up Jim."
You do this every time Keith
M15 were present during the raid
Can't be arsed digging it up again for a moron like you, but this is a reference to national security being involved
The earlier reference was from The Telegraph
Green made maximum use of the documents to secure damaging headlines in the Daily Mail, Sunday Telegraph and other papers. The sustained and high-profile campaign went far beyond the normal trade in leaks between whistleblowing civil servants and opposition MPs – with claims that some of the leaks involved national security.
The Cabinet Office called in Scotland Yard to investigate. Quick, an assistant commissioner who as head of the SO15 unit covered politically sensitive specialist operations, was instructed to take on the job.

Why do I waste my time with a moron who has no sense of self respect and seems happy to humiliate himself over and over
Coz I enjoy it - that's why
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Dec 17 - 02:43 PM

"Decent people call it lying."
And decent people call what you are doing Tuchas kising
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 17 - 05:24 PM

Green hasn't committed a criminal offence by downloading and using pornography. He probably hasn't committed a criminal offence by touching a young woman's knee. It does seem to me that the policeman in question saw the second allegation, had in his possession information that he probably wasn't entitled to make public, but saw Green trying to call others liars for dissing him when it was clear to the policeman that the chap is quite possibly anything other than squeaky clean. It's no use trying to pretend that the porn wasn't there, Keith. The questions being asked of Green are whether he knew that the porn was there, whether he knew who downloaded it, if it wasn't him then what did he do to find out who did do it, and whether he used that porn in work time. I'll add one more question to those: why isn't he suing the policeman for defamation?

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:06 AM

Steve,
It's no use trying to pretend that the porn wasn't there, Keith.

I am not. I merely point out that he denies it and the only evidence is an unsubstantiated claim by an ex-cop with reason to bear a grudge.

Jim, if there was no porn MI5 could not have been aware of it.
There is nothing anywhere to suggest that MI5 knew anything about any porn. You made that up Jim.

Dave, I did not make anything up.
It was the absolute truth that I inferred from your posts that you are not on Green's side.
If I was wrong you would be crowing about it.

I am sure that no-one here is in any doubt that as usual you agree with Steve, Jim and PFR, making me right all along.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:13 AM

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

Not surprisingly everyone can see it but you, Keith.

You stated quite categorically that "Every post of yours puts you firmly on the anti-Green side" but could not provide any evidence of that. That is all we need to know.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:13 AM

"
Jim, if there was no porn MI5 could not have been aware of it."
If there was, they covered it up
Of course we all realuise that MI5 have a record for truth and openness, so we have to believe them, don't we?
Do not accuse me of lying - you are the only one of this forum who lies constantly - habitually even
Reckon you missed your calling when you didn't join MI5
!I am sure that no-one here is in any doubt"
Your megalomania is showing again -- stop speaking for other people
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:16 AM

Steve,
The questions being asked of Green are whether he knew that the porn was there,

He has answered that unequivocally. He says he did not.
That makes all your other questions pointless.

If the ex-cops are prosecuted he will not need to take any action.
I believe that if you bring a case for defamation the onus is on you to prove you are innocent. That would be impossible for him to do even if he is completely blameless.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:26 AM

Dave,
You stated quite categorically that "Every post of yours puts you firmly on the anti-Green side"

Yes, and you can not deny that I was right about that.

but could not provide any evidence of that.

You made two posts that accepted Green's use of porn which he denies.
You made many posts sniping at those putting Green's case, but never criticised anything from your side, not even blatant lying.

I inferred correctly that you do not support Green.
If that is wrong, say so.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:35 AM

errmmm... who is going to look even sillier when Green 'resigns to spend more time with his family...???


..of course with 'the full support' of the Prime Minister....

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:40 AM

Still no evidence of "Every post you have made here has been against Green." then?

You made that up. Simple as that.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 05:35 AM

dave,
Every post you have made here has been against Green." then?
You made that up. Simple as that.

I made nothing up. All your posts did show you to be against Green, and I was right wasn't I Dave?

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 05:43 AM

It really is time we moved on from this idiocy - this has never been about the individual use of porn
Here it is about how elected public figures use work computers to access it; whether Green is one of those is, in the long run, immaterial - the figures of how many do are undeniable, though I have little doubt that Keith and his ilk would defend to the last every individual Tory who had done so and leap with both feet on every Labour member who has (as his running-mate Iians already has).
Arguments like this as far as they are concerned are political gesturings and have little to do with the subject under discussion   
These discussions should include the wider implications of the use of porn.
Today, the Irish Times has announced that one fifth of women doctors have been sexulally harrassed and/or bullied
There are no figures for the UK, bu it would be surprising if it wasn't similar.
We no what has happened in the Film and media industries, we know the appalling statistic of unreported rapes and the even more appalling ordeals women are put through when they dare accuse their predators.
Women are still very much second class citizens in these matters and treating them as commercial sex objects, as the porn industry does, it one of the major reasons why women are deprived of full citizenship.
I have always enjoyed sex - not as salacious voyeuristic titillation, but as a natural act of human expression.
Commercialising and marketing it it debases it and it debases the victims of it.
Let Keith defend his Tory role models till his eyeballs pop out but for crying out loud, leave him and his to wallow in their own swill.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 05:48 AM

"I made nothing up. All your posts did show you to be against Green, and I was right wasn't I Dave?"

You have been asked on numerous occasions to provide a post that shows that DtG is against Green.

You have utterly failed to do that, So either put up or shut up.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 05:50 AM

The tories are a weird bunch...

Ranging at one extreme from those who see sex as a vile act only to be endured in order to procreate;
to at the other extreme, those tories who put their knobs in the mouth of dead pigs....

I suppose the average middle of the road tories would just want to make as much profit as possible from privatising sex...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 09:12 AM

Jim,
defend to the last every individual Tory who had done so and leap with both feet on every Labour member who has

I have not responded to any of the sexual allegations against any Labour people, and I have not defended any Tory over it.
With Green, Steve started in with an assumption of his guilt and false claims that he made up.
I have not defended Green at all, but merely pointed to the absence of any evidence beyond the unsubstantiated allegations of the ex-cops.

Rag,
"I made nothing up. All your posts did show you to be against Green, and I was right wasn't I Dave?"
You have been asked on numerous occasions to provide a post that shows that DtG is against Green.

There are two posts where Dave refers to Green's use of porn as if it was a fact, several more where he attacks people who have put Green's case, and no single post where he attacks any of his friends putting the case against even when they actually resort to lying.
They show him to be against Green as I said, and Dave can not deny that he is.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 09:23 AM

Copy and paste his posts, if you are so confident.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 09:31 AM

No.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 09:41 AM

Is that because you cannot?

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 11:09 AM

No. I have explained how I knew from his posts that Dave was in agreement with your little group about Green, and I was right.

It is ridiculous to fill the thread with this trivia.
I will discuss it further on pm if you insist, but too much here already.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 11:33 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 11:50 AM

"beyond the unsubstantiated allegations of the ex-cops."
The allegations that the ex cops are lying are also unsubstantiated, yet you have described them as being "ex-cops with a grudge."
There has been no evidence put forward that they have a grudge - yet you put it down as a fact
The only accusation of them being "tainted" has been from a minister who's very position makes everything he says on this matter suspect, yet you put up his word as fact
Has there ever been evidence of "a grudge" or "tainted cops" before this suspect accused them of being so?
Yet you put up the word of a tainted minister" as fact
And you accuse us of rushing to judgement
Give us a break Keith - once again you have rammed your head far up the arse of the establishment to defend these shit-pots
Whate have you ever commented on the wide use of pornography by MPs, and if it is accurate, why shouldn't Green be guilty - he's also been accused of harassing a fellow Tory on a number of occasions - is she "tainted" too?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 12:06 PM

Jim,
There has been no evidence put forward that they have a grudge

Yes there is. There was an outcry over their behaviour in locking Green up and raiding his family home and offices. He said himself his career had been blighted by it.

The allegations that the ex cops are lying are also unsubstantiated,

No-one has actually alleged that, but I have referred to the fact that there is no corroboration.

Yet you put up the word of a tainted minister" as fact

I have not. I merely report accurately that he denies it. And, he is not "tainted."

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 12:22 PM

Read about the feud between Quick and Green here.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/01/damian-green-decade-long-feud-met-officer-bob-quick

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 12:29 PM

"And, he is not "tainted.""
He is every bit as "tainted" as the two cops you claimed
Bbo Quick has been accused of holding a grudge which he has not acted on for nine years, yet you say both cops are "tainted" - if they are on the basis of the word of an accused man, why isn't Green?
The main witness to Green's predilection to porn, Neil Lewis, said he had 'no doubt' the First Secretary of State had looked at the huge haul of grubby images".
What is he "tainted" by - that's what you have accused him of.
Is the lady fellow Tory who has accused him of being a dirty old man "tainted" as well?
Bit of a coincidence that one, don't you think?
Obviously not - after all, this is a Tory Government Minister we are talking about anf we all know, they don't DO THAT SORT OF THING
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 03:44 PM

All I ask is that you cut and paste just ONE post from DtG to support your assertion.

You have said that you will not.

I suggest that you CANNOT.

Prove me wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:00 PM

Keith - if you were to put as much time and obsession into learning to play a new musical instrument,
you'd be a virtuoso by the time all the rest of us eventually lose interest in a BS thread.....


Btw.. Green is a high ranking tory, he's bound to be guilty of something unsavoury.....

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 05:39 PM

"bound to be guilty"
Does that mean he's into bondage too
mmmmm!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 05:21 AM

Pfr and Jim, he has been denounced and you can just make up the evidence against him like in the show trials of old.
I despair that you people have no concept of fairness and justice.

Jim, the ladies accusation is being fully investigated, like those against innumerable prominent people just now including politicians from all parties. One senior Labour person took his own life without waiting for the outcome. No-one here has passed any comment on any of that.
The cops' unsubstantiated claims are also being investigated.

Rag, I will reply by pm.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 05:28 AM

"he has been denounced and you can just make up the evidence against him like in the show trials of old."
The show trials featured smearing and debasing people for an ulterior motive, as you have done with two people (on the basis of an accused dirty od man) in order to protect the reputation of a Governmnt minister
What evidence do you have that the two policemen who claimed to have seen the porn were lying - will you7 produce it before you send them to the Gulag?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 05:40 AM

Jim,
What evidence do you have that the two policemen who claimed to have seen the porn were lying

I have none but without any evidence to corroborate the claims, the fact that they were not made until 9 years later and the fact of the 9 year feud would allow a defence to claim they were unreliable witnesses.

Even if true there is still no crime and it is impossible to prove he was responsible anyway.

It makes a very flimsy case for taking someone's job. Why are you people so determined to condemn a man on so little evidence? It is just politics to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 06:12 AM

The porn was reported at the time - nothing was done about it
They did not pursue it
The cat that Damien Green has been accused of this and two cases of harassing the same women makes him a far more unreliable witness
What are you so determined to defend a government minister with a track record like this and a Parliamentary environment of regular use of porn, when he is surrounded by so much evidence
Rhetorical question - because he is a Tory Minister, of course
You've condemned Labour politicians as being misogynist bullies and anti-semites on far less evidence than this
Go away Keith your syphanitism is sikening
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 06:19 AM

I made nothing up. All your posts did show you to be against Green, and I was right wasn't I Dave?

Show us one post of mine that is against Green then. Really simple, If, as you say, all of my posts have been against Green you should be able to provide plenty but to date you have not provided one example. I wonder why that is.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 06:20 AM

But the police have nothing to prove his guilt.

They did at the time, it is said.
Maybe the gov of the time decided that it was not a sufficiently serious issue to preserve the reports thereto. Thus placing the gov of the time firmly and irrevocably in the camp of the "Apple School of Computer Security".

As if viruses these days are viruses, as opposed to trojans, zombies and snoopware! If you wanted covert surveillance of a foreign country where would you target? And how would you entice?

Anyone ignoring a serving politician as a vector is missing the point. Porn is dangerous on a company PC. Double triple that on a gov computer. It doesn't have to have happened, it only has to have rules and opinions to make us safe!

The world and his brother are fixated on the porn as porn, we need to think of it as a Trojan Horse. And Horse porn is not for the faint-hearted.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 06:34 AM

In fact, to make it even easier for you, here are the posts I made "Every post you have made here has been against Green."

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 04 Dec 17 - 04:37 AM

Just more made up shit by jom

I can understand you channeling Teribus in his absence, Iains, but there is no need to mimic Keith as well. He is still here.

FWIW I think all Tory MPs should watch as much porn as possible. May stop them fucking the country.

DtG

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 04 Dec 17 - 06:17 AM

So D the G you support the made up shit by your little packmates do you?

Where have I said I support anything? What made up shit and what little packmates? Your grasp of what goes on is equaled only by your lack of originality.

As to When reasoned argument fails, it is time to resort to insults. That is pretty rich coming from the abuser in chief himself. If you will excuse the phrase considering the circumstances. You couldn't make this shit up.

DtG

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 04 Dec 17 - 06:33 AM

I do support remaining in the EU. WTF has that got to do with Damian Green's liking for pornography?

I neither associate nor disassociate myself with anyone else's views on Mudcat. There is no such thing as 'little packmates'. Do you approve of Iains's constant abuse and invective?

DtG

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 04 Dec 17 - 06:59 AM

Definitely channeling Keith as well as terbus now.

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

DtG

There is only four and, as far as I can see there is no anti-Green sentiment in any of them.

Would you care to tell us how you arrived at the conclusion that every one of them was against Green or are you eventually going to admit that you made it up?

I suppose pigs might fly one day...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 06:36 AM

"And Horse porn is not for the faint-hearted"
Neigh - it most certainly is not
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 06:50 AM

I don't want Green brought down due to porn which he may, or may not, have watched.

I want him brought down for being complicit in The Gross Negligence Manslaughter Of The People, including we 1950s women whom he chose to utterly denounce when head of the DWP.

These Witch Hunt Media Trials are appalling.

They tried to pin such a charge on Rolf too, of course, despite the police KNOWING it wasn't he who'd viewed the sites and that they were LEGAL, and they'd viewed the computer of the person who HAD viewed them via Rolf's computer and found the same sites on there too.

The People are being driven to their deaths by these brutal, evil Tories and Green is one of them at the top. He deserves all that's coming to him, but let him be in Court for the RIGHT reasons.

By the way, for those not aware, case against Rolf in Portsmouth Community Centre (youngest so-called 'victim') overturned by Court of Appeal. She made the entire thing up, earned herself £22,000 and the rest, as she gave (sold?) many stories to the press too...and CPS not going to charge her with perjury as this would mean they and the police would have to disclose how they, basically, set Rolf up from the start...Entire trial now unsafe of course, but justice system clinging to its' raft of 'no further appeals!' at present...

And now, back to Damian.....

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 07:07 AM

Jim,
The porn was reported at the time - nothing was done about it

You just made that up. It was not reported at the time.

What are you so determined to defend a government minister

I am not. I just point out to those who assume he is guilty just because of who he is that there is no actual evidence against him except the unsubstantiated claims of two unreliable witnesses nine years after the event.

Why are you so ready to condemn him without proper evidence? Rhetorical question - because he is a Tory Minister, of course

You've condemned Labour politicians as being misogynist bullies and anti-semites on far less evidence than this.

I have not. Those were all current accusations with corroborating hard evidence.

Mr.Red,
But the police have nothing to prove his guilt.

They did at the time, it is said.
Maybe the gov of the time decided that it was not a sufficiently serious issue to preserve the reports thereto.

It was a police investigation.

Dave, as I said there are two posts where you refer to Green's use of porn as if it were a fact, ignoring his denials and the absence of any hard evidence.
You also repeatedly and only attacked anyone who put Green's case but never criticised any of the anti-Green group even when they resorted to blatant lies against Green.
That was more than sufficient for me to know you are anti-Green, and I am right aren't I?
I will put the two posts in a pm to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 08:13 AM

There were four posts prior to you sating that "Every post you have made here has been against Green." Regardless of any views I have on Green, none of those posts are in any way, shape or form against Him. They are all there for everyone to see but you still insist that they say something that they obviously do not.

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 08:27 AM

"You just made that up. It was not reported at the time."
This has become a kneejerk response to unpalatable facts
The results of the raid were reported by those who took part in it - that is part of police procedure
Do you honestly think that this was what was demanded from such an exercise?
"I have not. Those were all current accusations with corroborating hard evidence."
The "hard evidence" concerned criticism of Israel yet you opened several hreads and continud thm until the were closed down all accusing the Labour Party of Antisemitism - do you really not know that is Antisemitic by definition to associate the Jewish people with the actions of Israel.
Enough said on that subject
You have openly accused two policemen of lying and have said they were tainted - one of those has never been accused of anything, the other was guilty of a slip in protocol
You are making things up, not me
Silly little man
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 11:10 AM

Jim,
The results of the raid were reported by those who took part in it - that is part of police procedure

Yes, but no porn was reported.
If it was it would be on the police file.

The "hard evidence" concerned criticism of Israel

No. There is nothing wrong with criticising Israel.

all accusing the Labour Party of Antisemitism - do you really not know that is Antisemitic by definition to associate the Jewish people with the actions of Israel.

Those accusations were made by Labour Party members and in most cases there were tweets or other hard evidence to corroborate them.
Give an example of one that I accused unreasonably.

You have openly accused two policemen of lying

I never have. I merely point out that because of the 9 year feud and because they did not report it until 9 years later, their unsubstantiated allegations are tainted.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 11:24 AM

Dave,
There were four posts prior to you sating that "Every post you have made here has been against Green." Regardless of any views I have on Green, none of those posts are in any way, shape or form against Him

Yes they were. You posted about his use of porn as if it was an established fact, and attacked anyone who put his case.
It was obvious to me from that that you were against Green, and that is true, isn't it Dave?

Now, you have conceded defeat on this already, so why keep on and on about a trivial point you have already lost?

Write your silly litany about language and morality again for us to ignore one more time, then drop it you sad man.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 11:42 AM

Keith - hello..hello.. 21st Century calling.. hello.. 2017 calling Keith...

What on earth are you blathering on about Stalin show trials.. it's 2018 in less than a few weeks..

Which page of the reactionary debater's strategy play book says
"if in doubt, or sheer desperation, bring up associations of totalitarian Russian Communism to hurl at lefty opponents, and hope the smear sticks"...?????

No.. it's not that clever.... seriously....

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 11:54 AM

Don't. Feed. The. Troll.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 12:12 PM

"Don't. Feed. The. Troll."
I'll drink to that in Guinness tonight and probably come home drunk and fed the troll
Let's all heed these wide words folks - this clown usually stonewalls, as he is doing here, then, when all else fails, closes down the thread with constant diversion and repetition
Not this time eh?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 12:23 PM

Can't we just feed him a little bit.. it is nearly xmas after all.. goodwill to all men and that...

.. and he is our troll..
not just some unknown stray lurking in a back alley living in the bins....

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 12:28 PM

Throw him a biscuit out of the car window as you drive over his bridge
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Dec 17 - 03:44 AM

You really have lost it big time haven't you Keith.

4 posts. None of them attacking Green as anyone can see yet you still insist they did and claim some sort of victory. You then resort to abuse which you have always reckoned is a sure sign that you have no sensible argument. No need for me to repeat anything when you make such a good job of showing everyone what you are really like. I think I shall join everyone else on here in ignoring you.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Dec 17 - 08:05 AM

Dave, you have already conceded this point 3 times but here you are raising it again!
That is sad Dave. Sorry.

Not overtly attacking Green is not enough to hide your opinion of him.
Your attacking one side only does that, and also you posted of his use of porn as if it was an established fact.
That is more than enough to show that you are once again in agreement with Steve, Rag, Backwoodsman, Jim and Pfr as you always are anyway.
If that is wrong, you could just say so Dave.

If you insist on continuing this ridiculous non-debate, I will only do it on pm. (I already started but you and Rag ignored them.)
Continuing it here would make me as sad as you!

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Dec 17 - 08:33 AM

"I pmd you because you asked for stuff that I could not justify putting in the Damian Green thread because it was so trivial"

You made an unfounded and incorrect accusation against another member of this forum, that is not a trivial matter.

You have been unable too substantiate that accusation and thought you could get away from it by making a personal note.