BS: Canadians Read This!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:15 PM

It's not that I'm precisely blaming the big corporations for everything...

I'm just saying that the party sytem cannot truly represent the general public, given that their primary funding does not come from the general public, it comes from the big business community. Thus, legislation will be crafted in order to meet the needs and desires of the big business community.

The big business community seeks maximum profit. (naturally) Maximum profits are not likely in accord with maximum benefit to the general society. For instance, if there is cheaper labour in China, guess where your jobs are going to go?

The parties are necessarily forced to say one thing (in order to get elected) and do another much of the time. This makes them hypocrites and turns the public into embittered cynics.

None of that is conducive to good government.

Neither is it conducive to a healthy society to divide people up into competing partisan teams and set them against each other. You see the fallout from it constantly on this very forum. It's divisive and destructive.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:37 PM

Greg F. said, "This is what comes of not teaching Rousseau in schools any longer." Which = "If ya can't skate and ya can't stick handle, ya ain't got a team."

Yup... Bobby Rousseau, numero 15, Montréal Canadiens, was one hell of a hockey guy, that guy. He was able to contribute to the team because he learned the fundamentals.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:51 PM

great analogy gnu ... bravo! The bell has rung. :)

no more debating required.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:55 PM

sIx... I assume this is going into OT.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:59 PM

Well ... OT or not I'm stepping out of this game .... toooo much politiks.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 02:19 PM

sIx!!! Don't leave. We need to lighten the thing up.

Why, just yesterday, cousin Jimbob sent me an e which was a circular he recieved from a sect of which he is a devout member. It was a Cat'lic Catechism on how to vote. Being a dyed-in-the-wool remote Cat'lic, I read it thoroughly. It talked about abortion and such and how ya should vote based on yer Cat'lic conscience.... con science?

There. That oughta lighten up the discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 03:59 PM

Lord Thunderin Jeeezuz gnu why didn't ya let me know sooner ... don't Catholics vote based on what the 5th bead down off the loop of the rosary is ... I'll have to ask my wife on that one, she is really up to date on Cat'lic con science.

Hey haqng on here ... now I'm getting dragged into a religious issue here!!!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 05:24 PM

The FIFTH BEAD!! Lord sufferin dyin moly Joeseph BYE!!! Oh.. ah... which way ya prayin? Clockwise or left, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:37 PM

Little Hawk we are stuck with the way things are so if you care about Canada and don't want to become more like the US vote against Harper.

If the sensible vote is divided Harper wins so we have to vote Liberal to stop him.

Guest!!!!!!! I care about my country, not what some chickenshit moron(who is afraid to post under a real name) thinks, So take a long hard suck on my ass.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:53 PM

Great Canadian logic raptor..... If you represent the majority of Canadian voters we are truly fucked.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:20 PM

Raptor is not the average Canadian voter. You know why? The average Canadian voter is dead. That's right. The average Canadian voter was John Lawrence McCann of Scarborough, Ontario. In his life John voted for the Liberals 15 times, the Progressive Conservatives 6 times, and the New Democrats (or CCF) 3 times. He drank Molson's and rooted for the Leafs half the time and the Canadiens the other half of the time. He went snowshoeing. He owned cars made by Ford, Chrysler, and GM. He married young and had 2 and a half kids. The world he knew is gone, man, gone forever. It was a world of mounties, royal family, lead soldiers, hockey without helmets, and wooden sleds. It was a world where a kid saved up to get a BB gun, not a Playstation. Gum cost a penny or less. You put baseball cards on your bicycle wheels and made catapults out of wooden clothespegs. You had metal animal toys that ran on the floor and shot sparks out of their mouth.

Those were the days when the Conservatives actually were Conservative. Now they are anything but.

Now here's my suggestion: Raptor, you rent a fishing hut. You and Dave the ancient mariner hole up in it for a week or so and fish and talk politics. If you're both still alive after that, we all go out and celebrate at the Chinese buffet.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:43 PM

Which is the only restaurant left in town making any coin. And, the poor Canucks working for them are happy to earn a dollar. Learn to skate... hard.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:44 PM

gnu ... I just checked with my wife ... she said it's the fifth bead clockwise .... or did she say the fifth bead counter clockwise??

I'll go and check with her again and get back to ya.

LH ... it was also a time of no seat belts, asbestos insulation, lead based paint, lead based regular gas, (not only where the toy soldiers lead), the woman's place was in the home, everyone smoked, and they smoke just about everywhere, lethal chemicals were dumped anywhere, subtle segregation (yup, also here in Canada too, ever here of Africaville in Nova Scotia, Japanese out in B.C.), rampant poverty in the north, and in the maritimes, our government's mistreatment of it's First Nations back then. All in all things have gotten somewhat better since Mr. Average Canadian voter ... today, unfortuantely we have an 'each person for themselves' evolving attitude.


sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:50 PM

BTW ... that was me number 6 up there at 7:44 PM.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:51 PM

OK. This bead thing has me really confused. If I save enough of them, could I buy Manhattan?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:52 PM

That's true, Guest.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:36 PM

OK. None of you wankers are gonna answer me. I get it. It's OK. Doesn't bother me a bit. Like f#ck the Anglican guy, right? OK. I understand. No need to explain. It's alright, really. I'll just sit here and type out stuff, read with enthusiasm the things about Shatner and Nova Scotia, but let some Alberta guy ask ONE FRIGGIN' QUESTION about beads and Manhattan and does he get a response? Does he? Nooooooooooooooooo!!! Well, I am hur--hey, who's ahead in hockey now?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:39 PM

It's OK, really. I'm going home now. I could die in my sleep and spend eternity wondering whether or not I coulda bought Manhattan, buy it's OK, Really.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:39 PM

Really.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:45 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:52 PM

If you need something to do, Bruce, you could argue with Shambles for me...

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peter T.
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 09:46 PM

I personally have no objection to a Tory minority government -- I mean apart from the fact that I would never vote for such a horrible thing -- it would be a chance for them to learn a few things, moderate themselves, or if not, the Canadian people could vote them out in 12 months and we could start again. What I fear is a Tory majority, which would be a catastrophe -- 5 years of these people with no brakes on them, and it is Bush North.

Strategic voting is an inexact science, to say the least.

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 09:49 PM

I was just corrected by my wife ... it's not the 5th bead clockwise on the rosary ... in fact it's not the rosary at all, it has to with the Buddhist Prayer Beads, it's the 5th bead counter clockwise.

sorry for the all misunderstanding.

My apologies Peace.


What the hell was this 5th bead to mean after all??

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 09:52 PM

Me number 6 again up there at 9:49.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:59 PM

Considering that even Harper recognises that the Liberals dominate the Senate and Supreme Court, there are checks and balances in our system to combat any abuse. Even the Governor General is a Liberal appointee. The fact that he is in favour of an elected Senate, and open to more free votes in the house, how can anone accuse the Conservatives of being so dangerous? We need a change and it appears Canadians realise the Conservatives are willing to effect them. If Harper becomes abusive what will happen to him? Total annihilation of his party at the next election.

Nuff said...

Yours, Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: bobad
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:42 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:28 AM

Peace. I often go to bed early, or I certainly would have answered you. Like I always say... early to bed and early to rise makes a man wonder who won the game. The answer is... YES.

sIx. The fifth bead is love. Earth, wind, fire, rain, love. Remember when Bruce Willis kisses the orange-red haired girl and unleashes the power of good just in time to save the universe from being ruled by evil forever? Brucie... you should know that, being an honourary Cat'lic an all.

Dave. An elected Senate? No way. Keep it or abolish it are the only reasonable alternatives. As for the open votes, not worth a tinker's damn. It's a cowardly way out of commitment to doing what is right. Mob rule does not work, even among MsP.

Little Hawk. Hahahaha, cheeky bugger!!! Seems to me that your proposed political system didn't work all that well in the good old USSR. Again, mob rule sucks.

Good thing the election isn't today, with all the power outages around from the wind and ice storms in this end of the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:22 AM

Excellent post gnu, excellent .... you are a good man!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:31 AM

Gnu - It didn't work well in the USSR because the USSR was dominated by a friggin' POLITICAL PARTY!!!!!   The one thing worse than either 2 or several poltical parties is just ONE damn political party controlling everything...the Nazis in Germany (after 1933) and the Fascists in Italy being other examples of that nasty procedure in action.

Remember: a political party is an organization, and like all organizations it exists mainly to enlarge and sustain itself...at the cost of what?

No, what I am recommending is a bit more like what they had in ancient Greece in the city of Athens...an assembly of equals who are tied to NO organization, debating issues and deciding them by vote. Like Athens, only...no slaves, and the women get to vote too. (just thought I'd better mention that before some smart guy jumped on it...people love to chew on the details)

You ARE part of the "mob", Gnu. Remember that also. ;-) Don't you trust yourself?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:08 AM

LH ... why did that process eventually fail in Athens?

maybe too much debating and not enough action?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:17 AM

It "failed" because a military genius, Philip of Macedonia, conquered all of Greece, including Athens, and established a military dictatorship. Such is life. Everything has a beginning, a middle, and an end. Philip's son was Alexander, an even greater military genius. He came to an end at age 33, lasting a far shorter time than Athenian democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:24 AM

LH... okay. Sorry about my misunderstanding.

Do I trust me? I do now, most, well, some of the time. I am, however, worried about the mob. Half of them can't skate and a great number of the rest of them have their sticks up their arses.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:28 AM

O.K., Peace, save your beads and--

You take Manhattan, the Bronx, and Staten Island, too.
It's lovely strolling through the zoo.
It's mighty fancy on old DeLancey street, you know;
Sweet pushcarts rolling to and fro.
The great big city's a wondrous toy
Just made for a girl and boy.
You'll turn Manhattan into an isle of joy....

from me to thee with love.                         Tw

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:08 AM

I feel better now. Thank you, Tw.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:05 AM

Dave the true logic is if we don't stop Harper we're all fucked.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:25 AM

Raptor,

I am thinking we'll end up with a Harper-led minority government.

Assuming that occurs, what do you figure?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 12:26 PM

fate can only say for sure.

Whatever minority (liberal vs. Tory)we're in for a difficult ride ... it's a reflection of the times we live in. Society will have to work it out, not politics.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 01:28 PM

Dave the true logic is if we don't stop Harper we're all fucked.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 01:58 PM

Peace asked about "....a Harper-led minority government." Harper would negotiate with the Bloc and put the blocks to Canada. That's the real fear.

Peace. You are close enough to his riding. Assuming the liberals haven't forced you to give up your iron, do ya think you could get a good, clean shot?

Whoa... just a joke, eh. Say... there are 'Cats in La Belle Province... hmmm. Maybe Gilles Goosesteppe.... jus pour rire, eh.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:09 PM

gnu, I think the more likely scenario, if there is a minority Tory government is that the Liberals will support Harper on a lot of stuff, particularly in lowering corporate tax rates, which the NDP managed to block during the last go around. Might be good for the boys of Bay St., but it doesn't bode well for the average Canadian at all. The Torys won't get much support from the Bloc if they try to dick with any social programmes that negatively affect Quebec.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:34 PM

My cookies were messing with me and the last post.


I'm Hopeing that if they get in it will be minority. So they can't mess with us too much.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:13 PM

I just love the CONservative Attack ad, attacking the liberal's attack ad's. What a bunch of morons!

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:26 PM

The political $ySStem is based on moronic behaviour and encourages it at every turn.

We live in a political $ySStem that is ridiculous, insane, and totally fucked, period...although...it COULD be a whole lot worse!

(so we should thank our lucky stars)

Look at it this way. Someday someone else besides the Liberals is bound to win. It will almost surely have to be the Conservatives, right? Who else would it be? We will live through it. If they screw up badly, then they will get pulverized in the next election, as Dave pointed out, and then we will be back to electing Liberals for a lengthy stretch.

Ho Hum.

The sky is not falling yet, Raptor. Face it...someday the Conservatives will win, and Canada will not go up in a puff of smoke and vanish when they do. I can't stand them either, but I'm a realist. They and the Liberals are both a major disappointment, but no one else is going to get elected on a national basis. That's life in Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:26 PM

Dave Heres the logic The most votes win. If the conservatives get the most votes they win. And we lose. It's very simple math but if that is too much to get let us know and we'll try to explain it better.
CANADIAN LOGIC.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:27 PM

I'm hearing the young people (30ish) telling the younger people (20ish) to get out and vote because if you don't, you can't complain later when all of a sudden it matters.

A good message and I'm really wondering if the youngsters will determine who wins this election.

Its hard to say. I hope they are smart enough to appreciate Canada as a sovereign nation and that they don't fall prey to rhetoric based on a false economy. I think they are actually very concerned about the environment. That means they will probably vote NDP or Green. I hope so.

If so, we will have a minority government. I hope its a minority Liberal government rather than a minority Conservative government. We will soon know.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:39 PM

Actually GUEST .... I don't think many of the 'youngster's' understand let alone appreciate what it means by Canada being a soverign nation, and as regards to rhetoric based on a false economy, they don't even know what an economy is.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:55 PM

I wonder about that too. Seems to me that when I was in my 20's I mostly voted NDP, but I sure did not grasp the economic issues. I just liked the NDP because they weren't one of the Big Two that ran everything.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 12:11 AM

I was hooked onto the NDP when I came of age to vote ... being influenced by my mother who was a proud card carrying member of the party, she was also a great admirer of Tommy Douglas ... and who wouldn't, he was a great Canadian, let alone a great socialist (in the true meaning).

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 12:22 AM

.....we don't seem to make 'em like that anymore....sad really.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 01:06 PM

100 FLIPPIN' POSTS! Awright! I win. What do I get, eh?

- BDiBR