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BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!

meself 21 Apr 08 - 03:23 PM
Amergin 21 Apr 08 - 03:10 PM
Little Hawk 21 Apr 08 - 03:03 PM
Art Thieme 21 Apr 08 - 02:30 PM
Big Al Whittle 21 Apr 08 - 08:48 AM
kendall 21 Apr 08 - 08:07 AM
alanabit 21 Apr 08 - 07:34 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 21 Apr 08 - 07:06 AM
Big Al Whittle 21 Apr 08 - 06:48 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: meself
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 03:23 PM

Yes - and it's pretty unsettling - at least if you are unfamiliar with the play, and so don't know what's coming, as was my case when I caught it on TV late one night ... Not one to use to introduce the little ones to Shakespeare ...


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From: Amergin
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 03:10 PM

Titus has been made into a film, with Anthony Hopkins as the starring role.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 03:03 PM

People are meant to be loved, not brutalized.


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From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 02:30 PM

Slag, I understand what you are saying. I, too, thought N.B.Killers was an extremely well made film with a lot to say--and it did say it graphically well. That said, though, seeing it once was plenty, at least for me------------and I am glad to have it..... disappearing -------incrementally..........................







in the rear view......... mirror...

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 08:48 AM

It was at Stratford in the Swan Theatre.

When the bad guys cut his hand off with a ligature, it was like a conjuring trick - you heard it plop into a bucket. this woman on the front row fainted.


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From: kendall
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 08:07 AM

Women and children are to be loved, not brutalized.


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From: alanabit
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:34 AM

I read a review of the play somewhere, which mentioned that there had been several great productions of it. I'd be interested to see one. The trouble with just reading it is that the catalogue of horrors becomes almost comical at times. Is the baddie called Amos? I think he actually makes a final defiant speech to say that if ever he did one good deed, he repents of it now. I can well imagine that if such a litany of horrors came from a modern playwright, it would have difficulties getting on stage. That is not to say that it's necessarily a bad play. Isn't Titus Andronicus the one with the stage direction: Enter Lavinia with bleeding stumps and tongue cut out?


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From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:06 AM

No I'm afraid I didn't - and I really hate to ask such a mega-dumb question but, was this production a film or live theatre? It's nice to see some positive feedback about this play. So hard not to get infected with Ken Tynan's Vivienne-Leigh-hating-but-lethally-funny review of it, which unfortunately tends to linger in the mind.


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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 06:48 AM

Bonnie did you ever see Deborah Warner's production of Titus with Brian Cox (nice Irish lad!) as Titus? probably the best production of any Shakespeare play I ever saw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 06:17 AM

Hate to think what Hollywood would do (or has done?) with Titus Andronicus -


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 03:55 AM

The thing about Shakespeare - you can't cut someone's head off onstage. You can on film.

That's why the best of his stuff is like Richard II where its all terrific poetry and speeches.

Richard III, where the violence is very overt, makes a good film, but it never really works well onstage.


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From: alanabit
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 02:33 AM

I don't know if I want to watch "The Constant Gardener" again any time soon. It is an excellent film, which tells the truth. The bad guys win easily and crush the moral people. It may be the truth, but it is not easy to watch. That is why it is so satisfying to watch films, in which the good guys pull off unlikely vicotries. We do not see it so often in real life.


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From: meself
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 07:32 PM

When one of my sons was about 13 or 14, and starting to develop sophisticated tastes, he brought "1900" home from the library. I would not let him watch it, because of that scene Jeri alludes to. It's just too disturbing. My son was quite indignant, of course ...


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From: Jeri
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 07:20 PM

Novocento/1900 had one of those scenes Kendall hates. I could describe the scene, but it ended with the boy's death and if I'd seen Donald Sutherland on the street after coming out of the theater, somebody would have needed to hold me back. That scene haunts me to this day. The movie itself was merely too long.

Like SRS, I hate those stupid movies. There is enough stupidity in real life and we don't need to celebrate it. I can watch just about anything: sex, violence (rock & roll), creepiness & horror, weirdness (as in Pan's Labyrinth) if done well. Accidentally bad movies can be entertaining, but I HATE it when it feels like the people who made the movie were trying too hard to impress.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Slag
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 06:16 PM

I'm with you for the most part, Art. I won't boor you with a critique of every movie I've seen or an explanation for every movie I don't see. I DO have to disagree with you about "Natural Born Killers" though as Stone has really tapped into something and managed to portray on the screen what delusion and psychosis is like from the inside out (I would assume). It is art. The hack and slash garbage like "Texas Chain-saw Massacre" and Con-Air, etc. I will not waste time nor money on. Nor will I watch the delusional "Bambi" which has taught generations of children that animals are people with human feelings. For those of you who disagree with that last statement... I rest my case.

I also personally boycott certain actors or actresses who have used their fame and their ability to pretend that they are someone else to promote asinine ideas or radical political views with which I disagree. My choice. Generally I do not watch movies very often.

I agree with many of you who abhor the gratuitous violence and the "meanness" which is too often exploited. Ditto for unnecessary sex which does not figure prominently into the plot. Film makers today seem to substitute loud explosions and chase scenes for creativity. They have forgotten how to tell a story. Or better, how to SHOW a story.


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From: heric
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 06:15 PM

I must confess, as a pencilneck lawyer whose wife left him for a motorcycle cop, to a slight cringe last night, watching American Gangster, when Russell Crowe's wife screamed "FUCK ME LIKE A COP. LIKE A COP! Not like a lawyer!"

ah, well


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From: gnu
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 06:11 PM

Used to be that violence and such were triumphed in the end. The good guy won. Now, even when the good guy wins, it's extremely violent. I seldom watch movies or TV any more. Save for some Letterman and Fergusson. And, Cindy the Weatherbabe.... on Live At Five from Halifax... the closest I get to porn. She's fully clothed, of course, but... well, you know. (Friday is usually black sweater night.)


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From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 06:08 PM

PS: Apparently they gave it a standing ovation at the Sundance Festival -


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 06:05 PM

Ever see Song For A Raggy Boy? Even more so -


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From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 04:51 PM

I usually percevere with films to the end - if they are remotely good, but the "Magdalen Laundry" was just too distressing to get through, no complaints about quality. I saw the documntary and that was harrowing enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 06:25 PM

And it's a dramatisation of Don Quixote - Man of La Mancha - that has one of the most horrific gang-rape scenes I've ever seen.


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From: kendall
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 04:26 PM

Even though I know it's just a movie, I can not tolerate rape scenes, or any such thing involving the harming of women and children. It brings out the "Don Quixote" in me.


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From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 04:24 PM

On subject of violence---and as said earlier Shakespeare also used it as part of the story line since it was an important factor. This aside from my comparisons of the various versions of Hamlet and Henry V.

Let me mention another film---to me a classic and not for the squeamish and tells a sad tale of the human condition and its failings with regard to frustration and to bigotry. THE OX BOW INCIDENT.   Hard to watch but moving, wrenching, and hopefully teaches us all something.

Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 04:15 PM

I had to walk out of Hang 'em High.

And The devils.

Strange really, I loved The Music Lovers and Women in Love, and all that stuff about Delius and and debussy and Elgar that Russell did for the BBC.

I suppose when an arist has given you that much delight, you sort of owe it to him to bear with him on his journey.

I think I must have been going through a sensitive period.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 02:56 PM

Not films I cannot watch easily, but films (or scenes from) that I cannot watch at all:

The end of Ken Russell's The Devils, where Oliver Reed gets burned to death and you see every revolting detail second by second. I had no problem with the sexual hysteria and sacrilege and general weirdness, but that shot-in-closeup execution-at-the-stake scene still sickens me, even in memory. (The fact that the real-life Father Grandier suffered far worse tortures doesn't do wonders for my mind either.) Superbly made, stunningly acted, first rate theatre-of-shock - and I'm never ever going NEAR the damned thing again.   

Dustin Hoffman strapped down into that dentist's chair runs it a close second.


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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 02:48 PM

I read the book of Schindler's List and couldn't face seeing the film. that whole episode of history is just so incomprehensible. You can only feel sorry for the people caught up in it. So far into territory that you don't really want to think human beings venture into.

I can't see that the protagonists of the Jesse James story were any worse than The Goodfellas. Both stories were at base about people who had been forced to embrace a set of values, because of decisions thay had made about how they wanted to live. Its easy to identify with people in both films - they wanted to be somebody different from the run of the mill members of society.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 02:20 PM

I'm not sure which specific hawk I am supposed to be Leeneia. The name "Little Hawk" does not indicate it. It's an old name of mine, comes from well over a century ago (another lifetime).


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: alanabit
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 08:37 AM

The thread title is a good one. There are a lot of well made films, which I take no pleasure in watching. That includes most horror films and many violent ones. I also avoid films, in which people behave in cringingly embarrassing ways.
I will agree that "Schildler's List" was an assault on the senses. However, it was more than worth watching, because it was a profoundly moral film. It showed how a cynic changed immeasuarably for the better, yet still had to pretend that he was a greedy cynic. He was also placing his own life in enormous danger over a period of years. The strain left him a broken man. The number of people, whom he was able to save was small. Schindler was also a seriously flawed person himself. The beauty of the film was that it showed that his sacrifice and heroism were still worth it all the same.
Yes it was harrowing, yet it left you with a ringing endorsement of real humanity. It was a wonderful film.


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From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 10:59 PM

Thanks for your kind words, little hawk.

By the way, exactly which little hawk are you? Kestrel, prairie falcon?

Here's a story about motion pictures and motion sickness. After I saw 'Much Ado About Nothing,' I wrote the director a letter and told him that the movie was wonderful except for one thing - the dancing. He hadn't spent any time or money on the dancing - merely told the actors to fling out an arm or leg as the mood struck them. The result was that watching them made me feel almost sick. Those huge, unpredictable things coming at me!

I wrote that if he wanted people to spend money watching his movies he should give more thought to problems like this. (There are reasons by many people never go to the movies.) Well, I got a smart-alecky letter back from an assistant, who denied everything.

HOWEVER, I noticed that when Shakespeare in Love was made, the dancing was graceful, beautiful, and a delight to watch. That moment when four dancers held their hands up and described a slow circle while a high recorder played a beautiful air! It was the only thing in the movie I actually enjoyed.

I know it was a different director, but maybe, just maybe, somebody paid attention to my suggestion...   Profit motive and all that.

I didn't see the whole thing. We watched actors playing modern people while wearing Elizabethan clothes for a long time, and when somebody said something about wanting to see 'a daughter properly mutilated,' we looked at one another and said, 'Let's go.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 09:18 PM

And you should read the book! (Have you yet, LH?)

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 08:01 PM

Damn right he was good in that movie! It's a wonderful film. He's also been quite good in some of his other movies, although they are a mixed lot when it comes to that.


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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 07:59 PM

I thought Brad Pitt was incredibly good in the Jesse James film - although, he fairly crackles with menace throughout - certainly not for the faint hearted.

I wish I 'd seen more of his films now.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 07:49 PM

"a Mafia movie starring Tom Hanks"

There was one, wasn't there, Greengal? I think it was called "The Road To Perdition". I find Tom Hanks hard to warm up to also, although I'd say he's a pretty good actor...there's just something about the guy that doesn't appeal to me, that's all. I guess you'd say we don't have "chemistry", him and me. ;-) I felt the same about Richard Widmark, Charles Bronson, Jeff Goldblum, Anthony Quinn, and John Wayne. No mutual chemistry at all between me and any of those guys, so any movie they were in, it was sort of ruined for me just because they were in it.

I'm not saying that's necessarily fair to the various actors I mentioned, I'm just saying that's the way it is, that's all.

I felt that way about Leonardo DiCaprio too, at first, but I changed my mind completely after I saw him star in 3 or 4 absolutely great movies! I now look forward to seeing his next role.


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From: Greengal
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 07:08 PM

I also agree that I am no fan of Mafia movies, for many of the reasons Little Hawk stated. I have seen a few, such as The Untouchables, but I haven't seen ONE Godfather movie, and don't feel I've missed a thing.

Love the Star Wars stuff, however and almost all sci fi. Well, it's all a matter of taste. But my worst cinematic nightmare would be to have to sit through a Mafia movie starring Tom Hanks. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 03:55 PM

I agree that the acting in Goodfellas was very good, and very realistic...but it happened to be about a kind of lifestyle and a group of people I just don't have any desire to see in that sort of excruciating detail.

Their values were comprehensible in their terms? Yeah, sure they were. Easily comprehensible. But so what? I still can't stand people like that and I don't wish to have to put up with watching them for a couple of hours. It's a total downer.

It reminds me of the sickest and most twisted bullies I ever witnessed in school...the most ignorant people I've ever known...only increased by a factor of about 100. No thanks. Life is hard enough already.


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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 03:27 PM

Goodfellas was great, if only for the lasagne. And the soundtrack. The period detail.....

And the human detail. The people in organised crime aren't all like Jimmy Cagney, good boys gone wrong.......

The acting was ridiculously good. It sort of explained something most people just don't know about, a closed world - with its own strange values - it made them comprehensible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 03:10 PM

About the most violent scene in Jane Austen's "Pride and Prejudice" was the conversation between Miss Elizabeth Bennet and The Lady Catherine de Bourgh when The Lady Catherine demands that, if Mr. Darcy should ask Elizabeth to marry him, she will refuse him. Miss Elizabeth's rather heated answer sort of ripped the Lady Catherine a new one.

It was rather fun to see the pompous old dragon, used to having people kowtow to her and deferred to her every whim, get a pie in the face, even if it was only a verbal one.

Don Firth


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From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 02:48 PM

I was living in an apartment on Seattle's Queen Anne HillI in the mid to late 1970s, and the management of the building wanted to paint my apartment—on my day off. It had been a few years since I had gone to a movie. I had read "Jaws," and since the movie was in town, I decided to go see it while the painters were at work.

What can I say? Special effects had certainly got more realistic since I had last been in a movie theater. The scene after the shark had swallowed Quint whole and had just crashed through the transom and was after Chief Brody must have gotten to me, because for a couple of nights after seeing the movie, I woke up in a cold sweat and noticed that I had kicked the blankets off—which is a pretty good trick for someone whose legs were paralyzed by polio!

Having read "Alien," I went to see it on a double bill with "The Fury." In "The Fury," they must have used a supertanker-load of fake blood. Particularly juicy was a scene toward the end of the movie when John Cassavetes' head exploded in a fountain of gore. "Alien" managed its own share of blood, when John Hurt suddenly recovered after the "face-hugger" fell off and they were all sitting down for a meal. A sudden attack of tummy trouble!? I thought the alien was a very well conceived monster, though. Between "Alien" and a number of sequels, you know that the damned thing has an immense amount of cunning, but you never do find out if this apparent hybrid of reptile-insect is actually an intelligent being.

I believe the last movie I saw in a movie theater was "Jurrasic Park." Another movie from a book I had read. Stupendous special effects, but 'nuff said.

We watch movies on my laptop computer now. Netflix. We've watched a few pretty violent movies, such as the "Star Wars" prequels, and we started to watch a Japanese movie that we thought was something entirely different, but it turned out to be a martial-arts movie—warring gangs of samurai. The speed and acrobatics with which these folks moved was awe-inspiring (if you can invoke the "willing suspension of disbelief" and accept the "slow cranking" filming technique that allows them to display that kind of superhuman speed), but when the swords came out and the arms, legs, and heads started hitting the floor, we decided that was enough of that!

I think the most violent movie we've watch lately was "Quigley Down Under." But when Tom Selleck threw Alan Rickman out through his own front door, you figure Rickman's character deserved it (as someone remarked, "and their relationship went downhill from there."). Not really all that violent. Relatively speaking. Good movie. Fun!

I am a real fan of the "Lord of the Rings" movies. I have the full 12 DVD "platinum edition" set. I think Jackson could have devoted a little less time to the massive battle scenes, however.

Lately we've been watching the Jane Austen orgy on our local PBS station.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Greengal
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 01:52 PM

I agree that films that have meaningless violence and are just too stupid have become impossible for me the older I get.

Of course, I don't always know if I'm going to find a film unrelentingly stupid or not til I get to see it. Surprised myself when a few years ago I went to see Meet The Fockers. It was silly as anything but somehow I just laughed all through it.

But the films I know I will hate without reading a review - and I am surely in the minority here - is any film with Tom Hanks. I don't know what the fuss is about. And all his movies get great reviews, so I kept going to see them til it sunk in I don't like him (as an actor,may be a perfectly nice guy otherwise) and I haven't liked any movie he's been in. The cloying candy coated cliches spouted by Forrest Gump made me want to scream. The astronaut movie, (forgot the name) was so boring I was tempted to start doing crossword puzzles halfway through it. That overwrought never-ending Castaway where we have to watch him talking to himself for what seems like 4 hours, til he falls in love with a coconut, was the last straw. I know everyone thinks he's this great actor. But he just bores me to tears.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 01:48 PM

Trainspotters. That bathroom scene caused about 1/3 of the audience to get up and leave. I put down my popcorn. Not one I will ever sit through again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 01:20 PM

Naturally it is there for effect.   I don't think it is covering up bad special effects but rather to speedup your heart rate as Wesley said.   Look at Hitchcock's "Psycho" and the famous shower scene. The cuts there had the same effect. Good film makers are going to use the medium to help tell a story - just as a storyteller will use gestures or body movements to tell theirs. No real difference.

Film is perceived motion from a series of stills, and while the human eye cannot distinguish the individual frames at playback, there are some people who can be bothered by the flicker and not realize why. If you are prone to vertigo, you will notice it more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Wesley S
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 01:06 PM

It's like the strobe lights that seem to be in the climax of most monster movies. They're there for two reasons. To cover up bad special effects and to speed up your heart rate so you feel excited.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Amergin
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 01:01 PM

Requiem for a Dream is a fabulously well done movie....but it does make one very uncomfortable watching it....


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 12:57 PM

Interesting comments, Leeneia. I think you're onto something. Yes, present day movies are a sensory bombardment of the viewer. They overdo both the visual and the auditory effects, and that can't help but disturb people's nervous systems.

Maybe it's a form of social conditioning? We might all be guinea pigs in a big giant experiment in control conditioning of a populace here, but not know it.

The same goes for video games. And TV.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Morticia
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 12:31 PM

Trainspotting fits into the brilliant but uncomfortable category for me.

Also what Stilly said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 11:22 AM

Ron, that boosts the topic into an entire new realm--INTOLERABLY STUPID MOVIES. I can't stand to sit and watch nonsense with folks like Adam Sandler and most of Jim Carrey's films. Jackass the Movie will never grace my television screen. Anything with Stephen Segal, most of the Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, or Bruce Willis films don't interest me. My tolerance for films aimed at testosterone-riddled 15 to 27-year-old males is about non-existent.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 09:50 AM

I also have a problem with Star Trek and Star Wars movies. Too much hype and silly stories. I took my kids to see one of the films and I enjoyed a nice snooze.

Violence never bothered me since it is just acting. As long as it is part of the story, I don't mind violence, language or sex. I find it interesting that so many people get bothered by violence, and then when you read some of the nasty posts here on Mudcat you can detect a streak that is not pleasant. Sometimes violence is more than just a physical act, abuse via our words toward each other can be more dangerious in many ways.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 09:35 AM

I have two things to say.

1. I don't think movies reflect our acceptance of brutality. They reflect the values of the people who finance and direct them. If you think about the financing of movies, it certainly seems suspicious. How can Hollywood keep producing expensive films which often lose so much money? What is really going on?

If you Google 'movie financing,' you will find almost nothing. How can this be?

2. We perceive movies two ways. One is the way everybody's been talking about - following the story and the dialogue. The other way is more simple. We also perceive movies as motion, lights, and color. Close your eyes during a movie sometime and notice the frequency with which you are bombarded with brilliant, flashing light. This is not natural.

Movies also contain motion far faster than anything in nature. In some people this causes something like motion sickness. In me, for example. I first read about this in a book about migraine, so I know I am not alone.

Remember the movie 'Room with a View?' There was a scene where Lucy was riding in a horse-drawn cart. In that quiet scene, the sunlight flashing on and off as the trees passed overhead made me feel very bad. So I just closed my eyes till it was over. Yes, I could tell it was over, even with my eyes closed, so brilliant where the flashes of light.

The next time you watch a movie, try not to get involved in the story and monitor your own body instead. You may find that movies are a lot harder on you than you ever knew.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Stu
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 06:23 AM

I remember seeing "The Greatest Story Ever Told" which despite the usual hackneyed Hollywood treatment was fine until Marion Morrison, playing the centurion standing at the foot of the cross delivered the line "truly he was the Son of God" in a manner that caused such convulsions of laughter I thought I was going to wet myself. That one should come with a warning.

The violence seen in movies these days is the film industry holding a mirror up to society and refelecting back our own casual acceptance of brutality along with it's causes and consequences. That's why it's so disturbing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Films I just cannot watch easily!!
From: Amergin
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 01:55 AM

I don't mind shows that have language, or sex, or violence....as long as they are an integral part of the plot....what irritates me is when movies and some tv shows use those just because....with the language the writers are so poor at writing dialogue they cannot write anything more than the word fuck or any of its derivatives. Violence for the sake of violence also irritates me. OOOOOO another car chase....4 millions bullets flying and the bad guys only scratch the hero....yet another object being blown up....whooopdidooo. Then the sex parts when the hero and the woman of the moment fall in love in five minutes and immediately hop right into bed...it's used as a filler to extend the film another 5 or 10 minutes or so....when everyone knows it should only extend the film about 20 seconds...with the scene usually ending up with him getting his face smacked and/or his balls being smashed by her knee.


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