BS: Select a Presidential Candidate

Subject: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: BK Lick
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 09:00 PM

Select a Candidate Quiz

"Answer the 11 questions below to find out which candidates are most aligned with your views and opinions. You may skip questions if you do not want them factored into the results. This quiz is not meant to pick your candidate for you. It is designed to inform the public of the various stances candidates make."

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: mg
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 09:08 PM

Biden. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 09:15 PM

Now that's very interesting! My highest candidates are almost neck and neck in the high 50s, comprising Chris Dodd, Dennis Kuchinich and Edwards. Clinton and Obama are equal at 54. No wonder I have problems.

My least desired candidates are Giuliani, Romney and Ron Paul, descending downward until it fetches up at 5 - for Fred Thompson!

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 09:33 PM

Interesting...I had Richardson with a 'slight' lead, Clinton, Edwards & Obama tied right behind, and Biden a VERY close 4th......I AM a Democrat I see. (And all the Repub candidates WAY down the list. Brownback off the bottom of the scale.)

As a matter of fact, That's almost the way I'd rank them, with the exception of Richardson....who I don't think is up to the job, whether he agrees with me or not.

So far, I could live with any of the top 3-4 Democrats. It is very hard to say which one I think I trust most to DO a good job.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 09:33 PM

Kucinich scored best for me, followed fairly closely by Richardson and Gravel. Figures.... ;-)

The Republicans were all so low on the scale that they were somewhere beneath the third ring of hell. Heh! Clinton and Obama were sort of in the fuzzy middle area, as I would have expected. The fuzzy middle area is a fairly good place to be if you want to get elected...assuming that the votes are counted honestly...

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 09:49 PM

Kuèiniæ, Score: 58. The questions were kind of shit, though: "Illegal immigration" didn't have an option for "Open the borders and breed whitey out," unfortunately. And the Iraq question didn't have a "We should lose" option. So I didn't get to click my actual choices. :P

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 09:59 PM

Yeah, I felt the same way about the questions, Lepus. They reveal a certain kind of peculiar mindset. You wonder who thinks them up...

Imagine posing a similar set of questions for the German public in 1942, regarding the thorny matter of just exactly what to do with occupied Poland, Holland, and France (etc)...whether to start bringing the boys home or instead hanging in for the long haul...keeping in mind the Reich's weighty moral responsibilities and its duty to uphold its committments to its own people and of course, to the rest of the world as well. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 12:29 AM

Looks like I support a Kucinich/Edwards ticket. Not a bad idea.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 01:21 AM

Kucinich was tops for me with 60 point, with Dodd in at 55. The latter surprises me. I voted for him when I lived in CT, but don't like some of the choices he's made since then. Obama, Clinton, and Edwards all tied at 50, then Gravel and the rest were way

                                                 down

                                                                  low.

I would have preferred some different wording, too, but they do them that way on purpose.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 01:57 AM

I could go for a Kucinich/Edwards ticket, Amos.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 08:37 AM

Kucinich - Except I disagreed with him on immigration which I marked as the most important issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Alice
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 09:41 AM

I've posted this link in other threads, but here it is again,
as it is a good selector site.

http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008.html

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 09:48 AM

Dennis "the Menace" Kucinich...

Smart guy...

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 10:02 AM

Alice, your link is much better than the first link, since it allows "none", "all" etc. and doesn't seem to lock the person taking the poll into a straitjacket of the poll-designer's choosing.

Al Gore, followed by Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 10:14 AM

Kucinich on both for me. No big surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 12:14 PM

Chris Dodd, followed by Kucinich for me, Obama and Clinton tied in the middle of the field, Tancredo and Thompson tied at the end.

We had before our last election a similar "Who you should vote for if you tell us what you think" game. Winner for me was a party I would never and did not vote for.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 12:36 PM

Ranging from 81% upward: Kucinich, Obama and Dodd, with Clinton, Gore and Edwards just below

From 34% downward, McCain, Giuliani, Romney and Thompson

I saw a bumper sticker that read: Obama 08

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Peace
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 12:44 PM

Dodd, Kucinich

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 01:21 PM

Kucinich, followed by Dodd.

Surprise, surprise! (But not exactly.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 02:21 PM

Me, too, Don.:-)

Ebbie, my fav. bumper sticker seen, so far, said Cheney/Satan 08!

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 02:46 PM

Alice, that test you posted the link too is far, far better than the one this thread is based on. The questions are much better posed, with much better choices in how to answer. It's a test that does not force the respondent to be shoehorned into giving answers which don't represent what he really wants.

I did it, and the result was quite interesting! Barack Obama scored highest for me, with 87%. That surprised me. Dennis Kucinich again was very high, with 85%. That did not surprise me.

Next came Dodd, 77%, then Hillary, Biden and Edwards in the lower 70's...

Giuliani scored 25% for me. Heh! A little bit better than I expected...

Here's the link again...for the rest of you.

http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008.html

That's an intelligent, well thought out test, Alice. Everybody in the USA ought to take it and give the results some careful thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 03:00 PM

By the way, one of the problems with the first test is that the questions are crafted in such a way as to polarize people into opposite extremes about something when they answer. That's not smart.

The 2nd test offers a much more reasonable way of answering, and that tends to avoid polarizing people into extremes which they don't necessarily endorse.

It isn't always just "Hell, yes!" or "Over my dead body!"

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 03:17 PM

One presents what one has, Little Hawk. :)

People who rate various surveys/questionaires - and very well too - should design and present their own. So we can rate them. *G*

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 03:27 PM

Interesting poll, Little Hawk. I tried it. It came out pretty much the same for me.

1. Dennis Kucinch
2. Barack Obama
3. Christopher Dodd
4. Joseph Biden
5. Hillary Clinton

But—I'm gonna take a closer look at a couple of people I haven't heard all that much about (Dodd, Biden).

Ballots are a bit like--   Well, say there's only one restaurant in town. You look over the menu, and there really isn't much there that appeals. So if you're going to eat at all, you have to pick something that won't (you hope) make you gag.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 03:45 PM

Oh, for sure, Ebbie. ;-) I was not criticizing you in any way, just trying to draw more people's attention to the 2nd questionairre.

Yeah, Don, that's exactly what a ballot is like. I don't think of elections as much of a representation of the people's will...I think of them as a representation of the power structure's formalized way of maintaining itself by getting the people to rubber stamp it at regular intervals. (sigh) Still, one must make the best choices one can from the menu, as you say.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: PoppaGator
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 03:47 PM

My results showed all Democrats between 39 and 29 and all Republicans between 15 and 1. So far, not a surprise.

What did surprise me was that I had the two "mainstream" front-runner Dems first (Hillary at 39, Obama at 38) and Biden last among the Dems (29). I'd like to think of myself as less middle-of-the-road than that, and I like Joe Biden. John Edwards (tied for fifth at 33) is probably my first choice among those with a reasonably good chance of actually capturing the nomination.

I was also surprised that Rudy G, who I regard as a lying snake, came in as my fave among the Republicans (at 15) and John McCain, who I admire despite disagreeing with him on various issues, was next-to-last at 6.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 03:51 PM

Dennis is my #1 in both surveys. No surprise there. That seems to be the case with most posts on this thread. Are we a bunch of radical left-wingers or could Mr. Kucinich possibly be more electible than the media makes him out to be?
    Someone named Duncan Hunter is last on both surveys. Who the hell is Duncan Hunter? Some kind of fascist?

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Cruiser
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 04:04 PM

Using the better site Alice linked:

1)        Al Gore (61%)
2)        John Edwards (60%); for whom I said I want as President
3)        Mitt Romney (43%); the only Republican for whom I could vote.

Lifelong Republican and an atheist who just wants a Decent, Ethical, and Honest President.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 04:18 PM

Yes, Neil, I think Kucinich is much more electable than he is being portrayed. The media simply wrote him off last time, and they're doing it again.

(Mutter mutter snarl!!)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 04:37 PM

Then second test gave me Alan Augustson!

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 04:45 PM

I repeat what I have said before....there is HUGE difference between having goals and principles you agree with a candidate about, and having any sense that he/she would do a decent job of achieving those goals.

I want the troops out of Iraq and home, but Kucinich seems to say he'd just 'pull 'em out' as fast as he could load ships & planes, and that, most experts say, would NOT work...

Kucinich is like Ralph Nader...great principles, but little practical notion of how to get there reasonably.

It's all a moot point, though, as he will never BE nominated, much less elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Peace
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 04:58 PM

The withdrawal of troops in what is still a combat zone MUST be accomplished with the safety of the troops in mind. I don't think the USA needs another Saigon Embassy scene.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: BK Lick
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 05:07 PM

Hmmm...the second site returned some different results for me. F'rinstance, Ol' Motormouth goes from 8th to 3rd of the running candidates, while Dodd goes from 2nd to 5th, and Gravel goes from 3rd to 8th. It's confusin' but amusin' ain't it?

From first site:
1 Dennis Kucinich         68
2 Chris Dodd                 66
3 Mike Gravel         61
4 Barack Obama         59
5 Hillary Clinton         59
6 Bill Richardson         49
7 John Edwards         47
8 Joe Biden                 45
9 Ron Paul                 35
10 Rudy Giuliani         33
11 Mitt Romney                 19
12 Sam Brownback         12
13 John McCain                 12
14 Jim Gilmore                 12
15 Duncan Hunter         5

From second site:
1. Dennis Kucinich   (81%)
2. Barack Obama   (80%)
3. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended)   (77%)
4. Joseph Biden   (74%)
5. Hillary Clinton   (72%)
6. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton)   (70%)
7. Al Gore (not announced)   (69%)
8. Christopher Dodd   (68%)
9. John Edwards   (67%)
10. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run)   (65%)
11. Bill Richardson   (59%)
12. Mike Gravel   (55%)
13. Elaine Brown   (42%)
14. Ron Paul   (42%)
15. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended)   (37%)
16. Mike Huckabee   (30%)
17. Rudolph Giuliani   (30%)
18. John McCain   (27%)
19. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn)   (23%)
20. Mitt Romney   (20%)
21. Alan Keyes   (18%)
22. Chuck Hagel (not running)   (15%)
23 Fred Thompson   (13%)
24. Sam Brownback   (12%)
25. Tom Tancredo   (11%)
26. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run)   (10%)
27. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn)   (10%)
28. Duncan Hunter   (7%)

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 05:40 PM

Can anybody watch Mike Huckabee on television without thinking of Gomer Pyle?

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 05:49 PM

I'm puttin' my money on Duncan Hunter, eh? When the odds in a flippin' horserace are THAT long, think about the FLIPPIN' PAYOFF if he won!!!! I could retire on that.

- Shane

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 08:11 PM

I got Kuci first, and Obama one above Clinton but both pretty far down on the list... I was surprised that the one I *thought* I agreed with, Edwards, was I think 3rd or 4th. My moveon.org friends are behind Kucinich, though, maybe I'll listen a little harder...

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: RangerSteve
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 09:11 PM

I learned nothing. I dissagreed with Biden on five items, and it got worse after that. It looks like another year where I won't vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 10:52 PM

Although I do think an issues-orientation is important, it's not, for me, the MOST important factor in selecting who to support.

I am not sure I would vote for the people in this list who agreed with me; I want a candidate that will be truthful and have the guts to disagree with me and tell me what I missed that may have left me under-informed, and then work with me to reach a consensus for short-term action while long-term understanding develops. ("me" as in "people like me," whoever THAT is)

But then, I'm Anglican.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 11:09 PM

Agreed, Susan, it's definitely not the only important factor in terms of who to vote for. It is the single most important factor? Perhaps. Depends on the situation, I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Neil D
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 12:52 AM

I also noticed that Edwards was further down than I thought he would be. I figured him for 2nd and 1st among the Dem frontrunners and he fell below Hillary and Baraka in both polls. He must be aa astute campaigner to make us think we are closer to him on issues than we really are.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 04:28 AM

My second test had Obama on the top.

My problem with these tests is that there are some issues where I hope a candidate I favour does not openly support the position I favour (deep in my heart), for I know that this position would make her unelectable for the majority of voters....

So who's Clinton going to nominate as vice president candidate? Edwards or Obama. My bet is on Edwards but my heart's for Obama.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 07:46 AM

Second site gave me Obama first 86%, Kucinich at 80%, and Clinton down at 69%

Why do people (both supporters and opponents) keep on referring to her as "Hillary" when all the others are referred to by their surnames?

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 12:10 PM

I have noticed that too, McGrath. I guess it helps keep her in her place. :)

Actually I think it might be an attempt to differentiate her immediately from Bill C.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 12:35 PM

I suppose that last could be one reason - like "Dubya" for Bush the Younger.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 01:21 PM

I call her Hillary because I like her, McGrath (on a personal level, I mean...maybe not as much on a political level). And it distinguishes her from her famous husband.

Hey, Wolfgang...you and I appear to agree 100% when it comes to answering these questionaires about the American presidential candidates. How about that? ;-) As long as other-worldly, mysterious, and esoteric matters are put aside, we seem to get along marvelously!

Giuliani said yesterday that a Clinton-Obama ticket for the Democrats would be just about impossible for the Republicans to beat. I wonder if he was being sincere in saying that or attempting to spread disinformation?

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 01:50 PM

Govem that there are still substantial numbers of people in the US who are closet racists/closet sexists, I wonder how well such a ticket would play out. If Clinton and Obama are the candidates I most certainly will vote for them and work for their election but I would feel safer with just one of the closet buttons.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 01:52 PM

I tend to refer to Hillary Rodham Clinton as "Hillary," not because I am a male chauvinist pig, nor because I lack respect for her achievements, but for reasons of economical communication. In the context of a political discussion, I can mention "Hillary," without having to add "Rodham" and/or "Clinton," and people will quite probably grasp -a) than I am speaking of Hillary Rodham Clinton, and -b) the political context of the discussion will be a good indication that I am not talking about Hilary (note: only one "l") Hahn, the young classical violin virtuoso (virtuosa?).

I live in an area of the U. S. where a measure of informality seems to be in order, and with certain exceptions (e.g., a patient addressing a doctor, a student addressing a teacher or professor, or a young person addressing someone quite a bit older), and especially in social situations, people are very quick to begin using someone else's first name even upon first meeting. It seems quite friendly and I've never heard anyone object.

Were I to meet Hillary Rodham Clinton, I would undoubtedly address her as "Mrs. Clinton," unless and until she suggested otherwise.

Donald Richard Firth

(But you may call me "Don." Or "Don Firth," to distinguish me from, say, Donald Trump, Donald Duck, or Don Quixote)

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 02:26 PM

re: Hillary
It could be the wish not to confuse her with Mr. Clinton, but I think Kevin McGrath's observation has also another background:
Prominent females tend to be referred to more often by the first name than men are.

Angie (our Chancelorette) or Maggie are (were) familiar names in German tabloids, Gerhard or Tony aren't.

BTW, in our faculty the only professor who is consistently referred to by her first name when two people talk about her is female.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 02:59 PM

I also say Hillary when referring to Ms. Clinton, but if you notice, I also say Dennis and Barack.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 04:16 PM

"Tony" and "Maggie" were used pretty well equally in England. Probably more so by people who detested them than by their admirers, I'd say. The same goes for Gordon.

I think there can be a sense, in England anyway,that using their first name can be a way of cutting public figures down to size.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 04:34 PM

Okay, but that's so much the case with Hillary. At least I don't think it is. Besides, "Hillary" is a very unique name, so it makes a good way of referring to her...better than calling her "Clinton" or "Mrs Clinton".

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 06:53 PM

Another way to refer to her is as Senator Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: John Hardly
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 06:58 PM

hmmm. I took the test. It said that I should vote for Lincoln.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 10:25 PM

*G*

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 07 - 10:06 AM

Vote for
FRED T
&
JEB B
in 2008
they'll kill or deport the evil you hate.




YOU HAVE ALREADY VOTED
for the next white guy who is supported by the military.

brought to you by Diebold (WE KNOW WHO WE ARE WORKING FOR)





Hillary/Obama 08
& Edwards dept of State

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 07 - 10:17 AM

Mike Gravel
Score: 46
Agree
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Line-Item Veto
Energy


Chris Dodd
Score: 46
Video Agree
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Line-Item Veto
Energy


Dennis Kucinich
Score: 45
Agree
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Line-Item Veto
Energy


Bill Richardson
Score: 43
Video Agree
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Energy
Death Penalty


Barack Obama
Score: 41
Video Agree
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Marriage
Disagree
Iraq
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Death Penalty


Hillary Clinton
Score: 41
Agree
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Marriage
Disagree
Iraq
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Death Penalty


John Edwards

Great haircut

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 07 - 08:19 PM

Huckabee and Finn in 2008

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Oct 07 - 08:25 PM

Opus and Bill in 2008!

Remember their slogan:

"This time, why not the WORST???"

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Oct 07 - 10:11 PM

Oh no! Not again!

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: GUEST,Ron Paul for President
Date: 25 Dec 07 - 05:34 PM

http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=207908

Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman, Ron Paul, can win the presidency. Contrary to the pundits and media propaganda, Ron Paul is best positioned to win the GOP nomination.

Ron Paul has more money than his opponents and is just starting to gain momentum. As a result of massive popular support Paul's donor base is huge and donors are not close to reaching contribution limits. Paul's opponents are going broke and their donors are maxed out. Ron Paul may raise 20 million this quarter and chances are he'll raise more the next quarter....

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Season's greetings. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Dec 07 - 06:46 PM

Dennis!

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Dec 07 - 09:11 PM

I ended up with Kucinich as my first choice, but the only one I agreed with on immigration was Tom Tancredo. The only issue I listed as "very important" was immigration, so I think there's something wrong with their program.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 26 Dec 07 - 02:24 PM

The list is poor and poorer, and we need to make this important decision much too early thanks to the cable news channels. I do not believe there isn't a single states(wo)man amongst them. They are all twits who will say anything and do anything to get the nomination, and hope the don't make a gaffe, and further hope that their skeletons--however minor or long ago--don't show up. I will leave President blank on my February ballot.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Dec 07 - 11:25 PM

Kucinich for both, but I'm demanding a recount!

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: dwditty
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 01:59 PM

Refresh in response to Richard Bridge's thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 02:34 PM

Hillary
Edwards
Kucinich

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 02:39 PM

Did you try the second test? Its questions are much better thought out.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 04:03 PM

No surprise about the leaders in Poll #1...a tie between Hilary and Barack. Kind of surprising that McCain was near the bottom.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 04:09 PM

Second poll

Kucinich
Obama
Hillary

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 04:16 PM

Bush 08
even baseball
has 3 strikes

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: DougR
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 05:34 PM

Go Kucinich!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 05:41 PM

Thanks, Doug. ;-) The pity of it is, of course, the man has no hope of becoming the Democratic Party's choice to run for president. Or even, apparently, of getting on its televised debates anymore, despite winning a number of internet polls taken among people generally who plan to vote Democratic.

But you'd like him to run, wouldn't you, because you're quite sure he couldn't win?

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 06:11 PM

Very helpful refresh thanks

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 06:14 PM

But Kat Swift and Brian Moore were not on either list....

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 07:08 PM

Help us out a little, Richard. Who are they?

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 03:34 AM

Dodd was #1 for me and I don't even know who he is.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 03:59 AM

I think that Dianavan's comment does betray a failing of the US news media, so no wonder I found it hard (and am still finding it hard) to get a rounded picture of the options being presented (and obstructed) for teh US voting public.

Wikipedia list of candidates

Brian Moore, socialist party candidate   The website is not all that good. He is also in Wikipedia as "Brian Moore, politician"

Kat Swift, a green candidate
Again the website is poor, and again she is also in Wikipedia.

Do have a look at some of the others on the Wikipedia list. The fact that such loonies can stand for president gives me a little faith in the US system, but alas the way that dollars and media interests put a barrier in the way of propagation of points of view that are not from the political mainstream (NB, not the voters mainstream) of the main parties I think outweigh that little sign of health many times over.

Subject: RE: BS: Select a Presidential Candidate
From: Mooh
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 10:18 AM

Using a friend's zip code and pretending to be from the Excited States, Clinton at 84, followed by Dodd, Kucinich, and Obama. That was fun, makes watching US news worthwhile.

Peace, Mooh.