BS: Why P on anyones Parade?

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:45 AM

Dave, I must get that record!

RtS
(Threatening to arrange the 1812 overture for kazoo and washboard)

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 04:31 AM

Refreshing the thread in anticipation of Bryans return:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 05:49 AM

Dave Polshaw

Refreshing the thread in anticipation of Bryans return:-)

Good grief! I've founded a religion.

Why pick on me, Dave, just because I'm the only one bothering to engage in this?

First, I have never (at least, not on Mudcat) said anyone is crap. You may be confusing me with things said on the Rougue's Gallery thread which I haven't contributed to.

Second, I am not saying Vashti Bunyan is "good but not to my taste", I'm saying she isn't very good. She's not that bad either but not in the same league, by a very long way, as Sandy Denny or Shirley Collins with whom she was compared. She sounds like someone who has heard Joni Mitchell and thought "I could do that". She can't. Her voice cracks in unsuitable places and she completely fails to get some low notes. I know singers who just do their regular floor spot in the folk clubs who are better. She has no emotional engagement with her songs because there is nothing to engage with. If she had some decent material, she might blossom. My original "if you listen to Sandy Denny and Shirley Collins" was not to attack VB but to defend two great artists against a slur.

As for your "I am going to commit the most heinous crime possible and admit that I don't particularly like Norma Watersons singing...", it was cleary intended as a wind up so I think maybe you should get off your high horse. (And give her another listen; you really might find it's worth it.)

Like chocolate. Don't like cheese.

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: GUEST,TheSnail
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 06:19 AM

Oh dear. Someone eat my cookie. That last guest was me.

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 06:36 AM

I guess the above is Bryan sans biscuit?

You are quite right that you are the only one bothering to engage but I don't really see that I am 'picking on you'. Am I? You address specific points to me. In bold type at that! So I am replying directly. We could of course do it by PM but that would be pretty boring for anyone else who want's to see what a argumentative sod I can be when I set my mind to it;-)

Your first and second posts on this thread was to try and prove that I have occasionaly 'P'd on someones Parade'. Fair enough - I have. Does that mean I cannot say it is wrong? I have often had to much to drink as well but I still know it is a bad thing to do. Your opening posts were all about trying to discredit the author rather than the argument so please excuse me if I get rather defensive.

It was not my intention at all to discuss who is good, bad or ugly so apologies for allowing myself to be drawn down that route. Ditto for allowing the argument degrade into a who did what match. It does not matter whether I believe that Sid Vicious had the sweetest voice in the world and Pavarotti cannot sing for toffee. I don't believe either btw in case someone decides to take me seriously. Nor does it matter that I have made comments which undoubtably can be seen as a slur on a particular artist and may offend other peoples sensibilities.

All I am saying is that it is wrong to simply state 'such and such is crap'. I find it perfectly acceptable to say 'I do not like ... because' or '... is not to my own tastes' If I have used phrases that others have taken offense at before then, fair enough, tell me about it and I will firstly apologise and then, more than likely, explain what I really meant. When responding to threads, particularly when heated, my turn of phrase may sometimes stray but in the main I will try to keep civil and objective.

Find as many examples of me P'ing on a parade as you like. It still does not excuse it. I will endevour to keep parades dry in future and if that puts me on a high horse - fine. The view is particularly good from up here:-)

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: TheSnail
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 06:51 AM

Got my cookie back!!!

Don't think this is going anywhere. All I'm saying Dave is that you should put your own house in order before demanding better behaviour from others.

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 07:13 AM

Well done that man!

I agree - It isn't.

Shouldn't everyone put their own house in order? From us prolls to our illustrious leaders in Westminster. Why highlight one persons bad behavior to excuse someone elses?

I have never demanded anything from anyone, have I? Examples please.

Not being sidetracked again though. All I have is a very simple questions. Why P on anyones parade?

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: TheSnail
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 07:16 AM

Why P on anyones parade?

I don't know Dave. You tell me.

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 08:03 AM

I wouldn't have asked the question if I knew!

Back on the second of August I summed up the only answers I had as follows -

So, in a nutshell then, people do it because it is human nature? I can't realy believe it is in all of us to be hurtful. I guess therefore it is just unthinking and possibly undiplomatic? I suppose I can accept that. Maybe in time people will start thinking before they dismiss something out of hand.

I don't recall anyone coming up with anything further to add since and I don't think it has been denied anywhere. So, do we have a definitive answer?

Cheers

Dave

PS - Forgot to ask. How was Wickham? Get to see the inimitable Mr A?

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: TheSnail
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 12:17 PM

Hi Dave (There's only us left).

So, do we have a definitive answer?

The reasons that you have given so far (or that have been given on your behalf) are -

You were being ironic,
You were having a senior moment,
"I have often had to much to drink"

I think one or a combination of those probably covers all situations.

Didn't get to Wickham till Friday afternoon so missed Tull on Thursday night. Missed The Spooky Men as well which was a pity. The Kathryn Tickell Band, Eliza Carthy and the Ratcatchers, Les Barker, Cherish the Ladies, the Mike West Band all brilliant. The rest a bit too rocky for my taste although it was interesting that the Saw Doctors who were a good old fashioned rock band realised that you don't need to turn the bass up so you can feel it through your feet a quarter of a mile away.

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 04:33 AM

It's a hell of a good line up isn't it though! I think I am only going to manage Swinton this year so I won't see too much. Unless I manage a couple of days at Fylde - rain permitting! Maybe Tull will be at Manchester again soon and, hopefuly, get to see Maddy Prior in 'Span or the Carnival Band at Christmas.

I think we can answer the thread question with all those reasons and, maybe, pure cussedness! Human nature could be an enveloping phrase for all of them I guess:-) At least it isn't, often, spite or maliciousness. I hope human nature is, generaly, better than that.

I have certainly had food for thought and will, hopefully, explain the whys and wherefores of why I do or do not like something better in future. I doubt it will catch on universaly but, as they say at Tescos, every little helps:-)

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 04:38 AM

Oh - BTW - an interesting comparison using your comment about the Saw Doctors - I only saw them once, at the Manchester Apollo, and thought they were OK but too loud! Funnily enough, at Fylde, I saw the Albion band who who were equaly loud but, with Mr Hutchins influence, the bass WAS rattling my fillings. I enjoyed that more! Just shows - one mans meat etc:-)

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 01:47 PM

Everybody has grumpy days.

And if you're holding your parade in a free internet forum, you really shouldn't be surprised. It's like standing with your eyes cl;osed and legs apart at a crotch-kicking contest.

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: TheSnail
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 05:16 PM

I think we've hammered this one pretty flat. Basically, people will say things on the internet that they wouldn't dream of saying face to face.

Subject: RE: BS: Why P on anyones Parade?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 06:36 PM

It's like standing with your eyes cl;osed and legs apart at a crotch-kicking contest.

Have you been watching what I do for a living, Cluin?

:D