BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 May 10 - 09:55 PM

"US bigots".   Oh, so all the critics of BP are disciples of Pat Robertson.   That's interesting.

WSJ:   26 May 2010:   "BP made choices over the course of the project that rendered this well more vulnerable to the blowout...."    There's a huge article on just what those choices were.

As they say, facts are stubborn things.

Though proud leftist lawyers cannot be expected to be interested--it might question their comfortable Manichean AKA Marxist view of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 May 10 - 10:05 PM

Though actually why a Marxist should want to defend one of the biggest multinationals in the world is, shall we say, a puzzlement. (I'm sure this point has already been raised but the thread is a bit long to check.)

So since his ire is directed against the US, perhaps he's a bit bitter about the outcome of the 1775-1783 unpleasantness.

Or perhaps he just wanted to guarantee the thread would be a long one. As we know, an incendiary thread title is a crucial element for that outcome.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 May 10 - 10:05 PM

See other thread for quotes from Wall Street Journal articles.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Guest Teribus
Date: 29 May 10 - 01:11 AM

1. Transocean provides the rig and crew to operate it. They (Transocean?) can do nothing in regard to the drilling except give advice.

Absolute rubbish, BP are the Operator of the Field or concession (i.e. the licence holder), Transocean are the specialist contractor brought in to drill the well, as specialist contractor they are responsible to see that they operate safely, they are responsible for ensuring that their equipment is well maintained and "fit for purpose", they are responsible for checking and verifying that CPI (Company Provided Items) issued to them by BP are in good order and "fit for purpose" in relation to their (Transocean's) equipment, methods and operating procedures. As Operator BP is ultimately responsible irrespective, whether or not they are to blame or at fault is another matter entirely.

2. When first drilling down, a BP manager ordered a faster pace Due to the faster pace, the bottom of the well split open and the well had to be abandoned, costing BP millions.

I take it then that on that particular occasion Transocean could not have felt in the mood for giving advice.

<3.>A rig accident damaged the annular at the top of the blowout preventer. The crew sealed the pipe, but too much force was applied, and chunks of the rubber annular came up in the drilling fluid.
The supervisor said it was no big deal.

A rig accident? Did something hit the top of the blow-out preventer as it stood on deck? If so Transocean at fault for not having protective cap in place; not employing safe crane operating procedures; poor crane operation. I say Transocean as BP would not be involved in any of the above. Was the top of the BOP struck by something under water? Again it is Transocean at fault they are physically carrying out the work, it is their hands that are on the levers, and it is their judgement that is used with regard to when those levers are pulled and things landed on.

The crew sealed the pipe, but too much force was applied? Again the men making up that "crew" would be Transocean's responsibility, working under direct Transocean supervision in accordance with Transocean's standard operating procedures.

<4.> It will be some time before the investigative committee reports, but it looks like a sloppy, careless crew were on the drill floor and mud control procedures were overridden by BP supervisor.

Ah! so now the "Nurnberg Defence" holds good does it? "I was only following orders". Again complete and utter rubbish. Transocean were there as the specialists, the experts, that is why they were given the contract, if they were asked to do anything that they thought compromised the safety of the job they should have refused to do it. It is called maintaining your professional integrity.

PS: He (Mike Williams)stated that an official from BP complained that the drilling procedure was taking too long and costing too much money. He ordered changes in the normal drilling practices and insisted that they "speed it up!"

Normal operating condition, from personal experience Operators the world over always complain that the drilling is taking too long and costing too much. He can order all he wants, he can demand and stamp and shout, He is incapable of actually implementing his orders or demands so if it is not safe then it does not get done if the senior members of the Transocean Team are doing their jobs correctly.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 May 10 - 02:20 PM

"...another matter..."


OK, Teribus, is BP blameless?   Yes or no.   No tome necessary.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 May 10 - 02:26 PM

Transocean has nothing to do with the BP drilling crew, which was under the direction of BP supervisors.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 10 - 02:35 PM

Could BP not have fired Transocean and hire someone else had they not obeyed orders? If not, why not?

A BP official expressed surprise at what happened, saying, "I didn't think an oil well would do that!"

He considers himself an oil man, and had never seen a gusher before!?

. . . paper-pushing, bean-counting desk jockey. . . .

Mike Williams said that they didn't think that the job couldn't be speeded up, but they didn't believe it would be safe and prudent to do so. The BP official was very insistent and demanding. What Williams and the others on the drilling rig were afraid might possibly happen is what did happen, but it was far worse than they anticipated.

No, the ultimate responsibility belongs to BP, and as I say above, it does not matter if it's BP, Exxon, Shell, or anyone else, they are ultimately responsible and "bigotry" has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 May 10 - 03:06 PM

Fire Transocean?
Transocean is an owner and builder of large semisubmersible vessels which are towed to drill sites. "Rig" is hardly the word for them.

Maersk and Keppelfels are other builders and leasors.
These vessels cost about half a billion dollars, and are usually contracted by oil majors before they are built, and there are anxious companies waiting for one of them to become available.

This Keppelfels description is good and gives an idea of their size.

DSS38

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 May 10 - 04:14 PM

BP cut corners. That's not bigotry. That's fact.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: mousethief
Date: 29 May 10 - 04:49 PM

And had a long and verifiable history of cutting corners, two factors of 10 that than their competitors. Are all Brits this unscrupulous (or incompetent) in their business practices? Can't possibly be. This must be about BP in particular, not their nation of origin.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 30 May 10 - 06:47 AM

There was NO BP Drilling Crew

Transocean own and operate the rigs they provide the crew

Were they running casing at the time then a specialist casing sub-contractor would put a crew out to do that job, once the casing is set they then turn the drill floor back to the Transocean Crew who would then drill the well.

Was BP to blame, I have no idea, based on what I have read so far, it would not surprise me if they are somewhat in part to blame. Are they responsible? undoubtedly. You are talking about operations right at the leading edge of the technology currently available in this depth of water and at this depth of well they are pioneering.

Something like being a passenger in a taxi and you are in a hurry. You instruct the taxi driver to run a red light, or urge him to go faster or overtake. If there is an accident, a collision, you as the passenger would not be charged, the taxi driver would as he should have exercised better judgement as he was in charge of the car.

Could BP fire Transocean, yes of course they could but it would be highly unlikely as it would have cost them too much in terms of time and money. As stated above there are not that many rigs that can drill in this depth of water.

Nobody complained about BP when they discovered the latest "Elephant" in deep water in Gulf Of Mexico a few months ago, no talk of incompetence then. The discovery of that field will radically alter oil imports for the US

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 May 10 - 10:13 AM

"...somewhat in part to blame..."

That's big of you.

What about the Wall St. Journal article to which I referred?   How many details do you need before it penetrates your brain that BP by its decisions must bear the lion's share of responsibility for this disaster?

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 May 10 - 12:56 PM

More of trying to do it on the cheap-

Internal memos at BP- On June 22, BP engineers expressed concern that the metal casing the company wanted to use might collapse under high pressure.
"This would certainly be a worst-case scenario," Mark E. Hafle, a senior drilling engineer at BP, warned in an internal report. "However, I have seen it happen so know it can occur."
BP went ahead with the casing, but only after getting special permission from BP colleagues because it violated the company's safety policies and design standards.
BP documents released last week to The Times revealed that company officials knew the casing was the riskier of two options.

"Documents show early worries about safety of rig," NY Times May 29, 2010. Ian Urbina, reporter.
The use of the light weight casing was noted elsewhere, as I noted in one of these threads.

Terribus is wrong- the drilling crew was entirely BP crew and supervised by BP employees.
Transocean owned and cared for the rig, but the drilling program was entirely BP's.

BP was lucky (?) that the blowout did not occur at the previous well, also risky in that wells drilled to that depth (c. 35000 feet) and in a mile of water are entering a realm at the limit of possibility, and in case of blowout there are no tested cures except drilling offset wells, which takes months.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: DougR
Date: 30 May 10 - 04:19 PM

Mousethief: "There is nothing in what Obama has said that has anything to do with nationalism."

I certainly agree with you, Mousethief, were it true, it would be a first!

Kendall: "They (BP) are still motivated by profit first and safety second."

Of course profit is their motivation! If it weren't the shareholders would certainly be looking around for a new CEO! As to the importance of safety to the company, that's more a matter of opinion unless there are facts to support the statement. I know that the Texas City explosion was a terrible one for which BP was responsible but what is their overall record?

DougR

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 10 - 04:29 PM

But profit at the expense of safety and legality?

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 May 10 - 05:17 PM

ABC News:
"In two separate disasters prior to the oil rig explosion, 30 BP workers have been killed and more than 200 seriously injured.
"In the last five years ..... BP has admitted to breaking U. S. environmental and safety laws and committing outright fraud. BP paid $373 million in fines to avoid prosecution'"
"According to the Center for Public Integrity, in the last three years, BP refineries in Ohio and Texas have accounted for 97% of the "egregious, willful" violations handed out by OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration).
"OSHA statistics show BP ran up 760 "egregious, willful" safety violations, while Sunoco and Conoco-Phillips each had eight, Citgo had two and Exxon had one comparable violation."

In the Texas City disaster, BP "paid $50 million in criminal fines....and acknowledged violating the Clean Air Act."
It also was fined $21 million by OSHA for safety violations.

MMS fined BP for a near blowout at an offshore rig in 2002.

The Prudhoe Bay pipeline break dumped oil into Prudhoe Bay. Caused by failure to detect corrosion in the pipeline; it had stopped sending probes to detect corrosion in the line as a cost-cutting measure. BP was fined by MMS.

Tony Hayward, the boy wonder exec, has slashed 7500 jobs and made $4 billion in cuts to expenses.

I can find more.....

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 May 10 - 05:21 PM

The ABC report by Thomas, Jones, Cloherty and Ryan, "BP's Dismal Safety Record," May 27, 2010. ABC World News.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 May 10 - 05:30 PM

Much of what ABC News reported appeared earlier in the NY Times:
www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/business/09bp.html

Operation of the Atlantis platform in the Gulf of Mexico currently under investigation.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 30 May 10 - 11:58 PM

"These vessels cost about half a billion dollars, and are usually contracted by oil majors before they are built, and there are anxious companies waiting for one of them to become available."

I know where they can find an idle one, only slightly singed, and water-logged. It comes with its own lubrication, too.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: kendall
Date: 31 May 10 - 07:01 AM

Everything they have tried has failed. This is the worst environmental disaster in our history. Blaming gets us no where. BP is responsible and they should be forced to do whatever it takes to clean up their mess.
These people who are howling that the government should take over the operation are not being realistic. Who is there in the government that is qualified to do that? Bobby Jindal is making a lot of noise but it's mostly political; he wants Obama to fail just like that bloviating fathead, Limbaugh.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 May 10 - 01:35 PM

Only another oil company with personnel experienced in deep water could take over. That might add transparency to procedures, but abilities the same.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: SINSULL
Date: 31 May 10 - 05:50 PM

Kendall,
I am surprised at your question. We'll just blow it off the face of the earth and be done with it,

Sorry, my toe hurts and I am getting as much mileage out of it as possible.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 12:09 AM

What Q said. Take BP out of the picture entirely. Pick the major oil company with the best safety record over the last 10 years, give them blank check to do whatever they can to stop the leak and clean up the spill, and send BP the bill.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 07 Jun 10 - 04:15 PM

while I agree hat any companies involved in this accident should share responsibilty for the clean up and cost of lives, I don't agree with the term bigot in the thread title. Hypocrite might be more appropriate.


Following link does not help BP look better to the public. Are they stupid or what?

BP buys internet search terms to divert searchers away from oil spill news

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Jun 10 - 08:34 PM

JThe Trans-Alaska Pipeline, partly owned by BP, shut down on Tuesday after spilling several thousand barrels of crude oil into backup containers, drastically cutting supply down the main artery between refineries and Alaska's oilfields.

The accident comes at a difficult time for BP -- the largest single owner of the pipeline operator, holding 47 percent -- as it struggles to plug a gushing Gulf of Mexico oil well.

The shutdown followed a series of mishaps that resulted from a scheduled fire-command system test at Pump Station 9, about 100 miles south of Fairbanks, said Alyeska Pipeline Service Co, the operator of the 800-mile oil line.

The power outage triggered opening of relief valves, causing an unspecified volume of crude oil to overflow a storage tank into a secondary containment. There were no injuries, but the approximately 40 people at the work site were evacuated, Alyeska spokeswoman Michele Egan said.

North Slope oil producers have cut their flow into the pipeline's Prudhoe Bay intake station to 16 percent of their normal rates, Egan said. There is enough storage capacity to allow the line to be shut down for 48 hours as long as producers maintain the 16 percent flow rate, she said.

It is unclear how long the shutdown will last.

"We're going to take as long as we need to make sure the site is safe before we start back up," Egan said. Supply problems in the pipeline potentially disrupt tanker shipments to refineries.

The volume of spilled oil is unknown. "We've estimated the spill is several thousand barrels," she said. All has been held within the secondary containment, which has capacity to hold 104,500 barrels, she said. The amount spilled is "nowhere near" the containment area's capacity, she added.

Alyeska is a consortium owned by five oil companies. Major owners are BP, ConocoPhillips and Exxon Mobil. Unocal and Koch hold minor shares.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Jun 10 - 09:20 PM

Virginia Tam, the site says the article is being prepared and should be ready in 5 minutes- some hours ago; the 5 minute wait is still a 5 minute wait.
You can find the story at SFGate, the San Francisco Chronicle site.

"If you search for news and information about the oil spill on the internet, your first result will be a link to BP's website that the tagline describes as "how BP is helping." That's because the company has purchased "oil spill" as words through Google and Yahoo. "Oil spill" has been among the top searches on Google, twitter and Yahoo for several weeks."
"To add insult to injury, the better source of information is the website of the Unified Command, which includes BP and Transocean as well as the government agencies involved in the cleanup."
(bold letters mine).

Obama previously criticized BP for buying $50 million in television advertizing .............

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 09:26 AM

But profit at the expense of safety and legality?

But of COURSE ! At the expense of any and every thing. That's The BuShite/Douggite dogma.

Its why the U.S. is headed for the crapper.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 09:46 AM

Have you seen the video of the gas pump that has the sign DO NOT LEAVE PUMP UNATTENDED. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SPILLS.
The funny part is, in the background is a BP sign!

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 10:31 AM

Funny? ya gots a strange sense of humor! ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 11:19 AM

Just in case someone has not read the other thread on what was involved in the leadup to the accident, I will repost this from that thread:

"The "Deepwater Horizon" was a drilling platform... it was being prepared to move to another location so a pumping platform could come in and extract the oil.
The explosion was a result of trying to simplify and shorten the process of attaching the pumping platform. As they were sealing the pipe in order to move, they used seawater instead of 'drilling mud' to block the pipe while final disconnections were mead. Drilling mud would have taken a couple of weeks to 'clear', and delayed the start of pumping oil. There was a flawed seal which was not tested properly which allowed pressure to 'blow out' the seal and send high-pressure water & oil up and cause the explosion & fire.
It was partially greed & impatience and careless maintenance by BOTH BP and the operators that led to the failure, but there was a big argument in the hours before the fire as to how to do the sealing... **BP** overruled those doing the work and told them to use the shortcut....and then claimed "We aren't the operators."

Now....the point is..no matter who was actually on the drilling crew, BP was giving the orders as to how to do the intended sealing

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 01:42 PM

Should we give London a taste of shock and awe for harboring these ecological terrorist? ;D

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 01:54 PM

Where are the vigilantes of yesteryear?

Coat Tony Hayward in tar and ride him on a rail into Gulf oil spill-

Well, it's a thought.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 02:10 PM

Lets be civil.

Take Tony and give him a nice beach house right in the middle of the spill. Enforce his stay with house arrest. Make sure the air conditioner is defective. Give him estimates on how good the air conditioner is and how optimistic we are at how soon it will be repaired.

Make sure all his food and water come from the Gulf area.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 02:21 PM

Greg F it is not funny in the humorous sense, it is ironic.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: GUEST,Rev. Goose 'Goof' Gander (retired)
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 06:11 PM

BP Response Plan Severely Flawed

Surprise!

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 02:10 PM

There are voices in UK that now openly decree on BBC that the US goverment is a bigot when it comes to relations with big corporations like BP.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 05:22 PM

While it grieves me to agree with Boris (Bloody Stupid) Johnson, the conservative mayor of London, he is now saying that the anti British nature of US rhetoric on the spill is a matter for concern, and so are other politicians. Well, I suppose better late than never.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Alice
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 05:32 PM

So.... if a USA oil company drilled a well just off a sensitive wildlife and fishery habitat of Britain and they did not have a realistic disaster plan or follow safety checks, a major oil leak onto shore would result in a response from the UK of... ?

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 05:42 PM

Oh, Alice, that is so different.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 06:30 PM

When there is human and environmental damage in other countries, how do USA companies measure up for care and compensation?

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Editorial/1186571.html

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Rev. Goose 'Goof' Gander (retired)
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 06:35 PM

Funny how a little oil spill can transform a modern liberal into an 18th-century Tory.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 06:44 PM

B.P. is a "country" unto itself. Tony Hayward belongs in jail.

This has nothing to do with Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Alice
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 07:00 PM

Yes, I think of Bhopal, India, and Union Carbide, too, the largest industrial disaster so far in the world.

My point is, no matter what company owns the responsibility, a disaster is a disaster no matter where it happens in the world. Corporations are responsible for what they do and don't do when they cause a disaster.

No matter where they are based or where it happens, corporations like Union Carbide, BP, DOW Chemical, Siemens, EXXON, BSAF, mining companies in China, the US... you get my point.


We should all be outraged when negligence causes industrial disasters anywhere in the world.



Alice

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 07:34 PM

BP had better start paying those bills for compensation that are piling up or it may face more than unkind words.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 08:59 PM

When there is human and environmental damage in other countries, how do USA companies measure up for care and compensation?

Nobody said US companies were all sweetness and light, so this is a total non sequitur. Megacorporations which flout safety regulations and act recklessly in their pursuit of the almighty dollar/yen/pound/euro are everywhere despised. Trying to get BP off the hook because it's a British company is also despicable. They fucked up, they can take their lumps, whether their headquarters is on the Thames or the Sea of Tranquility. This is so not a nationalist issue. I'm starting to think the Brits are just horribly insecure in their feelings about their own country, and any criticism -- even if it's not against Britain but against a company that used to have "British" in its name -- feeds the fires of their inferiority complex. How else to explain this thread?

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 09:46 PM

""BP had better start paying those bills for compensation that are piling up or it may face more than unkind words.""

There was an interview on BBC TV about ten days ago in which we were told that BP was already paying out on every damage claim presented, and were doing so in 48 hours, rather than the 45 days which is the norm in the USA.

Thet had already stated several times that they had every intention of paying the whole bill for the clear-up (in fact they said so long before the US government started this high profile vote saving attack on BP).

Now, I hold no brief for any company which puts profit ahead of safety, and notwithstanding any arguments as to degrees of responsibility, BP is, and has accepted that it is, ultimately responsible for clearing up the mess.

I fail to see, however, the benefits (given that they are footing the total bill) of slagging them off and threatening criminal prosecutions, and seizure of assets, as a result of which 40 percent of the company's value has been wiped out.

I know that things are done differently in the US of A, but I'd love to know how driving the company out of business will help to provide the billions needed for the job.

Don't you think it might be smarter to keep the smart mouths shut, and let them get on with it.

Incidentally, it has to be said that British companies were much more ethically operated up until the late 1950s when American business influences first made themselves felt over here. True indeed to say that US corporations taught people like BP all they know about modern business practices.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 10:02 PM

BP has paid out only $5000 on claims processed so far- billions are necessary to clean up their mess, pay for lost business and wages of the many now unemployed as a result, and restore wetlands and the organisms that inhabit them and the Gulf waters.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 10:37 PM

True indeed to say that US corporations taught people like BP all they know about modern business practices.

And they lapped it up like milk. Corruption corrupts. News at 11.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 11:06 PM

Nonsense, mousethief.
British Industrialists began with the Industrial Revolution and as early as the British East India Company.
A few in the 19th c. were William Forster, Robert Peel, Cecil Rhodes, Richard Awkright, William Armstrong, Richard Young, etc., etc., ......
They taught people such as Carnegie in the States.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: ichMael
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 11:13 PM

This whole event has been a scam. Goldman Sachs (huge bank) sold all their BP stock just before the "accident."

Goldman Sachs sold $250 million of BP stock before spill

Goldman Sachs knew what was coming, same as AB Brown (German bank) knew what was coming in the days before 9/11. Buzzy Krongard (#3 at the CIA) used to work for Brown, and Brown miraculously bought a record number of put options against United and American airlines just before the attacks. Hundreds of aviation stocks to choose from, and they bet against those two.

Suppressed Details of Criminal Insider Trading Lead Directly into the CIA's High

So this is another act of government-sponsored terrorism.

But who benefits? At first glance it seems that Obama's the loser--stumbling around looking ineffective--but don't forget that he's pushing "green" technology. You know...in this age of nuclear power he wants to force America back to medieval windmill technology and such. And he just got refuted at the Copenhagen Conference, so what's a ruthless genocidalist to do? Blow a well in the Gulf of Mexico and then stumble around like it's all a big mystery to him. And meanwhile, the damage gets uglier and uglier. After this, America will be easy to sell on the notion that we need that genocidalist ethanol, and thousand-year-old windmills instead of oil.

This whole thing is a sham. A show.