BS: US of A Election

Subject: BS: US of A Election
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 09:33 PM

Obama, MacCain, Clinton, yada, yada.

The boring and overly extended lead up to the internal US of A election dominates the western news. (Even extended coverage of a party convention, where the leader is already chosen, gets prinme time space. Figure that one out).

While important to Americans, and possibly somewhat importtant to some Global Nations, are there not more important, more mentally stimulating and more interesting World news stories out there?

Is the Western media becomming increaingly controlled by US of A government/media interests? Even the BBC and CBC (not to mention Mudcat:) seems to give an increasingly large amount of time to this over-extended "election soap opera".

Or,are the media and reporters just getting lazy?

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 09:40 PM

Yeah its getting old alright no matter where you look. That's why I'm so glad you started yet another gawdamn thread about it. The 1792 threads currently available just wouldn't do would they?

Yeah, I know Ed......Happens to the best of us.............

Spaw (;<))

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 09:47 PM

Thanks catspaw49, for bringing the 1792 up. Here is some 1792 topics that are more interesting than the US of A election.
(But, watching paint drying may be more interesting)
http://www.brainyhistory.com/years/1792.html

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 09:52 PM

Bread and circuses.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 10:01 PM

I didn't know US elections could be so important to the world, until the blunder of 2000.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 10:14 PM

Uh, we COULD eat cake.....

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 10:14 PM

They became important when Teddy Roosevelt figured out how to use a big stick.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: olddude
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 10:21 PM

Spaw got it right, any chance we can close some of these or combine some of them with all due respect. Not wishing to offend anyone but we do have a bunch and I am guilty of contributing over and over

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: olddude
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 10:22 PM

and I promise not to open anymore stupid food threads cross my heart

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 10:34 PM

There are some folks who start a thread when a previously damned near unheard of politician from Podunk, Kentorkia tells a boring joke. I guess it mirrors the fact that our 'news' programs have little to discuss so they re-hash the same crap or get the scoop on the the boring joke story. Some people care. I don't know who, besides the people doing the talking or typing, but somebody must. At least on Mudcat, people generally reply.

Olddude, sorry, but none of this stuff is important or permanent enough to do the work involved in combining threads. Some may die out eventually. In my case, I hardly ever read any of the political threads. Most of them seem to be same people/same shit/different day.

I LIKE your food threads.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 10:34 PM

Of course, I have a serious hot dog problem now, and it's your fault.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Beer
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:09 PM

Go Beau Biden
beer (adrien)
Hi Jeri.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: M.Ted
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:14 PM

Sorry EdT, I am an American--It is important to me. If it isn't important to you, sorry-

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Amos
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:16 PM

Sorry to disagree, guys, but although there are HUGE amounts of chaff and bull being thrown out from the peanut gallery, the fact remains this is a critical passage in opuor history and a critical election. Those who demean it do so out of understandable boredom with the non-news. But today's coverage at the DNC, live, reminded me how important these choices can be. A lot of history is standing in line to come down on the upshot of this spin of the wheel, and if we value our sanity and our grandchildren's lives, we'd do well to make it happen for the DNC ticket.

The alternative is a miasma of more hatred and more failure.



A

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: olddude
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:19 PM

Well since this thread is open I will say Joe Biden hit it out of the park ... My gosh was he great ...

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Beer
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:22 PM

I'm not an American but like most Canadians I follow what is happening. Very well said Amos. Even though I have no say.
Adrien

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:30 PM

Amen to that, Amos. This is an incredibly important time in our history and it does effect the world just as the negative of the shrub has effected the world. I am glad there has been so much coverage of the DNC. I am glad I've been able to watch it on Cspaw (that's a typo, I decided to leave!) without the talking heads. I do think the media need to shut up with their take on things and learn how to just report the news.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Barry Finn
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:35 PM

Weither or not one is an American, what America does in the world effects everyone. You only need to look at what Bush has done in the last 8yrs to know that the world is effected by who runs this nation. Pray that we don't unlease another rabid dog to wreck havoc outside our borders again.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: GUEST,MarkS(on the road)
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:39 PM

I thought this was going to be a thread on the 1792 election.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:47 PM

Say, why not move the Hot Dog thread? Better yet, since you can never have too many hot dog threads, we could make this another instead of an election one.

Most of you here at the 'Cat did not spend a lot of your life's weekends at various racetracks as both a spectator amd a participant. I've eaten dogs at racing facilities ranging from Indianapolis to assorted short tracks, both dirt and pavement, across the midwest to road courses from Atlanta to Connecticut to New York and Minnesota. No matter where you go, almost at every one the good ol' dog is the cheapest sorta' real food on the menus of the concession stands.

With that being true, I judge the value of a hot dog and the track by the condiments available. If for instance the dogs are not available with coney sauce and the condiments come in tiny plastic pouches, this track sucks. I don't care if it has a great racing surface or national prominence, the condiments make the meal and with those silly little packets you can't get enough on a dog to get full or even a decent case of food poisoning!

Now let me tell you what IS right. If I find a track with fairly decent dogs, I check the condiments. And that means a condiment table! With or without flies they are the only thing worthwhile. Plus on a truly good one you'll find 2 different mustards, relish, ketchup, onions......and on the very best ones, sauerkraut! Now you buy your CONEY dogs (often 2 for as little as 3-4 dollars) and then go load them down with heavy applications of relish and onions and kraut along with the mustards to bulk it up. And then......and only in the past 10 years has this been available (thanks to Nachos) you ask if the vendor will top them off with a bit of cheese sauce. Believe it or not, most will happily do so.

You now have a serious meal on your plate that started out as two pathetic little dogs. You need to be sure there are plenty of napkins available as well as "sporks" or spoons or forks since these hot dogs have now gone beyond any means of eating them with your hands.

Four bucks and you got yourself a real meal you can eat to the sounds of screaming engines and tires, smells of hot asbestos, hot rubber, and burning methanol, and the occasional squeal of brakes and the thunks and sounds of a crash. On the best days you also remembered to take some Zantac prior to arriving and have a pocket full of Rolaids and/or Tums.   

Life doesn't get much better than that!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Beer
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:50 PM

Barry Finn you are very correct. I was not in that thinking when I wrote the above note. Pray God that who ever gets elected that it is in the realm of Peace.
Adrien

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:51 PM

Oh well................too late..................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: olddude
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 11:55 PM

Spaw
you are a cultured man of Peace !! If everyone ate the dog we would not need political threads. Your description made me want to try my grill again, but this late at night it would give me the "wind" again and I would have to start another fart thread so I guess I will just have to dream of the weiners with kraut on them ...

Dan

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: M.Ted
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 12:05 AM

Seriously--I really enjoy the conventions--it is a sort of theatre, in the same way that professional wrestling is theatre, though perhaps not as believable.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 12:05 AM

This is only the second time in history when a black man got a delegate vote to be President of the United States.

Frederick Douglas got one vote to be President in the 1860's

But this is more than historic, it is a step toward a future without the stranglehold of miliary machines and corrupt financial banks.
The military bank church triumverent always forged a greedy future for themselves by marginalizing all but a few select wealthy citizens and media mavens.

In my mind the last time we were this close was with Bobby, not Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 12:11 AM

Let me jump on the donkey with y'all. This is a very important election process for the USA and the one way we can know beforehand what has a chance to happen in future is to pay attention now.

Besides which, it's interesting.

I might add that this election is also important to the rest of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: olddude
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 12:14 AM

And
my kid told me they had hot dog vendor's on the street outside the convention center !!! Now how could it get any better

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 12:26 AM

*sigh* Make mine soy.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Barry Finn
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 12:48 AM

That wasn't a "hot dog" guy, that was a "adult toy" vendor & it wasn't a 'bun' either.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: olddude
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 01:13 AM

Barry
OMG , I better call them and tell them not to eat anything there ... Oh boy thanks for the heads up

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Barry Finn
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 01:44 AM

Don't say a word, "let them eat cake", while they can.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:36 AM

OK, so who gets to be president of the US of A is important to World politics, as is who leads China and Russia.

I suspect it is also important (to some) whether a rich and connected black man or a rich and connected white man leads the US of A. I also suspect some have been interested if the canoidate would be a woman, and also if her husband supports a black man (loeading his party) or white man (in another party).

But, the vote covers a day. Why two years of the minor "soapy" stuff dominating the news? News means "news" to me. Is nothing else of importance happening around the world?

Looked at objectively, much of this Democratic convention hype is more soapy Coronation Street content than news.

Who will lead the democrats is set in stone. This is not "news" no matter how you pitch it.

So, why hours and hours of detailed coverage each day? (Did Hillory scratch her butt when Obama's wife spoke? Did Bill really mean what he said?)

It's truly much about soap to me.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 12:50 PM

Were I you and felt as you do I would stop watching, reading and listening. Have a listen to your CD collection instead- this too shall pass.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 12:59 PM

Ed T., Here is a strategy for you. If you can find something important thing that is happening elsewhere in the world, start yourself a thread and talk about it.

In the meant time starting a USA election political thread complaining about all of the USA political threads seems, at the least, counter productive.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: RangerSteve
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 01:12 PM

It's not just our elections dominating the news. Here in the U.S., you can't go a week without hearing about what the UK royals are doing. Maybe someone can explain how Liz and Phil and their kids and grandkids effect us so much that we have to know what they had to eat and the texture of their bowel movements. (OK, it's not that bad, but we still know more than we need to). I'd be more than happy to keep our election news to ourselves if the Brits would keep the royal news to themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Amos
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 01:15 PM

Take a vow, Ed, to walk away from the media for forty days.

First, you will be spared all the negabobbery and carping and snidities with which the media is rife. Second you will reduce the risk of being contaminated with evil ideas. Third, your emotional health will improve by not being exoposed to intention dramatization of negatives at every hour. And FOurth, you will be pleasantly surprised when you come back to discover that President-elect Obama is already tooling up to improve things.


A

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 01:41 PM

Or better yet... watch FOX News for a week, and then the urge to blow up the TV will be too strong to resist and there won't be any more problem with too much TV coverage of US elections.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: GUEST,Joy Bringer
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 01:51 PM

I have just watched last nights political extravaganza in America on the BBC evening news. Please tell me that this wasn't a political party getting ready to nominate a presidential candidate ? it was like a second rate television game show crossed with a circus.

We had Sunday night at the London Palladium over here with less razz and bull in them.

I can't believe what I just watched. As for the outcome of the election in November, well one of the two people I said would never get into the White House in out.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 02:10 PM

No particular acumen evidenced there, Guest, JB. There will be only one left standing.

Do you prefer that one to be McCain? Do some research, sil vous plait.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Amos
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 02:18 PM

Joy:

What sarcasm!! My goodness.

Are you living over there by choice? Sorry you didn't care for the spectacular DNC spectacle. Far more important than the razzamatazz was what was actually being said. This requires discernment and an understanding of the American metaphor, which may have escaped you.


A

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: PoppaGator
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 02:53 PM

I didn't watch a minute of cenvention coverage until last night ~ recovering from Olympics-induced square-eyeball syndrome.

I watched the PBS coverage, which was tolerable, and I thought most of the preliiminary speakers were pretty lame, with the notable and obvious exception of Ex-Prez Bill and, to a much lesser extent, the wooden-but-competant John Kerry.

It occurred to me that it may have been a deliberate attempt to set Biden up to be impressive by contrast. If so, it worked ~ he was pretty damn impressive!

The conventions no longer serve the purpose of actually determining the nominees; that's done through the primary process these days. So they become show-biz. But they still serve a purpose, I suppose. I think the ongoing Dem-fest is actually working to unite and energize a still-fragmented constituency, and may not be as useless as it seems at first glance.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 03:09 PM

Poppa, you missed some great stuff the night before, esp. the governor from Montana. All available at Cspan!

I sure do, purely do, feel so badly for all of those other-country folks who are compelled to watch this and are absolutely duty-bound to complain loudly and sarcastically, as much as their challenged brains can manage...they've so little to watch and complain about in their own countries. Puir things,tch.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Bee
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 03:28 PM

Ah well, kat, when the time comes we will regale you endlessly with multiple threads about the Canadian election, which we'll have to, in order to let you in on the excitement, since it won't get much exposure south of the border. ;-)

I understand why Americans are riveted to every nuance of this election, and I understand why the rest of the world is so conflicted about it all. The ROTW doesn't know who most of these people are, except for the major contenders. We watch off and on to find out what, if anything, significant has happened. We wonder impatiently why it takes Americans so very, very long to get to the main course and have the actual election.

In Canada, much of our entertainment programming is dependent on American channels - it's a sad fact. And, damn it, an American election is wors'n football for ruining a night's vegging out in front of the TV, and I purely do hate American football - they used to pre-empt Doctor Who and never replay the missed episodes for American football when I was a young teenager in love with the Thals! Sacrilege!

Me, I've had CBC Galaxy Folkroots channel on for the past three weeks, except for the odd news and weather break.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 03:46 PM

Jack the Sailor,
If you read my introduction carefully, you will see that my main point does not relate to Mudcat threads..Maybe you confuse me with another poster. My point relates to media and news (the major part of the word indicates "new").

There is a huge media fixation on this "non-news"political hype. It presents somewhat of a "news black hole" where little else of importance gets reported. I can understand USA news getting caught up in this matter, but cannot understand how major news programs of other countries get sucked into the hype.

I am not a reporter covering world affairs. But, it is illogical
to assume that the world stops because of a crowning party for a USA presidental canidate (already selected through a long-publicized process).

At least most British Royal affairs are not sold as core news, more entertainment or tabloid type coverage.

BTW, I do not spend much time following this bunk. I turn to something more substantive. However, I am reminded of it in many "news summaries of news summaries" on this nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: GUEST,Joy Bringer
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:10 PM

Well it did look like entertainment for the semi-illiterate, one recent post just conformed that !

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 04:18 PM

(no cookie on this machine)


McBama agenda: Common ground between candidates

By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 1 minute ago

WASHINGTON - John McCain and Barack Obama share common ground on a surprising selection of issues where the age-old Republican-Democratic divide doesn't cut it anymore.

Both want the United States to join the campaign against global warming in earnest. Both want to cut taxes for the middle class.

No matter who wins, the moratorium on offshore drilling could well be relaxed, yet both presidential candidates also say no dice to letting oil companies into the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, after years of Republican efforts to open it to drilling.

As much as the candidates would be loathe to admit it, circumstance and the evolution of war policy have even diminished their differences over the course in Iraq.

Call it the McBama agenda, a limited but striking bipartisan convergence. It favors ending the ban on federal money for embryonic stem cell research and embodies only shades of difference over key questions about gay marriage.

To be sure, voters have a real choice to make on Election Day and the national party conventions are devoted to playing up the many differences. Parties, after all, need to be distinct to exist.

For starters, Obama has an ambitious — and expensive — plan to get the country close to universal health coverage and require insurance for children; McCain doesn't. McCain has experience in foreign affairs that Obama lacks. Obama would raise income taxes on wealthy Americans that McCain hopes to leave alone, while the Republican opposes abortion rights that the Democrat favors.

Obama's Senate voting record is largely liberal; McCain's, largely conservative with notable exceptions. And they can be expected to tilt the Supreme Court to their competing ideologies at any opportunity, as well as their many other judicial selections.

Even so, their policy intersections show how the debate has shifted on a variety of long-standing and contemporary issues. More than the usual post-primary drift to the center is at work here.

McCain's well-known tendency to wander from Republican orthodoxy on certain issues inevitably brings him closer to Obama here and there.

The realities of a struggling economy play a part, too. Both once opposed expanded offshore drilling but soaring energy costs have made that position hard to sustain, to a point where McCain supports relaxing the moratorium and Obama is conditionally open to that.

They both come at the war on terrorism with a hard line and the conviction that the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan must be reinforced.

McCain rhetorically promises to follow Osama bin Laden to "the gates of hell;" Obama specifically promises to follow him into Pakistan if necessary, breaching another sovereign nation if that's what it takes to run down high-value terrorist targets.

On Iraq, both men could be credited with prophecy and accused of shortsightedness, each in his own way.

The success of last year's troop escalation in containing the insurgency vindicated McCain's early and frequent call for reinforcements, and Obama has dropped his argument that it was failing.

That very success, if it holds, in turn enhances prospects that Obama as president could carry out his plan to withdraw from Iraq methodically over 16 months. McCain has repeatedly criticized Obama's timetable but now even the Bush administration is taking steps in that direction.

On other issues:

_Both say gay marriage should be left to the states and oppose a constitutional amendment to ban it. President Bush, in contrast, proposed such a ban but did not push for one. McCain has obliquely endorsed at least some of the rights inherent in gay civil unions while Obama has expressed strong support for those rights. Both say they oppose gay marriage.

_Both oppose a constitutional amendment to ban abortion. Otherwise, they diverge on abortion rights.

_The argument that manmade global warming is a concoction was pushed farther toward the fringes with McCain's nomination.

McCain has been among the strongest voices in Congress for aggressive action. Unlike several of his GOP primary rivals and Bush, he supports mandatory cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, and Obama joined him in the Senate in an effort to achieve that goal.

They are both advocating a cap and trade system that would force companies that cannot meet targets to pay for the right to pollute, all under tightening national emission requirements. Obama favors cutting carbon dioxide emissions 80 percent by 2050; McCain, 60 percent by then.

Both also support tougher fuel efficiency standards.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 05:42 PM

Yes EdT I am mistaken, but in defense of the media in your country, George W Bush, is reason enough for anyone in the world to think this election is vitally important.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 06:40 PM

Jack the Sailor,

I agree that the USA election is a globally important issue, as it impacts many countries.

In most counties election media coverage is a couple of months, at the most. Daily (and detailed) media reporting stretched over the two year (plus) US election/selection campaign is tiring. I submit it represents lazy journalism and reduces media resources to focus on other important issues, (many also of Global importance).

Extensive coverage of every aspect of the currrent selection convention (aka coronation) for a Democratic canidate... one who is already chosen... is completely non-news (I suspect he will accept the nomination).   

Seems to me more like PR for the canidate than news. (Should anyone be surprised that democrats support democrats, and given an audience, will speak highly of their canidate, at least in public view)?

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:26 PM

Bread and circuses. It diverts people's attention away from issues that their governments don't want them focusing on.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:44 PM

Its an attempt to get a message to the public though a lazy, egotistic, biased media.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Alice
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 09:26 PM

I think it is hard for people in smaller countries to grasp the diversity and the geographic expanse of all 50 states. In order for a candidate to actually, physically, travel to and meet with the population of voters, it takes TIME (and money) and all that time of them stumping on the election trail, the media follows them around looking for something to report. You can't compare elections in the US to an election in the UK. It's a completely different kind of problem to educate and reach and motivate the voters from Hawaii to Maine and Alaska to Florida.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 09:41 PM

Good point, Alice. If a candd bannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnbnnnnnbni (s0rry, that was archy, my ailing cat)

If a candidate could speak 20 times in a country the combined size of 4 of our states, he or she might reach 95 percent of the population there. Not so, here.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 11:25 PM

A point is much of the stuff, over an extended period, is not policy content, but entertainement TV, with very little content at all. Little that a logical thinking person (in any of the diverse 50 states) could use to determine the best leader and direction for the people of the USA.

Questions:
Is it a valid role of media to do promotional PR for canidates, (and for free) and sell it as news?

Since much is not news, why would other nations promote this stuff outside the US as news?

The best explanation presented, beyond laxy media, may indeed be bread and circuses

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Alice
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 11:53 PM

Ed, "news" media has become entertainment to sell products. That's why there is so much "fluff".

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:01 AM

Barack Obama demonstrated tonight that he is every bit the President his supporters thought he would be.

His speech was inclusive, insightful, unflinching, and above all, it was founded on clear and good principles that people sensed were the really important ones, while calling for individual and mutual responsibility and an end to the sorry, fragmented and spite-filled divisions that we have seen across the country as well as reflected here.

It was a masterpiece.

I hope it resonates around the world.


McCain has a very, very hard act to follow indeed.


A

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 10:21 PM

Looks like he managed to follow it...

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:55 PM

Not at all. This is like following The David with a pinup calendar.


A

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:30 AM

The election in the US of an African-American has to be one of the most important historical events in the world. For years, out of slavery, African-Americans have been
held down by economic and social forces and to find that a candidate emerges from the cesspool of prejudice and historical slavery is only a soap opera to those racists who
revere the status-quo.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: bobad
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:35 AM

Well said Frank, my sentiments exactly.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:52 AM

WHAT IF ?

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:52 AM

WHAT IF ?

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 12:56 PM

The guy over in the corner looks like Obama!

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 12:57 PM

"Not at all. This is like following The David with a pinup calendar."


                      Actually, it's more like following a smiley face with a pinup calender.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 01:49 PM

Stringsinger:

In the World?
You either have a poor sense of international history and worlds events,don't get out much, have an unrealistic USA pride (can't blame someone for national pride, even if unrealistic), or a good sense of humour.

I trust it is the latter.

I share the humour in your post. Good stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: Amos
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:17 PM

Rig:

Sense of humor, perhaps, but to take the clarity and clear, sane policy of Obama and dismiss it as a smiley face is about as perspicacious as a swamp-frog trying to sneak into a ballroom.

A

Subject: RE: BS: US of A Election
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 05:59 PM

Nice image, Amos!