BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:05 PM

What a glorious day!

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:05 PM

The ninth post in a row from a Brit. We do follow your politics, and you may be assured that this effusion is no more than a reflection of our sheer relief.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:06 PM

Well NEARLY the ninth in a row... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:08 PM

Yes Biden won by a margin greater than JFK and even Ronald Reagan. I toasted Obama's win with Champagne / I will toast Biden's win with warm Milk and Cinnamon toast.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:14 PM

a message for trump
to quote cromwell, You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately ... In the name of God, go!"

Subject: RE: TRESPASSER AND CHEF
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:15 PM

No, I can't forget that evening
Or Fox News as votes were leaving
But I guess that's just the way the story goes
I always yell but in my eyes my anger grows
Yes, it grows

No, I can't forget tomorrow
When I think of all my sorrows
At the white house they turned off the power
It is not fair they turned off the power
These grapes are sour

I can't lie, if lieing is without power
I can't grift, I can't gripe any more
Can't live, if living is without TV !
I can't tweet, I can't tweet any more!

Well, I can't forget that evening
Or the anger of them stealing
But I guess that's just the…

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:21 PM

Looks like old trump is going to be serenaded tonight by massive crowds in Black Lives Matter Plaza. We're celebrating with Chili and Apple pie tonight. Times sure have changed.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Helen
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:28 PM

pfr, have you been watching Adam Hills The Last Leg? In the episode this week he showed a Monopoly-style game board but it was called Democracy and the last thing he did was a reference to a certain person going straight to jail.

I just read the news here in Oz. Yes Joe Biden and his team will have an uphill battle to restore some sort of balance and normality and he probably won't achieve everything to his complete satisfaction but if ever a battle was worth fighting for, this is it.

Yay for the real people!

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 02:14 PM

No, I rarely watch TV comedy shows..

[Real world politics is darkly cruel enough absurdist comedy..!!!]

But it's such an obvious thought, it's bound to spontaneously enter many thousands of imaginative minds
all at the same time...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 02:40 PM

The orange tick has dug his way (and that of his family) into a position of power and it's going to take more than a hot match head to get them to back out of the flesh of American government. They're all going to have to put their houses up for sale, they're going to have to restart their businesses, and, yes, they're going to have to keep attorneys on retainers to settle all of the lawsuits and represent them in court for criminal proceedings.

They probably will trash the place as they go, so here's hoping the non-partisan federal employees who look over the White House and other public buildings used by Trump will be able to stand up to the Trumps. And please, fumigate the White House before the new First Family moves in.

Trump has been briefed on all sorts of top secret activity, he still has the nuclear codes. This is a really dangerous time to have a sociopathic toddler's temper tantrum run for the next 2.5 months.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 7 Nov
From: Helen
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 03:10 PM

Regarding the sociopathic toddler's temper tantrum, this song just popped into my head - before I read your post SRS.

Can't Stand Losing You

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 03:44 PM

Don, I can vibe with the sentiment, but somebody really needs to talk to you about scansion.

I'd like to find a party in some close-by street, but, you know,... germs. (Plus I'd have to drive there, find a place to park, and walk to the fun place. and it doesn't work with my level of laziness.)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 04:21 PM

I've inquired about the same thing. There are fewer Democrats in this Texas county so I think maintaining distance would be easier than in Times Square or Black Lives Matter plaza in Washington, D.C. And just think about the Black Lives Matter stretch of Fifth Avenue in New York City tonight. Now that will be something to see.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 04:25 PM

I have to consider that there are (I would presume) a lot of folks who are close to Trump, who have been biting their tongues and putting up with his bullshit for a few year, and will likely be happy they can stop doing that. And they're also close enough to stop any acting out he might do.

I hope, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 04:30 PM

US Police and military will be preparing for fall out action,
and testing their loyalties...

Definitely a time to be glad I live in Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: mg
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 06:27 PM

I don't see this as a deeply divided country. There are extremists on all sides but there is a strong and sane center that wants security, safety, life, liberty, right to own property, right to free speech and freedom to vote however in honest elections (which are only as honest as loopholes that are closed). I am glad biden won, wish it was by more so less contesting the vote, but he did not deserve a landslide.he failed to even condemn the rioting and supposedly 88% of trump voters mentioned that as a factor in exit polls. It was a huge factor for me, although I did not vote for him. They need to tell the big packed crowds to disperse..what are they thinking of in raging pandemic.same for trump rallies, huge weddings etc. Go home and tweet. Stay home for Thanksgiving. Be grateful for the outcome but we will be better off with minimum smugness and condescension.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 07:27 PM

Mg, I think it looks like we're so divided because the crazy part of the right wing is very, very loud. I just hope they're jealous enough of all the block parties going on now that they'll see how wrong they are and join the fun.
and then flying monkeys come out of my ass and sprinkle fairy dust on everyone, and we all sing "kumbaya", and hug

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: meself
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 08:12 PM

Biden indeed DID condemn the rioting - but that doesn't fit the narrative, so ....... Besides, even if he didn't - what manner of human being could vote for someone who destroyed families by stealing toddlers from their mothers?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 08:27 PM

Perhaps you should have expected someone with a career of hypnosis and mind control to forgive all the Trumpsters as victims of a fractured mind, put in a bubble of solitary confinement, subjected to psych algorithems on Facebook, all with the background audio of right wing radio bought by Sinclair to further reinforce the elimination rhetoric, and QAnon extremism that precedes a holocaust while strung out on Fox News.

If npr had been corrupted you too might believe an awful story and start down the road of a fractured mind syndrome. Don't think you are immune. The correct term is disinformation - not misinformation when it is used deliberatetly in mind control. Believe me control of the masses is a real current career path today.

I'm the maverick that is like a defense against the dark arts professor. Or like Penn and Teller showing people how tricks and illusions are done. I'm the one who refused to work for the CIA in this field when I was actively recruited. There were consequencea and sacrifice.

Undoing the fractured mind is tedious work but can be done in less time than a Presidential term. This is not hocus pocus BS but is serious stuff that works on intelligent people.

Like hacking code, toxic and poisonous mind control is out of the CIA bag now and is being used in cults and republican think tanks and nations..

WHAT TO DO NOW? Forgive those fractured and enamored with Trump - Half of them can be easily redeemed.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Elmore
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 11:35 PM

Trump has something to boast about. Seventy million plus voters, and he lost. Makes him the biggest loser of all time.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 02:30 AM

Yes, Joe Biden did indeed- and frequently! - condemn the violence. He often said, very forcefully, 'Demonstrating is an American right but looting and burning and vandalism is NOT demonstrating. They are CRIMES.'

I don't quite see how anyone missed that.

But I have a question: Just how much power does the outgoing president retain during the period between the election and the inauguration?

I know he can pardon all manner of people- evidently including himself, which saves him from ONLY federal crimes but does not save him from state infractions. So my expectation is that he will preemptively pardon his family and a number of others. (A feature of pardons that is sometimes overlooked is that accepting a pardon indicates that you recognize your guilt.)

But surely he cannot enter into agreements with other national heads? Surely not declare wars? Respond to aggression, yes, but not otherwise?

Oh, and Donuel, your post of Nov. 6 at 8:46 AM needs crediting. If I had not previously seen that elsewhere, I would have thought you ere claiming it as our own. Perhaps no one else would have but I am the trusting sort.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 03:13 AM

Trump has farted and thus departed, graffiti on wall of toilet 2020

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 09:02 AM

Have you seen this? Not made up. You couldn't make this stuff up

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 09:34 AM

What an incredible screw up but having seen Borat's Subsequent Movie Film it makes perfect sense that Rudy would stage the thing next to an adult store. He probably wanted to duck in for a little post-presser shopping.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 10:01 AM

At least you knew the song Ebbie. I do 60 second parody songs, prose and less often poetry that can take weeks or years as in the case of "the dark ages were golden for some".

The main thing is to catch them in the breeze while they blow past.

Concession doesn't matter especially to professional critics

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 10:03 AM

Biden didn't just squeak through with the election, he had four million plus more votes than Trump. It's only this obsolete "Electoral College" - a remnant of the slave states era, that makes it look "close." (States with a low population of white land-owning men compared to the larger percentage of slaves, decided that a "winner take all" setup would give them more clout to protect their slave-holding status). Now that the populace as a whole is entitled to vote, that relic needs to go away.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 10:06 AM

Have you seen this? Not made up. You couldn't make this stuff up"

I don't think enough is being made of the fact the adult bookshop is called "Fantasy Island"

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 10:28 AM

The AP has called AZ for Biden and if he takes GA, and it appears he will, he'll wind up with 306 electoral votes, the same amount trump had in 2016 when he claimed he won by "the biggest landslide in history". So this thing wasn't all that close in either the popular vote or the "Electoral College".

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 10:48 AM

Good catch all.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 11:47 AM

Now the efforts begin to win the 2 Senate seats in Georgia. $$$$$ will flow....

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 12:26 PM

One reason for optimism regarding those GA runoff elections is that since trump won't be on the ballot some of those boneheads that support him might not be bothered to show up at the polls. I'll certainly kick in a few bucks, the enormous task of cleaning up trump's gigantic mess will be considerably easier if the Democrats control the Senate and the thought of the corrupt, racist, QAnon enthusiast Kelly Loeffler winning a seat is nauseating.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 06:06 PM

The reason I said Trump is now at 214 electoral votes is because faithless electors could change the 'final countdown'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 11:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gr0B16rFzI

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 01:01 AM

Faithless electors are rarely a thing - and many states have laws that simply prevent their changing their votes.

I suppose the BBC may go by the "equal time" rule that the FCC used to impose on radio and TV here, but it ends up with minority crackpots getting equal time with actual players in a serious conversation. They were interviewing a woman from North Carolina tonight who was trying to claim Trump shouldn't concede and the court cases have "merit," even though she couldn't give any facts as to what actual real merit might exist. It was a waste of airtime.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 01:26 AM

trumps got a couple of months
and state of the art technology at his team's disposal
to fabricate digital 'proof and merit'...

Us Brits are totally bewildered
why you yanks permit the loser to stay barricaded in power
for so long after defeat in the election.?????

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 02:43 AM

punkfolkrocker, that was my implied question: How much power does the outgoing president retain=why is there such a long period of time available for mischief making? I know the reasoning and that inaugurations used to be held in March because travel was so slow. However, that is no longer the case and it seems to me that December 1, say, should be plenty of time.

They are saying that Biden has spent the last few months formulating his cabinet members, long before he could be sure he would be elected. That seems logical to me.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 04:41 AM

SRS, Our 'equal time' policy here is ridiculous. BBC seem compelled to wheel out Nigel Farage at a drop of a hat, even though he, and his party, holds no public office anywhere. Every time he opens his vile mouth I want to scream or throw something at the TV.

In my view, the amount of airtime a party or so-called party gets should be proportionate to the number of councillors, regional representatives and MPs. Otherwise BBC should be giving equal coverage to everyone who has aspiration to become a politician.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 05:14 AM

There's an excellent post mortem covering both sides of the campaign in the Washington Post titled "Trump Loses His Most Drastic Gamble".

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 08:18 AM

you can think what you like so can i ,it makes no difference, however it exposes democracy as not a level playing field, it also means those parties who have the backing of money are at an advantage, that generally favours the establishment

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 10:40 AM

It used to be the new president didn't assume office until March of the following year. It was moved forward a long time ago, but this may be the election that has it moving even closer to the date of the election being certified. There is a lot of canvasing left to do, so the next day wouldn't work here (since the whole nation and not just a house of parliament makes this vote).

Trump even trots out Farage here in the US. That's what is so concerning about that fool - his need to import bigotry and haters.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 11:55 AM

Hitler lost his first election getting only 30%. Trump lost by several %.

POST CAMPAIGN RALLYS (the 1st of their kind) are planned and guns are not disallowed in certain areas. Trump may not be satisfied without blood being spilled like an unstable child seeking revenge. He would also possibly create Trump martyrs for his base as a fringe benefit for his domestic call to arms.

In lieu of dramatic scenarios like that his next 70 days will have to be handled very carefully. No help from the Republicans, they're busy getting Covid any way, like Ben Carson and Mark Meadows chief of staff and 30 others.

The revolution of the chiken shits is laughable.
I would charge him with sedition the moment he called on any federal forces to support his continuance. Tie him up by any means possible.
Frankly his militia of white supremacists is not up to the task of kidnapping Rosie O'Donnel.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 12:23 PM

trump needs to be reminded of the squalid fate of Nicolae Ceau?escu,
and so many other recently deposed dictators..

Even he must surely be aware of how it all ended for Julius Caesar...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 12:33 PM

IN REALITY (I never liked that phrase when followed by the lie de jour) The Trump presidency began by GOING DOWN his gilded escalator
and ended with his lawyer Rudy yelling in front of a sex shop and crematorium that "Biden stole the election". It is a short 2 mile trip down that same strip mall road to the Pennsylvania State Prison - no kidding.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 01:19 PM

I am a bit worried that some gun nut might see himself as a "have a go hero", or a self-proclaimed evangelist on a "holy mission".

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 01:37 PM

So what happens if trump death squads successfully assassinate Biden and Harris
before they get to take over in the Whitehouse...???

Is it still a firm win for the Democrat Party and any successors they nominate..?????

[when I studied politics at college over 40 years ago,
even our lecturer struggled to understand how USA government works...]

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 04:17 PM

My understanding is that if Biden dies before inauguration, Harris is it, and if she dies too, then the Speaker. But I think that is if they die *after* the electors elect.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 04:53 PM

why after?


Assasination although ever present is a rhetorical bridge too far. Last time the right cleaned house for 3 generations by getting JFK, MLK and RFK.

Spent all afternoon studying medieval Spanish history contrasting the tolerent and intolerent regiemes be they Islam or Christian. Jews always got the short stick from the other 2 religions.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 06:27 PM

A journalist interview of several Alaskans just caught my eye; they are talking about how long it takes to tally the votes in the state of Alaska at every election. The catch is that so many votes are mailed in, that the date of the postmark has to be part of the requirements. Although Alaska has begun to count the votes, it is estimated that only half of the votes have been counted at this point ... (Associated Press)

Ebbie, any opinions?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 07:03 PM

Looking at how long it takes to go from tolerence of your neighbor to participating in an actual holocaust against your neighbor takes an average of 10 years more or less based on all the examples since the 1st century. In Germany it took longer than it did in Rawanda.
The crucial step is eliminationist rhetoric. Google it and see what you have been hearing for 16 years already in the USA.

The best medicine is education so you know what and who is up to the worst that mankind is prone to do.

Someday a competant ethnic purity advocate can seduce average Americans to the dark side. Vigilence is never ending.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 08:48 PM

The hateful right is seeding a plethora of populist youtube superhero movie/comics channels for children,
with pernicious propaganda,
in a determined strategy to normalise and indoctrinate intolerance...