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Subject: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Donuel Date: 22 Oct 07 - 12:08 PM Our New Constitution http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html Our new Pentagon : In the largest Washington DC federal construction project since the PEntagon the new Homeland Security fortress is now underway. What does this all mean? I've said it all before. If there is such a thing as the quintisential last thread for an individual here, I suppose this is mine. If you like a youtube format there is plenty to do with what amounts to our new constitution that nullifies every emergency act , every word of the Constituion and every ammendement to the historic document. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bush+51+directive&search=Search But of course none of Presidential directive 51 is to take place until the "castastrophic disaster" is declared. It is defined as a significant loss of life. PS there is also a directive 52 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Barry Finn Date: 22 Oct 07 - 12:52 PM There's no checks & balances & there's no Congress??????? We the people are fucked! This paves the way for a Coup. He assumes complete control of the government. He will be our 1st Dick-taker. So if he's not impeached before a disaster takes place (self-created, self-forefilling) will we ever make it in time to the polls in time to save this nation from a neo-con facist state? What will they need us for? Take a wild guess! Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Bill D Date: 22 Oct 07 - 01:02 PM http://www.metafilter.com/61456/Protectng-the-piece-of-damn-paper |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Bill D Date: 22 Oct 07 - 01:07 PM http://minusthemusic.blogspot.com/2007/05/national-security-presidential.html seems others have noted this also. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Barry Finn Date: 22 Oct 07 - 01:18 PM Anothr item that the news media has seen as not fit for news worthy coverage. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Goose Gander Date: 22 Oct 07 - 01:46 PM And this is happening more or less in open view - you can't call it a conspiracy because IT'S NOT HIDDEN ANYMORE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 07 - 01:53 PM It never has been hidden. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Oct 07 - 01:56 PM No, but something IS effectively hidden if the main media do not cover it and the vast majority of the citizens of a country are not aware of it on a daily basis, and do not understand its implications. That's how consent is manufactured. By covering certain news exhaustively and ignoring other news. That's why you will hear a lot about Brittney Spears' personal problems or how Iran is a "threat to the world", but very little about what Mr Bush is doing to establish his dictatorship. The legal moves that Adolf Hitler and Mussolini made to consolidate their power were not hidden either. They were just camouflaged and justified under rhetoric about other stuff, and the people bought it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 07 - 01:57 PM "(24) Security. This directive and the information contained herein shall be protected from unauthorized disclosure, provided that, except for Annex A, the Annexes attached to this directive are classified and shall be accorded appropriate handling, consistent with applicable Executive Orders. GEORGE W. BUSH" Gotta love the guy, huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 07 - 02:02 PM True, LH, but when I want to know what my insurance policy says, I read it. I don't 'listen to the salesman'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 07 - 02:08 PM '"Another [9/11 type terrorist] attack could create both a justification and an opportunity that is lacking today to retaliate against some known targets" (Statement by Pentagon official, leaked to the Washington Post, 23 April 2006)' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 07 - 02:12 PM . . . and the orders are already in place for the military to take over police duties at both federal and state levels. Makes a guy feel all warm inside. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Goose Gander Date: 22 Oct 07 - 02:37 PM Will that be the US military, or will that be Blackwater? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Oct 07 - 02:37 PM Well, Peace, you're an old dog like me with a lot of experience, that's why. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Donuel Date: 22 Oct 07 - 02:40 PM The new seat of goverment is HS under presidential decree. HS needs more manpower. Call TITAN, Call Blackwater... A lot of proud guys with fancy new weapons will be glad to put disloyal America bashers in their place. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 07 - 02:40 PM LH, we been on before about this stuff, and it's just heating up. What odds they giving in Vegas it all happens on Bush's watch? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Donuel Date: 22 Oct 07 - 04:30 PM So you think that it will be done when Fred Thompson is playing the president? Oh well it will happen eventually (too much has been invested by Murcdoch and others) but until it does we might as well all be happy and bury this thread |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 07 - 05:35 PM The thread can't go just yet, Don. We've yet to have someone, usually a nameless guest, tell us we have tinfoil hats. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Oct 07 - 05:58 PM My first reaction was, this has to be a spoof put together by some satirist. Someone please tell me I was right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 07 - 05:59 PM Say it ain't so? No can do, McG of H. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 23 Oct 07 - 10:22 AM Lest we forget . . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: GUEST,a shadow of my former elf Date: 23 Oct 07 - 09:30 PM Am I the nameless guest? Seems I get an "access denied" screen whenever I pass by here nowadays. Must've been the Hitlary '08 handle I started using. Directive 51 is hot air. It has to be enforced. I shot one-inch groups at 200 yards this weekend, and I was outshot. They should've disarmed us first, like they did the Canadiennes and the Brits. Those poor folks. A link to a transcript of a 3-hour radio show--the most interesting thing I've read lately: http://www.rense.com/general77/fulf.htm I'd list the link in a more appropriate place, but it's all tea and crumpets here now. Essentially, Fulford says it's over for the global elite in the west. They have til High Noon to shit or git off the pot. The SARS stuff is interesting. The whole thing's interesting. The audio may be archived at the Rense site. And how 'bout the Bill Maher thing last Friday? The mass murderers of 9-11 are in sooo much trouble. Don't bother responding to this. The fascists rarely let me through this door nowadays. Cheerio, y'all.
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: GUEST,shadow of... Date: 23 Oct 07 - 10:03 PM Well, since I'm here, I may as well elaborate on the Bill Maher comment. Several people in the audience of his live cable television program last week spoke up about the ongoing September 11 coverup. They were scattered through the audience, and when one would get hustled away by security, another would stand up and shout. they disrupted Maher's show for 5 minutes, and during that time he revealed himself as one of the Bush/Clinton sub-demons. He actually defended GWBush. He's a gatekeeper for the liberal branch of the neocon fascists. The film clip has just hit Youtube and will be yanked and reposted, yanked and reposted I'm sure, so just go to youtube and search for something like, "Bill Maher Throws Out 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists On Live TV." Ought to bring up something. 9/11 is the seminal event. It is the seed of the destruction of people who'd try to make you think PD 51 trumps the Bill of Rights. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Oct 07 - 10:23 PM We canadians are not unarmed. You'd be surprised how many privately owned guns there are in this country. Thanks for the link. A lot of interesting stuff there...they even mention David Icke and his weird theories in passing. Very interesting indeed. I had not heard about the Oriental connections before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 24 Oct 07 - 08:54 AM Estimates are 2.4 million to 3.8 million firearms in the counter of Canada. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 24 Oct 07 - 09:00 AM "Canadiennes" would rather imply he was just talking about Canadian women - and probably only the French speaking ones. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 24 Oct 07 - 09:11 AM Well, O Nameless One, I agree with your politics but you don't know jackshit about Canada. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Little Hawk Date: 24 Oct 07 - 09:23 AM Ditto. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Donuel Date: 24 Oct 07 - 02:00 PM "My first reaction was, this has to be a spoof put together by some satirist." Yes indeed I am a satirist who sometimes find it necessary to show what is happening... thats why I used the official WhiteHouse.gov website link http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html For 60 years the goverment has been controlled by no fewer than 100 corporations. It is no longer arrogance but merely a natural course of events for corporate war profiteers who control a military empire to overtly take over the entire constitutional chain of command and balances so that there are no obstacles to war except for flesh and blood that can be obliterated with extreme predjudice and low cost. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Little Hawk Date: 24 Oct 07 - 02:22 PM Abraham Lincoln was already warning in the 1860's that big business interests were threatening to subvert and destroy the democratic traditions of the USA. It's inevitable, really, that that would happen in a $ySStem where money is the final arbiter of all important decisions, and where decisions are made in order to secure profits...and other forms of personal gain for those in charge of either making the decisions...or going along with them. You can easily hire people to kill the ones who don't go along or to simply intimidate them into silence. You can control the primary media sources, because you own them. You can edit what people hear about and what they don't. You can shape media reporting to mould the common people's perceptions of reality. The only real chink in that armor is the Internet, at this point...and the fact that these guys don't control the whole world. They're working on doing so, mind you, but I do not think they will succeed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 24 Oct 07 - 02:45 PM It would be soooo easy to shut the 'net down. (Ninety percent of it, anyway.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Little Hawk Date: 24 Oct 07 - 03:07 PM How? Through the servers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: dick greenhaus Date: 24 Oct 07 - 06:14 PM Well, if worst comes to worst, we can move to Cuba. Bush is trying to make sure that they have a democratic government. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 24 Oct 07 - 06:17 PM Bush had best spend his time making sure the United States of America has a democratic government. If democracy's good enough for them, then it's good enough for Americans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: GUEST,a shadow of my former elf Date: 25 Oct 07 - 01:26 AM So what are you saying Joe Offer, that I see the access denied screen because I use assorted names? I think a more likely reason is that you just have some pissy moderators who thought they were "liberals" all their lives but are now starting to realize they are fascists. Welfare-state fascists. Their Chosen One Hitlary says Americans should be FORCED to purchase health insurance, and the Iraq war should go on forever, and there won't be any tax increases for the super rich. Must be hard to be a Democrat nowadays. Let's see...before the door's slammed on me again, the Fulford thing. Somehow I get the feeling the guy is perpetrating a hoax. Things are so utterly bad in America, it seems as if nothing short of a miracle can save the country. And up pops this miracle. A mysterious Oriental society. And if the wicked Illuminati doesn't go along with the society's wishes, it'll kill, probably with technology that causes strokes. And they'll start at the top with David Rockefeller. But Rockefeller is 96 frickin years old, so if he has a stroke tomorrow, what does that mean? Is it just nature taking its course, or have we been saved by the Yakuza? Man. What a perfect cover story. The only thing that would make me believe the story is is video of Cheney getting disassembled with samurai swords. So, should I just stick to the "Hitlary '08" handle, Joe? I've worked up a nice bumper sticker design with the slogan and sent it to the Clinton campaign...waiting to hear back. I think it would appeal to the far right-wing crowd, pull people together under the big tent and all that. Let me know on the handle thing.
Thank you. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Oct 07 - 03:43 AM I have to say I see no reason for alarm about this "Directive 51." It seems to be just an update of the "Doomsday Plan" we've had for a generation or more. You can put "spin" on it and see it as some evil right-wing plot to take over the country, but I really don't think that's likely to happen. And if an unthinkable catastrophe DID happen, I'm reassured to know that there's some sort of plan in place that will attempt to keep the government running. It's one of those plans you hope never gets used, but I'm glad to know that it's there if it's needed. -Joe Offer (I've never been good at believing in conspiracies)- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: dick greenhaus Date: 25 Oct 07 - 10:53 AM Joe- It's just that the same people who cn declare an emergency are the ones that get all the power if an emergency is declared that bothers me. I'm a firm disbeliever in laws that work only if we can assume good will on the part of the enforcers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Barry Finn Date: 25 Oct 07 - 02:52 PM Agreed Dick & there are no checks & balances built into "51" to prevent a tragic mishandling of those powers. It's a step in the wrong direction without a safety valve & without any restraint. There's reason to believe that this could be used as a way to circumvent what otherwise would need congressional appvoval. I'm dead against giving that type of power & control over to fools never mind giving it to those that can be trusted. It's giving away the farm for an unjustified feeling of security. So far the government hasn't handled one national emergency crisis with care & intellegance what makes anyone think that giving one man complete control of the whole (espically a idiot) country would make us safer. Do we really need to be that SAFE??????? Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Oct 07 - 03:22 PM You say you're not inclined to believe in in conspiracies, Joe? But there are always conspiracies. Thousands and thousands of them, big and small, private and national. Every plan that is hatched in secret behind closed doors between two or more people who have little or no intention of revealing all its details to the entire world outside those doors IS a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy whether or not it is a good plan or a bad plan, whether or not it has been hatched by criminal minds or public benefactors. It's a conspiracy when the "bad guys" do it, it's a conspiracy when the "good guys" do it. Therefore, to say you are not inclined to believe in conspiracies is just downright silly. What you are really saying is that you are not inclined to believe in those conspiracies that didn't already occur to you or that you don't find agreeable to your view of the things are....... ;-) The Bush administration has been hatching its own conspiracies since Day 1, regardless of whether or not it has to do with the Illuminati or some such group. That's what administrations do. They hatch conspiracies, they camouflage them under patriotic blather and propaganda and disinformation, and they hope most people will be fooled and that their conspiracy will achieve its intended goals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Richard Bridge Date: 25 Oct 07 - 11:47 PM I'm always amused at the idea that a bunch of people with rifles can effectively resist the military force that bombed Afghanistan and Iraq back into the stone age. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Oct 07 - 12:24 AM Oh, they may have tried to bomb Afghanistan and Iraq back to the stone age, Richard, but they have not yet succeeded in doing so. And they're not going to succeed. The Afghans and the Iraqis will outlast the American empire, just like the Vietnamese did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Barry Finn Date: 26 Oct 07 - 12:24 AM I can't seem to find the amusement but I do find that the stupidity of a military that's capuabale of boming Afghanistan & Iraq back into the stone age can't figure out how their enemy's strengths are working at their own weaknesses to defeat them, espically when one would think that they've already learn the same lessons not 40 yrs earlier Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Oct 07 - 12:43 AM They are incapable of winning their pre-emptive foreign wars of aggression, because those wars were launched for stupid and downright insane reasons, on false pretenses that virtually no one would believe except maybe about half the American public who know nothing they don't hear on mainstream TV, and because their wars are irrational and unjustifiable on any basis. Such causes are never won in the end, they are lost, because they have no moral basis whatsoever...and because their military presence is utterly intolerable to the people whose lands they invade. Like Hitler and Mussolini they don't deserve to win their damned wars, and they are not going to win them. But it will take time and a lot more blood before it's over. The so-called War on Terror IS terrorism. It's the number one terrorist effort in the world....which is NOT to say, however, that the American soldiers who are serving over there realize they are committing terrorism. They don't, and I wouldn't expect them to. Soldiers almost never realize a thing like that, because they are simply doing the job they were trained to do, as best they can, and suffering and often dying in the process. It's not their fault. It's the fault of the politicians who sent them there under false pretenses, in pursuit of a hidden agenda. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 26 Oct 07 - 10:59 AM Ours is not to reason why . . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 26 Oct 07 - 11:03 AM The Charge of the Light Brigade by Alfred Tennyson. Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. "Forward the Light Brigade! Charge for the guns!" he said. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. Forward, the Light Brigade!" Was there a man dismay'd? Not tho' the soldier knew Some one had blunder'd. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon in front of them Volley'd and thunder'd; Storm'd at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of hell Rode the six hundred. Flash'd all their sabres bare, Flash'd as they turn'd in air Sabring the gunners there, Charging an army, while All the world wonder'd. Plunged in the battery-smoke Right thro' the line they broke; Cossack and Russian Reel'd from the sabre-stroke Shatter'd and sunder'd. Then they rode back, but not, Not the six hundred. Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon behind them Volley'd and thunder'd; Storm'd at with shot and shell, While horse and hero fell, They that had fought so well Came thro' the jaws of Death, Back from the mouth of hell, All that was left of them, Left of six hundred. When can their glory fade? O the wild charge they made! All the world wonder'd. Honor the charge they made! Honor the Light Brigade, Noble six hundred! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Stringsinger Date: 26 Oct 07 - 06:30 PM "The so-called War on Terror IS terrorism. It's the number one terrorist effort in the world." Little Hawk, the "War on Terror" is a ruse. Substitute the word "terror" for "communist" and you see the pattern. Create an enemy, divide and conquer. From: Joe Offer - PM " You can put "spin" on it and see it as some evil right-wing plot to take over the country, but I really don't think that's likely to happen." Joe, it already has happened while most Americans have been asleep. The Constitution is being dismantled before our eyes. This is why the US is in Iraq and why Bush wants us in Iran. A news blackout is part of the takeover. Anyone that speaks out in the entertainment field today is going to get "Dixie Chicked". Another disaster like 911 or Katrina will introduce martial law. The concentration camps are ready. This time is worse than McCarthyism because Bush can retain dissenters at will. During McCarthy there was the Fifth Amendment to protect dissenters from jail time. Not any more. "-Joe Offer (I've never been good at believing in conspiracies)-" I think that conspiracy theories are a good thing. They bring important issues to light that are ignored by the main-stream media and a corrupt administration. We don't have the answers as to why 911 happened and I am not willing to drink the White House Kool Aid. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Oct 07 - 06:39 PM I agree with you on every count, Frank. Yes, the War on Terror is a ruse. After the Soviet system's collapse in '89 the USA's gigantic military-industrial complex needed a new enemy, and soon. So they manufactured one. Now they have a war that is defined in such a manner that it can never be brought to an end. What could be more perfect for their purposes? George Orwell predicted this sort of thing in "1984". He was off by less than 20 years. But he did NOT expect it to be achieved by capitalists, and that is kind of ironical, I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Peace Date: 26 Oct 07 - 07:22 PM "But he did NOT expect it to be achieved by capitalists" However, he should have, because such things always are, regardless their 'political posturing'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Stringsinger Date: 26 Oct 07 - 07:24 PM Little Hawk, here is how I see it. Runaway capitalism is a form of totalitarianism whereby the corporation controls the public interests. It has almost a theocratic resonance in the US. Since Reagan's trashing of our government and his attempt to sell it off to the highest bidder, the corporation has become a "human" entity (schizophrenic to say the least) which claims the right of a human being. It is not a human being at all but a mistreatment of a law by a clerk from Santa Clara County, CA involving the rights of railroads. Thom Hartmann has documented this in his book "Screwed". Smedley Butler warned us prior to Eisenhower about the rise of the industrial-military complex in his essay, "War Is A Racket". The evidence is to take a look at those who have profitted from past wars. The so-called "war on terror" is an attempt to engage a sonambulent public by evoking an imaginary enemy. I am shocked to find some otherwise progressive members of Congress who have bought into this mythology. The Pentagon is dangerously involved in the political process (Gen. Betrayus, Oliver North) and the evangelical religious organizations that have infiltrated it. The word "crusade" appears in the religious pamphlets that flood the military these days. This is contrary to the US Constitution and is another example of how our great document is being trashed. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Our new Constitution and new Pentagon From: Bobert Date: 26 Oct 07 - 07:49 PM Ahhhhhh, what am I missing here??? The US has been in more wars since WW II than any other nation... It is addicted to war... How else could the massive redristribution of wealth away from the working class in favor of the military industrialists occur??? Eisenhower told us this might happen and now it has... The US government is now completely controlled by the "Masters of War"... And there is no way out of it... No way... B~ |
