BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone

Subject: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Stu
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 11:59 AM

Cameron's and B.Liar's big buddy Rebekah Brooks (see here for the tip of the iceberg), chief butt-licker and Vader-like hench-woman of execrable Aussie ex-pat Rupert Murdoch has proven that when it comes to being an amoral, feckless and ruthless arsehole she's made of the same stuff as her boss and his offspring. I mean, deleting messages off her phone? That's beyond sick. US readers might want to read this first.

How Milly Dowler's family have suffered at the hands of the establishment (lawyers in court, now these tossers) beggars belief; sure proof if any were still needed that the division between 'us' and 'them' is getting deeper and wider.

Now apparently it seems they might have been up to their tricks with the families of the two girls murdered in Soham. Is anyone still reading this piece of shit paper?

Do the words 'compassion' or 'respect' mean anything anymore?

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: GUEST,davemc
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 12:05 PM

Rebekah Wade/Brooks was a cheerleader for New Labour. While her party were stuffing the country and she was battering her then husband (allegedly!) her staff were showing what Labour ethics are like.... no surprise there. Lovely Labour stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 12:20 PM

My hatred of the News of the World and it's ilk, knows no bounds.
They are scum. What is it with seemingly normal people who become newspaper reporters, and immediately jettison all their morals?
Murdoch is a bigger threat to the UK than any hostile government.
The enemy within !!

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 12:25 PM

So sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Penny S.
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 12:28 PM

I am still feeling totally staggered by the sheer, appalling, ghastliness of this. Especially the utterly stupid deleting of the messages. It beggars belief.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 01:29 PM

Somebody should go to jail for this and pay a huge compensation package to the family. Shameless.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 01:37 PM

I bet that, at this moment, Cameron and Milliband are plotting together to save Murdoch's arse and working out how they can worm their way even further up the same orifice!

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: melodeonboy
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 02:00 PM

I'm sad to say it doesn't surprise me that much! It is, after all, the bloody News Of The Screws!

It's concerning, as some have already pointed out, that both Blair and Cameron, who pretend to set such high standards, and who have such an influence over events, are so pally with Murdoch and his toerags.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: GUEST,livelylass
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 02:08 PM

One wonders was it the blackmail-shit that Murdoch's man Coulson had access to on Tory ministers which inspired Cameron to hire him, or the leverage-shit he had on Labour ones?

Either way, considering the shit he had all over him, it was pretty clear that it was a well iffy cynical appointment by Cameron..
"Second chance" my backside!

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: alanabit
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 02:08 PM

The only thing to surprise me is that the story has got out and that Murdoch's bully boy lawyers have not yet managed to suppress the story. In the past, thugs like Robert Maxwell, Jonathon Aitken, Jeffrey Archer and Cecil Parkinson have usually been able to intimidate proper journalists into silence. God how I miss Paul Foot sometimes!

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 02:27 PM

The only thing to surprise me is that the story has got out

The surprising thing is that the chicken media have paying any attention to it, and that the police have finally been forced into taking some notice of it - at the time it happened the News of the World openly bragged about having access to the online phone calls involved, and even talked about them with the police.

From today's Guardian: "The paper made little effort to conceal the hacking from its readers. On 14 April 2002 it published a story about a woman allegedly pretending to be Milly Dowler who had applied for a job with a recruitment agency: "It is thought the hoaxer even gave the agency Milly's real mobile number … the agency used the number to contact Milly when a job vacancy arose and left a message on her voicemail … it was on March 27, six days after Milly went missing, that the employment agency appears to have phoned her mobile."

The newspaper also made no effort to conceal its activity from Surrey police. After it had hacked the message from the recruitment agency on Milly's phone, the paper informed police about it.

It was Surrey detectives who established that the call was not intended for Milly Dowler. At the time, Surrey police suspected that phones belonging to detectives and to Milly's parents also were being targeted.

One of those who was involved in the original inquiry said: "We'd arrange landline calls. We didn't trust our mobiles.""

The claim by the then editor of thew News of the World, Rupert Murdoch's favourite side-kick Rebekah Brookes, that she didn't know anything about it is both absurd and an obvious lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 02:53 PM

Meanwhile, seems like they concealed crucial evidence in another case:

http://news.scotsman.com/news/Tommy-Sheridan-39might-not-have.6795925.jp

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Penny S.
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 05:34 PM

It has now come out that the NotW was following a police detective involved in another murder case "to see if he was having an affair with a CrimeWatch presenter" actually his wife.


Words fail

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Will Fly
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 05:42 PM

I heard in the evening news that several large corporations such as Ford are now withdrawing advertising from the News of the Whores. Excellent - let's hope the buggers lose both sales revenue and ad revenue and go bust!

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 06:11 PM

Murdoch is a bigger threat to the UK...

Hardly just the UK. He's been buggering us Yanks as well for years.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 06:35 PM

Murdoch IS a hostile ruler.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: JennieG
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 09:57 PM

Please don't refer to him as "Aussie Rupert Murdoch", he took out American citizenship several years ago. We in Oz don't want him.

Cheers
JennieG

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: alanabit
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 12:22 AM

Don't you have prisons in Australia, Jennie?

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: JennieG
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 03:12 AM

We most certainly do, but Rupert took himself off to the You Ess of Ay many years ago. He certainly doesn't live here, it's probably not a big enough pond for him to swim.

Cheers
JennieG

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Stu
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 04:19 AM

Channel 4 News (the only decent news programme left apart from Newsnight) interview a News Corps spokesman last night who confirmed the internal investigation into this scandal is to look at the time when Brooks was editor, and is being led by, er, Rebekah Brooks. Jon Snow had the spokesman on the ropes throughout, although the poor chap was rather witless and it was like shooting fish in a barrel. The look of fear on the guy's face said it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 05:21 AM

Absolutely sickening. This won't bring the Murdoch empire crashing down, alas, but it bloody well ought to.

As for Rebekah Brooks, I'd propose bringing back hanging just for her, but people might think I was joking.

How the hell do these creeps live with themselves?

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 05:28 AM

Let's hope that some good at least comes out of this, and Murdoch's plans to take over BSkyB are smashed beyond recovery.

The advertisers may well take care of the Sunday rag. Without them it's tits up.

How appropriate.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 05:34 AM

Have to agree with DonT.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 05:41 AM

It now appears Murdoch also hacked the phones of the relatives of the 7/7/2005 Tube bombing victims:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14040841

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 05:53 AM

Nice to see the BBC having the chance to put the boot into Murdoch!

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 05:54 AM

Say what you want about Maxwell. At least he jumped off his boat when he nicked the pensions money. When Cameron does it, he enlists the Daily Mail to say that letting him nick the money is the patriotic duty of every public employee.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Penny S.
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 07:23 AM

I noticed this morniing that the Mail did not mention this story on the front page. Still on public servants appalling behaviour. I wonder why they're going easy on Murdoch. He was inside.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 08:37 AM

The payment of cash for information by the newspapers is endemic. It goes on in many fields, not just the police, but also civil servants.
Because of the culture among journalists to never disclose their sources, it's not going to stop.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 09:07 AM

Just heard that the News of the World have announced that they think they have found out who authorised the phone hacking.
Looks like they've found a scapegoat. That was quick.
The person involved will probably be, either retired, emigrated, or dead. Whatever scenario, they will almost certainly no longer be in the employ of Murdoch.
That's my guess anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 10:06 AM

Maxwell jumped? How then did he tear the muscles in his arm?

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 12:55 PM

Self abuse?

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Michael
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 03:55 PM

Tossed overboard?

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 04:04 PM

"Lovely Labour stuff."
Rings a bit hollow as of the scum hackers is a David Cameron adviser.
Tweedledum - Tweedledee!!
Maybe one lesson to be learned is that you couldn't squeeze a credit card between either party nowadays.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 06:07 PM

And now it seems they were hacking the phones of dead soldiers' relatives:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14052909

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 08:48 PM

It is a good thing that Rupert Murdoch's multi billion dollar Sky Net deal with the UK is unaffected by this minor little distraction. (said on Fox business channel)

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Michael
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 03:43 AM

There used to be fly a poster which said: " No matter who you vote for the government will win". I suspect that Murdoch will come out of this without a stain.

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 04:57 AM

It's alleged they have been hacking the phones of the families of dead soldiers. Un-fucking-believable.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 06:08 AM

"I suspect that Murdoch will come out of this without a stain."
How do you stain a stain?

When Dennis Potter, the TV playwright, was dying, he called the cancer that was killing him "Rupert" in recognition of Rupert Murdoch's contribution to modern society.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 06:43 AM

Least this level of bollocks doesn't happen in my part of journalism. No point hacking a games developer, because they will take you to the hangman.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 07:16 AM

It is despicable that the News of the World has cold heartedly used dead victims and their families in this way.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 07:27 AM

I'm glad that people are at last realising how venal and nasty the NotW is. I was screwed by them, and that other organ of prurience the Sunday People, over 40 years ago.
They certainly opened my eyes to what shits so many journalists are. Ever since, I have refused to have anything to do with either paper, to the extent, that if you came to my door with one or the other filth mongering rag in your hand, you would not be asked inside, unless you got rid of the offensive item.
I hope they go bust!

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 08:32 AM

Rupert Murdock is one of the 5 most dangerous men in the world and it would be nice to see him taken down... We don't need any more of his propaganda shoved down out throats...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Michael
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 09:54 AM

How do you stain a stain? Good point, McGrath.
But one good turd deserves another.

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Penny S.
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 09:58 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 11:08 AM

To follow up Penny's point, the deleting of messages was not stupidity. It released space for more messages for the criminals to hack.

It is good news that Rupert came out so unambiguously in support of Rebekah. It means that when her goose is cooked, as it will be, the greater will be the damage to his own tarnished reputation.

In the end the most serious element of the saga will be the criminal relationships between police and NOTW staff. Rebekah told MPs several years ago that the NOTW had paid police for information, which under England & Wales law is bribery and corruption. Police took no action.

All the info now dribbling into the public domain about whose phones were hacked was seized by police five years ago (in the form of 11,000 pages of NOTW investigators' notes, containing 4,000 names) but again the police saw no need to pursue the matter.

When Tommy Sheridan challenged the NOTW in court and was ultimately jailed for perjury, former NOTW editor Andy Coulson gave evidence against him and stated on oath that he was unaware of any NOTW payments to corrupt police. Yet he had been sitting beside his boss Rebekah when she blurted out that such payments had indeed been made. Police meanwhile confirm that NOTW has mysteriously found emails "lost" at the time of the Sheridan trial indicating that payments were made to "a small number" of police officers.

Advertisers are falling away in fistfuls, aware that rival publications will next Monday publish rolls of shame, listing the advertisers still supporting the paper. (To see which are still backing Murdoch and to add to the public pressure on them, start here: Let NOTW advertisers know your view.)

Sidenote for Jenni G and Greg F: yes, Murdoch operates worldwide, but neither IS or Oz would allow him anything like the monopolistic grip he has on the UK media.

The most cheering aspect of the whole business is that it will rumble on for months and years, damaging the Murdoch and NOTW brands all the while. I suspect the NOTW title will eventually go under completely, which would be quite something for the biggest-selling English-language newspaper in the world. At the very least it is having its Perrier moment.

Hats off to Tom Watson MP, Chris Bryant MP and Private Eye who are among the brave few who have risked the wrath of Murdoch to expose his sleazy empire.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 11:14 AM

That should have been US, not IS, in my ulti-penunltimate paragraph above.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 11:22 AM

Cut and paste follows: please do all use the facilities listed there to write to your MPs by email NOW








Dear Richard,

Could this be the week we finally turn the tide on Rupert Murdoch? Pressure to weaken his grip on our media and our democracy is building. Let's work together to get the clean-up operation started.

Disgust at the behaviour of Murdoch's newspapers has pushed politicians to start speaking out. [1] But we need to make sure our MPs follow through with real action. If MPs start hearing directly from thousands of their voters, we can push them to finally stand up to Murdoch.

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1. Stop Murdoch taking control of BSkyB [2]
2. Start a Public Inquiry, led by an independent judge, right now [3]
3. Start an investigation by media regulator Ofcom into whether Murdoch is a "fit and proper" media owner [4]

Yesterday, we finally heard some MPs admit to the way Murdoch calls the shots over our democracy. "We've fallen for threats", they said, and "we were not courageous enough", "we've colluded for too long". [4] That's a start, but now they need to act to match their words. Together we can push them to overcome their fear of the Murdoch press and listen to their voters.

Tell your MP it's time to be brave and stand up to Murdoch:
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NOTES:

[1] Full timeline from BBC here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12253968
[2] More on that here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14059572
[3] See for example: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/06/phone-hacking-inquiry-full
[4] Telegraph piece on Ofcom: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8621586/Phone-hacking-News-Corp-bid-for-BSkyB-may-be-scuppered-by-fit-and-proper-owner-test.html
[5] See the whole debate in parliament here: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm110706/debtext/110706-0002.htm#11070680000004

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: Seayaker
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 11:24 AM

And now in an act of arch hypochrisy Murdoch has declared that the actions of the NotW were unnacceptable!

It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 11:43 AM

Breaking news. This Sunday will be the last issue of The News Of The World. Britain's biggest selling Sunday newspaper will cease to be.

Sad news to many.

Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 12:13 PM

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