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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Deckman Date: 11 May 08 - 01:53 PM IT'S ALL GOMMA' BE MY FAULT!!! In spite of ALL the bribe money I offered mrs. clinton ... she did NOT resign on Meet The Press today. So, obviously, what ever happens over the next four and a half years will be ALL MY FAULT! I'll start appologising now, but I doubt it will help much! Shuckey Darn! Bob(deckman)Nelson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 11 May 08 - 02:21 PM Of course you found it "wanting" Amos. Baaaaaa.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 11 May 08 - 02:56 PM Don't worry, Bob. We won't blame you. Tim Russert just isn't one of Hillary's favorite people--for a host of reasons--including his pointing out her false jobs prediction in the 2000 campaign for Senator, and most recently his "done" remark. As I noted, perhaps not the best way to win her heart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Charley Noble Date: 11 May 08 - 03:21 PM Janet- Maybe if you administered a test to see how well we've done our homework you'd be satisfied, or not! You may well be right about Obama but I'm still hoping that he will be a neat gain over the Clintons, and way beyond McKain, let alone the Bush gang. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Deckman Date: 11 May 08 - 03:21 PM WHEW! Thank you for that Ron. I feel SO RELIEVED! Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 11 May 08 - 03:34 PM No offense Charley, but your "strategy" for supporting Obama seems pretty pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking, considering the evidence and the facts about Obama's character (ie he isn't as squeaky clean as his supporters, campaign, and the mass media keeps portraying him to be) and his voting record. Not to mention, things like his truly alarming foreign policy speeches & interviews like the one he did with Democracy Now. So, if you are hell bent on encouraging the status quo to remain status quo, and have no qualms about doing it, by all means vote for Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 11 May 08 - 04:06 PM You're welcome, Bob. Now we'll see if I'm to blame when she doesn't bow out right after winning WV. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 11 May 08 - 04:13 PM Janet-- "Pie in the sky"? It's your demands for a presidential candidate which embody that. Reminds me of the Music Man--- "that blend of St. Pat, Paul Bunyan, and Noah Webster you've concocted for yourself, out of your Iowa stubbornness, your Irish imagination, and your library full of books". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 11 May 08 - 06:34 PM Nah. I just refuse to participate in sham elections and political crookery as usual, is all. That you don't like hearing me say that the system is corrupt and the elections & candidates are a sham isn't of concern to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 11 May 08 - 11:09 PM Well, Janet, be sure to let us know when you find an presidential election which meets your high standards. And be sure to tell us which planet you found it on. But your righteous spluttering continues to be entertaining. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Deckman Date: 11 May 08 - 11:55 PM I must admit that today I was truly SURPRISED when hillary didn't quite the race. I told "Bride Judy" that I really didn't think she could be THAT SELFISH! And selfishness is what's it's all about. She'll gladly ruin the democratic party and hand the election to the repubs rather that quit. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 12 May 08 - 07:39 AM I'm guessing she is waiting to win in WV tomorrow, and then bow out on a high note. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 12 May 08 - 08:24 AM Works for me... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Deckman Date: 12 May 08 - 09:45 AM Friends of mine ... yes I actually have a couple ... have been using an interesting phrase for her ... "SHE'S POISENED THE WELL"! Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 12 May 08 - 11:16 AM The jury is still out at to whether she will announce her candidacy for the Green Party as that same time she quits this race, or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Charley Noble Date: 12 May 08 - 01:19 PM Clinton is not going to drop out before the Puerto Rico Primary, Sunday, June 1st. That will give her one more opportunity to rub a little more salt into the Democratic Primary process. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Deckman Date: 12 May 08 - 02:13 PM Charlie ... I don't get it? Doesn't she know that rubbing salt in wounds stings? Bob (still in the Seattle area) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Freethinker Date: 12 May 08 - 05:26 PM She will attempt to go down to a brokered convention. She and Bill will try to twist Superdelegate's arms. Howard Dean has to step in and at least complain if he doesn't have the authority to make the Supers declare. She honestly thinks she still has a chance and will possibly destroy the Democratic Party if she wins. Forget 2012. Former Dems will remember. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 12 May 08 - 05:31 PM On the other hand, the world might be a better place with out it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Genie Date: 12 May 08 - 07:11 PM I'll choose the day after the last primary - what is that, June 6? In any case, I DO NOT want her to officially drop out till after we Oreganos get to vote on May 20. Our primary votes never get to count for anything, so it's nice for a change to have the candidates actually campaigning for our affections up here. :D Of course, since we vote entirely by mail and can send in ballots 3 weeks before the election, Obama and Clinton have already been out here a few times to woo us, so even if Hillary drops out before May 20, her candidacy will have had the effect of bringing the Democratic primary race out here. As long as Hillary quits taking pot shots at the guy who's likely to be our Democratic nominee, I'm fine with her staying in until all the primaries are over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 12 May 08 - 10:15 PM According to Wolfson-- who should know-- Hillary's campaign is already $20 million in debt. It will be interesting to see how far a campaign $20 million in debt can continue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 13 May 08 - 06:58 AM Another loan from Bill??? Boy, Monika is still costin' that boy... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: beardedbruce Date: 13 May 08 - 07:04 AM Re date: November 4th ( or maybe the 5th, if she can get the courts involved) Of course the Democratic Party should pay off all her debts, and pay her back for any "loans' she made to her own campaign. You are obligated to keep her in the manner to which she has become accustomed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 13 May 08 - 07:22 AM Enough with the sexist, irrelevant crap, please. Interestingly, the latest ABC News poll shows overwhelming support among Democratic VOTERS (remember them?) for Clinton to stay in the race all the way to the end. So there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 13 May 08 - 08:14 AM Well, I gueess so, Fantz... Seems that Obama has been on the wrong end of a McCain/McClinton/McMedia gang banging for about the last month... But this is good for him... No, make that, this is great for him!!! Candidates historically have been shielded by their supporters from adversity yet Obam has had to stand in the ring and go toe-to-toe with the Axis of Evil (Mc/Mc/Mc) and it's no wonder that his poll numbers have dropped but... ...with that said politics and life have one thing in common and that is "that which does not kill you makes you stronger"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 13 May 08 - 08:58 AM Bobert, how about you stop using sexist, volatile language like "gang banging" to talk about Obama's legitimate political opponents. For claiming to be a good Christian liberal, you sure sound like an asshole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,pattyClink Date: 13 May 08 - 09:15 AM I was surprised to see most Dem voters (64% I think) want her to stay in, then I did the math: 45% of the voters are Clinton supporters. The other 19% are kind and generous Obama supporters who, like O, want her to exit gracefully after the last primary (and maybe fear more damage if she's not coddled on her way out). That leaves 36% who not only support Obama, but realize the damage she's already done and want it to stop asap. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: beardedbruce Date: 13 May 08 - 09:27 AM 2nd try- Removing sexest language... Re date: November 4th ( or maybe the 5th, if it can get the courts involved) Of course the Democratic Party should pay off all its debts, and pay it back for any "loans' it made to its own campaign. You are obligated to keep it in the manner to which it has become accustomed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 13 May 08 - 10:48 AM Why be so damn touchy, Fantz? You'd prefer "mugging" or perhaps "multiple simultaneous exercise of force-deployment"? Sure, gang-banging is an ugly concept. That's the idea. If you can't take the metaphor, stay out of the language. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 13 May 08 - 11:46 AM "Gang banging" has evolved into a gender neutral generic term... Find something else to "bitch" (joke) about, FtP... B~ p.s. I think you need to get "laid", 'r somethin', FtP... (joke, no make that a "sexist" joke"...) (Oh, Bobert, now you have really lit FtP's fuse and she gonna put a bunch of labels and accusations on ya, son...") Normal... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 13 May 08 - 07:19 PM More than one asshole in this thread, obviously. And you complain about Republicans being beyond the pale? You have become what you claim to hate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 13 May 08 - 09:21 PM In yer dreams, FtP... You not only need to get laid (sexist joke) but one million times more than that you need to get a sense of humor... When I participate in various anti-war demonstrations these days the one thing that reminds me of the 60's is that the younger kids have what we had and that is a sense of humor... We had folks like you back then... They infiltarted out Radical Student Union when we were trying to iron out details for an upcoming demonstartion and they wnated us to drop everything we were about to do because of some injustice that was occuring at the Phillip Morris Tobacco plant down the road... Well, yeah, I'm sure that had we nothing else to do we probably would have taken on the Phillip Morris thing but things were underway for the anti-ear thing and it wasn't in the cards... So they huffed on out calling everyone a bunch of middle class white kids who didn't know jack from jack... That is you, Fantz... You think you have the market cornered in righteousness... Problem is that you don't have any level of humility and you don't have any kind of sense of humor... You would have been those folks who interupted our meeting in the 60's because it made them feel superior in some way... How??? I'll never understand... But there you are, a "martyr with papers in order" passing judegement down upon me... I tell ya' what... Come out from under your cover an' this ol' hillbilly will match you demonstration for demonstration, will most likely outmatch you in community organizing, will match the years I have put in the trenches working with people living in poverty... My life is transparent... Anything I say I have done I can back up with references... You shoot at me like a drive-by shooter... Whatever makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about yourself... But you got you self-importance way outtta wack... You don't know nuthin' about me yet you think you do??? Haha.. Joke is on you... Come out from behind your mask and let go toe-to-toe on what we have done in our lives for the cause... Until then, get a sense of humor and get the heck off yer high horse 'casue yer sermons are as empty as last years bird's nest... Square business... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,CCCLifford Date: 13 May 08 - 09:21 PM When hell freezes over. Psychopaths don't take rejection very easily. Good luck Obama. Not only will be be fightin the Republicans but "sore loser" Hillary working for your defeat so she can run in 2012. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 13 May 08 - 09:37 PM If she does, my projection is, Obama will beat her again. God willin' and the crick don' rize... (Jaysus--I'm beginning to sound like Bobert!!!) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 13 May 08 - 09:52 PM Lotta that goin' 'round, Amos... It ain't fatal... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 13 May 08 - 10:09 PM Bravo, Bobert! You've got Janet pegged. Couldn't have put it any better. Re: Topic As I've suggested earlier, tomorrow would be an absolutely perfect time for Hillary to bow out. She leaves, having won WV handily.--with the spotlight only on her--which it will not be when she wins KY next week--she'll have to share the limelight---an unnatural act for her---since Obama will win OR. "I want to thank the people of West Virginia and all my other supporters across this great country. People of all races and religions who have come through for me so many times.... My only regret is that this time it will be impossible for me to win the nomination and be able to represent you in fighting for your rights in health care, employment rights and so much more. But I want to urge you to support the Democratic nominee, Barack Obama, and give him all the support you have given me...." And so on, doing her best imitation of Sydney Carton--and thereby setting herself up for 2016, if not 2012--and wiping out at a stroke most of the bad feeling her viciously divisive campaign has caused. And if she doesn't do this, she's unlikely to have much support for another run from the very Democratic movers and shakers who originally backed her to the hilt. So the question becomes: will her pride and stubbornness prevent her from seeing her own best long-term interests? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: catspaw49 Date: 13 May 08 - 10:26 PM Lots of talk here.................Butchaknow................Some of you need to step back and look at these states she carries and the attitudes within them. This is what Dean and company should be doing. Primaries are not the general election and who can carry the important states is critical in November. Like it or not I've brought it up here before and been tromped but once again..........The great unwashed populace of the heartland still have problems with race and are more likely to vote for a woman than a black. Interesting article. That attitude is spread across a lot of the land and what might happen within a closed voting booth may not match with what someone speaks outside. Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Indiana, West Virginia..........Lots of others too regardless of the primary win or loss.......These places will go with McCain rather than Obama. The best case scenario for Obama would be if McCain offends the reigninng Repub supporters to the point they stay home or vote for Ron Paul. I like Obama but there is a lot of work ahead for him and no way in hell to get much of the silent racist vote. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 13 May 08 - 11:32 PM Sounds like you boys work for Rush Limbaugh. Why not just start calling here Clinton the Cunt? I mean, we're gang bangin', she is a whore of a 'kept woman'. Come on boys, show us what fine stuff you are made of, and let's keep it going. Let's see if you can rough that bitch up good, just like you know you want to. Slap that bitch. Who does she think she is? Why she just suck my (I'll leave you fine, upstanding Democrats for Obama to fill in the blank here). Way to keep to the ways of Dr. King, there ol' Bobert ol' hillbilly boy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ebbie Date: 14 May 08 - 12:04 AM If you were a man, Fantasia, I'd tell you to clean up your language. Do you talk that way at home? Spaw, one problem is that so many people absolutely hate Hillary Clinton. And it is not only Republicans or the far right or the religious fundamentalists. Senator Clinton's negatives would seem almost insurmountable. On the other hand, Senator Obama seems to evoke more of a bemused response. I'm sure that many people won't vote for him becasue he is Black (Aren't we strange! He is as much White.) but the impression I've gotten is that for most of the racists their fear is not vitriolic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: CarolC Date: 14 May 08 - 12:13 AM Obama may not get the racist vote, but he is bringing a lot of new voters into the process, and there are a lot of Republicans who are supporting Obama this time around (actually supporting - not just voting for him to cause chaos in the Democratic primary). On the other hand, Hillary will bring large numbers of Republicans out to vote against her in the general election. They hate her that much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 14 May 08 - 07:15 AM Eb, I'd bet you that FtP (Fantz the Proclaimer) speaks exactly that way at home... She has a serious anger management problem and this campaign is bringing out the very worse in her... Plas, she has *zero* sense of humor... That is a very bad peronality disorder that does not allow her to see any sunshine, just darkness... In all serious tho, it must really suck being her... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 14 May 08 - 07:57 AM From today's Seattle Times: Obama supporters unwise to attack Hillary Clinton Many in the Barack Obama camp, having outfoxed the apparently not-so-formidable Hillary Clinton machine, can't seem to get the hang of winning gracefully. They feel a need to drive a stake in Hillary Clinton's reputation, then dance. If they were smart, they'd heap praise on Clinton and let her finish out the race, however she chooses to do so. That's sage advice, even though offered by Republican mastermind-turned-pundit Karl Rove. Treat Clinton shabbily, he says, and many of her supporters "will remember it by November." Nonetheless, Obamites are throwing victory parties over the impending defeat of a fellow Democrat who has thus far pulled in more than 47 percent of their party's primary and caucus participants. Some take a more direct approach. In anticipation of the West Virginia primary, college students for Obama were hurling insults at farmers and truck drivers holding signs for Clinton. snip Keep it up Obamamaniacs. You are showing your own true colors, and no one but yourselves are responsible for the way you are conducting yourselves here. Your bad behavior reflects back on your preferred candidate. You would be wise to remember that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 14 May 08 - 09:38 AM Hey, look, lady... You were the first and have been the most vocal and consistent Obvama basher here in Mudville... It's your colors that are showing... Not ours... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: pdq Date: 14 May 08 - 09:54 AM "Many in the Barack Obama camp...feel a need to drive a stake in Hillary Clinton's reputation, then dance. If they were smart, they'd heap praise on Clinton and let her finish out the race, however she chooses to do so. That's sage advice, even though offered by Republican...Karl Rove. Treat Clinton shabbily, he says, and many of her supporters 'will remember it by November.'" If anyone ever listened to Karl Rove they might find him to be a good natured guy with a sense of humor. He knows public relations very well but is not one who engages in the personal destruction of opponants. It is Bill Clinton who must conduct character assasination to win. Most Americans hope Bill will follow Hillary off the public stage when she loses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Teribus Date: 14 May 08 - 10:03 AM According to the Election Poll-Tracker displayed by the BBC The Democrat race for Nomination is as follows: Gallup - Obama 47% - Clinton 46% - Error +/- 3% AP-Ipsos - Clinton 47% - Obama 40% - Error +/- 3% Washington Post - Obama 51% - Clinton 41% - Error +/- 3% Fox - Clinton 44% - Obama 41% - Error +/- 3% I'd say that that is still pretty close, too close for anybody to be throwing in the towel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 14 May 08 - 11:01 AM T: The issue is not the opinion polls; the party needs to choose a candidate, and so far, the delegate count on Obama's side is still over 100+ on Obama's side, and there is no way for her to win that edge back. Number of states, popular votes, still similarly storngly in favor of Obama. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Little Hawk Date: 14 May 08 - 11:23 AM People's comments on this matter will always quite clearly indicate their basic sympathies for or against whoever...because that's the only pair of binoculars they ever look through when they think they are seeing what they call "reality". If the weather was that predictable, you wouldn't even need a weatherman. ;-) And here's the funniest part. They are almost invariable guilty themselves of the very same chauvinistic attitudes they decry in the opposition. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 14 May 08 - 12:36 PM Hey, I don't care if this thing goes to the convention... I really don't... And I'm glad that the Clintons have quit making racially coded comments but the damage was done when they did it in the first place... Now if we could just get the media to follow suit, all will be fine... I don't need to gear them bring up Rev. Wright on a daily basis... The Dem Party doesn't need it either... If McCain's 527's wnat to spend money bringing Rev. Wright into the fray, then fine... Let them spend their money but every time the media says that Rev. Wright is going to ba an issue in the fall it's like $100,000 that the 527's don't have to spend now and will have for the general campaign... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 14 May 08 - 06:18 PM "Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest..." The minute Obama concedes! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 14 May 08 - 06:22 PM 100 |
