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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:29 PM dick, regarding "the issues"...please refer to my post of 10 Sep 08 - 01:07 PM The majority of the American public does not vote on the basis of genuine issues or on the basis of reason. They vote on the basis of vague and very superficial, yet powerful emotional impressions that have precious little (if anything) to do with any of the real issues at hand. They think they're voting with certain issues in mind, all right, but they have simply cherry picked the specific supposed issues that "feel" right to support their pre-existing emotional prejudices. And thus are elections won and lost. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Ebbie Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:29 PM "He wasn't even allowed to participate in two crucial primary debates. He was shut out of them on ridiculous technicalities." LH Little Hawk, I was agreeing with you until you wrote the above. "Ridiculous technicalities"? Is that the same thing as rules? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:31 PM I do appreciate Alice's dilemma. We do need to do a "gut check". When my ancestors came to the "new land" from Europe in the 18th, they were seeking opportunity - but they were lucky, they were not fleeing from persecution. There are plenty of reasons to pick up stakes. Most of us move at one time or another, whether it be from the home and town where we grew up or for a career opportunity later in life, or perhaps to a new location for retirement. In those cases, our decision is based on individual needs. IF Alice is truly in a situation where her life needs a change to improve, that is terrific. But to make a move simply because you are "ashamed" is not the right reason, trust me, you won't find the answer because by simply moving further away from the problem - the problem will exist, and you will know it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:43 PM "John and Sarah might have gone down before and in a "biblical sense"" Is Bobert implying that anyone that has a "special needs" child is a loser? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:48 PM Well, Ebbie, Kucinich successfully launched a court action to be included in one of those primary debates...and he won it. The powers that be had less than 24 hours to do something about that and they did...they managed to pull together an extraordinary session of high judges at a state supreme court level to overturn the lower court's ruling, and they did it with an hour or two to spare before the start of the debate! Can you imagine the urgency that someone in high places attached to achieving that? That is simply incredible, and it tells me that this wasn't a matter of "rules" at all. It was a matter of a ruling power structure deciding in no uncertain terms that a specific politician had to be muzzled for the sake of some larger political purposes. You can look it all up for the details if you want. It happened in one of the western states, I think it might have been Nevada. Rules such as you refer to are interpreted by lawyers. Different lawyers seem to reach different interpretations of the same rules. That can depend on who they are working for, I think, and how much they get paid. To assume that it's all an honest and well-intentioned process or that it necessarily has anything to do with truth and justice would be highly naive, in my opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Amos Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:52 PM Is Bobert implying that anyone that has a "special needs" child is a loser? No, just that some form of sexual transaction must have been involved... Mrooowwrrrr.... ;>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: katlaughing Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:05 PM I posted this earlier; don't know where it went. Obama on lipstick: "Spare me the phony outrage, spare me the phony talk about change," Obama scoffed. "The McCain camp would much rather have this be about phony and foolish diversions," Obama said. He said it was reminiscent of earlier Republican campaign tactics of "lies, phony outrage and Swift Boat politics." The inanity of the GOP: "She is the only one of the four candidates for president, or the only vice presidential candidate who wears lipstick," said former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift, a member of the Palin Truth Squad. "I mean, it seemed to me a very gendered comment." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Palin Truth Squad sounds like oxymoron to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: irishenglish Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:05 PM You know, fair enough LH, and I get the point you are making, but these are the people we have now, so whatever your hopes were for change,Kucinich is gone. I admire him tremendously, but he backed out in this election WAY earlier than last time, and he has come out in support of Obama/Biden. I know you know that, but at this point, its no use arguing about the rules such as they are now-flawed and broken. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:17 PM "Dennis Kucinich is a fine example of a very intelligent politician who took on the real ISSUES in a far more clear and honest manner than any of the other presidential candidates in the two major parties, and how did the public and the media react to him? They mostly just ignored him. He wasn't even allowed to participate in two crucial primary debates. He was shut out of them on ridiculous technicalities. Why? Because he was telling uncomfortable truths." That is just your opinion. I like Kucinich, but the last place I want to see him is in the White House. I don't think his ideas and demeanor would work in THAT job. I think he is a much better force for change where he is, just as Ted Kennedy has done in the Senate. You might call it a "technicality", but the rules were set. His campaign was not sparking. You cannot simply turn a camera on EVERYONE that has a "good idea". The individual needs to build that spark of interest. Kucinich was, at best, appealing to the fringe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:23 PM Kucinich never had a hope in hell of winning his party's primary series and running for president on the Democratic ticket. He was way too far outside the unofficial guidelines for what you are supposed to say when running for president in 2008, and neither the public nor the party machine would ever have given him majority support. So it wasn't that they feared him actually winning the top spot. No. What they feared was that he would embarrass the other Democrats who were contending for the top spot and make them look bad for having such lacklustre actual policies and past record on matters like opposing the war in Iraq, for example. He would screw up the whole impression that was to be created in the public's mind if he did that, so he had to be shut out of the process. If not shut out of the process he could have had much useful effect, I think, but he'd never have won the top spot. No chance. I have no problem with him supporting Obama now. That's okay with me. It could have been better than that, but that's life. He backed out of the election so early because the Republicans started pouring simply incredible amounts of money into his local area to knock him out of his Senate seat, and he had to give up the national campaign and go and fight for political survival on his own home turf. And that process is continuing. They want him out of office because he is pushing a Congressional motion to impeach Bush and Cheney for illegal and unconstitutional actions in regards to the war in Iraq, and he won't quit. That has made him number one man on their national hit list (politically speaking, I mean). They want Kucinich gone for good. He is the one thing that Washington WILL not tolerate: a man of principle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Ed T Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:32 PM I would seriously suspect any farmer who put lipstick on any of his/her pigs, male or female. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:35 PM I'd get on the phone to PETA right away ! rat him out for sure. biLL :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: irishenglish Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:42 PM Again I say LH-he's admirable, what he did was admirable. I voted for him in the primaries the last election, as did a lot of my other friends. But its counterproductive now. The Greens tried getting him to quit the Democratic Party-he wouldn't do it. He's a Democrat. All of what you said is true, but do you hear him griping about the Democratic Party? I don't know if he has on record or not, but I can tell you about Kucinich is, he wouldn't be sticking around as a Democrat, if he didn't firmly believe in the Democratic Party. The focus now is on Obama. I get you, but it just doesn't do any good right now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:42 PM "They want Kucinich gone for good." He has been re-elected 5 times in his district and faces a tough battle. You are right, they want him gone. At the same time, he was rejected by the American public. His opinions were well know, but not everyone agrees with him. I think his foreign policies and efforsts against the war scared off many people. You and I might agree with 99 or 100% of his views, but there are reasons why most people did not want him for president. I do agree, there is a lot that money and media do for a campaign. Yet with every "investment" that is made on Wall Street, nn investor is only going to back a product that works. America rejected Kucinich for president. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: olddude Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:47 PM Everyone should read this, points well taken politics of the stupid |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:53 PM Obama Says "Enough" With "Phony" Controversy NORFOLK, VA - At a town hall meeting in Virginia's Tidewater region, Barack Obama took a few minute of the education-themed event to address concerns that he may have offended John McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin at an event yesterday on other side of the state. That would be, of course, his use of the "L" word to knock the McCain/Palin promise for change. "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," he said less than 24 hours ago, generating a McCain-induced whirlwind of media coverage around whether or not what he said was sexist. "We are here to talk about education, but, you know, I'm running for president, so that means I've got to spend a just a brief moment talking a little bit about politics," Obama said apologetically to a roomful of teachers, parents, and school board officials. "Before we begin today, I want to say a few words about the latest, made up controversy by the John McCain campaign," he continued as the crowd chuckled. Obama proclaimed his comment was innocent and taken out of context - and pushed onto the willing media like "catnip." He scoffed at their "outrageous ad" released this morning, which was played on the morning TV shows, and explained it was all a calculated effort by the GOP. "[The McCain campaign] would much rather have the story about phony and foolish diversions than about the future," he said. An exasperated Obama ticked off the ills facing the nation - including a tanking economy, two wars, and an energy crisis - and incredulously exclaimed, "And this is what they want to talk about? This is what they want to spend two of the last 55 days talking about?" The lipstick flap comes after Obama has accused the McCain campaign of trying to make the election about character and personality instead of issues - so far successfully, it would seem. Frustrated, Obama declared, "I don't care what they say about me, but I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift boat politics. Enough is enough!" But with so many news outlets - especially cable and Internet - influencing the news cycle, it seems as though personalities, gaffes, and yes, even made up controversies will continue to make their way to the forefront of political coverage. "This is a game that we play. It's a game. It's a sport. And maybe if this wasn't such a serious time it would be okay," Obama said. So how does he plan on cutting through the Republicans' effective tactics? "We are just going to keep on presenting the facts, truthfully, forcefully, consistently every day. We are going to hammer away at the fact that the stakes in this election are too high. They have to do with whether we can rebuild the middle class and put this country back on a pathway to success in the 21st century competitive, global economy. We're going to hammer away at that every single day. And I trust the American people to pay attention," he explained. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Bill D Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:54 PM "putting rouge on a Tanzanian devil" as a charter member of S.O.C.P (Society of Compulsive Pedants) I wish to express my doubts that the ARE devils of that sort in Tanzania (perhaps in a zoo in Dar es Salaam). ...though there might be some in Tasmania. no, Amos...don't bother to thank me *ducking for cover* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: olddude Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:58 PM Does anyone know if this is true. I just got it from my kid Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fact Checking from Sarah Palin's Neighbor In case you haven't seen this yet. http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/sarahpalin.asp >> ABOUT SARAH PALIN >> by Anne Kilkenny >> August 31, 2008 >> >> I am a resident of Wasilla , Alaska . I have known Sarah since 1992. >> Everyone here knows Sarah , so it is nothing special to say we are on >> a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her >> father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a >> first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more >> City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the >> residents of the city. >> >> She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular >> girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and >> won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because >> she is a "babe". >> >> It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret.
[edited for length: please remember not to C&P extremely long articles> The link will serve for those who wish to read it all.] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Genie Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:03 PM It's clear that Obama's "lipstick on a pig" remark was about John McCain's policies. Palin was neither mentioned nor referred to obliquely in his comments. If you watch or listen to the remark in context -- from when he starts with McCain's policies on economics, education, foreign policy, etc., to where he mentions an old fish smelling as bad as the Republicans' policies over the PAST 8 YEARS -- it's undeniable that Palin was not the target. What worries me is that I am UNABLE TO FIND the original speech (even that short excerpt) either on You Tube or via "the google." It was there earlier this morning on You Tube. Now all I get are excerpts, the vast majority edited and spun by Obama opponents. Whazzup with that? But since the media seem to be making it the scandal du jour and making a BFD out of it, I think Obama and Biden should run this ad: "We never called McCain's running mate a pig. She's not. She's a charming woman. She's just the Queen Of Pork." (The crawl at the bottom would be listing the stats showing how much she brought back home in "earmarks.") |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Bill D Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:05 PM I saw what I guess was that interview with the woman in Alaska on TV the other day. It seems to be the real thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Donuel Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:06 PM I don't get it I thought men were pigs I thought police were called pigs I thought Palin was a baracuda pit bull mix Do republicans think Palin is a pig? Can Obaba use the phrase 'casting pearls before swine' without bible thumpers claiming he is desecratiung Christ or calling Palin a pig? Is everytime Palin use the word Jesus in her campaign, is she taking the lord's name in vain ? Its true Limbaugh and CNN are working this "developing story" to death. THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY ANIMAL REFRENCES IN THIS ELECTION period A pig, a pit bull a barracuda and a moose walk into a bar... so what |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:07 PM "Does anyone know if this is true." Olddude - I assume because you gave the snopes link you have read it. They give sources. While I know we hope to find answers, it is always best to check things out for yourself and make your own decison. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: SINSULL Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:08 PM The Anne Kilkenny letter is real - one woman's take on Palin. I would not want the world to judge me solely by the opinion of someone who has known me for years and disliked me. We all have those in our background. Once again I ask does anyone here know that baby bush is planning to increase troops in Afghanistan? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: pdq Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:08 PM Anne Kilkenny has been shown to be a Democratic Party operative and is the same one who started the "banned book" rubbish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: curmudgeon Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:09 PM I was quite amused at Ms. Palin referring to herself as a pit bull, especially as we all know what female dogs are called - Tom |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Genie Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:09 PM [[mg said "I think it is not something he meant to refer to her statement..just a blooper...that is not a very common expression. ]] Actually, it's a very common, time-honored expression (especially in the south and midwest), often used in politics -- with absolutely no gender implication. I googled "lipstick on a pig" and found these: first 100 instances 63 more instances |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:14 PM Pit bulls don't need lipstick (not even to give you a kiss, like my pooch is doing). And Palin is giving pit bulls a bad name when comparing them to hockey moms. The vicious creatures are the two-legged ones. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: irishenglish Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:15 PM Yes Sinsull, saw it yesterday. It's long overdue of course, and also has been something Obama has been saying for quite some time. I'm going to hope that its not part of a political move on the Republicans part and be diamonds on a giraffe, but we shall see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: dick greenhaus Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:15 PM "but a snake don't get no sweeter by the changing of its name..." (Boomer Johnson in Digitrad) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Donuel Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:18 PM NPR reported that a troop increase in Afghanistan is immenent. IT was announced in conjunction with a troop withdrawl in January (when Bush is history) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: MarkS Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:19 PM Time to stop boreing us all with these swinish comments and worry about which candidate will really bring home the bacon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Donuel Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:30 PM KEY RIIIST some idiots are putting lipstick on their dogs now. Repubican dogs? I think not. Dogs are most Democratic. Where are they getting veternary grade lipstick anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:56 PM "Dogs are most Democratic" Who doesn't love dogs after all!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Lox Date: 10 Sep 08 - 05:30 PM He quoted McCain - its that simple. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Ed T Date: 10 Sep 08 - 05:45 PM What the British could teach political canidates in the former British colony, the US of A: Question: Should there be similar USA election regulations? ANIMALS, ENGLAND PREVENTION OF CRUELTY, Farmed Animals Regulations 2003 Prevention of fighting (1) If pigs are kept together, measures shall be taken to prevent fighting which goes beyond normal behaviour. Pigs which show persistent aggression towards others or are victims of such aggression shall be isolated or kept separate from the group. More of this wise stuff at : http://www.england-legislation.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2003/draft/ukdsi_0110446577_en.pdf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Donuel Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:03 PM my parody news: Mary Kay lip stick sales are up 63% Proud Palin Pink is the top seller. Like the yellow ribbon SUV decals , Lipstick stickers for the grill of your SUV are really CUTE. (Obama on the stump), "Are the Republicans going to deliver health care, education? I suggest you ask McCain and Palin how." Ann Coulter suddenly jumps up and starts yelling "He called Govenor Palin a HO, he called her a Ho, you heard him, he called Palin a HO!! SEXIST PIG he called... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Amos Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:17 PM PDQ: What exactly do you mean by "shown to be" and "operative" in that sentence? You're making things sound quite different than I think they actually are, so I'd like a definition and some sources. Or do you mean "has been called by someone ill-tempered",,,? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Donuel Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:20 PM Rolling stone red lip pins are selling out Fred Limpstrung of Altoona PA lost 3 fingere today while applying lipstick to his 3 year old pit bull Chomper. Don Imus, much to the dismay of the Obama camp, is speaking out against pig allegations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: artbrooks Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:34 PM That section of the speech says "You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." ... "You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,it's still gonna stink after eight years. We've had enough of the same old thing! There have been some suggestions that, in addition to owing Palin an apology, Obama owes McCain one for this ageist comment clearly directed toward him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Amos Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:39 PM I submit that McCain and Palin both owe the American people, and Barack Obama as their potential leader, an abject apology for making such statements even necessary by demeaning the meaning of language and adulterating the substance of the American public dialogue. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:42 PM "A pig, a pit bull a barracuda and a moose walk into a bar..." ... and that joke has only 2 legs ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: pdq Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:02 PM Perhaps you are all confusing Sarah Palin with this... powerful politician |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:10 PM "There have been some suggestions that, in addition to owing Palin an apology, Obama owes McCain one for this ageist comment clearly directed toward him." I think BOTH Parties owe the whole electorate an apology for BEING that stupid and puerile... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Ebbie Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:10 PM You got that right, pdq. I had thought that Palin looked better than that, however. Must've had a rough night. lol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: katlaughing Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:45 PM From the link provided a few posts back: Maybe McCain thinks cautioning kids about creeps is a bad thing, but I doubt it. I even doubt that McCain buys what his own ad is slimily implying--that Obama is some sort of perverted sexual deviant who wants to parade pornographic images in front of the nation's prepubescent children. But the problem is, McCain is treating the American people as if they're stupid enough to believe just that. Obama spokesman Bill Burton called the effort "shameful and downright perverse." I think "cynical" is more accurate. McCain is running that specific ad here, in Colorado, during prime time news. It is sickening...I'd like to know how they can put out such lies with impunity. (Rhetorical question, please do not answer.) Sins, I've been listening to NPR all day, about it. I think the shurb is hoping to do all kinds of evil bullshit before he leaves...all of teh attention is off of him, so he thinks he can do whatever he wants. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:16 PM Yup. He's trying to gut the folks at Planned Parenthood even as you type. Trying to set them up so they're stuck with "employees" who refuse to answer questions or make referrals and there would be nothing they could do about such plants. Since the pro-life pharmacists weren't allowed to refuse service to customers, they're trying to dig deeper into the provider network: "The proposed rule would require family planning clinics to employ people who refuse to provide family planning services--even to the point of withholding information and refusing to refer patients elsewhere." Planned Parenthood of North Texas. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: artbrooks Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:07 PM SRS, I read the information at that link, but I cannot find your quote. Is it somewhere else on the PP site? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Genie Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:13 PM Stilly, I agree that Sarah Palin comparing herself to a pit bull is an insult to the dogs. Judging from her RNC speech, she's much more mean-spirited and vicious. G |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: Genie Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:22 PM Foolsestroupe, there may be things the Democrats need to apologize to the American people for (like not standing up strongly enough against the Bush administration's trashing of our Constitution and our basic rights), but Obama's "lipstick" and "old fish" comments are not among them. His remarks were directed squarely and explicitly at McCain's planned continuation of the failed policies of the past 8 years and were spot on. Genie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lipstick on a Pig From: artbrooks Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:26 PM 100 |
