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Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Peace Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:36 PM Because, according to Nero Wolfe, "a guest is a jewel on the cushion of hospitality." |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Jim Lad Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:35 PM Why? |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: GUEST Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:31 PM refresh |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Joe Offer Date: 08 Dec 07 - 02:07 AM I tend to prefer more traditional music, but I have to say I enjoyed these recordings. Good Work, Gene! -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Peace Date: 07 Dec 07 - 07:32 PM "Even in the winter, I have a fan in my bedroom to provide white noise of a sort. I can get to sleep much either that way." I will not be a smart ass. I will not be a smart ass. I will not be a smart ass. I will not be a smart ass. It's working so far. I will not be . . . . |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Art Thieme Date: 07 Dec 07 - 07:13 PM Even in the winter, I have a fan in my bedroom to provide white noise of a sort. I can get to sleep much either that way. Art |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Peace Date: 07 Dec 07 - 07:03 PM Nice post, Stu. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: GUEST,a southampton folkie (Stu) Date: 07 Dec 07 - 06:03 PM ...I'd just like to say what a great thread I think this has turned out to be, getting people who are passionate about folk and roots music to debate the ins and out of what in their opinion goes into making good folk songs/ interpretations, and what doesn't. I'm not blowing my own trumpet here, because with the benefit of hindsight I see that my original thread title was stupid and inflammatory; and that this has probably come about in spite rather than because of my own input...nonetheless, thank you, mudcat, for keeping the thread open and for allowing the kinds of debates which are IMO vital in keeping the concept of folk music alive. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Stewie Date: 07 Dec 07 - 11:51 AM The lad has loads of talent, but his voice ain't suited to 'Dink's Song'. It reminded me of my irritation at John Jacob Niles' renditions of folk songs, albeit a perfectly fine voice that is attractive to many. Jeez, it must be wonderful to have 612 such talented friends including even the sadly departed such as Nick Drake! --Stewie. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Banjiman Date: 07 Dec 07 - 11:25 AM Very effective PR...reasonable singing (certainly different) and playing...but very , very effective PR. respect. Paul |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: treewind Date: 07 Dec 07 - 11:23 AM "My hope for him is that he remain true to his vision and not get caught up in the 'industry' of 'moving product'." I've met Gene and I don't think there's much danger of that, and that's borne out by his posting to this thread too. He was almost embarrassed when I suggested a CD swap at the time, as he normally gives his away for free, though I doubt if he's still doing that. He's a perfectionist, knows exactly what he's creating and does it for its own sake, not for fame or fortune though he'd obviously like others to hear his songs. Anahata |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Folkiedave Date: 07 Dec 07 - 11:10 AM Really - why I never thought of that! |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Dave Hanson Date: 07 Dec 07 - 06:42 AM He probably says it's moribund because folk venues are not queuing up to book him. eric |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Folkiedave Date: 07 Dec 07 - 03:23 AM I couldn't give a monkeys about whether he is good or not. That in the end is a matter of opinion and punters will judge eventually. I do want to know where he has been to say the folk scene is moribund though, 'cos it is simply wrong. And does that include Saddleworth? I think we should be told. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Dave Hanson Date: 07 Dec 07 - 02:24 AM Quote from Gene Burton " I know a lot of people will have listened and been really inspired by these tracks, and why not ? they're great songs " Obviously a self made man who worships his maker. eric |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Jim Lad Date: 07 Dec 07 - 12:15 AM "it's invigorating to hear genuine, original talent in the infancy of it's bloom." See. That's what I was trying to say. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: GUEST,Jeff Date: 06 Dec 07 - 11:47 PM Just listened to Gene's songs at his myspace website. For about 15 seconds I was put off by the 'quasi-Elizabethan-madrigal-middle ages-Chaucerian-affectation' in his singing and then was awash in self-embarassment for being such a self-important, jaded fuckhead. He's brilliant, obviously. One can't ignore the subtle interplay between the guitar and vocal on 'If'. There's a truthfulness in his delivery that can't be manufactered. 2 mics and a touch of reverb don't lie. 'Local Girls' is another very nice track seeming to scratch a little deeper than he intended to go and there were some moments I'm sure were uncomfortable for him to reveal, but that's what makes it such a great song. My hope for him is that he remain true to his vision and not get caught up in the 'industry' of 'moving product'. It'll be a slow build , but better in all ways in the long run. He's doing fine. It's going to be fun watching his growth as an artist. Thanks to the OP for being such a thorn as I ignored this thread for days and now I'm glad I took the plunge. BTW, my nephew's name is Landon Pigg and he had a recent major label release called 'This is a Pigg'. He's got a myspace site and all that, but my point is that what the product turned out to be has absolutely nothing to do with what he actually is as an artist. The A&R people burned through all the money by hiring 'big gun' producers trying to make him into a 'rock star' when he could've done what Gene is doing and been much better off. Sorry, to have gone on for so long, but's it's invigorating to hear genuine, original talent in the infancy of it's bloom. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Jim Lad Date: 06 Dec 07 - 09:01 PM Here! |
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Subject: Do you like good music? From: GUEST,a southampton folkie Date: 06 Dec 07 - 08:12 PM ...then maybe consider listening: www.myspace.com/geneburtonmusic 6 new tracks. No studio trickery, no guitar wank. Just a great talent performing great original songs with 100% passion and self-belief. (I said I'd repost as soon as I heard of further updates to the site, and I'm a man of my word). ...think I'll just leave it there and "let the music do the talking". Adios, Southampton folkie (Stu) |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Linda Kelly Date: 04 Dec 07 - 03:12 PM Hazel and I are big fans following singarounds in Saddleworth -he is wonderful! |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Jim Lad Date: 04 Dec 07 - 03:01 PM Okay! I can accept the irritating thread title. Have no problem with a performer not seeking advice. (We should all be able to stand on our own two feet) Not particularly hung up on "Folk Police) issues, either. But where the heck does this guy get off suggesting that Birmingham has a decent football club? Entirely unacceptable. Grin! Jim |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Pistachio Date: 04 Dec 07 - 01:02 PM I met Gene at two of the singarounds at Saddleworth Folk Festival 2006 and heard a unique sound. We are all quite different with our talents and expectations. I remember watching Gene, as he listened intentley to other performers, and being quite surprised at the sound he himself produced. I remember thinking he must be tense and nervous. Maybe not technically perfect - but a considered and practised delivery. Good luck to the lad. I'd be happy to listen again. Hazel. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! Gene Burton From: Folkiedave Date: 04 Dec 07 - 12:43 PM I love folk music, always will, but am less enamoured of the UK folk "scene", which seems to me have become pretty moribund. Then you really ought to get out more. In fact the UK folk scene is probably at its liveliest it has been for years. Where have you been? Lots of new and exciting performers and lots of new festivals. Even some new folk clubs. And who are the folk police? How can I find them/avoid them? |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: GUEST,Gene Burton Date: 04 Dec 07 - 11:50 AM As the subject of this thread, I'd just like to chime in on a couple of points. Firstly, most importantly, my friend who started the thread has my full approval. Judging by my profile views on myspace, there are now hundreds more people who know who I am and what I do than a few days ago and I (you?) have him to thank for that. I know a lot of people will have listened and been really inspired by these tracks, and why not? They're great songs. Secondly, I should point out that I'm 26 years old, been singing and writing for several years and for what it's worth I consider my sound to be fully formed. I'm not looking for anybody's advice and I wouldn't change anything on this particular collection of songs for the world. Neither am I particularly looking for gigs at folk clubs or festivals- I love folk music, always will, but am less enamoured of the UK folk "scene", which seems to me have become pretty moribund. There's one good F.C. here in Birmingham which I go to occasionally; and I have a couple of folk club gigs coming up in the new year (one at the Red Lion which is really more of a concert venue, the other back down south at a club whose organisers have been very good to me over the years) But by and large I tend to perform and listen elsewhere these days (there's some great open mics in this part of the world, and I'm in the process of getting some pub gigs lined up for the new year). Finally, no-one need worry I'll be "destroyed" by the comments of the F*** Police - they're always good for a laugh! And I'm heartened by the input of those contributors here who've obviously listened, enjoyed and engaged with the songs. And, just for the record (I should know better than to get drawn into this, but I've taken the bait, so well done, "Beer" - hope you're proud); nobody, to my certain knowledge, has ever once either fallen asleep or walked out during any performance, paid or otherwise, by myself...even members of the F.P. and even on a bad night. This'll be my only contribution here. Big thanks to everybody who listened, whatever your opinion (and I really mean that), and peace to all. Over and out. Gene. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: GUEST,guest Date: 04 Dec 07 - 04:03 AM What's My Space ? |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Richard Bridge Date: 04 Dec 07 - 03:20 AM I don't think we need to be this spiky about a foolish thread title. And even if some of us really really hate Gene Burton's music, we could at least be civil about the way we express it. I don't hate it, but am not all that favourable impressed. It does seem that some of the approbation of Gene Burton is based on the preferment of songwriters above interpreters of folk songs, and I of course am in the other camp. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Dave Hanson Date: 04 Dec 07 - 03:10 AM I haven't looked at the myspace link southampton folkie but for your part do you realise that plugging your favourite singer [ you maybe ] in this fashion mainly has opposite effect of what you are trying to achieve, in fact fan as in ' fan worship ' is short for fanatic, it's bordering on obsessional behaviour. eric |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Folkiedave Date: 04 Dec 07 - 03:03 AM Listened. Therefore I am. Dave |
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Subject: Gene Burton on myspace From: GUEST,a southampton folkie Date: 04 Dec 07 - 01:58 AM OK, in the light of some of the more recent comments I've changed the thread title...can't say I necessarily regret the original title, 'cos I don't think the thread would've received anything like the amount of attention it has done; but where offence has been caused I apologise. I don't think Gene's all that bothered about playing your kind of festival these days, Beer; and as for my own part I'm just trying to share the music of someone I consider to be a great talent with people who may or may not be interested; clearly, some are and some aren't. I haven't responded to any af the negative/abusive stuff, 'cos 1) why feed the trolls? and 2) Gene ain't bothered, so why should I be? Criticism only merits a response when informed, constructive and reasoned, as with Jim Lad's posting, for example. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: katlaughing Date: 03 Dec 07 - 10:24 PM And, definitely do not start another thread when he puts more songs up, rather just make a note of it in this thread, please. Helps to keep the kitty litter tidied up a bit. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: catspaw49 Date: 03 Dec 07 - 10:04 PM Here's the problem which must be addressed or this thread will be closed I'm sure. It is amazung to me it has gone this long to be truthful. What kind of fan is this? I'm always in need of a good fan around here, especially in the summertime but even now they can be handy to have. I gather by calling this one a "music" fan that it plays some sort of tune or other ditty. I personally don't give a turkey if my fan plays music, it just has to move air. I have had good success with the Gordon Bok Fan that we got from Kendall and Gordon. It has the automatic switch that turns it on toward morning...a nice touch. Is the music fan available in jazz and classical versions as well? How much is the fan and what is the warrranty? A;; the questions in this paragraph need an answer or I feel this thread will suffer quickly. Finally, we are always happy to hear someone's music but generally it comes from a member and not a friend of a friend of a friend or whatever, none of whom are members or even vaguely interested in this joint except as a source of numbers or revenue......so southhamp dudely, bite me. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Jim Lad Date: 03 Dec 07 - 09:39 PM The title is just an unfortunate error. I wouldn't punish anyone for that. We've had recent examples of thread titles designed to cause riots. I listened to nearly half of a song and from what I heard, the guy is a fledgling folk singer who would benefit well from the guidance of most on this thread. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: M.Ted Date: 03 Dec 07 - 09:33 PM Didn't bother to listen. When they said, "Don't you dare miss it!" I missed it. Sorry, that's just me. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Ron Davies Date: 03 Dec 07 - 09:22 PM Sorry, but this approach is a singularly stupid one--more likely to raise hackles than to win fans. I think Mozart, Brahms, Mendelssohn, etc. are wonderful--but wouldn't order somebody to listen "or you're not a music fan". For the record, I did listen, as ordered--and was not smitten. Somehow, I'll survive. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Beer Date: 03 Dec 07 - 08:31 PM Like the title as it certainly would attract any music lover to it. However the rest is unfair to the singer in question. You "Guest", have opened a thread which could also destroy a person who is just starting out and needs positive support. Not negative as I'm sure he will and already has received. I also noticed that you have not commented on any of the negative points but"onward we go". I have been running a very successful Festival for a number of years and I wouldn't consider booking him. I like his voice and his guitar work is fine, but the writing is boring and would put the audience to sleep or have them leave. When I book someone it is with the sole intent of pleasing the audience. Good luck to Gene just the same. Beer (adrien) |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Amos Date: 03 Dec 07 - 07:31 PM I think the title of this thread is unnecessarily antago and essentially ameaningless rhetorical device devoid of net semantic meaning. A |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Dec 07 - 06:46 PM Absolutely right! Dixon of Dock Green! |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Jim Lad Date: 03 Dec 07 - 06:13 PM Yours would be the London Bobby style, I suppose. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Dec 07 - 06:12 PM Can I have my folk policeman's helmet back please? |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Jim Lad Date: 03 Dec 07 - 05:16 PM Not my place to step in, uninvited. Good luck with the upcoming album. Jim |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: GUEST,a southampton folkie Date: 03 Dec 07 - 04:07 PM ...I think his email address is on the myspace site. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Jim Lad Date: 03 Dec 07 - 04:01 PM It doesn't have to be expensive but if he chooses to go without then it will cost him in the long run. What you/he needs is another ear in the room. Someone to listen for pitch, (Fiddlers are excellent at this) trailing notes, phrasing and so on. The accompaniment was fine and I have no doubt that he is quite capable of judging the artistic content all by himself. If you weren't a guest, I'd be able to PM you with details but we're stuck with this forum for now. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: GUEST,a southampton folkie Date: 03 Dec 07 - 03:54 PM That's a fair point, Jim Lad. I think Gene has a psychological attachment to trying to do everything in one take with minimal studio "trickery"; which occasionally betrays his limitations as a musician...I think he sees this as conveying greater authenticity, rightly or wrongly. I'll certainly pass the message on, though...although money may well also be an issue, what with no record label backing and, I think, pretty modest personal circumstances. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: GUEST,Ed Date: 03 Dec 07 - 03:53 PM My god, its awful. I would pay NOT to here that voice |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Jim Lad Date: 03 Dec 07 - 03:32 PM Tell him to get a producer then. The man has enormous potential and could be as huge as any in the folk world so don't misread this in any way. There are some things on his songs that a producer would fix before the track reaches a CD. Other than that..... I am a fanatical about nothing but I did give it a listen. Thanks for the link, Bruce. (You Canadian Icon you) |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: GUEST,a southampton folkie Date: 03 Dec 07 - 03:21 PM I just spoke to Gene over the phone earlier this evening...he sounded in better spirits than I'd been led to expect...anyway, he'd obviously been informed about this thread by a third party and called to thank me for setting the ball rolling...I think he'd clocked the sudden upsurge in interest on myspace and was puzzled before finding out! He said to thank everyone for taking the time to listen, and also to thank "the folk police, for providing much unintended amusement"- his words, not mine...I can't think what he might mean by that :) He also mentioned he plans to put more new tracks up at some point in the next week- I'll keep an eye on his site and (with Gene's blessing) probably start another thread once the new tracks are up. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Brian Hoskin Date: 03 Dec 07 - 05:30 AM His 'sounds like' list makes for interesting reading. There's not much in the 4 sound clips to indicate that he might ever sound much like, just for instance, the Beach Boys, Johnny Cash, U2, the Louvin Brothers or Edith Piaf! But I guess that was just a cut 'n' paste job from his influences section. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Dec 07 - 04:02 AM On the other hand, Davey Rumsey, about whom I have enthused before, seems to have metamorphosed into a rather good electric band - less folky than of yore - David James Rumsey Band Shame there is none of his traditional unamplified material there. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Dec 07 - 02:37 AM It's OK-ish. The guitar work (sure, it's better than me, but that is not the touchstone) is not wonderful. I am not taken by the fluting quality of the voice nor the use of falsetto. |
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Subject: RE: Listen or you're not a music fan! From: Dave Hanson Date: 03 Dec 07 - 02:24 AM Never even heard of 'im. eric |
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