BS: Has anyone noticed....UK

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 12:11 PM

Northman, your post implies that if you're "scared of immigrants working in your local cafe", the acceptable political stance to take is to vote for whatever party will get rid of them for you.

Well, I don't think that's an acceptable response, because I don't think being anti-immigration is a particularly acceptable political position. So the parties who would get rid of them are reactionary fascist tossers - as are the people who suggest that voting for them is a reasonable response.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Mr Happy
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 07:45 AM

More on migrant workers to Poland!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6922538.stm

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Northman
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 07:28 AM

Vote for whoever you think will push things in the direction you would like to see them go. What does party affiliation matter?

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Brakn
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 07:22 AM

Eric re "Patrick Furey" or "Farewell to the Town of Galway" have PMed you back.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 06:12 AM

" So let me just say the best thing to do if you are scared of immigrants working in your local cafe is vote."

For who - the BNP?

Tosser.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Mr Happy
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 05:16 AM

'HOWEVER, the second best thing to do is move to their country which probably does not have many immigrants. Then you can easily find a job in one of their cafes and several times a day you can shout "touche" at the locals to teach them a lesson.'



An item on BBC News 24 yesterday mentioned this very thing may be already happening.

A Polish MP was talking about the influx of Chinese migrant workers into Poland & commented that they & others were welcome because of the draining away of lots of young Poles to work abroad.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: autolycus
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 05:03 AM

thanks 'Giok', nice warning, thanks. I like my way of dealing with them, tho', so I'm ready either way

LOL, Eric.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Northman
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 09:22 PM

Sorry to get off track with my previous guest post. I am new to Mudcat and did know I could message someone privately.

Interesting thread. Here in the US immigration is a huge issue right now and a huge bill just did NOT go through so . . . you guessed it - status quo.

Immigration has a lot of facets as many people have already pointed out in some great posts. So let me just say the best thing to do if you are scared of immigrants working in your local cafe is vote.

HOWEVER, the second best thing to do is move to their country which probably does not have many immigrants. Then you can easily find a job in one of their cafes and several times a day you can shout "touche" at the locals to teach them a lesson.

Eric

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 09:07 PM

How about them Mets?

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 08:26 PM

Anyone noticed that the price of frog legs has gone through the roof lately?

Subject: On a different note. . .
From: GUEST,Eric Olsen
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 08:22 PM

Dear Mick,

Many years ago you replied to a post about the song "Patrick Furey" or "Farewell to the Town of Galway". I had previously picked up the melody and two verses from some old compilation but in your post you supplied a third verse.

I have looked all over the internet for background on the song or recordings of the song and have come up with. How did you come up with the entire song?

I wonder why this song is not a little more popular. It may not be the greatest song ever written but the melody and chorus are nice.

Cheers,

Eric

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 06:20 PM

Yes, I've noticed there are more Poles around these parts these days. Great.

And it's not just young people over to work for a year or so - just had a young couple with a toddler move in to live a couple of doors away. Even better.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 04:46 PM

Don't allow yourself to be drawn in Ivor, our 'Guest' isn't as innocent as she seems.
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: autolycus
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 04:39 PM

British national Party - a far right group in UK.



Perhaps you say more about why you think this thread is good for them.

James, who sounded like he came from that neck of politics seems to have disparu.






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,Annabel
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 03:27 PM

BNP?

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 11:46 AM

Has anyone noticed that the word "Polish" (as in pertaining to people from Poland) and the word "polish" (as in polishing your shoes or your car) are spelt the same way?

The Poles shine! As such, they should be of benefit to any society.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,Annabel
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 08:32 AM

This is one of the most entertaining threads i've read in ages. How long will it be before it's removed I wonder?

Anna

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: goatfell
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 06:48 AM

this is great thread if you are a member of the BNP and their pals don't you think.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Mr Happy
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 05:12 AM

What did the Polish astro-physicist say to the Polish chemical engineer?

"You want fries with that?"

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,bouncer
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 10:23 AM

i can say from personal experience that the polish and most eu countries workers are hard working with the exception of a few.
yes they will work all the hours they can thats because we brits wont do it.
my partner is polish and she has a degree in bio-technology (DNA stuff)
she came over to work in a factory to save up to move from a degree to get her masters in her choosen subject.
the only reason they come to work over here is they get paid more the wages over there are shocking.
they will do the work the spongers (dole) wont do so the spongers should go over to poland and try doing a months work over there and seeing if they can live on what a monthly wage would be over there...
i goto poland as often as i can as it is a beautiful country and everyone there is polite and try and help as i can only say a bit in polish like ordering a pint and getting a packet of cigs.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,Juim Carroll
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 04:16 AM

Right
Now we've established that 'they' are useful for cheap labour, they don't like animals, they can't be trusted, they take our jobs, they can't speak English, their women are only good for shagging...... etc. etc. - when do we invade Poland?
It's comforting to know that the KKK is still around to defend our WASPishness
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: autolycus
Date: 28 Jul 07 - 06:16 AM

unless GUEST James has a plan to invade England, cleverly from the inside.

   Ahhhhhhhh, so THAT's why he is presently absent. Oddly, my heart's not geting fonder. Whatever.





      Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,GEUST
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 07:11 PM

look on the bright side GuestJames..


..at least the recent influx of industrious Polish workers



will save you and you neo-nazi BNP chums


all the fuss and expense


of invading Poland



just to exploit the profits of their labour...................

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: autolycus
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 07:00 PM

Oh,Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam m m m m m m es !!

   Jaaaaaaaaaam m m m m m m m m m mes,where aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrre you?

   U-who, we over here.



   nothing.

             Pole-axed?






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Brakn
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 02:58 PM

Greg, if they weren't Poles or they weren't colured and they wernt sure sure of their spellin.........they probably were Irish.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 02:03 PM

He may have heard it from James... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: greg stephens
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 01:44 PM

Apparently these Poles have been pissing in the water bowsers in Gloucstershire, because they don't understand how to use the toilets in the houses they are given free by the council. I know this for a fact, this bloke in a pub told me he'd heard it in another pub.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 10:50 AM

Nice one Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,Blindlemonsteve
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 09:54 AM

I dont know if anyone knows this, but the Polish squadrons shot down more enemy aircraft than any other squadron of the RAF.
This is what the E.U is all about, getting people on the move and integrating, killing off stupid old values and building new stronger ones together, we are all citizens of the E.U, go out there and live where you like, but be prepared to do a crap job and learn a new language, once you have done so you will start to gain a life better than you could have ever imagined, I am British, i have been living in Valencia Spain for 3 years, some of it has been crap, but i can speak Spanish in a very broken way, my children are fluent Spanish speakers, and i cook a mean Paella, i havent learnt the finer art of Flamenco, and i doubt if i ever will. But i am running my own company with a Spanish friend, and next month we are travelling to China and Indonesia to close business deals, i would never have done that if i had stayed in my safe 9 to 5 job in England.. life is an adventure, get out there and live it, good luck to all the poles in the U.K, i hope my country make you feel like Spain has made me feel.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 09:08 AM

Mark Addison, of Boston, Lincolnshire, has written a beautiful set of words in tribute to the Polish airmen of RAF 300 (Polish) Squadron who flew from Faldingworth Airfield, Lincolnshire, in WW2. They suffered dreadful losses, but fought with the highest courage alongside the British airmen. Their bravery was legend throughout the armed forces during the war.

In September, 2007, a memorial to these brave men will be dedicated in a service at Faldingworth church and later at the old airfield. The memorial is made of pieces of concrete from the wartime runway, and the remains of shot-down Polish-crewed Lancasters which have been recovered from France.

The song is titled 'For Those Who Will Not Know Me', and tells the story of how the men of 300 Squadron fought through Europe, came to Lincolnshire, and gave their lives in our defence. I will be singing Mark's words, with my own tune, to open the church service - it will be a proud moment for me, and it's one I await eagerly.

The people of Britain, as well as the rest of the world, have a lot to thank those Poles for. IMHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Grab
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 08:07 AM

How many of you live in a rural area where jobs are thin on the ground?

If there's no jobs, go somewhere where there are. If your house is tying you down, sell it - there's no way on God's green earth that you're going to be in negative equity.

How many of you have teenage kids looking for jobs?

If your teenage kids have qualifications and skills, they'll be OK. In other words, if you valued their education and ensured they kept at it, they'll be OK. If they never did a stroke of work at school, they're in the crapper, and that's regardless of immigrants.

What about all the kids coming out of college, and students looking for holiday jobs, they can't get any because the vacancies are full.

If they're prepared to do the same work as the migrants, they can get the same jobs. Who said anyone had a right to a well-paid holiday job?

Who are we fightened of when we walk down our streets?

As far as I can tell from the Mail/Mirror/Express and its readers, people should be frightened of white, British-born kids (under 18). Me, I'm not frightened to walk down the street, but I do use increased awareness at night, mainly to avoid aggressive drunks but also to ensure potential muggers can't easily blindside me. Most aggressive drunks and muggers are white (at least most of the places I live), of British origin and somewhere between 18 and 30 in age. One thing everyone should have noticed is that aggressive drunk immigrants are a vanishingly rare breed.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 07:54 AM

This site lists the Polish air force squadrons who flew out of Scotland in the second world war, they were renowned for their bravery.
The second world war wasn't won just by pipe smoking English pilot officers with silk scarves, and spaniels, or even late arriving Americans [joke], and the Poles played a very important part in the outcome.
The other thing they still talk about in some places where they were based was, as Ruth pointed out, their style, the way they were so smart, very neatly dressed, and they wore cologne too. I mean cologne wearing by men in those days was regarded as effeminate, but the local ladies loved it, and them. Many Poles married local girls, and there are still many consonant heavy surnames around Scotland today.
So I for one am grateful to these men, and welcome their countrymen and women, we owe them, and I think a debt is being repaid by welcoming these hard working kids.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: JennyO
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 07:36 AM

That sounds very positive to me, Ruth. Good post!

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 07:12 AM

"what is never brought to light is the fact that our "native" unemployed don't want the bloody jobs in the first place."

Too true. When I first arrived in London, the pubs in the West End were completely staffed by Yugoslavs. It was just as the civil war was about to kick off, and they'd got out in time. There was no minimum wage at the time, and who could afford to live in London on £2.50 an hour? English people knew they were better off on the dole. So it was Yugoslavs and a smattering of Kiwis pulling pints for the theatre crowd.

I live in rural Lincolnshire. What English kid wants to get his iPod dirty pulling carrots or mucking out a pig shed? That's why the farmer up the road has hired a few Polish lads as pigmen. You should see them when they come down to the village pub - you can pick them out as the're about a foot and a half taller than the local blokes, gorgeous, and instead of wearing scruffy jeans and t-shirts, they're immaculately dressed in trousers, collared shirts and jackets. That's what it's like where they come from if you go for a night out, and it's the standard they maintain here - even just for a drink down the local. And even if you muck out pigs for a living.

Another rural phenomenon is the dining pub. One very upmarket dining pub I know has been using an eastern European catering agency to source its staff for years. See, if you're offering food at a certain level, you've got to be able to offer the standard of service that goes along with it. Well, a local kid in an English village doesn't want to learn catering as a profession, because in the UK the service industry is piss poor and not considered a real career. They're usually filling in time in the summer holidays, or until they get a "proper" job. So you can't get the standard of staff you need, because they don't even want to be trained. But in Europe, good waiting staff can make a really good living, so people train to do it. The owner of this particular place brings them over for a year, and it's part of their overall catering training. They live in specially-built accomodation in a beautiful part of Rutland, and they improve their skills and their English, while having an opportunity to see England. It's a win-win.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: JennyO
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 06:30 AM

LOL, Ivor ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 06:22 AM

James - Is that like Jim, but not as we know it?

Whatever. Stop taking bollocks. The real unemployment and hardship is not and never has been in rural areas. If you think so try living in Salford or Hulme or Moss Side for a few weeks. Interestingly enough in those areas Immigrant workers have always been welcome. First the Irish, then West Indians, then Asians and now East Europeans. All still living in relative harmony. If you ignore the drug related gun crime of course...

And before you ask - I have lived in both urban and rural areas as well as having lived in England and Europe. I think that the world in which I live is real enough for anyone.

Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 05:48 AM

Some of us don't scapegoat the hard working migrant worker, and we do live in the real world thanks.
It's you James who live in an unreal world.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: autolycus
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 05:47 AM

Who closed down the mine and the car industries?

I'll tell tou who. The bloody Poles,that's who.

And I hate vacancies being full. That's not what vacancies are for, for cripes' sake.

or was it the Somalians?

And who relocated the call centres to India?

I'll tell you who. The Italians, who came here in a wave of pizza and washing-up liquid.

And who wiped out the British film Industry?

And what about British Agriculture/ When did you last eat a true British pineapple? I'll tell you who . The govmenen, - giverminenetnetn - the ruling load.

And what about those deeply patriotic True Brits ekeing out a living in Monaco or the Cayman Islands.

or is that the Inderman Islands?

That's where your patriotic Brits. live. Abroad. Obviously.

The Poles should do what we do and stay at home. (Shurely shome mishtake? Ed.)

Or our True Brit criminals running away to Spain so as not to live the life of Riley in one of our 5-star prisons.

I blame my parents who told me I was stupid from the word- um - go.

And, do you know what - I went and believed them.

Where DO I get all my ideas from?

Books? I should coco.

"Whereof we know nothing, we should not speak." Wittgenstein. (Bloody Pole. Probably.)






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,James
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 05:13 AM

How many of you live in a rural area where jobs are thin on the ground?
How many of you have teenage kids looking for jobs?
How many of you have very little money?
How many of you are looking for work?

I'm beginning to think you guy who have posted here are very comfortable, thank you, and don't know what's going on in the real world.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,James
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 04:49 AM

This country will be full of brains and worker bees whilst those in between who can't or won't will be encouraged to move out. Britain is building, but not as we know it.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,James
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 04:36 AM

What about all the kids coming out of college, and students looking for holiday jobs, they can't get any because the vacancies are full.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: JennyO
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 04:35 AM

I haven't liked where "James" is coming from, right from the beginning.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 04:21 AM

James I can't make my mind up whether you're a racist or a jingoistic chauvinist, but either way I don't like where you're coming from.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,James
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 04:11 AM

So this country will survive? Call centers (who enjoys phoning them?) could be here, but they're overseas. Do we still mine our own coal? Who makes our cars? Clothes are made in China. Do we manufacture anything ourselves. Who are we fightened of when we walk down our streets?

Yeah ok, the Polish don't appear to aggressive, yet, but once they have been livng here for a while and become frustrated... One of the first things 2,500 of them did when getting to a fruit farm in Leominster was to go on strike!

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Brakn
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 06:56 PM

Gin Dobre.

They're not going to fit in here............because from what I've seen they've got manners, work hard, don't try and mug you, don't throw their pizza boxes in my garden and I don't see them being sick outside the pub every night. Also, where did they learn the English language - fancy coming over here and being able to speak better than what I does!

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 06:46 PM

"they are still doing the jobs that our unemployed could be doing tho."

An old, tired, argument which has been done to death by the Alf Garnets of this country every time there has been a first time influx of foreign nationals previously unknown. It happened with Jewish and German refugees in the late 30s, West Indians in the 50s, Ugandan and other Asians in the 60s.......and on.....and on.

What is never brought to light is the fact that our "native" unemployed don't want the bloody jobs in the first place.

The current crop of hoody and trainers layabouts want to come to work two or three days a week, and are willing, in an eight hour shift to actually work up to maybe an hour and a half, for which they would insist on 40 hours pay at £5.28ph.

It's hard to see how we can blame the people that take up the slack, and actually put in the hard graft, for the fact that there are vacancies they can fill.

One thing is for certain. Exactly as in the past, it will all even out, and the country WILL survive.

For my money, all the aforementioned groups (and a lot of others besides) have proved a blessing and an asset to this country.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 06:33 PM

Call me anti-racist if you want.

Ivor, you are anti-racist.

Gosh , that feels good.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,james
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 06:05 PM

they are still doing the jobs that our unemployed could be doing tho.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Penny S.
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 05:05 PM

That somebody, here, is exploiting these people. That they are as likely to be victims as people to be reviled and spoken about as they have been above.

I would have thought that people here could have worked that out for themselves.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: autolycus
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 05:03 PM

I "blame" all those brilliant british employers taking on immigrants, giving them jobs.

   What aRE THR bRITish employers up to ? What kind of patriots are they?

Call me anti-racist if you want.

   And what is it with the British expats abroad? I saw on tv one couple who had lived on a Spanish costa for 30 years (count them). They were asked how much Spanish they'd learnt in 30 years.

the husband replied, "Two sentences. 'Two pints of lager, please' and 'She's paying.' "


The Poles where I work are learning English, and they all smile.

i think when a Brit. says the Poles don't learn English, maybe they mean, "If I moved abroad, I wouldn't learn the host language", like the aforementioned couple.

call me anti-racist if you like.





       Ivor