Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Big Mick
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 10:31 PM

Why do you feed this creature?? I just read the whole thing and find 99% of it just fodder for this poor guy to continue to feel relevant with his waffle twaffle approach. I am going to suggest that all of us shun this and all of his posts, with two exceptions. I would suggest that only Sir john9 and Catspaw answer him from here on out. Let's give it try, eh? This ought to be fun.

Pat, I won't charge any of your responses here against you for purposes of calculating your I.R. (inactivism rate) for profit sharing purposes at dear old LFPS.

"inactivism" .......... LOL. Shit, I like that Jeri.

Mick

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 01:17 AM

Ok, I'll answer him.
Shambles, your'e complaints with Mudcat seem to be about cencorship, as has been explained to you countless times, in many threads both here and in the Help Forum, the only threads that get deleted or closed are troublesome ones, ie arguments that get out of hand, personal attacks and long off topic cut and paste jobs.

Nobody else here seems to have a problem with this policy, recently a policy was introduced wherby old BS threads that had run there course were closed [I think the age limit for automatic closing was set at 1 year], though if a subject becomes current again ie, the BS thread subject is in the news or wahtever, any member can ask that the thread in question be re-opened.

Multiple threads on the same subject may be combined, these "rules" are for the benefit of Mudcat as a whole.

Imagine if you will, that Mudcat is a shop with an out of town owner, Joe is the manager and has been given the owners authority to run it as he sees fit, you have no right to demand that the shop owner intervenes in any disputes, the managers word is final.

Your current complaint seems to be that your "Goodbye" thread is closed, well as your'e not leaving/left and came back, there seems little point it been open.

However, if you are leaving, simply start a new thread to say your goodbyes in.


Though if you carry on moaning and complaining like this, I doubt many people would miss you.




jOhn

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 03:12 AM

we do not have any control over the posting of others. That is what I accept and what I think is wise to first accept (Shambles)

Wolfgang... you could just control yourself and ignore all of my postings.... - Or you could actually address the issue(Shambles, a few lines later in the same post)

Why do you try to control others' posts and tell them what they should post or read, Shambles? Just for a change you could try to live up to the standards you post.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 03:32 AM

You just said that!
Your'e getting like him!

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 03:38 AM

Good morning jOhn

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 03:41 AM

morning Straw Legend!
Are you the Guitar Bloke, or are you the Fiddling Bloke?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:17 AM

Morning chaps. He is the short fiddle bloke jOhn, he is also the balder of the two.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:25 AM

AND exceedingly handsome - it's a tough job but someone had to do it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:27 AM

AND exceedingly handsome - it's a tough job but someone had to do it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:28 AM

AND exceedingly handsome - it's a tough job but someone had to do it.

I've said it three times cos I thought that was the rule on this thread.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:32 AM

you have to qoute some obscure stuff that Joe [or Max] said 2 years ago and have a good old moan about censorship as well.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:53 AM

I don't know Censor, and I certainly wasn't aware he had a ship.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 07:12 AM

One of our (known) volunteers posted to this thread to bring it to the top and sets the example to follow by saying:

Why do you feed this creature?? I just read the whole thing and find 99% of it just fodder for this poor guy to continue to feel relevant with his waffle twaffle approach. I am going to suggest that all of us shun this and all of his posts, with two exceptions. I would suggest that only Sir john9 and Catspaw answer him from here on out. Let's give it try, eh? This ought to be fun.

Thanks to those who do post and make at least some attempt to address the issue and the view that I am entitled to express. And to those who simply already just decide to ignore the thread.

Yes I am a very bad person who has not made any positive contribution to our dicussion forum in over 5 years - but despite the abuse posted - shouting me down will not change anything, except to bring the thread back up (until this one is closed too). - I still await any convincing opinion as to why the thread I am asking to be re-opened was felt necessary to close in the first place and what harm or damage could possibly do to anyone if it were re-opened?

This issue is considered by many of my fellow posters here (who still post and repeat themselves) to be an important matter. Or not as important as many of the BS titles like on aimpit hair or 3000 posts about nothing at all. If a thread is important enough to post to and bring back to the top - it is surely worth addressing the issue when you do? If it is not important - just ignore it.........

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: greg stephens
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 07:25 AM

Goes on a bit, that Shambles, doesn't he?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 07:41 AM

Fair enough and thanks for setting the thread back to the top.

Anyone else wishing to post just to judge my worth? Please go ahead if you really must but some contribution to the discussion would be perhaps a little more positive......

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 08:05 AM

Your worth, Shambles? Never. Never should the worth of a person be judged from their behaviour and argumentation in one particular situation.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 08:08 AM

Fair enough.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:54 PM

Well said, Wolfgang.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:55 PM

Anyone else wishing to post just to judge my worth?

Is that what this is really about?

~S~

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 05:29 PM

Shambles? I peg your worth somewheres between an overripe banana that's just been run over by a truck and a Sicilian shoeshine. That's a guess, based on what I've read so far. I'd have to meet you personally to assess it any closer than that. I am willin' to do that as soon as I get some time off here, and if you will pay the travel expenses (from Chicago and back) and provide free drinks for the duration. Whisky, rum, or banana dacquiris preferred.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 10:13 PM

"Can"

"May"

"Will"

Three different concepts.

It seems the answer to the correct question is "Won't"

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 02:14 AM

Just for the record: This is why it was closed for the first time in 1999........

Subject: This thread is closed. Thanks.
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 24 Jul 99 - 02:47 PM

I dunno. I guess I'd say that Art is the quintessential Mudcatter, the one we all should emulate.

That being said, I would also like to say that many of us are licking our wounds from a fairly serious flame war - more serious because we thought that the 'Cat was immune from such unpleasantry. Well, I guess we weren't. I know we all have a lot more to say on this subject, but maybe it's better if we just don't say it. Please don't post any more messages to this or any of the other threads that were part of this whole mess. Try to discuss things privately if you must. If there is a compelling need to analyze all this in public, please wait a few days until the air clears, and then start a new thread. I think it's better to just let the matter die.
Now, Art, will you go out into the other threads and tell us some jokes and stories? We've had a nice, toasty campfire going for 24 yours already.

This thread is closed. Any messages posted to it after this will be deleted.

-Joe Offer-

And this is how it was re-opened in 2004

Subject: RE: A warm goodbye, from The Shambles.
From: Sir jOhn from Hull - PM
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 02:43 AM

bye bye.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 03:38 AM

Shambles-are you leaving or not?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 05:28 AM

Welcome home Shambles

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 05:50 AM

Go Away Shambles

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Micca
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 01:52 PM

Can The closed thread be reopened?B
Tune CAN THE CIRCLE BE UNBROKEN?

There are people in the Forum
Who are out to make us p***ed
Who should mix themselves a jorum
And bog off and not be missed

Chorus
Can the closed threads be re-opened?
By and by, lord bye and bye
Can its opening be appealed, Lord?
To the great Max in the sky?

So Appeal to Max, please Shambles
And Finally maybe see
That you may appeal to Max mate
But you don't appeal to Me

So appeal it to Max Spiegel
Who has nominated Joe
To be Policeman on the Mudcat
What don't you understand of "NO"

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 07:49 PM

We're alright Jack, so don't bother us
It may affect us too, if you go kicking up a fuss
I can see you are wounded
Not in the best of health
But we all agree, you must have brought it on yourself

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 03:05 AM

Perhaps if the permission of all the posters needed to be given first - before entire threads containing their invited contributions were judged and deleted or closed by unknown volunteers - the argument (judgement and name-calling) about whether these threads could or should be re-opened and who should be asked - would not be necesssary?

The argument is sometimes given that as divoice is so messy (but easy)- that getting married in the first place should be made more difficult.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 03:09 PM

Don't compromise, Shambles. Why only all posters? Everybody who has read that thread, of course.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 07:12 PM

The most curious thing in all this is not that Wolfgang, it is why Shambles persists in picking on the lower levels of authority.

I can not convince myself whether he hasn't the bollocks to aim his blows higher when satisfaction at a lower level has not worked or whether he believes (sorta) "there ain't no rules" bit he quotes and believes that volunteers somehow run riot over the forum and Max has no control over them.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 09:29 PM

Joe and the Clones buried Max under a basement in West Chester years ago. That Schemm Team thing is a red herring. You'd have to live in PA to know any of this..... Now that I've blabbed they'll kill me, too..... But not before I tell you WHY they did it...... psssspssspss ssspspsss.....

For a price.

~Susan

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 11:32 PM

"3 legged elephants can't dance on stairways"



(see WAY above)

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 05:18 AM

Why only all posters? Everybody who has read that thread, of course.

That is a useful suggestion - I am glad we two are in agreement. For surely and at least, those who have been invited to contribute to a thread should really be asked before their (non-offending) contribution is deleted along with the entire thread or the entire thread closed?

Or if our volunteers do not want to be bothered with first obtaining all this advanced permission - perhaps our volunteers could explain to us - (if such imposed action is ever judged by them to be required) - why it is not possible to confine this to the offending post(s) only and and editorial comment left in its place to explain why the imposed action was taken?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 05:32 AM

"Or if our volunteers do not want to be bothered with first obtaining all this advanced permission"

Here we go again... Shambles picking on the volunteers. I reckon he is the type of coward who would break a young barmaid into tears if he didn't like the price set by management for a pint of beer.

Shambles volunteers do what they are asked to do. A policy change such as that could not possibly be made at that level.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:08 AM

Logically, then.... From now on if one logs onto Mudcat for a peek, one will be tracked down and harassed to vote on thread closures and deletions. (This will require the hiring of paid site staff.) That should ensure the site's prompt demise, so it will certainly solve the "problem."

~S~

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: JennyO
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:22 AM

Why wait until we log on? They can send us all emails every time there is a problem with a thread. Too bad if we've gone away for a couple of days. And then they will have to track down all those anonymous GUESTS and ask their permission too, and while they're at it, maybe they had better find all the people who might some time in the future decide to look at Mudcat and ask them too!

Just trying to make a "useful suggestion" ;-)

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:49 AM

Look - how about ALL contributions being automatically deleted by our volunteers BEFORE anyone has a chance to read and be offended by them and BEFORE anyone asks that the entire thread to be deleted or closed?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:53 AM

Shambles you are so fucking brain dead as to be incapable of even working out that system wouldn't even need volunteers. It could be done automatically.

What is your obsession with dragging volunteers into everything?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:56 AM

I'm out of it now BTW. I don't care whether shambles is right or wrong with his views over censorship policies. I have however done a spell as a volunteer hear and got sick and tired of him laying into them for things beyond thier control.

Sorry.

Jon

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 10:01 AM

Better clarify my last statement in fairness to Shambles. I was refferring to this current set of threads and don't want to leave the impression that I for example was getting constant stick from shambles. That would be quite untrue.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 11:36 AM

No no no-- they should be auto-deleted BEFORE anyone posts the threads at all!

~S~

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 01:44 PM

That's the idea - only just as long as there still remains something for our volunteers to do....

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 02:12 PM

Well, Shambles, you certainly are getting your share of attention, eh? Good for the old psychoses.

Jon, I just listened to the banjo CD. I sure am grateful you sent that to me.

Mick

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 02:20 PM

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 10:31 PM

Why do you feed this creature?? I just read the whole thing and find 99% of it just fodder for this poor guy to continue to feel relevant with his waffle twaffle approach. I am going to suggest that all of us shun this and all of his posts, with two exceptions. I would suggest that only Sir john9 and Catspaw answer him from here on out. Let's give it try, eh? This ought to be fun.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 10:46 PM

wow..what an amazing memory, filing system and complex set of thread tracings, Shambles!

a fellow's gotta have a hobby, I guess...

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Davetnova
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 07:24 AM

I'd like to post an offensive thread next Tuesday. If some kind Mudelf, Gobblin, or nasty monster under a bridge could delete for me now I would be ever so grateful as it will save me time on tuesday.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 07:59 AM

"Can"

"May"

"Will"

"Not"

Four different concepts.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 08:01 AM

100!!!!

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 08:12 AM

Thus perhaps illustrating an argument for a thread being closed (something I'm not saying is right or wrong - that's Mudcat policy and I don't wan't to get involved there!)

The last post by Shambles which could have baited me further was another one mentioning volunteers. Something I ignored. And there have been other conversations since (BTW Mick, I'm glad you enjoy that CD. I thought they did a good job in that collection.) I could have posted to.

Some people here do seem insistant on refreshing threads that have got unpleasant back in the faces of people who have even agreed to drop out of them despite further provocation. With posts as inane as 97 and 100.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 08:18 AM

Thank you! I always enjoy being called inane by a Master.