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Subject: BS: Beer!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 04:44 PM

From the Washington Post:

Survival of the Sudsiest

By George F. Will
Thursday, July 10, 2008; Page A15

Perhaps, like many sensible citizens, you read Investor's Business Daily for its sturdy common sense in defending free markets and other rational arrangements. If so, you too may have been startled recently by an astonishing statement on that newspaper's front page. It was in a report on the intention of the world's second-largest brewer, Belgium's InBev, to buy control of the third-largest, Anheuser-Busch, for $46.3 billion. The story asserted: "The [alcoholic beverage] industry's continued growth, however slight, has been a surprise to those who figured that when the economy turned south, consumers would cut back on nonessential items like beer."

"Non wh at"? Do not try to peddle that proposition in the bleachers or at the beaches in July. It is closer to the truth to say: No beer, no civilization.

The development of civilization depended on urbanization, which depended on beer. To understand why, consult Steven Johnson's marvelous 2006 book, "The Ghost Map: The Story of London's Most Terrifying Epidemic -- and How It Changed Science, Cities, and the Modern World." It is a great scientific detective story about how a horrific cholera outbreak was traced to a particular neighborhood pump for drinking water. And Johnson begins a mind-opening excursion into a related topic this way:

"The search for unpolluted drinking water is as old as civilization itself. As soon as there were mass human settlements, waterborne diseases like dysentery became a crucial population bottleneck. For much of human history, the solution to this chronic public-health issue was not purifying the water supply. The solution was to drink alcohol."

Often the most pure fluid available was alcohol -- in beer and, later, wine -- which has antibacterial properties. Sure, alcohol has its hazards, but as Johnson breezily observes, "Dying of cirrhosis of the liver in your forties was better than dying of dysentery in your twenties." Besides, alcohol, although it is a poison, and an addictive one, became, especially in beer, a driver of a species-strengthening selection process.

Johnson notes that historians interested in genetics believe that the roughly simultaneous emergence of urban living and the manufacturing of alcohol set the stage for a survival-of-the-fittest sorting-out among the people who abandoned the hunter-gatherer lifestyle and, literally and figuratively speaking, went to town.


To avoid dangerous water, people had to drink large quantities of, say, beer. But to digest that beer, individuals needed a genetic advantage that not everyone had -- what Johnson describes as the body's ability to respond to the intake of alcohol by increasing the production of particular enzymes called alcohol dehydrogenases. This ability is controlled by certain genes on chromosome four in human DNA, genes not evenly distributed to everyone. Those who lacked this trait could not, as the saying goes, "hold their liquor." So, many died early and childless, either of alcohol's toxicity or from waterborne diseases.

The gene pools of human settlements became progressively dominated by the survivors -- by those genetically disposed to, well, drink beer. "Most of the world's population today," Johnson writes, "is made up of descendants of those early beer drinkers, and we have largely inherited their genetic tolerance for alcohol."

Johnson suggests, not unreasonably, that this explains why certain of the world's population groups, such as Native Americans and Australian Aborigines, have had disproportionately high levels of alcoholism: These groups never endured the cruel culling of the genetically unfortunate that town dwellers endured. If so, the high alcoholism rates among Native Americans are not, or at least not entirely, ascribable to the humiliations and deprivations of the reservation system. Rather, the explanation is that not enough of their ancestors lived in towns.

But that is a potential stew of racial or ethnic sensitivities that we need not stir in this correction of Investor's Business Daily. Suffice it to say that the good news is really good: Beer is a health food. And you do not need to buy it from those wan, unhealthy-looking people who, peering disapprovingly at you through rimless Trotsky-style spectacles, seem to run all the health food stores.

So let there be no more loose talk -- especially not now, with summer arriving -- about beer not being essential. Benjamin Franklin was, as usual, on to something when he said, "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." Or, less judgmentally, and for secular people who favor a wall of separation between church and tavern, beer is evidence that nature wants us to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 05:10 PM

I read this column in this morning's New Orleans Tinmes-Picayune. Pretty interesting!

Despite our differences in politcal philosophy, I generally enjoy reading George Will ~ especially when he diverges from politics to write about baseball and, in this case, beer.

Mr. Will is certainly a more worthy successor to the late William Buckley than those lying fearmongers of the airwaves, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, O'Reilly, et. al. (A recent Mudcat thread about Buckley's passing mentioned those assholes as his "successors.")


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 07:22 PM

Burp...


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Beer
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 08:27 PM

Beer!!
Now that is a great handle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: bobad
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 08:36 PM

I'll drink to that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: GUEST,Bob L
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 12:20 PM

But what have InBev and A-B got to do with beer?

I'm talking of real beer, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 01:35 PM

Doesn't InBev own Guinness?


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM

http://www.inbev.com/go/brands/brand_portfolio/global_brands.cfm


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 08:38 PM

"those who figured that when the economy turned south, consumers would cut back on nonessential items like beer.

Nobody with the least knowledge about economics would entertain that nation for a moment. Hard times virtually bring a rise in beer sales.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 08:39 PM

"those who figured that when the economy turned south, consumers would cut back on nonessential items like beer.

Nobody with the least knowledge about economics would entertain that nation for a moment. Hard times virtually always bring a rise in beer sales.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 08:57 PM

I wish I'd said that twice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: GUEST,ron
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 10:08 PM

I would like to be able to purchase Alexander Keith IPA in the usa can any one help


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 04:07 PM

Well, this page (click) says that Alexander Keith IPA is now being exported - from Nova Scotia to British Columbia...

I'm a little disappinted to see that the Leffe beer I enjoyed in France two weeks ago, is a product of InBev. But hey, I liked the beer; so I guess I can't complain.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 05:16 PM

Excellent book. Fun and enlightening.

A History of the World in 6 Glasses, by Tom Standage.

Standage goes into detail about the importance that beer, wine, spirits, coffee, tea, and Coca-Cola have had in the world and how each one of them has had a powerful effect on history.

Case in point:    human beings need water, but because water was often polluted and one could get deathly sick from drinking it, it was consumed in other forms. Beer, wine, and spirits contain alcohol and alcohol kills germs. So these alcoholic beverages were consumed in favor of water to avoid water-borne diseases (not realizing what that what was in the water that caused sickness could be easily eliminated by the simple expedient of boiling the water).

The result of this was that, for centuries, people walked around half swacked most of the time (which may explain a lot about human history).

Then, along came coffee. Discovered, legend says, by an Ethiopian goatherd, taken up by Christian monks in Egypt because it helped keep them from falling asleep during prayers, then refined by the Turks when it eventually percolated that far north. Venetian traders brought it to Europe in the 16th century. The first coffeehouse in Britain, called "The Angel," opened in 1652, not in London, but in Oxford. This is, perhaps, not surprising. After all, Oxford had been a college town since the 12th century. Soon thereafter, coffeehouses began flourishing in London. They swiftly became gathering spots for artists, poets, and philosophers, along with their disciples and groupies.

Because the process of making coffee involved boiling the water, for the first time people were able to safely drink something non-alcoholic. Which they did by the bucketful.

For the first time in many centuries, people were sober, clear headed, and alert, and began looking around them! The result of this was the Age of Enlightenment and the beginning of such things as human rights movements with writings like John Locke's "Treatise on Government." Coffeehouse soon moved to the New World, and coffeehouses opened in Boston and Philadelphia, where people like Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine ("The Rights of Man") hung out, cussing and discussing the state of the world and what should be done about it.

Fascinating book! I highly recommend it.

I'll have that beer now!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 05:36 PM

Come back bring beer!


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 05:47 PM

I was reading a guidebook about Bruges/Brugge in Belgium, where I'm spending a few days this week:

...St Arnold, who founded the Benedictine Abbey of Oudenberge, to the west of Bruges in the 11th century. During a bout of plague, he plunged his cross into a vat of beer, and told people to drink it, instead of water. It was a miracle cure: people started getting better immediately, and St Arnold was made the patron saint of beer.

Here he is on the label of a beer bottle today.

I'll make a point of paying my respects to him this week.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: John J
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 01:21 PM

I stand to be corrected, but I don't think Guinness is real beer, it's keg. (Pasteurised, filtered, and re-gased with finest Carbon Dioxide).

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 02:30 PM

Beautiful, McGrath! Thanks for that tid-bit.

I lift a glass in hommage to St. Arnold!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 02:40 PM

Leffe beer comes in four types, one is brown. Haven't seen it sold in Canada, but Inbev's Beck and Stella Artois are sold in most good stores.
There are good microbrews here (and the larger Big Rock) so haven't drunk any of the big brands lately except Heineken's and Guiness.

Inbev buys Ann's butt? Who cares?


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: annamill
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 02:51 PM

As I said in the other thread, maybe they'll improve the taste!

Annamill (lover of Guiness) even the co2. It's alive in there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: bankley
Date: 17 Jul 08 - 09:11 AM

Leffe can be found in Quebec.... I usually import a dozen or so when I cross the Ontario border.... doesn't last long... 'Bittburger' is also pleasant and available.... discovered it when staying near Bittburg, Germany... Quebec's Robert Charlebois had his own line of beer which were downright kick-ass strong..... 'Le Fin du Monde' 8%, 'Chambly' 11%, hell that's like wine with hops... Once, on vacation, I tried a couple of pints for breakfast... made for a rather long and mellow day..... I once tried to make beer from 'weed'... it wasn't bad... kinda green 'tho... woulda been allright on St.Pat's day... maybe I've said too much already... so the next round is on me......


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: closet-folkie
Date: 17 Jul 08 - 12:51 PM

When I run out of "Fin Du Monde" it feels like the end of the world. Long live Unibroue.
Cheers,
Steve R.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jul 08 - 12:56 PM

I like cold beer mixed with cold ginger ale.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jul 08 - 01:33 PM

Also good mixed with ginger beer, often called shandy, good hot summer day drink. Another combo oft seen in the taverns of Montreal was beer and tomato juice AKA "Red Eye".


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 11:47 AM

"I don't think Guinness is real beer, it's keg"

For those of us in the U.S. who are not beer afficiandos, please keep in mind that when people say "real beer" they are referring to cask-conditioned ale. ALL beer that is brewed in traditional methods would be "real", but the Brits corrupted the definition to refer to one specific style of beer - cask conditioned ale, and some people may be interpretting the inference to be that the hundreds of other styles of beer are less than adequate. That is not the case.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: GUEST,squeezeboxkc
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 01:19 PM

Please differentiate BEER /ALE from the P*ss served up on the other side of the pond that should labour(correct spelling) under the title LAGER LOL don't take me too seriously


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:35 PM

Belgian horse piss.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: topical tom
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 01:55 PM

Some years ago I used to brew my own beer.It was stronger than the commoner boughten beers(7-10 %).What I enjoyed was the ability to brew the beer to my own taste and vary it as desired, pale ale to dark.On a hot summer day, especially after working quite hard, nothing equals a good cold beer(Sorry, UKers!)
I gave up brewing my own because, due to later age and medications, I could not drink enough to make it worthwhile.However, I still drink 2(or 3)beers or 1(or 2) glasses of red wine a day.I choose to believe that this is good for my health and I just simply ENJOY IT!


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 02:01 PM

Lager and ale are both beer types, and I agree - the piss that passed off by the major labels is revolting, it is not what a REAL LAGER should be!!!

The "piss" is higher in alchol and less in flavor than what you refer to as real beer(ale). You can drink more and at the higher alchol content you get really stupid. It is also cheaper.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: PoppaGator
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 03:44 PM

I recall beer + tomato juice being called an "Omaha" or "Omaha coktail." I suppose that means that it's popular, or was once popular, in Nebrtaska as well as in Montreal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 03:54 PM

On "The New Red Green Show" (a Canadian television show that one of my local PBS affiliates plays in the late evenings), during the Possum Lodge word game, Red is feeding clues to Ranger Gord. The secret word is "water."
Red:    This is something that everybody drinks.
Gord:   Beer!
Red:    No, this has no taste.
Gord:   Ah! American beer!
Re: American beer. The major labels are watery slop, but within recent years some of the microbreweries have been turning out some pretty good stuff. The first one I encountered was produced locally and it went be the name, "Ballard Bitter." [Ballard is a district in northwest Seattle, and is historically a hotbed of Scandinavian immigrant loggers and fishermen. In the center of the Ballard business district is Bergen Square. Some blocks north is the Nordic Heritage Museum. A statue of Leif Erickson looks out over Shilshole Bay.]   Under the logo on the Ballard Bitter label is, "Ya, sure, you betcha!"

Ballard Bitter would really take the hair off your teeth, but for some reason I haven't been able to find it lately. I'm experimenting, trying to find a good replacement for it, and I'm happy to say that as long as I stick to the microbrews, I've found some pretty good stuff. A current favorite is produced by the Big Sky Brewing Company in Missoula, Montana. It's called "Moose Drool". There are a few others I'd like to try if I can get my hands on them, such as "Dark Lord" and "Devil-Over-a-Barrel."

Skøl!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 05:28 PM

Ballard Bitter would really take the hair off your teeth, but for some reason I haven't been able to find it lately.

Well, if it's that bad, it's not surprising. Beer isn't supposed to do stuff like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer!
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 08:41 PM

You prefer hairy teeth!??

Don Firth


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