BS: UK General election December 12 2019

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 01:12 PM

I despair - I vowed never to vote tactically for the liberals again
after the great betrayal of 2010...???

Oh well, we just had an earthquake in Scrumpyshire..
[a warning of bigger quakes to come...???]
Hinkley Point is built over a fault line,
and we haven't had a Bristol Channel Tsunami for a few centuries...

Could that potential catastrophe be worse than Boris winning...???????????????


..well obviously.. yes,
but he'd have to be trusted with the disaster emergency rescue and relief...

Never mind, it'd be an excellent photo opportunity for him
in his wellies and hi viv gear.....

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 01:35 PM

Well I'm less than half a mile from the Bristol Channel but my house is 120 feet above sea level so I'm immune from tsunamis. The wise man bought his house atop a cliff...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 01:44 PM

The wise man bought his house atop a cliff.

Only if it is far enough back from the edge. Still, a geology background should help decide if it is.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 01:50 PM

yeah but.. still too close to the fall out from collapsed and flooded Hinkley Point..

Never mind, it will give Boris a radiation suit photo opp...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 04:47 PM

The wise man bought his house atop a cliff.
tell that to the people near mundesley and happisburgh

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:23 PM

Oi, I'm half a mile inland as the crow flies. The geology around here is safe (upper Carboniferous massive turbidite sandstones interbedded with thinner shales). A bit folded (well a lot folded, frankly, thanks to the Variscan orogeny, but I'm too far from the coast to worry about slumps). I can't flood either. Who's a clever boy then! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:31 PM

Hinckley Point is 106 miles from Bude. OK, not as the crow flies, but there a damn great big wodge of Somerset sticking out into the sea twixt there and here. Round here we're a damn sight more worried about the listening station at CSOS Morwenstow (GCHQ's ear on the world) which is only five miles away and reputedly the fourth biggest terrorist target in the country (dunno what the first three are). I have a good few mates working up there and I reckon they're watching the bloody test matches in ultra-HD most of the time.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:43 PM

It is suggested by some geologists that the chevrons in Madagascar were created by a 300 feet high tsunami. The 1958 Lituya Bay earthquake created a rockslide. The sudden displacement of water resulted in a megatsunami that washed out trees to a maximum elevation of 1,720 feet.
Shit happens!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 06:31 PM

What's that big rockslide we're waiting for.. the Canary Islands....???

The mega tsunami projected to wipe out East coast USA,
and most of South England...

Bet the tories will blame that on Corbyn...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 06:58 PM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:31 PM

Hinckley Point is 106 miles from Bude. OK,

Lucky you. Google puts you closer: The distance between Bude and Hinkley Point C nuclear power Station is 67 miles. The road distance is 103.3 miles.

Neither of which gives as much as 106 miles. From Here

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:23 PM

Well, Nigel, I did admit that my figure wasn't as the crow flies. As for your 2.7 mile discrepancy, two things. First, my house is three miles south of Bude, so three miles further away from Hinckley C. Second, you have to have lived round here for thirty years to know all those country lane shortcuts...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:33 PM

I know how to spell Hinkley. My bloody spellchecker puts a C in it every soddin' time I type it. Grr!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 03:55 AM

I can't speak for anyone else on this site, but I think there are things of enough importance happening that I could not spare the time to fret whether your claimed distance from your house the Hinkley was spot on. I assumed you would be either referring to an odometer reading, or one to somewhere not far from the power station, then guess the last bit.

I am afraid I am more concerned by the various lies, misrepresentations and distortions of the senior members of all parties, than whether Steve was a mile or two out. Sorry, Steve, but how far you have to travel is not that important in the scheme of things as far as the election goes.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 04:08 AM

The original Brexit!
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/original-brexit-how-tremendous-ice-age-waterfalls-cut-britain-europe

Some geologists posit that the only way to generate the energy for such volumes of meltwater would be by an impact. eg akin to the much later Firestone event and the Pleistocene megafauna wipeout.

Lyell and Uniformitarianism is increasingly being shown to be a myth,
unlike compo aggravating global warming with all the hot air he produces.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 04:12 AM

I think all politicians throughout history have been economical with the truth at times DMcG. I think Trump was the first to make it into an art form but Johnson seems to have perfected it on this side of the pond.

There is a huge difference between election manifesto statements, which everyone knows are plans rather than promises, and the out and out porkies being spouted by BoJo himself.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 04:24 AM

I agree, Dave. I was saying to someone last week that at this stage in the events, politicians are basically salesmen. You want your 'product' to sell better than its competitors, so you emphasise its strongest points, avoid wherever possible its disadvantages and limitations and if you know a weakness of your opposition's product, you may well drop it in to build up the advantages of yours.

This is, in part, why most politicians are suboptimal. The skill they need to do the job - rational thought, careful consideration of options, detailed study of what a proposed law means in practice - are almost directly opposed to what they need to do to get the job (saying what you think in convincing and blow the consequences.)

So yes, that is the norm for all politicians. But Trump and Johnson go far beyond that because they are quite willing to claim benefits for their product that they know are simply not there. The honest salesman restricts themselves to what the product can do while showing it in the best possible light, the dishonest one doesn't care as long as they get the sale.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 04:36 AM

Trump blocking WTO appointments

While this particular event might be news, it is just the latest in a long series where Trump is trying to limit the effectiveness of the WTO system. You know, the one 'no-dealers' are adamant we could trade under.

I would be more interested in hearing Brexiteers' reflection on how they think that will develop than their analysis of Steve's travel arrangements.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 04:42 AM

But the only alternative to Bojo is the Marxist Raving Loony party.
It rather clarifies the choice- Tory sanity, compo insanity.
We will know by Friday night!

As one chappie said on a blog:
But given the limited options available we realistically have no option but to vote Boris. Anything else really would trash our economy, our nation, our culture and our society.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 05:09 AM

Rest assured, DMcG, that my travel plans never include drives to Hinkley C. I got the mileage estimate by googling "Bude to Hinkley Point" but then I forgot to add the extra bit needed because of my house being on the wrong side of Bude.

What we need this week is a spot of dementia tax, Jennifer's ear, that bigoted woman or two days to save the pound. Something to entertain us in this most tedious of campaigns, and, who knows, a last-minute game-changer...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 05:42 AM

A last minute game changer? Oh I hope so!

Quite conversely to 2017, as the UK enters the final week of this December election the Tories’ poll lead is in fact growing – and Labour is falling back.

According to the Britain Elects poll tracker, after a previously shrinking lead, the Tories start the week on 42.9% – +0.4% on last week; and Labour stalling with a fall of -0.1% to 33%.

Famously, online Corbynistas declare they only trust Survation polls, as they were the most accurate pollsters in 2017. Obviously most other pollsters are mere Tory stooges…

Unfortunately for Corbyn’s true believers, they waited only to see their favourite polling company declare a last-minute Tory surge of 3% up to a 14% lead over Labour, with Corbyn dropping by 2% on the last poll.

Even more infuriatingly for Labour was yesterday’s YouGov poll confirming the Tories now lead among working-class voters by 17% – in comparison to the 7% lead Labour enjoyed just four years ago. The Corbynistas are already making their excuses.

I just wish that pollsters could be trusted,

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 06:03 AM

In case anyone had forgotten, many sources outside the fascist press understand that Corbyn and the Labour party, far from being the Marxist bogeymen the rabid right would have us believe, are pretty mainstream social democrats. I have linked a number of articles before.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 06:20 AM

Here is a prediction I made elsewhere, in the context of electoral reform:

In fact, in the event of a minority Tory government, my prediction would be that they will bring Johnson’s Withdrawal Agreement back (it is NOT a deal, whatever anyone says), all the Tories will vote for it because it was something they had to sign up to do to be a candidate, and there will be sufficient Labour rebels to allow it to pass. At which point, we can forget about electoral reform for a long time.

We can be moderately sure what would happen with a Tory majority (though it WAS Johnson saying it, so who knows?) Do others agree with my assessment if there is a Tory minority?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 07:34 AM

”Quite conversely to 2017, as the UK enters the final week of this December election the Tories’ poll lead is in fact growing – and Labour is falling back.

According to the Britain Elects poll tracker, after a previously shrinking lead, the Tories start the week on 42.9% – +0.4% on last week; and Labour stalling with a fall of -0.1% to 33%.

Famously, online Corbynistas declare they only trust Survation polls, as they were the most accurate pollsters in 2017. Obviously most other pollsters are mere Tory stooges…

Unfortunately for Corbyn’s true believers, they waited only to see their favourite polling company declare a last-minute Tory surge of 3% up to a 14% lead over Labour, with Corbyn dropping by 2% on the last poll.

Even more infuriatingly for Labour was yesterday’s YouGov poll confirming the Tories now lead among working-class voters by 17% – in comparison to the 7% lead Labour enjoyed just four years ago. The Corbynistas are already making their excuses.”

Any decent, fair, honest contributor to a thread would indicate that he was quoting directly from an Extreme Right-Wing Blogger’s site. Word for word from ‘Semen’ Staines’s order-order.com (which would be better-named ‘ordure-ordure.com’).

You really are as deceitful as those whose anal sphincters you appear to take such delight in tickling with that brown tongue, aren’t you Squaddie?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:02 AM

I merely quote polls.
But if you want dirt, her you go! Compo and a piece of PIE.


https://order-order.com/2019/12/09/corbyns-1980s-socialist-newspaper-published-pro-paedo-articles/

Magic grandad is quite a piece of work, is he not?

The backward man has yet to demonstrate guido lies. But you have to admit when it comes to exposing people Guido is very good.

https://www.politicalite.com/labour-2/labour-the-paedophile-connection/

Here is another little gem for your delectation and delight:

https://order-order.com/2019/12/09/corbynista-breakdown-begins-prematurely/

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:07 AM

See what you've done now, John! Don't encourage him. Everyone with an ounce or more of sense realises that right wing bloggers only tell part of the story while glossing over the rest and ignores them. Even more important is ignoring someone who not only quotes right wing bloggers but has never voiced an original thought.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:14 AM

DAve if we ignore the ignorant how would they learn? I'm not right wing and I am ignored (;^/..

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:28 AM

More evidence of the disgusting dishonesty of the Tories.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:38 AM

That's because no-one understands you Donuel ;-)

And they will never learn :-(

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:56 AM

He is an extreme right-wing plant. Please ignore him.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 09:36 AM

It takes a worried man to sing a worried song..........♯𝅘𝅥

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 11:08 AM

More evidence of the kind of spineless, lying POS that our ex-Squaddie 'Semen' Staines Plant holds in high regard - https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/boris-johnson-pockets-reporters-phone-17387948

Disgusting specimens, all three of them.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 11:51 AM

Another gem from the fluffy, warm, cuddly Tory supporters.

Our resident Tories on here must be so proud...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 12:19 PM

American celebrities have been arrested, and sued big time for stealing and damaging reporter's and fan's phones...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 12:25 PM

btw.. my hazy memory is that those pro paedo campaigners were also interviewed,
and allowed a platform, in more mainstream media
back in the 'too liberal' 70s and 80s...

I wonder how many of them had benefited from public school education...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 12:41 PM

I wonder how many of them had benefited from public school education...???



Compo, harridan Harman(and her hubby) and Patricia Hewitt for starters.
All staunch labour members

Keep digging!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 12:52 PM

Personally, I'd prefer fewer privileged ex public school politicians in the Labour party...

However, at least the Labour poshies will have gained some valuable insight
from over many years mixing with and learning about compassion & human decency us mere plebs...

Unlike the tories where shit floats to the top and stays there...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 01:00 PM

Iains - how deep do you suggest we dig...???

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-02-18/shocking-scale-of-sexual-abuse-at-uk-boarding-schools-revealed-by-itv-documentary/

..and that was just lying in full sight on the surface,
didn't need to dig at all...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 01:00 PM

Tony Benn springs to mind …

(He quite often does!)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 01:03 PM

Unfortunate cross-post there, pfr.   Clearly I was not referring to your most recent post.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 01:39 PM

I have just been looking to see who is saying what about the Johnson declining to look at the photo of the four year old until he was really pressured into it.

No mention of it on the Express pages, so far I have found. There is an article saying Matt Hancock's aide was hit during a visit, but first of all there is no mention that the visit came about because of the Johnson mess.

Nor is there any mention that the aide has withdrawn the accusation when shown a video of the event.

We anticipate being told order.order's detailed and unbiased analysis any moment.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 06:28 PM

On that same theme, the Sun goes with a photo of when Johnson was finally persuaded to look at the phone with the caption 'Boris studies the photo of a sick child who was forced to sleep on a hospital floor' wirmth (as far as I see it) no mention of the interview and his efforts to avoid looking at the photo. This is in an article about the MOMENTUM MOB (their capitals.)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 06:00 AM

Honesty, on the side of a bus

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 06:35 AM

More bare faced lies from the Tory propaganda machine.

Jack story was not fake but claim of aide being punched was The

How much lower can they get. I hope all you Tories out there are proud of your party and its leader.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 07:07 AM

DISHONESTY ON THE SIDE OF A BUS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 07:09 AM

snigger, snigger

Guido to the fore! AGAIN........
https://order-order.com/2019/12/10/ashworth-civil-service-machine-will-move-quickly-safeguard-national-security-corbyn/

On the prospects for Labour nationally Ashworth tells his worried interlocutor:

    “I’ve been going round these national places, it’s dire for Labour… it’s dire… it’s awful for them, and it’s the combination of Corbyn and Brexit….outside of the city seats… it’s abysmal out there… they can’t stand Corbyn and they think Labour’s blocked Brexit. I think middle-class graduates – remainy people – Labour’s doing well among… but not in big enough numbers to deny the Tories a majority.”

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 07:23 AM

Oh, I have been waiting for that. In fact I expected it hours ago.

I have little doubt that Ashworth was giving his honest thoughts. I don't buy the 'banter' excuse.   

Ashworth has been opposed to Corbyn for a long time - he was opposed to Corbyn becoming leader, for example. There have always been a section of Parliamentarians who think losing this election is worth it if they can get rid get of Corbyn, and it looks as if Ashworth is in that group. And, yes, it makes it much harder for Labour to focus on the NHS rather than the stupidity of his behaviour.

I am sure what he said is a reasonably accurate account of his view. That may or may not match reality. We will find out in 48 hours or so.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 07:39 AM

It would be a reckless person that placed a bet on outcomes at the moment. I suspect people are so fed up with the prolonged agony of brexit that they give the pollsters anything, just to make them go away. With the present gap between the major parties and tactical voting, any outcome is possible. Meanwhile the rats are kicking 7 bells out of each other inside the sack.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Martin
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 08:00 AM

I just find it so totally incredible that so many (allegedly) people will (allegedly) be voting Tory after what they've done to them - what is wrong with them (the Tories & the robots voting (allegedly) for them?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 08:06 AM

I just find it so totally incredible that so many (allegedly) people will (allegedly) be voting Tory

Could be they just detest magic grandad.Who can blame them. Even members of his own party think he is a marxist menace.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 08:50 AM

We went to see Mr Corbyn speak at Nelson this morning and he seemed very reasoned, polite, composed and the crowd had no dissenters.
We were surprised to be randomly interviewed by Sky News as vox pop. I bet it doesn't make it to on air. Our views don't seem to follow what London thinks that the North of England think.

Robin