BS: Caliphate

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 07:39 AM

Try telling that to superstitious peo...

Oh.

Sorry, I forgot.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 08:17 AM

Neither is superstition an issue.
The date on the lease is 1948 and there is no expiry date.
Clear-cut.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 09:39 AM

Did it really [lose the war]Greg?

You bet T-Bird. And the U.S. won the war in Vietnam as well, according to you?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 04:00 AM

Ah I see Baghdad must have fallen then Greg? Funny that as I seem to have missed that item on this mornings news. What is on the news this morning is that ISIS/ISIL/IS or whatever anybody wants to call them are now not only receiving the message load and clear throughout Iraq but are now getting hit in Syria as well. Seems these "Fighters" are very good at gunning down defenceless civilians in their pursuit of "genocide" within this Caliphate of theirs that is supposed to be open to all Muslims, but they aren't so hot when it comes to facing "combat" involving confrontation with armed opposition - par for the course for all terrorist organisations.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi can now join the same club as Ayman al-Zawahiri and Mullah Mohammed Omar. Just imagine it Greg spending the rest of their lives scuttling from one supposed "safe house" to the next never being able to look up at the sky fearful as each day dawns in case you are targeted by a "Drone" launched Hellfire Missile or by a Tomahawk Cruise Missile. Fearful as each night approaches in case you are visited by a HVT Team from US Special Forces.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 09:45 AM

It ain't over 'til its over, T-Bird. Your screed misses the point.Keep watching.

In the meantime, why not explain for us how the U.S. "won" the war in Afghanistan.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 03:53 PM

About time they got hit hard. But I also worry that it ain't over 'til-----

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 02:07 AM

So over the last few days you have had a US President speak about US intervention as part of a "coalition" of the willing, about the "terrorist" threat to both the USA directly, the allies of the USA and to nations in the middle-east region. A threat that must be addressed and addressed urgently.

Excuse me but didn't his immediate predecessor state exactly the same thing just over a decade ago only to be ridiculed and slated for it? GWB was right then and so is Barack Obama now - high time everybody else woke up to smell the coffee.

What is happening now has got nothing whatsoever to do with what America has done in Afghanistan, in Iraq or in Libya - radical Islam and the Islamists have been at war with, and attacking, the "big, bad West" since 1971.

I am afraid to disappoint you Greg but there is still no sign of Baghdad falling - and the prospect of it doing so get more remote with the passing of each day.

Aims of US-OEF Mission in Afghanistan were more or less achieved in full 71 days after the decision was made to assist the Northern Alliance - The Aim? To drive the Taliban from power and then push them and their Al-Qaeda guests out of Afghanistan and back over the border into Pakistan from whence both organisations originally came.

Aims of the UNAMA & ISAF Missions in Afghanistan was to return the country to stable governance by extending the footprint of central government, assist in the UN/Afghan Government's nation-wide programme of reconstruction and assist in the creation, establishment,recruitment, training and equipping of Afghan National Security Forces capable of defending the country and enforcing the rule of law and order within its borders. The UNAMA mission is ongoing, while ISAF's mission was by and large completed by July last year when responsibility for national security and law enforcement throughout Afghanistan was handed over to the Afghan Government and the ANSF. The ANSF, non-existent in 2001, have been fighting the Taliban since 2006, their track record to date is that they have not been defeated once by Taliban forces against them.

Afghanistan today is light years down the road in terms of improvement to what it was under the Taliban in 2001.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 04:18 AM

Meanwhile, racism in Israel - http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/09/huge-race-riot-in-israel-as-african-immigrants-are-beaten-in-the-street/

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 04:35 AM

Richard, every country has a few racists, so why do you only and always attack Israel even on threads like this not even about Israel?
It smacks of racism.
Why do you never attack the institutional racism of Israel's neighbours including the subject of this thread, the Caliphate.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 04:43 AM

"Meanwhile, racism in Israel"

Basically Richard "racism in Israel" has got S.F.A, to do with, or have any bearing whatsoever, on the subject of this thread, so instead of bringing it up here, why not start your own thread:

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in Israel

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 09:05 AM

Afghanistan today is light years down the road in terms of improvement

Pull the other one, Colonel Blimp - it's got bells on.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 09:49 AM

Awwwww come on diddums at least quote the entire sentence:

"Afghanistan today is light years down the road in terms of improvement to what it was under the Taliban in 2001."

But on a brief selection of metrics and we could compare:

Education compare children in full time education now compared to during the "rule" of the Taliban.

Life Expectancy Now it is 60.7 years compared to 41 under Taliban "rule"

Healthcare compare access to healthcare now for all to what was an extremely restricted access under the Taliban

Agriculture vastly improved since 2001

Infrastructure vastly improved since 2001

Foreign Investment non-existent in 2001 now massive from China, India, Japan and Iran.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 02:43 PM

I want to express my appreciation of Greg F.
The kneejerk responses, the failure to miss any cheap shots and to insist on 'equivalency' between contending parties, as well as the example of insisting on racist comments as a premeditated strike against a charge of racism has given flavor and life to this thread, and a few other threads. The rational responses Greg F. has elicited have been well worth reading.
Thus the provocateur has provoked some excellent arguments.
(Could it be that's the motivation?)

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 05:28 PM

No

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 07:31 PM

Love you guys, too.

Now, back to the reality of the situation......

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Sep 14 - 06:54 PM

Ah, the reality of the situation.

For once the French have it right... Don't call them the Islamic anything or the anything State; call them Daesh, which is Arabic, and which they hate.

Then we can get back to talking about the issue instead of each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Sep 14 - 09:10 PM

Arab lady blasts jihadists:

a href="http://news.yahoo.com/female-uae-pilot-leads-strikes-jihadists-130519981.html">http://news.yahoo.com/female-uae-pilot-leads-strikes-jihadists-130519981.html

Triumph for Arab women? Or one more innocent female brainwashed by violent macho culture? Or meaningless propaganda stunt? Or perhaps it never even happened....

Mudcat spinmeisters will decide....

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 05:12 AM

Good point Mrrzy. Snag is, some of the "us v them" bigots here judge people by appearance, religious heritage or their attitude to a particular rogue state they love fawning at the exclusion of all others.

If you wish to know who I mean, their spokesthickcunt will issue a communique shortly no doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 05:33 AM

Plight of Yazidi women and girls taken by Caliphate.

"Meanwhile, experts say some 4,500 individuals - including about 3,000 women and children - remain in IS hands.

The young women and girls are being treated as spoils of war and trafficked around the region. Only a few have managed to escape.

Adla has just been reunited with her husband at a camp in the town of Zakho. She was taken with others from her village and held for 38 days.

"At first I was taken to a big house in Mosul. It was full of women," says Adla, trembling. "They locked all the windows and doors and surrounded it with guards."

"Every day or two, men would come and make us take off our headscarves so they could choose which of us they wanted. Women were dragged out of the house by their hair."

Adla was taken from her village by IS militants and held for 38 days until she eventually fled to safety
As Adla was moved from place to place, she saw her friends being violently beaten and raped. One was forced to leave with her little son at gunpoint."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29333327

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 05:39 AM

"us v them" bigots here judge people by appearance, religious heritage or their attitude to a particular rogue state

Who are these people Musket, or have you made up imaginary straw people to knock down?

Can you give one example of anyone doing any of those things?
Of course not!

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 06:18 AM

In Algeria a French tourist is beheaded by a group claiming allegiance to the Caliphate.

Guardian, 24 sept.
"President François Hollande has confirmed that a French citizen kidnapped in Algeria was beheaded by militants linked to Islamic State (Isis), and said the murder would only serve to reinforce his determination to support efforts against the jihadists.

The group calling itself Jund al-Khilafah – or Soldiers of the Caliphate – released a video that appeared to depict the beheading of Hervé Gourdel, 55, a mountain guide from Nice who had only arrived in Algeria the previous day. The video was entitled Message in Blood for the French Government."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/24/french-tourist-beheaded-algeria-isis-linked-jihadis

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 06:24 AM

So Musket, do you have any contribution to make on this issue, or are you only interested in smearing actual contributors?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 09:08 AM

See? I told you the communique wouldn't take long being issued..

It also includes newsfeeds at no extra cost...

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 09:10 AM

No contribution then.
Just lying smears against anyone who disagrees with Musket on anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 11:54 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 05:00 PM

Anyone who thinks "job even slightly done" in Afghanistan is ignoring both history and current reality. Karzai has been no more than the mayor of Kabul for over a decade. And just wait until we've all gone home.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 05:26 PM

Undercover footage:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/new-video-uncovers-life-in-is-controlled-syrian-city-of-raqqa-185906172.html

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 06:00 PM

Anyone who thinks "job even slightly done" in Afghanistan is ignoring both history and current reality

And the winner is...... TERIBUS the TERRIBLE!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 06:35 PM

ISIS?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 06:58 PM

"ISIS?"

So, you see absolutely no difference at at all between that event and ISIS, right?

And before you say "I didn't say that" that is what you are implying.....it's just another one of your lame attempts at creating a false equivalency and it's getting old and rather sad but whatever floats your boat I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 08:03 PM

G'night, Boo- keep up the flood of BS.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 08:45 PM

Ha, ha Greg....gotcha!

G'night to ya too and a mighty fine night it is in our neck of the woods ain't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 11:36 PM

Musket, which of my many good points did you mean (*BG*)?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 01:33 AM

Of course that was a false equivalency, most dubiously motivated, of Greg F's. The Oklahoma incident related was a recognisedly illegal beheading by a criminal individual, in no way comparable to these quasi-judicial ones perpetrated by a disputedly but self-claimingly competent organisation, of the sort with which we are concerned. A blatantly irrelevant attempt at deflection from the topic.

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 03:53 AM

Greg and Steve, and I don't know who else:
"Anyone who thinks "job even slightly done" in Afghanistan is ignoring both history and current reality".

Yeah, We learned from Iran/Contra....this time we're guarding the opium poppy fields ourselves....and need a larger force to guard the guards!"

Same shit...different flies!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 12:50 PM

Mrrzy. The bit about not confusing the ISIS crowd with Islam per se.

You see, there are some on here who judge all Middle East concerns on which imaginary friend you have and tar all Muslims as bad whilst saying Christians would never this and that and criticising Israel is anti semitic.

One of them even says that UK bodies representing groups of mosques don't exist, whilst at the same time they are on the telly deploring ISIS.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 01:05 PM

Sorry M & Boo-

but a lopped off head- ...................................................................................................................................................is a lopped off head, no matter who does the lopping.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 01:22 PM

Greg F: "but a lopped off head- .........................is a lopped off head, no matter who does the lopping."

But in the case of this guy....but this one was just a cop shooting a black man for no reason.... according to the libs on another thread!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 02:57 PM

You see, there are some on here who judge all Middle East concerns on which imaginary friend you have and tar all Muslims as bad whilst saying Christians would never this and that and criticising Israel is anti semitic.

Made up slur.
There is no-one here who does any of that.

One of them even says that UK bodies representing groups of mosques don't exist, whilst at the same time they are on the telly deploring ISIS.

If you mean me, you are wrong.
Most large towns have councils of mosques.
There is a Muslim Council of Britain.
There is just no British Council of Mosques which you claimed to quote.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Sep 14 - 02:06 AM

Oh come on, Greg. Think of the saying that "Circumstances alter cases". Obviously "a lopped off head is a lopped off head". But do you really think them all equally to be considered, or deplored, whether they belong to Charles I or Mary Queen Of Scots or Sir Walter Ralegh or Danton or Robespierre or M Verdoux or a Boxer rebel or an ISIS hostage or a recent middle-aged female murder victim in Oklahoma?

Away you...

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Sep 14 - 10:06 AM

But do you really think them all equally to be considered, or deplored

They're pretty much the same to the victim. And yup - dead is dead & murder is murder.

The politics is something else entirely, but it doesn'tmodify the result.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 28 Sep 14 - 07:25 PM

""Richard, every country has a few racists, so why do you only and always attack Israel even on threads like this not even about Israel?
It smacks of racism.
Why do you never attack the institutional racism of Israel's neighbours including the subject of this thread, the Caliphate.""

so, K A of H, why do you only and always attack Israel's neighbours, including the subject of this thread, the Caliphate.

It smacks of racism.

Why do you never admit the institutional racism of Israel, even on threads about Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Sep 14 - 08:15 PM

Because he's probably Bibi's uncle. Can't think of any other rational explanation for Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Sep 14 - 04:10 AM

Do you not think that the Caliphate deserves criticism?
Or Assad's regime?
I criticise evil where I see it.
You people ignore all that evil all around Israel, and only and always single Israel out.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Sep 14 - 06:09 AM

I think even the mods have given up on Ian....perhaps it's better to leave his nonsense in place to let future readers see just what he is made of.

Back to the point, only a fool would fail to realise the danger posed by the lunatics who run the Caliphate, but it is obvious that we contributed to their rise by support of regimes like Saudi Arabia.
We are still working with them.
There is no centre ground in the Middle East, affectations of democratic government are a sham....a cover for the decapitators to do their worst. Assad warned of the danger while we armed his opponents, "useful idiots" for IS.

Democracy itself is a sham......power politics rules...pressure groups or bribery....

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 01:41 AM

Perhaps Akenaton you should have been a bit more specific:

"There is no centre ground in the Middle East, affectations of democratic government are a sham"

While that may well apply to the Arab states in the region it most certainly does not apply to the state of Israel, which is a democracy albeit one that has existed as a democracy under constant threat of attack and annihilation since the date of its inception.

You also ignore balance which is vital for the peace and stability of the region, a region which up until the last few years was vital to the developed economies of this planet - it still is to some in varying degrees.

If indeed democracy is a sham, I have yet to see a better alternative to live under - the same applies to capitalism. Both have outlasted and survived where all the other "isms" have failed miserably.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 03:07 AM

Contribution from a prime example of intolerance and ignorance, just what this thread needs.

I'm going to get a shower.

If anyone wants to read the final few posts on the Scotland/England thread, they are hilarious.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 04:01 AM

Can't disagree with the points you make Teribus, but how many other "isms" have actually been put into practice?

Looking to the future there must be better ways of governance than "democracy" which is obviously manipulated by powerful pressure groups, and even more so by the "social media".....not to mention the interests of capital or personal greed.

Take "Socialism", a great theory, but to be put into practice it requires the demolition of the whole apparatus of Capitalism....a mammoth task to provide a level playing field...and a realisation that many people perhaps the majority are going to be worse off financially, with a lower MATERIAL standard of living.

Just like the Scottish referendum, most people don't want to make that leap of faith, so we continue to sink into the mire of greed ignorance and waste.

If the underclass are to be inspired into contributing to society, then the obscenity at the other end of the spectrum must be addressed

If we do not plan for the future, we will have NO future.


Ian takes a lot of showers, doesn't he......must be a right stinker?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 04:35 AM

And does anyone else share my distinct impression that, despite his exemplary personal cleanliness, and his ever·so·right·on stances, Musket's posts [that last one being an admirable examplar] are ever so long on assertiveness, but somewhat short in intellectual content or argument. Anyone can say authoritatively "This is so, because it's so, because I say it's so... ad ∞∞∞ in ♠♠♠". But how about some actual convincing arguments to maintain these assertions; eh, Ian?

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 05:11 AM

"we continue to sink into the mire of greed ignorance and waste."

All personal life choices Akenaton

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