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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Allan Conn Date: 16 May 11 - 04:22 PM "So all they have to do now Allan is Govern and Govern successfully" Well of course that is true but they already have been governing for 4 years. As to the finances well they are restricted to what the funding is - they can only decide where they direct it. So it depends on who the people of Scotland choose to blame for tightening purse strings. The Scottish Executive or a Tory government in Westminster actually controlling overall spending. I wouldn't think the Nats would necessarily take all the flak. I think it is a sensible option to look for more fiscal autonomy by strengthening the Scotland Bill first. We all know in the end that it is the people of Scotland who will decide if they go for actual independence or not. The Nats understand that. They are democrats. But I think whatever happens decentralisation will increase further. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: akenaton Date: 16 May 11 - 05:41 AM Keep wishing for the sky to fall Teribus. That was Ian Greys plan....and look what happened to him. :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 16 May 11 - 04:51 AM So all they have to do now Allan is Govern and Govern successfully, although they daren't raise taxes as that will lose them votes and drive industry, commerce and investment away. They have lots of "stuff" promised the electorate to pay for. They now have to find the money - They won't get it from Westminster and they won't get it from Europe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Allan Conn Date: 15 May 11 - 06:13 AM As someone has already stated it is now so much more than a Glasgow earthquake. Yes labour has lost it's automatic election in west-central Scotland - but the SNP are now truly a Scotland wide party. You used to mainly see the yellow shaded constituencies in the eastern Lowlands above the central belt but now they are strong virtually everywhere. Even in the four, for want of a better word, Borders constituencies, that is the three across the south plus Midlothian Tweeddale and lauderdale,then if you add the combined votes together the SNP are the most popular party. That would have been unthinkable just a few years ago. The Lib Dems may still have a hold on the northern isles but now taking the independents aside the Nats are clearly the party in second place there too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Allan Conn Date: 15 May 11 - 06:02 AM "Why the second half?" Salmond has been absolutely open about it. In the election campaign he made it clear that if they were in a position to bring a referendum forward (which now for the first time they clearly are) then it would be in the second half of the parliament. So he is doing exactly what he said he would. Why the second half? That again seems pretty clear to me. Firstly he has openly stated that his initial objective is to strengthen the Scotland Bill. That is to bring more fiscal autonomy to Scotland. Seems sensible to hedge your bets. Secondly as you have pointed out generally a minority of Scots say they'd support independence. it normally amounts to about 30% or so - though of course that doesn't mean the other 70% all opppose it. The issue though has never been properly debated in either Holyrood or the Scottish media. Salmond no doubt wants time to put his arguments properly to the people and I dare say he thinks a proportion of those not supporting independence would be open to persuasion. I suspect he is right in that many Scots would favour it but have a fear of change! I suspect that unionist politicians know that too - hence we had the sight of unionists who had been actively blocking the referendum throughout the last 4 years of the minority SNP administration suddenly stating that the referendum 'must' be held straight away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 15 May 11 - 05:30 AM We will see Akenaton come the referendum - If it ever actually takes place that is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: akenaton Date: 15 May 11 - 05:20 AM If the Union is so keen to cast Scotland adrift Teribus, why are Conservative, Labour, and Liberal Parties so intent on undermining the SNP and their bid to make Scotland a free nation once again? They have been fighting the idea of Scottish Independence for decades and of late have been forced to give back more and more powers to the Scottish devolved government. Unfortunately for you and other military minded Unionists, the days of colonialism and imperialism are over......wake up and smell the porage Teribus.....We're on the move, and there's nothing like a bit of Teribus on toast to start the day! :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 15 May 11 - 03:39 AM "Mr Salmond and his team will need all their considerable strength to get the facts before the people of Scotland" Ehmm No Akenaton, what Mr Salmond and his team have to do over the next five years is govern Scotland and find ways of paying for all the things that they have promised the electorate but know they do not have the funds to implement. That will take considerable strength and skill which the SNP was sadly deficient in demonstrating during the term of the last Scottish Parliament. The tactic will be to say to the people of Scotland, "Sorry pal, we can't do these things because Westminster won't allow us to, they won't give us the money". Should Salmond get his tax raising powers watch two things happen stagnation and recession in Scotland and a virtual shut down of the North Sea. "..an invasion in the "national interest" Ha bloody ha, who would he get to invade Scotland? Left to the "English" Akenaton Scotland would be cast adrift and independent tomorrow - it's the Scots who don't want Independence (now or in two and a half years time) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: akenaton Date: 14 May 11 - 06:24 PM The NEW COALITION of Auld Tories(Conservatives) and Rid Tories(Labour) are already at work in the media attempting to sabotage the political will of the Scottish electorate. Mr Salmond and his team will need all their considerable strength to get the facts before the people of Scotland, when faced by the UK media machine and every Unionist Party Alex is a shrewd operator and will choose his time , he now holds all the aces, but I fully expect warmonger Cameron to use all the dirty tricks at his disposal. Would an invasion in the "national interest" be too far fetched?....we shall see. :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 14 May 11 - 05:37 PM "Sectarianism, especially in the west of Scotland is historic and was rooted in working class politics" Utter bullshit. "By the way, Alex Salmond has promised in his pre election manifesto, and repeated many times since, that a referendum will be called during the second half of his term in office." Why the second half? Does he hope that his Party's incompetence in Government and the fact that the SNP cannot deliver on what it promised can be blamed on Westminster? He must take the population of Scotland to be complete and utter fools. Interesting times ahead, I look forward to seeing what happens. Fact is Salmond has his working majority now - he cannot blame anyone else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Jim McLean Date: 14 May 11 - 12:57 PM I agree with you Akenaton, I think Teribus hijacked the original intention of this thread for a bit of Scots bashing. I wrote a song called "Forget the Old Orange and Green" about 45 years ago and, with some dreadful exceptions, the people are listening. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: akenaton Date: 14 May 11 - 11:25 AM Some mair "Scotch" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: akenaton Date: 14 May 11 - 10:57 AM What the fuck has this to do with the Scottish Nationalists being elected by a landslide? Sectarianism, especially in the west of Scotland is historic and was rooted in working class politics, both Conservatives and Labour blatantly used the sectarian card to consolidate their support. I have never heard religious prejudice used by anyone associated with Scottish Nationalism.......It has always been the preserve of rabid Unionists or the Labour local government mafia. I have been voting Nationalist for a few years now, as I see an Independent Scotland as becoming clear of association with UK global warmongering and Unionist sectarianism. Thankfully, as I stated earlier, even the most "tribal" areas of Glasgow have been transferring their allegiance the the SNP. I think they have finally sussed "the old divide and rule" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 14 May 11 - 08:24 AM John we have more football hooligans in England than any place on earth. But a manager spitting on the other teams colours. Shouting, Come on! You Orange bastards! What are the authorities thinking of? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: GUEST,John MacKenzie Date: 14 May 11 - 08:14 AM Al, it's been going on for too many years. There have been people murdered in cold blood, just because they wore the 'wrong' team colours. It's one of the many reasons I hate football, and also why I left the west of Scotland. Believe me, there is nothing scarier than being approached by some big neanderthal and his mates, and being asked the 5 scariest words in the Scots language, "Whit team dae ye support?" You just know, you're in for a kicking, nine times out of ten. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 14 May 11 - 06:14 AM The neil lennon affair is just beyond belief. God knows we have some idiots and arseholes in England, but I CANNOT believe inflammatory behaviour like his has been tolerated on the British mainland. Compare and contrast the way Glen Hoddle got the sack for being non PC - not even a threat to public order. The threads called Glasgow earthquake and Scotland had better get on to dealing with the situation before one of the nail bombs get through. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 14 May 11 - 05:04 AM Nice one Al ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Jim McLean Date: 14 May 11 - 04:51 AM If you are correct, Alan Whittle, then I can only just shake my head in utter disbelieve in such murderous bigotry ... and wonder what it has to do with this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 13 May 11 - 06:12 PM I think it was a reference to the number of casualties one peace loving Scotsnman was hoping to cause by sending an explosive device to a famous football manager. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Jim McLean Date: 13 May 11 - 02:52 PM Teribus, I'm sure Mudcatters can read what has been posted but I'm afraid I don't understand your last post "200 Up!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 13 May 11 - 01:33 PM 200 Up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 13 May 11 - 01:33 PM "From Teribus "To Jim McLean if you are going to raise hypothetical argument......" then he proceeds to fill his post with hypothetical statements/questions!! Aw please Jim if you are going to quote me please have the integrity and honesty to complete the whole sentence: "To Jim McLean if you are going to raise hypothetical arguments put them in the correct timeline Makes a bit of a difference don't you think?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Jim McLean Date: 13 May 11 - 04:47 AM From Teribus "To Jim McLean if you are going to raise hypothetical argument......" then he proceeds to fill his post with hypothetical statements/questions!! By the way, Alex Salmond has promised in his pre election manifesto, and repeated many times since, that a referendum will be called during the second half of his term in office. If he doesn't then I will be the first to aplogise to Teribus and when Salmond does, I hope he, Teribus, will be courteous enough to do the same. Salmond's previous attempt at setting up a referendum was blown sky high by the opposition parties who said they would vote against it and, having a minority government, Salmond had no choice but to abandon it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 12 May 11 - 06:15 PM To Jim McLean if you are going to raise hypothetical arguments put them in the correct timeline 1. Independence was rejected at the last Referendum (1975 I think) 2. Had Salmond put it to the vote during the term of the last Parliament as he promised to the result would have been a resounding NO - (He promised a vote by 2010 and the banks crashed when? - two years before so what oil revenues would Scotland have had???) By the bye it's not Scotlands oil - take a look at the charts the oil is nearly all off Shetland - Now go and ask a Shetlander or someone from Orkney if they regard themselves as Scottish. If you as a Scot call out for independence and the right of self determination, then you can hardly deny others the same right. As I said previously if given that chance I'd advise them to campaign for a return to Norway - It will automatically bring them into the fold of one of the richest country's in the world with one of the highest standards of living. If Scotland wishes to follow suit just remember this Norway's oil wealth does not go to pay for idle f**kers to sit on their arses on the dole, it means that everybody has a personal number without which you get nothing (and I mean nothing) it makes it extremely easy to keep track of tax (No avoidance or evasion of tax in Norway - each year they publish what tax everybody pays in the papers for all to see) A population of only 5 million is a piece of cake for a computer. How about the basic rate of tax Jim? Do you think a basic rate of 38% would be welcomed by the population of Scotland?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 12 May 11 - 06:01 PM "but we needn't worry as most of your opinions on this thread have been miles wide of the mark." Pray tell me when that promised referendum supposed to have taken place?? It might, JUST MIGHT, make my original predicted 10 year deadline but I somehow doubt it, as Salmond and every other SNP member of the SNP knows that if they go to the country tomorrow there will be NO Scottish Independence. Now just sit back and watch these clowns completely bugger it up - If you thought that Gordon of Cartoon was bad - You ain't seen nothin' yet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: akenaton Date: 12 May 11 - 05:02 PM CMG would be smiling today.....don't you think so, Jim? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: akenaton Date: 12 May 11 - 04:58 PM Excellent article Jim, and Simon Jenkins is a really nice person. I've received several E'mails from him over the years, in response to my comments on his work. Not a believer in "big government"! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Jim McLean Date: 12 May 11 - 04:47 PM It's quite ironic, really, but if Scotland HAD been independent when the Bank bust up happenend, there would have been enough money from North Sea oil in the coffers to handle the crisis, just as Norway did. The Westminster government squandered the revenue with poor investment and, it must be emphasised, Scotland did and does not have full fiscal control hence the reason why the Treasury stepped in, the Treasury whose money comes from Scottish tax payers as well as English. It is a fact that Scotland contributes more to the Treasury than it receives back. Simon Jemkins had a good article in Friday's Guardian (11th May 2011), well worth looking up. Simon Jenkins |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: akenaton Date: 12 May 11 - 01:12 PM Well Teribus, your opinions are interesting only in their meanspiritedness.....but we needn't worry as most of your opinions on this thread have been miles wide of the mark. There is a real change afoot in this country, as anyone with one ounce of common sense can see, the massive swing to the Nationalists came from every part of the political spectrum.....Tory, Labour, Liberal voters....Socialists, Conservatives, even the sectarian extremes whom I never visualised turning away from their beloved Union Jack, seem to have decided to live for the present and the future instead of the dark and blood-soaked past. Why dont you come out of your foxhole and join us Teribus, see what it feels like to be a real Scot, not an apologist for the warmongering Union! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: goatfell Date: 12 May 11 - 12:51 PM labour rubbish snp good |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 12 May 11 - 11:52 AM "Onward to Independence!! - I very much doubt it, as I very much doubt that Salmond will call his referendum in 2010. The SNP must actually dread it, because irrespective of the results of the next Scottish Assembly elections, a referendum on Independence will decide if the SNP can continue to exist as a political party because that referendum will be a vote of support for that political party's core belief and aim - A fully independent Scotland. If the people of Scotland say NO, as I think they will, then the SNP have absolutely no mandate to Govern Scotland. Said back in 2008 and guess what?? There was no Referendum on independence as promised. No real need to worry there because that is now the established norm from "Professional" Politicians, there have been a number of very significant and important promises to hold referenda on equally significant and vitally important issues and all promises have been universally ignored and reneged upon. I look forward with interest to see if Mr.Salmond will deliver on his promised referendum on Independence in the life of THIS Parliament - Let's just say I am not holding my breath. The sums do not look good, yet with his "majority" Alex Salmond has to deliver in the real world, my guess it will be a complete and utter unmitigated disaster. The greatest obstacle to Scottish Independence? Peoples memories of the Royal Bank of Scotland and the Bank of Scotland and what would have happened had Scotland been "Independent" when they crashed. Judging by their manifesto (SNP's that is) financially astute they are not, here's hoping they do get the powers they say they need - They will make a complete and utter arse of it and drive away business as most have predicted, no problem to the likes of Ake et al, they never intended working in this newly Independent Scotland anyway. My advice to the Orkney and Shetland Islander's start canvassing now for your return to Norway should Scotland vote for Independence (best thing that could happen to you) Another thing stated previously - If Alex Salmond wants independence for Scotland then his bet bet is to get the English to vote for it - it would be a racing certainty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Date: 12 May 11 - 11:08 AM Many thanks, Jim McLean. These facts and figures should be publicized again and again. The manipulation (to put it mildly) with regard to revenue from oil in the North Sea was one of the reasons Jim Sillars left the Labour Party some thirty years ago, once he'd risen to a "salary grade" which made him privy to knowledge of this particular deception. On another tack, I saw Jeremy Paxman on BBC last night being characteristically rude to Nicola Sturgeon (he's a particularly abrasive television journalist, in the Robin Day mould, she's the Deputy leader of the S.N.P.). Among other things, she was asked about whether an independent Scotland would be a Monarchy. To my own disappointment (although I know it's long been the position of the S.N.P.) she said it would, that the current Queen would continue as Head of State, whereupon Paxman interrupted again, saying, "Have you asked her?" The notion that any territory would willingly be surrendered by any member of this most rapacious, mean, vulgar, contemptible nest of usurpers is in itself laughable. The issue of currency also arose (whether Scotland would retain the Pound Sterling or change to the Euro). In this regard, as long ago as 2002 or 2003, I was told, in casual conversation, by a Japanese Economic Analyst or Advisor or Policy-Maker or Strategist (etc.), that the majority opinion among businesses she dealt with was that Scotland would be using the Euro before England. Interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Jim McLean Date: 11 May 11 - 11:51 AM Have a look here The big lie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Date: 11 May 11 - 11:26 AM Although the Scots concept of Sovereignty is indeed that it resides in the people, it was dispiriting to hear MSPs (Members of the Scottish Parliament) taking an oath of fealty to the current Queen and to her heirs and successors. Mind you, as Thomas Paine put it, the difference between a republican and a courtier is that one of them "thinks Monarchy IS something; the other knows that it is nothing" (but knows that his own self-interest demands that the "juggle" be kept going). The Scottish National Party, even with a minority administration during the previous term, managed to put through a number of measures which have demonstrably been to the benefit of many people, among the most prominent being a progressive reduction and then cancellation of "prescription fees", thus bringing the National Health Service closer to the intention of Beveridge and Bevan than any UK government did during the last half-century. What they will achieve with an absolute majority is for the future to see and The People of Scotland to judge (I capitalize that phrase because almost every sentence spoken by a politician here contains it at least once!). I see it's nearly three years since I wrote (above) about how here in Scotland we have to argue for Indepedence whereas every other nation recognises this as the proper way of things; no doubt there will be much bleating of the "too poor a country to make it on our own" variety in the next three. As Edward Said put it, in any colonised country there's always an elite which identifies its interests as lying with the colonizer rather than the rest of the population. As Steve Biko put it, among the most effective weapons an oppressor has is the mind of the oppressed. As someone - perhaps a voter questioned by a journalist - put it during this election campaign, the SNP has already "done no' bad", which in Scottish terms is high praise indeed. Aye, we're a dour folk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: akenaton Date: 11 May 11 - 03:04 AM Teribus...."Doesn't alter the fact that when given the opportunity to vote for the Scottish Nationalist Party and it's Independence agenda only one person in five of those eligible to vote do so." I would be interested to hear your views on the Scottish political landscape post election, T. What a great chance for Scots to inject some positive elements into modern society, but we must not fall into the trap of thinking that independence will provide a "free meal ticket". Given inspiration any thing is possible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Gutcher Date: 08 May 11 - 07:49 AM Since the events in Japan when the dangers of having nuclear power stations was exposed, given that they have to be situated close to a plentiful supply of water, many people have stated that an earthquake of such a magnitude could not happen in Europe..These people either do not know or choose to ignore that a tragedy of a greater magnitude wiped out Lisbon in the year 1755 killing in the immediate area 30000 to 40000 people with thousands more in the wider area. A five foot high wave hit the eastern seaboard of the Americas and strangest of all a ten foot high wave swept the length of Loch Ness, an inland loch in Scotland. Long may the SNP oppose the siting of these lethal structures on our soil and when we finally regain full control of our own affairs the first step should be the removal of the weapons of mass destruction from the Clyde estuary. It will be interesting to watch the infighting among the NIMBYS among our southern neighbours, who support nuclear WMD, when this comes to pass, we having being given no choice in the siting of these WMD in the first instance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: akenaton Date: 08 May 11 - 03:36 AM Big news indeed Gargoyle. This massive vote of confidence given to Mr Salmond and his team, puts a completely different slant on the replacement of Trident and the use of nuclear power to provide energy to Scotland. Maybe at last we will begin to recognise the need to reduce energy production if we are to survive Mr Salmond has plans for wind, hydro and wave energy production, but most importantly we must be convinced of the need for energy reduction.....with all the far reaching effects that it will have on how future society will be constructed. I think and hope that the Scottish people are becoming sick of "consumerism" and the reducing of our young people to lifelong redundancy......the inspiration of serving our own historic nation may break the mould of the "we just couldn't give a fuck" ideology. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 07 May 11 - 09:27 PM Boy - this BIG NEWS was buried deep.
There was a temptation to start a new thread.
The relationships between current royal affairs and banking and Scotland and the election.
Sincerely,
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Gutcher Date: 07 May 11 - 10:56 AM Anent a Scottish referendum Our southern neighbours may not be aware of the fact but here in Scotland sovereignty lies with the people, not with the Crown or the Westminster government. This was confirmed in a court ruling in the early 1950s and as far as I am aware this is still the legal position and has been for many centuries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Jim McLean Date: 07 May 11 - 06:02 AM It was interesting to hear comments from some people who voted SNP but didn't want Independence (Election to the Scottish parliament, 2011). Many answers were in the line of "we're too poor" and "we couldn't have coped with the bank crash" but it has to be pointed out that Scotland does not have full fiscal control. Norway escaped the full force of the the global economic collapse by having control of its North Sea oil revenue and handling it wisely. The Westminster government squandered the money and once the Scottish people realise we have a rich country (sending more to the UK coffers in tax than we receive back in a block grant) then Independence is on the cards. Salmond is right to wait a couple of years before a referendum, hoping to raise the confidence level of the Scotish people. Another cry one hears from English Labour is that without the Scottish Labour MPs, England could have a permament Tory majority. This is called democracy and it's up to the English people to decide who governs them, not rely on Scottish Labour voters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: akenaton Date: 06 May 11 - 05:24 PM Ah well....perhaps a little delayed, but the "earthquake" has enveloped the whole country. Mr Salmond and his Nationalists have swept to power in a "landslide" Labour and Liberals have been wiped out over the whole of Scotland Mr Salmond has also promised a referendum on whether or not Scotland should leave the UK......we are on the move.....no more shameful wars. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Rasener Date: 08 Nov 08 - 07:27 AM Maybe Brown is being groomed to become Scotland's Prime Minister. If that happens, I sure hope he does a better job than down in England. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Jim McLean Date: 08 Nov 08 - 07:11 AM Teribus, it's the people who actually vote who should be recognised, not those eligible. If we get into a statistics discussion we could show many examples where a small percentage of those eligible to vote in UK elections decided the outcome. I would agree that the majority of Scots would reject total independence at the moment. It will take time to instill more confidence in the Scottish people. After all a Scottish 'Parliament' would have been considered impossible just a few years ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Terry McDonald Date: 08 Nov 08 - 06:04 AM Yup, one of those lovely ironies - given the chance, the English would vote for Scots independence but the Scots would reject it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Rasener Date: 08 Nov 08 - 05:58 AM This all gets on my tits. I wish the Scots would get independance, they seem to get everything else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 08 Nov 08 - 05:56 AM Doesn't alter the fact that when given the opportunity to vote for the Scottish Nationalist Party and it's Independence agenda only one person in five of those eligible to vote do so. If the "Nats" really believe that Scotland supports their cause then have a referendum on it - then abide by the result. I have no doubt whatsoever that the result would be a resounding NO to independence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Jim McLean Date: 08 Nov 08 - 05:42 AM In spite Brown's appearance, breaking with convention, and bringing up the big guns coupled with some negative campaigning, some of which were down right lies, plus the credit crunch which could be seen as Brown's Falklands,the SNP increased its share of the vote by over 60% and there was a swing to them from Labour of nearly 5%. I would consider this a great achievement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 07 Nov 08 - 12:57 PM "Polls from the constituency (Glenrothes) are showing a massive swing to SNP a victory of 5000 is being quoted." - Akenaton. "The result of this election (Glenrothes) should silence Teribus's jibe that Glasgow East was a "Mid term protest vote" - Akenaton Well didn't quite turn out that way did it Ake?? And guess what percentage of the total electorate in the constituency voted SNP Akenaton - 19%, which sort of confirms their earlier performances - 22% in Scottish Assembly elections; 18.2% in Glasgow East and now 19% in Glenrothes - that also backs up what I said before only 1 person in 5 in Scotland supports SNP when given the opportunity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Teribus Date: 07 Nov 08 - 10:37 AM Refresh |
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Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake! From: Ebbie Date: 23 Sep 08 - 07:03 PM Very entertaining thread. Some of it reminded me forcefully that I do not understand the clever use of irony, satire and just plain tongue-in-cheek-ness. The only thing that comes through clearly is that real affection is being expressed, such as with: "Not an indication of any real back-bone, honesty or integrity to be found in any of you, the lot of you are more to be pitied than censured." I plan to utilize that little gem as soon as the moment presents itself. But this one I am most fond of: "Another one that might be applicable Kevin - Kippers - Normal appearance yellow, two-faced and gutless." Ah! Bless us all! That nuance I do understand. |
