Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too
From: nutty
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 03:11 PM

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Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 02:14 PM

Hearsay is not evidence. Is there any independent report which confirms that story of another drowned horse? Media? Corraborative reports from other witnesses?

I've been told someone was killed at Hallaton Bottle Kicking some years ago. But as I have not seen any evidence for this, I don't assume it's fact.

I'm not trying to be obstinate, honest. I just think that judgements should be based on evidence rather than gossip.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 01:45 PM

Blowzabella, when I said "get over it" I was responding to this comment from you: "Personally, i am gutted, as you can probably tell by the number of posts I am making on this thread." And I didn't say you had ignored Greg's point about the meat industry, I said it had been dismissed lightly. I was not aiming that at you specifically, but your own response ("Oh for heavens sake ... drowning an animal is a different matter entirely") fits the description quite well.

You may not want the event banned, but that is the question you raised in the thread title, so I was entitled to express a view about that.

To answer your other question, yes, I've been to the fair, but not for many years. I used to be in the area regularly at one time. I have friends in Appleby, and relatives farmed on Shap Fell until recently.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: ShockedandAppalledinReading
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 01:02 PM

"Here you go, Ruth:

Another Appleby horse drowning."


Damn and I read, or at least I thought I'd read, that letter

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: ShockedandAppalledinReading
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:26 PM

"as someone has pointed out, the number of witnesses with modern devices such has digital cameras, mobile phones with cameras etc...makes this particular incident high profile"

the number of people with cameras etc made this particular incident high profile. It's unfortunate that there is no evidence either way, as to whether this was an isolated incident or whether it wasn't, and it's unlikely there ever will be conclusive evidence. As to who committed the offence,it doesn't matter cruelty is cruelty regardless, name calling and finger pointing is pointless.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Grimmy
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:21 PM

Here you go, Ruth:

Another Appleby horse drowning.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:10 PM

"I suspect that the incident at Appleby was not isolated, as someone has pointed out, the number of witnesses with modern devices such has digital cameras, mobile phones with cameras etc...makes this particular incident high profile"

...and the 20 - 30,000 visitors (as estimated elsewhere on this thread) who visit the fair each year would no doubt have similarly recorded any other instances of an animal being drowned in the past. If you have evidence to contradict the notion that this particular incident was a one-off, do please produce it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: ShockedandAppalledinReading
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 11:43 AM

I suspect that the incident at Appleby was not isolated, as someone has pointed out, the number of witnesses with modern devices such has digital cameras, mobile phones with cameras etc...makes this particular incident high profile, and while it should be investigated by the RSPCA, among others, nothing will come of it (at the risk of sounding cynical)The fair will not be cancelled, indeed it should not be because I'm sure it brings in, amongst other things, much need capital to the area. I have not attended this event myself and have had to, like many others, rely on media coverage, how balanced this coverage was in open to debate.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Blowzabella
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 09:52 AM

Sorry - garbled writing there cos I'm at work and shouldn't be here. First sentence of last para should say with a group of friends - all with horse drawn vehicles ....

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Blowzabella
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 09:47 AM

LTS said:
Could it be because racing is a Royalty-endorsed "sport" and the other involves a minority group?

The words 'storm', 'teacup', 'priorities' and 'equality' are floating through my head.

I'm sorry Liz but I think that is somewhat insulting.
You have to have been to Appleby Fair to appreciate the difference. Yes, it involves a minority group but it is probably because of the fact that it involves this group that it is such a treasured event - peopel appreciate that is something pretty special and want to share. If it was just several thousand random families who turned up, set up camp in a large field, completely took over a town, drank lots, and charged up and down the streets (making crossing the road a risky business), it would have been stopped long ago.

Appleby when the Fair is on is more like Tombstone, when The Cowboys rode into town. Lots of youths with a fair bit of dosh, going after the girls, whopping and shouting on horses up and down the streets. Its unique - it's amazing - it can be a bit dangerous.

But some of the young lads, in particular, are very hard on their animals. It is a macho thing. Ruining an animals health, through poor handling and trying to show how hard you are is a different thing to an accident on the racecourse - I am not pro-racing either, partly for this reason - but they are different scenarios.

I don't think any of the people who have commented on here have made comments which warranted your comments about Royalty vs minority and veiled suggestions of racism. It is making the same kind of assumptions that you are suggesting others are making.

For info, I spent part of Sunday evening, drinking with a group of travellers who had their vardos parked on the verge outside my local. They suggested the incident was being bealt with.

(My OH and I spent our wedding night with a group - all horse drawn vehicles, on grass near the same local. We jumped through their campfire and had our photograph taken cutting a sausage sarni and drinking bottles of Old Peculiar. We live on the route which many of the vans take, who are heading in a southerly direction. They generally come and camp in the same places every year and, for several weeks around here, the roads are full of vardoes and coloured ponies. I know several of the families personally and have done for years. So please don't suggest that my concerns are because they are a minority group, rather than, say, point to pointers. Believe me, I'd be far more critical of the point to pointers, if I saw them treating horses in the way I've seen horses (and dogs) treated at Appleby . But I also think that some of the youngsters, in particular, need to learn how to treat animals and not to use the culture difference as an excuse for overly rough handling, which results in damaged animals.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Grimmy
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 09:25 AM

The cause of death - yes, mercifully.

The incidence of death - no, regretably.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 08:45 AM

"However, I have never seen a horse drown due the pathetic macho posturing of some irresponsible dickhead."

...possibly because it was an isolated incident?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Grimmy
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:56 AM

Horses are a common hazard on all our country roads and need special attention.

I quite agree, Liz. The horse in question had been tied to a fence and allowed to graze on the grass verge. Its tether wasn't short enough to prevent it from encroaching onto the road, whereupon it was struck by the van.

One wonders what the owner was doing at the time - sleeping perhaps?

As you say, the A65 is some way from Appleby. Unfortunately this meant that drivers were less likely to be expecting to encounter horses in the middle of the road - especially at 4am.

I have witnessed animal deaths which happen in the name of so-called 'sport'. I condemn every one of them.

However, I have never seen a horse drown due the pathetic macho posturing of some irresponsible dickhead.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:39 AM

The horse racing deaths happen in front of thousands too, millions in the case of those on TV at Aintree/Cheltenham which are shown on TV.

There is no record of horses killed in training as far as I can see. Animal Wtch reckon the total of horses killed on courses are approx one third of those who die needlessly in total.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:38 AM

Funny how when a horse breaks a leg over Beechers Brook in the Grand National and has to be put down with thousands there watching it at Aintree, millions more watching it on national TV and in betting shops up and down the country, it doesn't get the same publicity as this incident did.

Could it be because racing is a Royalty-endorsed "sport" and the other involves a minority group?

The words 'storm', 'teacup', 'priorities' and 'equality' are floating through my head.

LTS

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Grimmy
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:32 AM

Ruth, Folkiedave,

Yes, I acknowledge that there have been far more deaths in the horse racing/eventing/hunting fraternities and I condemn them.

I just wanted to emphasise that the horse's death this year at Applebly was not an isolated event.

It happened in a very public place, witnessed by young kids and parents armed with digital cameras and, as such, received far more publicity than previous deaths and/or acts of cruelty.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:18 AM

I'm not sure you can count horse deaths on the A65 at Newby or in vehicular accidents as being caused by cruelty at Appleby Horse Fair, especially as the A65 doesn't appear to go anywhere near Appleby. The A66 does. But it doesn't go through or particularly near Newby..

Admittedly, the horses would not have been there if there was no fair, but the fault must surely lie with inattentive drivers, especially at 4.00am. Horses are a common hazard on all our country roads and need special attention.

LTS

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:08 AM

35 horses have died whilst horse racing so far this year. That is in England alone and since the National Hunt meeting at Cheltenham.

The link is here.

It does not count horses injured and killed in training.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 06:58 AM

Grimmy, I was quoting the police officer that was interviewed for the video news story linked near the top of this thread. He was the one who said it was one horse in the past 10 years.

If there have been more, I apologise and stand corrected; but I still suspect that the racing and eventing industries are responsible for a lot more horse deaths. Not to mention hunting.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Grimmy
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 06:33 AM

Ruth, I don't know the exact figure, but the number of horse deaths is much higher than you quote (though some do occur while travelling to/from the fair):

2006
Meanwhile, the RSPCA is investigating the death of a horse, which collapsed and died outside the Grapes public house in The Sands, Appleby, in the early hours of June 12 morning. It is believed the horse was abandoned after being run up and down Battlebarrow, a number of times, before collapsing after becoming exhausted.

On Tuesday (June 6) a horse, which was being ridden by a traveller, was killed after it ran out in front of a Land Rover Discovery driven by a 19-year-old woman from Ingleton at Devil's Bridge, near Kirkby Lonsdale.

2005
Police also believe that a horse killed by a van on the A65 at Newby, near Ingleton, belonged to a traveller.

The horse had been tied to a fence when it was struck by the van, which was written off following the accident, at 4am on Tuesday.

The RSCPA usually records up to five injured horses a day. However, two horses died at the event, one dying from blood poisoning caused by stress. The owners of both horses failed to come forward.

Source: The Westmorland Gazette

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 06:14 AM

"Lizzie interpret this as an attack on her.

She is wrong - it is what she posts that is the problem."

See, this is where the rub is for me. When Lizzie gets going, you have two choices: ignore her or challenge some of the often wildly erroneous assertions she makes.

I realise that the wise and circumspect choice is the former. But when she gets up on her high horse (pun completely intended) about a subject she knows nothing about, should everyone let her have her head just because to do otherwise might be interpreted (by her) as a personal attack? Maybe so. But when having her head includes making ill-informed phone calls to the RSPCA demanding an event be stopped, it's beyond mere loony ranting. It's potentially jeopardizing a centuries-old tradition.

Now, I've never been to Appleby Horse Fair. I'm interested to read the differing views of those who have been, and also keen to keep things in perspective (ie, one horse death in 10 years at the Fair as opposed to 30 in the same period at the Grand National). But before I started campaigning either to have it shut down or to keep it going, I'd want to make damn sure I had my facts straight. I might even - here's a crazy idea - want to go and see the event firsthand to ensure I knew what the hell I was on about and could make informed comment, and didn't instead end up making a complete arse of myself.

But maybe that's just me.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 04:57 AM

I thought she was more West London, than West Country Dave?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 04:51 AM

Dave, Greg, Ruth and I have (for the sake of those unable to keep up) been demonstrating that madlizzie hasn't a clue what she's talking about.

That is quite right.

Lizzie interpret this as an attack on her.

She is wrong - it is what she posts that is the problem.

Hence the fact that I chose to highlight the contradiction between what she posted about tradition when it was her "own" west country tradition of "wrecking" and what she posted about the Appleby Horse Fair.

A point she has deigned not answer yet.

Come on Lizzie - even in Canada it can still be possible to answer this.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Jun 07 - 05:10 PM

"as for the that grand old adage that Ms Cornish and I are the same person, that accusation was old and decrepit when Noah was a kid."

If "Reading" is not the same person as Lizzie, how come these two posts follow on from each other?

"From: Lizzie Cornish - PM
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:15 PM

And now....back to Appleby Horse Fair

The Appleby Fair Company(html link)"

"From: Lizzie Cornish - PM
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:18 PM

Dear ShockedandAppalled...that Horse Fairs link above is very interesting...Thanks for that one... :0) x"

Looks like Lizzie forgot to log in as her alternative personality before making the first post. Not the first time she's made up false identities, both here and on other boards, in order to back herself up. Persistently making up new identities is one of the things that got her banned from the BBC messageboard for life.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too
From: nutty
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 06:20 PM

You are all managing to make a nonsense of what was once a serious thread.

Go and play somewhere else - please

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: ShockedandAppalledinReading
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 03:02 PM

*LOL* it would appear people are only troll if they fail to agree with Miss Easby and the other horsemen of the apocalypse, inwhich case I am most proud to be a troll *LOL* dear, dear.....anyway

as for the that grand old adage that Ms Cornish and I are the same person, that accusation was old and decrepit when Noah was a kid.

"One must not say that such and such an institution or event should be shut down simply because of the actions of, in this case, one person"

actually that was simply an observation, not aimed at anyone in particular.

As for me going anywhere...as I said, there are one or two interesting threads here, musically, so.......

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 01:55 PM

Deuce?
You cannot be serious, Umpire Dick.
I've just seen off the Reading & Sidmouth trolls with a racket in either hand.
Balls to them.
And not new ones.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 01:22 PM

Deuce,new balls please.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 12:56 PM

Er...

>>>>And as long as no cruelty is involved it needs be left alone as a mark of respect to the travelling community.<<<

....but that's what I've been saying. If they stop dunking horses heads under the water and hand the bloke who behaved in such an appalling manner over, then fair enough. If they go out of their way to reassure the public that it will never happen again, then fair enough...but if they don't...well.....they should close it down.

Just to clarify, I never called anyone 'pikey' by the way. And how come YOU are allowed to refer to 'the travelling community' but if I dare to say 'the travellers' then I'm somehow being racist?

Hmmmmm...

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 12:37 PM

Anonymous pest of a Guest

If it involves ranting to see off a waste-of-space pseudo-West Country troll, I'll do it.
Again and again. Until she stops insulting and damaging my friends and dispensing her customary damaging drivel.
And the same applies to a sloganising, patronising, pompous git from Berkshire.
If different.

One must not say that such and such an institution or event should be shut down

I didn't. Nor did the OP.
madlizzie did, I think.
'Take the fair off them', or some such draconian, uninformed sanction.
I actually come from close to Appleby (not Pinner or Reading), and know this tradition.
And as long as no cruelty is involved it needs be left alone as a mark of respect to the travelling community.
Monitored, yes, by those specifically qualified to do so but is is highly, and offensively, insensitive to label the participants as 'pikeys' and try to tell them what to do.
Just as it is to steal from containers washed ashore while the rightful owners watch aghast on television.
Even if Richard Bridge thinks it's blue-sky thinking on recycling policy.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Blowzabella
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 05:53 PM

ShockedandAppalledinReading

No offense to you or any of the members intended, but I don't think this is the forum which will maintain an interest in the topic for as long as it would take for the RSPCA to follow up their enquiries. It is a busy place, which is primarily concerned with music - calendar traditions are a sort of secondary topic and incidents at them, whilst a valid topic (as you have seen) are probably of tertiary concern.

Stck around for the music etc - but not if you're looking t see this followed thorugh to a prosecution. I doubt it will happen.

The reason I posted here was because I knew that many of the UK members of the site would know of the event and have an opinion on it. That's all.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: ShockedandAppalledinReading
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 05:34 PM

and I shall stay a member of Mudcat...there are one or two interesting threads going on here...if the thread topic can be maintained...What the R.S.P.C.A does regarding Appleby will bear watching

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: ShockedandAppalledinReading
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 05:26 PM

I posted using this name as a guest and then signed upas a member of Mudcat....that should be easy to figure out...shouldn't it?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 04:31 PM

I think we are now dealing with that Mudcat tradition of a thread where one troll is posting under two separate names. Confusing, or what?I'm off

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: ShockedandAppalledinReading
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 03:27 PM

Liz...I only picked up on the fact that a human was injured at Appleby by reading almost the entire article, which was, of course, mainly about the horse...

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: ShockedandAppalledinReading
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 03:21 PM

for the past seven (counting this one) posts I've actually been logged in as a member
*LOL* as for the nickname, I apparently am not the only one who uses one..sooooo, on yer bike; and I stand by what I've said...

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 03:21 PM

What did I say earlier about there not being such a fuss if it were a human injured?

So now a human has been injured.. but it's still not making headlines is it.

Told you so.

LTS

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:39 PM

Methinks our anonymous pest of a Guest allegedly from Berkshire, doth protest too much. It ill becomes someone who has posted so much and so anonymously to decry the posts of someone who at least uses her own name.
G

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: ShockedandAppalledinReading
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:33 PM

I think , Ms Easby, you need to calm down yourself..ranting is a word that come immediately to mind when reading your missives, which I have spent sometime doing. You rant, but you offer no solutions. I do believe you love the sound of your own voice.
And Now Back To The Thread At Hand.
Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?

One must not say that such and such an institution or event should be shut down simply because of the actions of, in this case, one person. Too many times, and we see it time and again, the actions of the few spoil things for the many. This, The Appleby Horse Fair, will continue, though I suspect under pressure from those who would see this tradition ended, much the same, as I noted earlier, as those on the local council would see The Brigg Fair end. Where does it stop?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:18 PM

Dear ShockedandAppalled...that Horse Fairs link above is very interesting...Thanks for that one... :0) x

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:15 PM

And now....back to Appleby Horse Fair

The Appleby Fair Company

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:09 PM

Dave, Greg, Ruth and I have (for the sake of those unable to keep up) been demonstrating that madlizzie hasn't a clue what she's talking about.
This is not exactly hard, but the graphic example of her tenuous grasp of the West Country wrecking 'tradition' (which she claimed as being in her blood before zooming off course into Spain) clinches it.
Now she's branching off into poodle washing.
The OP wanted to discuss one specific incident at Appleby.
It's a custom of legitimate community concern.
Uninformed whingeing at the RSPCA and plugging of strange daubings are not.
What Shocked & Appalled doesn't yet realise is that this is what madlizzie (when not in Cyber-Canada) does ALL THE TIME,
S/he soon will.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:05 PM

neither, Ms Easby nor Ms Cornish's latest missives have anything to do with the theme..wanna slag one another, do it somewhere else, please


Quite....

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:04 PM

Patronising? ..Not at all....merely truthful.

However your words are some of the most patronising I've ever read.

Have I ever slept under a flyover?

Nope...but I grew up under the constant threat of having our rented house taken away from us. As I got older I watched my father worry more and more as the remaining rented houses on the estate, were bought up by a greedy Estate Agent, who tried to increase the rents vastly, in order to get everyone out and sell the properties on.

I saw my father's tears as he ran out of money to pay the bills sometimes. His children helped him out. I watched him worry the latter part of his life away, because he lived with the thought that his home would be taken away from him, a home that he loved dearly and where he lived for nearly 30 years. Eventually he moved down to Devon with us and we cared for him for the remainder of his days.

You obviously only know rich and wealthy people in Pinner Diane, as that is the world you probably choose to inhabit, there was a very different part of Pinner too that you and your 'pseudo-fashionably middle-class boho' pals obviously haven't a clue about.

So take your patronising words and shove 'em where the sun don't shine.

Oh and what beach? There is no beach in that picture. It's all sea. Obviously your sight is dimming, along with your mind these days....for Branscombe beach is barely even visible from Sidmouth, where the painting is based.

Have I ever led a persecuted life? Only since unfortunately coming into contact with you and your mates, who take great pleasure in belittling, twisting, spinning, ostracising and quite frankly behaving like some of the very worst kind of abusive racists.

Have a nice evening

And now...back to Appleby Horse Fair...

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: ShockedandAppalledinReading
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 01:53 PM

Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?

neither, Ms Easby nor Ms Cornish's latest missives have anything to do with the theme..wanna slag one another, do it somewhere else, please

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too
From: nutty
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 01:52 PM

I would say that at this point the thread has drifted so far as to be shipwrecked.

If you can't stay on subject, then start another thread

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 01:42 PM

The shipwreck of The Napoli just off Sidmouth on the Jurssic (sic) World Heritage Coast of East Devon

Looks wildly out of perspective. Wonder where 'Nonny Isabella' gets that from? And the beach looks remarkably clear. I see the 'recyclers' had already cleaned up.

Spanish 'gypsy' stock? My, how patronisingly, inappropriately yet pseudo-fashionably middle-class boho. Has the former resident of cosy Pinner any idea what it's like to live a persecuted life under a flyover, hemmed in by railway lines and scrapyards?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too
From: Folkiedave
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 01:24 PM

Of course it does Richard - once the owners agree to do it. Anything else would result in chaos as I am sure you can understand.

Now can you see the owners (insurers) being allowed to say - come one and all and help yourself, recycle the stuff that is on the beach? Do you think the local authority on behalf of the residents might not have something to say?

Shocked and Appalled

I am delighted you read everything. However that is not sufficient - you need to be able to understand it too. When you wrote your first post - you clearly didn't understand the references which I had made to Lizzie and her abode.

After two days of constant rain and an afternoon of dryness - just as   I am about to depart for a long weekend a thunderstorm breaks out.

Damn........

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 01:21 PM

>>>Though were madlizzie to kick off against Travellers en masse (and not just at Appleby where, I'm prepared to hazard a guess, she's never been), may she come under equally stringent criticism for socially divisive and inaccurate shit-stirring. <<<

I'm from Spanish gypsy stock, so hardly Diane....you'll have to think of something else to try and stick on me, other than the racist slur you and your mates have been angling towards the last few days....

And the only 'shit' I'm interested in is that I don't truly give a 'shit' about you or your mates or you're twisted words any longer.

And as people seem to be talking about The Napoli, for some slightly insane reason, I thought you may like to see her..

The Wreck of The Napoli

It's painted by a local artist. My daughter.

Oh and Ruth..in the 52 years I've had animals, I have never held my dogs heads under water when washing/bathing them. I have always washed their faces and heads gently with a flannel. I'd recommend you try it from now on, instead of possibly causing panic and distress to your dogs.

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Appleby Horse Fair: A Tradition Too Far?
From: ShockedandAppalledinReading
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 12:54 PM

The local council are trying to stop the Brigg Horse Fair from taking place by blocking off possible venues.

Brigg Life