BS: Recent SPAM attacks

Subject: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 May 07 - 04:28 PM

OK, given the wide-ranging topics Mudcat discusses, I can see where the spammers might think we had an interest in their products. BUT WHY do they think we have any money for it?

We ARE folkies, after all: One would think they would be able to figure this out!

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Bill D
Date: 16 May 07 - 06:34 PM

'thinking' has little to do with posting spam. Obviously, they never look to see if it has been seen or not.

I suspect that they do searches for words, and if one appears in a forum which allows posting, they slam in a C & P and go away.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 16 May 07 - 06:38 PM

C @ P? (Lost my bloody ampersand again.)

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:15 PM

cut and paste

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: skipy
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:18 PM

&, Peace, have mine.
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: ragdall
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:20 PM

cut and paste
I believe you meant copy and paste?

Here, Peace, you may copy one of these:
& & & & & &

rags

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:21 PM

Thank you all & that ampersand was a C & P from Skipy.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:22 PM

Nope. The term is "cut and paste," even if you happen to be doing a copy and paste. That's just what it's called. (And of course, even if you cut once, you paste many times. . . )

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:22 PM

Cut & & & & & & Copy & & & & & & Paste.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:26 PM

Well, y'all best not get me encourgaed with this stuff. Last time I learned something new--BLUE CLICKIES--folks was asking to have it taken away from me.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:34 PM

I don't know why . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Amos
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:49 PM

What we need to realize here, folks, is that it is we, in our insulated, narrow little world of folkie stuff, who are in the wrong.

If we would only each BUY one of their tablet bottles of Viagara, SUBSCRIBE to their tit-of-the-hour clubs, PAY for their precious access to Bestialty's Best, and order ALL our medicines from them, THEN they would leave us alone.

I am counting on you!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Bill D
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:50 PM

being a philosophical, pedantic purist, *I* like to call 'em likes I sees 'em, and iff'n you don't make the original source disappear, it's COPY & paste. I sometimes do CUT & paste when composing, but....

and that's why I shorten it to C&P, so's ya'll can read it any which way. Ain't I a good guy?

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 May 07 - 08:11 PM

"If we would only each BUY one of their tablet bottles of Viagara, SUBSCRIBE to their tit-of-the-hour clubs, PAY for their precious access to Bestialty's Best, and order ALL our medicines from them, THEN they would leave us alone."


one one one

Yeah - one at a time, mate....

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 16 May 07 - 08:14 PM

A truckload of viagra was stolen in Red Deer yesterday. The police are looking for hardened criminals.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 May 07 - 08:14 PM

The original does frequently disappear. Sometimes when I don't want it to. I actually do more cut and paste because otherwise I end up with the same thing in a couple of places in the document, if I missed getting rid of the first occurrence.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Amos
Date: 16 May 07 - 08:23 PM

Let's hope those hardened criminals don't dump their loot in the local reservoir.

The whole town would take on airs like a Springsteen concert.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: ragdall
Date: 16 May 07 - 09:09 PM


Nope. The term is "cut and paste," even if you happen to be doing a copy and paste. That's just what it's called. (And of course, even if you cut once, you paste many times. . . )

Well, Phbttttttttttttttt.   Only when you are making up the terms. ;)

I refer you to How To Copy and Paste at webmasternow.com and also this article at the highly acclaimed Wikipedia site which makes the distinction between the two. You cannot cut from a document to which you cannot make changes, such as a message board. You can only copy.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: JennyO
Date: 16 May 07 - 09:44 PM

In my early computer days, which were also my early Mudcat days, the reason I was having trouble with the Blue Clicky Page here was because of the step that says "cut and paste this into your post:". I found I wasn't offered the option of cutting, so that stumped me for a while. When I finally found I could COPY and paste, I came to the conclusion that they made a mistake saying 'cut and paste'.

It all seems quite obvious now, but to a complete newbie, such things can be confusing. All I can say is - if the term for both actions is 'cut and paste', it shouldn't be.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 16 May 07 - 09:55 PM

Well, I am the most ilette/ililitte/illitterate/ non-savey/savvey/ least knowlegeibl/knowledgibbl/ I don't know shit about computers, so I just do the blue clickies thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 May 07 - 09:59 PM

It's a confusion of historic terms.

When all editing for magazines took place on paper hard copy - before computers (I am that old!) - if you wanted to remove something - you cut it out with scissors or a sharp blade.

If you wanted to have copies of something inserted in a "paste-up" original paper document which was then used as the original image in a photolith printing process - you cut out new copies from duplicate pages and then pasted them in where needed.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Rowan
Date: 16 May 07 - 10:48 PM

Me too, Foolestroupe. And then I discovered Letraset. No cutting or pasting, just gentle rubbing.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 May 07 - 11:05 PM

OOOOOOOOOOO

Want any help with your Letraset?

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Bee
Date: 16 May 07 - 11:44 PM

Yes, the term originates with 'cut and paste' as described above. Ah, the old days of waxing up copy, cutting ruby lith, laying in letraset here and there....

So glad those days are gone!

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: JennyO
Date: 17 May 07 - 12:06 AM

Aw I dunno, Bee - the "gentle rubbing' bit sounds all right ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: ragdall
Date: 17 May 07 - 02:54 AM

Nods and gets into the "gentle rubbing" line behind JennyO.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 May 07 - 03:33 AM

What's all this about 'tit-of-the-hour' clubs? If you want to see tits, I have three sorts here. I don't charge the extortionate rates that those sites do, so for just a bar of chocolate or a bottle of something drinkable, you can come and see great tits, blue tits and occasionally a coal tit. At the moment, a great one is hanging upside down from the feeder whilst her mate is wiping it's beak on a branch.

I've installed 'state of the ark' viewing facilities and as soon as I've got the horse manure off the table and onto the garden, there'll be somewhere to rest your glasses.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Rowan
Date: 17 May 07 - 06:58 PM

At work I was hunting for a manilla folder and the only one I found, at the bottom of the stationery cupboard, had an almost untouched sheet of


Letraset 188.


Can I resist the urge?

Cheer, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 18 May 07 - 03:09 AM

"Can the posts deleted from this thread be restored please?"

Highly unlikely.

"And if not - can some indication be given where this deletion has
taken place?"

In between the present posts visible on this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 18 May 07 - 03:10 AM

HAHAHHAHAAA!!!

A spam thread infiltrated by.... SPAM!!!



Peace, is your ampersand not above your number 7? That's where most keyboards have them...

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 18 May 07 - 05:06 AM

Isn't it just quicker to type "and" Liz? As far as I am concerned, it is a piece of shorthand which apart from writing your own HTML is making pub signs shorter is pretty much unnecessary these days.
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 18 May 07 - 05:08 AM

Actually, one thing the spam does do is bring back into daylight random old threads. Once the attack has been corrected by the clones, the old thread returns to its dark basement, but occasionally they are worth a read if you catch them before they do so.
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 May 07 - 12:30 AM

Geoff is right - it's actually a pubic servic.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 May 07 - 01:00 AM

I work in print and web media, and have always used keystrokes over drop down menus. Control X and Control C are cut and copy. Control V is paste. I do a lot of editing on documents that can and must be changed. Over the years in the different venues where I work, what I do was and is still is called cut and paste, regardless of the number of folks who only do copy and paste in their particular media.

I'll spare you my lecture on the hazards of citing Wikipedia as an authoritative source.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 19 May 07 - 01:07 AM

Thanks, Liz. Sure enough, there it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 19 May 07 - 02:34 AM

The delations took place between the posts that still remain. Elementary, my dear Watson. Elementary.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 May 07 - 03:32 AM

Whereas the titillations take place wherever you can get away with it...

Sorry Liz...

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 19 May 07 - 04:35 AM

Don't apologise... just get it where you can!

As I trained as a typist (i.e., I use 9 digits instead of 2), it is quicker for me to type a n d, but 'ampersand' is just as easy... Using the actual ampersand (the squiggly '&' thingy) makes no difference, the speed I type at. I'm one of the few people in my office who can actually write it with a pen.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 May 07 - 07:54 AM

Judging by what some of them type, I think they only use one digit, Liz.....

oooo, I'll leave now...

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 19 May 07 - 11:08 AM

Why "Ampersand"?

Who was Ampers, and why did his "and" have to look different from everybody else's?

Just wondering!
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 20 May 07 - 04:32 AM

Many years ago, when I became offended at the odd "abbreviated forms" people used as replacements for the &, I decided to look it up and found that that particular symbol was at that time traced back to pre-biblical Egyptian/Arabic glyphs.

As numerous things, such as the invention of the typewriter, the sewing machine, the helicopter, and recyclable paper - and the rise of the internet, have intervened since I learned to write one in script, it's quite likely that history also has changed and different origins may be found now.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 20 May 07 - 05:43 AM

Actually, Geoff, you'll find it's "hamper sand", so-called because it was derived from the use of sand kept in a small wicker receptacle, which was frequently misplaced. It was required when there was an unsightly blot, as a form of early blotting paper. Obviously when everyone tried to write this new-fangled shorthand thingy it was much in demand in the scriptorium. Hence the cry was frequently heard, in tones of urgency, " 'Ampersand! 'Ampersand!", which became attached to the symbol itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 20 May 07 - 05:25 PM

'When creating a new typeface, a designer can inject the most artistic flair into the ampersand character. The term ampersand, as Geoffrey Glaister writes in his "Glossary of the Book," is a corruption of and (&) per se and, which literally means "(the character) & by itself (is the word) and." The symbol & is derived from the ligature of ET or et, which is the Latin word for "and."'

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Bill D
Date: 20 May 07 - 06:10 PM

more from this page


Like many letters in our current alphabet, the ampersand probably began as a convenience. The Latin word et (meaning "and") was first written as two distinct letters, but over time the 'e' and 't' were combined into a ligature of sorts. Once the ampersand was accepted as a single character, artistry took over and a more flowing design evolved. Credit for the invention of the ampersand is usually given to Marcus Tiro, who included it in a shorthand writing system he devised in 63 B.C.

By the time Charlemagne's scribes developed the Carolingian minuscule in about 775 A.D., the "et" ligature had become a standard part of their repertoire. It remained so all the way until the invention of printing in the 15th century, when the ampersand was adopted, with enthusiasm, by the first typographers. For example, Francesco Colonna's Hypnerotomachia Poliphili, printed by Aldus Manutius in 1499, used twenty-five ampersands on a single page. Why such liberal use of the ampersand? Early printers wanted to keep their work in the tradition of hand-illuminated manuscripts. And, like us, they considered the ampersand a particularly beautiful character and enjoyed using it for its aesthetic merit.

The word "ampersand" is an alteration of the phrase "et, per se and" (that is: "et by itself [means] and"), which became corrupted to "and, per se and", and finally, ampersand.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 20 May 07 - 06:15 PM

"Marcus Tiro"

He didn't write the Ten Commandments?

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 May 07 - 07:12 PM

Manuscripts also had other 'shortcuts' - one of which has been corrupted into the "Ye" used in such phrases as "Ye Olde Sweete Shoppe" - which is a corruption of the extant language anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 May 07 - 07:22 PM

"Ye" evolved from the Thorn, an elaborate "T" that was no doubt done in by the printing press.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Recent SPAM attacks
From: Peace
Date: 21 May 07 - 12:04 AM

"Recognition of some words is naturally hindered by the presence of two special characters, þ, called "thorn," and ð, called "edh," which served in Old English to represent the sounds now spelled with th."


Note that there was never any distinction made between the two th sounds that English presently carries in that both were represented by either the ð or the þ. (One can feel the difference by putting the hand about a half inch from the mouth then saying the words thin and there.)