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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ebbie Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:31 PM I've never heard Hannity but he comes across as a real sleazeball. Palin doesn't fare much better- it wouldn't have surprised me to have her use 'misunderestimate'. Frankly, Miss America candidates seem, by and large, to have just about as good a grasp as she. You know, this time- if the American people vote them in I will lose all hope for our electorate. It would mean that our pop culture, fed on sound bytes and the National Enquirer, is emblematic of our whole nation. As Palin would say: Absolutely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 18 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM If I was a moose, I'd vote for Obama! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ebbie Date: 18 Sep 08 - 01:27 PM There ya go, Rig, Eb says encouragingly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 18 Sep 08 - 01:35 PM "If Sarah Palin turns out to be the next Ronald Reagan, then it will be up to us (with our BIG FAT RÉSUMÉS) to define the new mode of anti-intellectualism in America. One starting point would be a study mentioned in this week's Washington Post. Two political scientists gave volunteers who described themselves as "conservative" a list of Bush's prewar claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. To some of the volunteers they provided a thorough, neutral refutation—the 2004 Duelfer report that concluded Iraq had no WMDs. Now here's the amazing result: The ones who received the refutation were vastly more likely to believe the Bush view than the other group. In other words, the mere presence of "expert" refutation—i.e., an opposing view from people with BIG FAT RÉSUMÉS, as Sarah Palin calls them, made the conservatives less likely to believe the truth and stick to their guns. The researchers call this the "backfire effect" and say it shows up mostly with conservatives. Sending corrections to obvious mistruths, one of them concluded, is only likely to backfire. The very act of arguing against those corrections seems to make conservatives believe them more strongly and reinforces their view that anything from those people with BFR has to be wrong." Faskinatin', Olive!!! (From Slate. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:37 PM To them, everything is a fucking conspiracy, Amos. My daughter has a work colleague who stood on the sidewalk as Obama drove in from the airport the other day holding a sign of the Russian hammer & sickle with Obama's name on it, while she held a McCain bumper sticker in the other. They are entrenched idjits. Ebbie, I heard a woman who called in to NPR the other day, talking about her take on Palin. I loved it. She said, "I'd buy Avon from her" but she didn't think she was qualified to run the country. THAT'S what she reminds me of...SOME Avon or Amway sales-types. No offence to them in general...my good friend is one, but she's also NOT a Palin! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:45 PM Well, I hear ya. I'd buy lingerie from her,t oo, if I were in the market. Which, may I add, I am not. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 18 Sep 08 - 05:51 PM "There ya go, Rig, Eb says encouragingly." And if I was a moose, and Sarah shot my great uncle, I'd be hugely upset, even if he was working as a community organizer in Chicago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bobert Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:16 PM Now that is the Rigs we like... But seriously, this election shouldn't be about Ms. Sarah... It should be about the guy who picked her and his **judgement***, or lack thereof... Me thinks that ol' Sir John has slipped a cog or two in the thinking department... And lastly, anyone here that song entitled "Cows With Guns"??? How about one entitled "Moose With Guns"??? B;~0 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:40 PM I just saw John McCain saying Sarah Palin knows more about energy than anyone else in this country. Oh.... my..... gawd.... he has really lost his mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:40 PM How about: "Lipstick on a Moose with Guns?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:42 PM She certainly knows a lot about being in bed with the oil and gas people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:43 PM Amos, AVON sells cosmetics... not lingerie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 18 Sep 08 - 08:04 PM Well, I guess I knew that, Alice, but we were dealing in hypotheticals, and if she were selling lingerie, I'd have to say I would be interested. But not in the product. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 18 Sep 08 - 10:01 PM From Republican Senator Chuck Hegel, senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee as reported on cnn.com today: (CNN) – Sen. Chuck Hagel has become one of the most prominent Republicans to openly question VP nominee Sarah Palin's qualifications on Thursday. "She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel said in an interview with the Omaha World Herald. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything." On her first overseas trip last year, Palin traveled to Kuwait and Germany to visit Alaskan National Guard troops. In defending her own foreign policy experience, Palin has said that Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her international expertise. Hagel, a senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called that notion "insulting to the American people." "I do think in a world that is so complicated, so interconnected and so combustible, you really got to have some people in charge that have some sense of the bigger scope of the world," he added. "I think that's just a requirement." Hagel, who broke with fellow Republicans over the Iraq war, has said he will not endorse either major party candidate. The Nebraska senator has said he would have considered being Obama's running mate and was rumored to be on his VP short list. Although Hagel is a longtime friend of GOP presidential nominee John McCain, he traveled to the Middle East with Obama in July. Hagel also came to Obama's defense in May after the Democratic nominee and McCain had a dispute over the best way to deal with Iran. Hagel, whose Senate term is drawing to a close, is not running for re-election to the Senate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 19 Sep 08 - 01:40 AM "...The main complaint against Palin has been her lack of experience. That's fortunate for her, since "experience"--especially measured in a linear way--fails to capture exactly what Palin lacks. Yes, two years as governor is less than you'd like, as is four years as senator. The real problem, though, is that Palin has no record of thinking about national or international policy. Bobby Jindal, another Republican veep contender, has barely more experience than Palin, but he is a respected policy intellectual. Pat Buchanan ran for president without ever having served in elective office, but he had engaged more deeply than most presidential candidates in policy questions. Engagement, not experience, is the difference between Palin's qualifications and Obama's. Obama has a longstanding interest in national and (to a lesser extent) international issues, and has answered questions on all those issues in extensive detail. Palin has dealt almost exclusively with parochial issues in a wildly atypical state. (Her fiscal experience, which consists of divvying up oil lucre, offers better preparation to serve as president of Saudi Arabia than the United States.) It's possible Palin has harbored a long-standing, secret passion for policy wonkery, but the few signs available thus far--her convention speech that spelled out "new-clear weapons," her evident lack of familiarity with the term "Bush Doctrine"--suggest otherwise. The Republican intelligentsia is frantically tutoring her while they run out the clock until November 4. In lieu of opening Palin to regular questioning from the press corps, of the sort the other three candidates have all undergone many times before, the McCain campaign is helpfully leaking positive appraisals of her studiousness. "Despite the worries, [Palin] struck many campaign officials as more calm and cerebral than expected," reported Newsweek. "She was quick to ask questions, and to 'engage in a back and forth' with briefers." See, the McCain campaign says she's on the ball. That settles it, right? But, somewhere in the recesses of my mind, this admiring appraisal of the prospective veep's intellect struck a familiar chord. With a quick search, I discovered that, indeed, the same was said of Dan Quayle in 1988. Twenty years ago, The Washington Post reported, "Bush aides, who were getting their first in-depth exposure to Quayle, were impressed by his attention span, the quality of his questions and the facility with which he moved through the agenda." Other parallels stood out as well. Conservatives received Quayle's selection rapturously. L. Brent Bozell pronounced himself "ecstatic," and Jerry Falwell called the surprise pick "a stroke of genius." After a media frenzy, Quayle's speech was well-received. The convention hall burst into cheers of "We want Dan!" NBC anchor Tom Brokaw said that Quayle executed "flawlessly," and CBS's Bruce Morton called it "a good speech." Questions about Quayle's readiness remained, but he did his best to turn them into elite condescension toward small town America. Quayle, in his acceptance speech, spoke movingly about the small towns in Indiana where he had grown up, and later disparaged Dukakis for "sneer[ing] at common sense advice, Midwestern advice." Today, Quayle is remembered as a disaster. But, during the campaign, his supporters believed that media skepticism of Quayle had rallied ordinary Americans to his side. Dukakis "looks down on his fellow Americans. He looks down on Bush and Dan Quayle as--in his word--'pathetic,' " wrote right-wing columnist Michael Novak. "Thus, the 'feeding frenzy' of the press in New Orleans stirred a national backlash. It united all the scorned of America as one." Conservatives are saying the same things about Palin. "Elite opinion," insisted McCain strategist Steve Schmidt, "looks down with contempt at people who are not part of their world." As Palin herself said, "If you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone." To the right, the mere fact that the press questions her fitness proves that she is one of them. As the original rationales for Palin melt away, this bond has become unshakable. Her lack of qualifications turns out to be her greatest qualification...."(The New Republic) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 19 Sep 08 - 07:28 AM That's a good point, Amos. There must be studies somewhere that look into why "anti-intellectualism" is such a huge draw in American culture. Maybe that's why religion has become such a big part of American politics. They take the part of the human brain that would normally be inquisitive and calculating, and replace it with something that is dead and static. That way they don't have to think about real issues, and happily vote for the candidate who seems to be the dumbest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 19 Sep 08 - 09:55 AM A recent study found that those who reacted the most heavily when startled tended to be conservative. Seriously! Well this immediately tells you that going with the flow of time is not a strong suit for such folks,m eaning a larger amoutn of their attention is lockled up on the past. When life looks overwhelming, or confusing, the natural instinct is to lock on to some solution, even if it isn't rational, to ward off the confusion; and hold on to it. THus are religions built and belief systems perpetrated. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 19 Sep 08 - 09:58 AM NPR covered the startle study this morning. It's nonsense. There are conservatives who are calm, liberals who are calm, conservatives who startle, liberals who startle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 19 Sep 08 - 12:07 PM Well, if you can't make the "startle" connection, something else must be going on. At the very least, it seems to be irrational. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 19 Sep 08 - 01:12 PM Denial is not just a river, its a bitch http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/Fivestages.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Stringsinger Date: 19 Sep 08 - 01:27 PM Doug, what really scares me is not Palin but the stupidity of the uninformed American public. We could be looking at a political lynch mob with torches and pitchforks. Palin is a shell. There are those who read into her candidacy what they want to regarding god, gays, guns, wars and all the lipstick pig distractions. She has shown herself to be ignorant and if you don't know what the Bush Doctrine is, it's the doctrine of preemptive military strikes on a foreign country. Most politically informed people know what this is and it's completely disingenuous to say that most people don't know what this is. Maybe there are these yahoos that don't know but I wouldn't count you as among them. I have more respect for you than that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: beardedbruce Date: 19 Sep 08 - 01:34 PM String- Washington Post: Name That Doctrine By Michael Gerson Friday, September 19, 2008; Page A19 It is an odd thing to observe a historical debate on events about which one possesses the knowledge of a participant -- something like watching archeologists dig and sift through your living room, proposing their own interpretations of your photos and knickknacks. And it raises a disturbing prospect: That most such debates are conducted by experts possessing great confidence and little knowledge. This controversy began when ABC's Charles Gibson asked Sarah Palin to give her view of the Bush doctrine. Palin's vague answer provoked a dismissive response from Gibson, who defined the doctrine as "anticipatory self-defense." Charles Krauthammer came to Palin's defense, arguing that there were four consecutive versions of the Bush doctrine, culminating in the democracy promotion agenda of Bush's second inaugural address -- a description that is closer to the truth. Joe Klein, with absolute and unjustified self-assurance, then insisted, "There was only one Bush doctrine" -- the preemption of emerging threats. One frustrated Canadian columnist concluded: "It turns out nobody really knows what the Bush doctrine is." But that is not quite true. The Bush doctrine is not the Da Vinci Code. It developed over time, but it developed according to the intentions of a single man. The content of the Bush doctrine directly reflects President Bush's convictions about the nature of the post-Sept. 11 world. And the form of that doctrine is something I worked directly with him to shape. There are many speeches that could be cited. But when President Bush's foreign policy vision was under general assault in late 2005 and early 2006 -- the bloody low point of the Iraq war -- he set out in his 2006 State of the Union address to defend three prongs or elements of the Bush doctrine against growing American isolationism: · Aggressively confronting emerging security threats. From the start, President Bush stated that the preemption of new-age threats -- terrorist networks, the regimes that aid and shelter them, and weapons of mass destruction -- is not always a military task. Economic and diplomatic pressure are the preferred and likely tools for dealing with outlaw regimes. And there is no doubt that the Iraq war has sapped public support for military options, even as a last resort. But Iraq shows the challenges of implementing preemption; it does not disprove the theory. If Iraq had possessed stockpiles of nerve gas and biological agents, who would now question the need to forcefully confront that threat? In this election, it is Barack Obama who has proposed the extension of greater American power into the dangerous border regions of Pakistan, the current home base of al-Qaeda. What possible reason could there be for such action except the preemption of threats to America and its allies? · Democracy promotion. The idea that America benefits in the long run from the spread of a liberal, democratic, free-trading world order is not a Bush innovation, it is a post-World War II consensus. Not every tyrant in recent history has been an enemy of America. But every major enemy of America in recent history has been a tyrant. Bush's true innovation was to apply this consensus -- at least occasionally -- to the Arab Middle East. It is not an easy task. There are many valid arguments about the pace, phasing and methods of reform. But eventually there is no alternative. The dictators of the Middle East not only rule unjustly but generally ineffectively, and their oppression pushes most opposition toward the radical mosque. As these nations fail and become unstable, the question will inevitably be asked of any president: What did you do to promote a viable political alternative to Islamism while you had the time? · Fighting disease and promoting development. This is perhaps the most unexpected and underappreciated element of the Bush doctrine. Bush, in some ways, has accepted a "root causes" theory of world disorder, from terrorism, to criminal and drug networks, to pandemics and refugees. So he has doubled overseas development assistance during his time in office and nearly quadrupled aid to Africa (an increasingly important battlefield in the war of ideas against radical Islam). He has tied some of this increased aid, through the Millennium Challenge Corporation, to improvements in governance that make other forms of economic and social progress possible. Both of the current candidates for president have indicated they will expand global aid as well. It really doesn't matter much if the next president and vice president can identify these three elements of the Bush doctrine. They will live by them anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 19 Sep 08 - 01:54 PM That is completely disingenuous, and completely overlooks the largest departure from traditional international policy in Bush's history, the departure of unilateral aggression. If Gerson was as much "there" as he says, he sure was not paying attention, to have been so bamboozled by such a thin coat of sugar sprinkles. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: beardedbruce Date: 19 Sep 08 - 01:57 PM Amos, I believe that he was the speechwriter at the time. I think perhaps you have been bamboozled by such a thin coat of sugar sprinkles, by the Obama camp. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:56 PM "...what really scares me is not Palin but the stupidity of the uninformed American public..." If we solved that problem, we would surely be choosing between some other candidates. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 19 Sep 08 - 03:40 PM Ain't that the truth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 19 Sep 08 - 03:44 PM THe Obama camp has nothing to do with this, Bruce; take off your blinders. There is no reason for any of the items cited by Gerson to be especially identified as "The Bush Doctrine"--they are just ordinary operating principles, for the most part. Unilateral aggression, on the other hand, is a salient departure from tradition, and was not embraced as a major policy by anyone else, and is much more important than those other sugar-pop statements as a "Doctrine." Unilateral aggression is as big a change of position for the US as the Monroe Doctrine was. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: beardedbruce Date: 19 Sep 08 - 03:48 PM "But when President Bush's foreign policy vision was under general assault in late 2005 and early 2006 -- the bloody low point of the Iraq war -- he set out in his 2006 State of the Union address to defend three prongs or elements of the Bush doctrine against growing American isolationism: " Now, if you want I will refer to the bombing of allies as the "Obama Doctrine". Or you can call your version the "Defined by Bush-Haters Bush Doctrine" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 19 Sep 08 - 08:51 PM A Palin supporter The great American Electorate |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 19 Sep 08 - 08:58 PM Whew the cartoon I did about the 5 stages of Republicans was the worst bomb yet. IT goes to show ya that I thought it was the best I had done in a year. I stepped out of humor bounds and didn't know it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Sep 08 - 08:47 AM "I stepped out of humor bounds and didn't know it. " 1st time you're a wit. 2nd time you're a half-wit. 3rd time you're a nitwit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 22 Sep 08 - 10:15 AM The lake at Wasilla is now dead, thanks to Palin's time as mayor. -------Sarah Palin's Dead Lake read the whole article here (click) "I try to avoid driving to Wasilla so I won't get depressed," added the official, who asked for his name to be withheld, to avoid Palin's "wrath." "You get visually mugged when you drive through there. I take the long way, through the back roads, just to avoid it." Wasilla City Council member Dianne Woodruff hears the same lament about her town all the time. "Everywhere in Alaska, you hear people say, 'We don't want to be another Wasilla.' We're not just the state's meth capital, we're the ugly box-store capital. Was Sarah a good steward of this beautiful valley? No. I think it comes from her lack of experience and awareness of other places, how other cities try to preserve what makes them attractive and livable. ------- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ebbie Date: 22 Sep 08 - 10:59 AM I think that article assigns too much blame on Palin. The problem began before she was mayor and continues today. Wasilla had a great example in Anchorage for its helter skelter growth. Anchorage is a sprawling city with little or no apparent plan, it has no heart, no core. As for the lake, on the Oregon coast is a pretty little lake that had, and perhaps still has, the same problem. It became choked with weeds and algae and its oxygen count went way down. The town of Lincoln City called in experts, few of whom agreed on what to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 08 - 11:53 AM DOn't worry about it Donuel. It WAS a good cartoon. Maybe just a bit more than folks are prepared to digest. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 08 - 12:17 PM Palin claims right to see all state files By Jason Leopold Online Journal Contributing Writer Sep 18, 2008, 00:18 Email this article Printer friendly page Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is maneuvering to stop an investigation into an alleged abuse of power, in part, by claiming that she has an unlimited right to pry into the personnel records of all state employees, including the state trooper who divorced her sister. Palin's new position was summed up in a Sept. 9 letter from Alaska Attorney General Talis Colberg to the state legislature, which has authorized an independent counsel probe into whether Palin and her staff illegally accessed confidential personnel records of her ex-brother-in-law, state trooper Mike Wooten. The probe also focuses on Palin's firing of state Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan in July after he refused to fire Wooten. Colberg's argument is that Palin can access confidential files of any state employee she chooses and thus the allegation that she got unauthorized access to Wooten's personnel records -- by whatever means -- is moot. "It does not violate the State Personnel Act for Department of Administration Staff to provide confidential personnel information to the governor or her staff -- or for the governor or her staff to receive that information -- in the course and scope of their official duties," the attorney general wrote. "The governor or her staff may, in the course and scope of their official duties, review a confidential personnel file to ensure, for example, that an employee is adequately supervised, appropriately evaluated, and appropriately disciplined. In appropriate cases, the governor may also direct the termination of a state employee." This legal analysis appears to be an attempt to provide Palin and her staffers with legal cover for allegedly disseminating confidential information about Wooten in a campaign to get him fired. However, John Cyr, executive director of the Public Safety Employees Association which represents Alaska State Troopers, disputes the notion of that Palin can have unlimited access to all state employee records. "It is illegal to access employee medical and personnel files unless it's on a 'need to know basis,'" Cyr said about Palin's assertion of this unlimited authority. "This is outrageous." Palin's new defense line became necessary when it turned out that an earlier claim that Wooten's personnel file was public record through his divorce/custody case with Palin's sister turned out to be untrue. Palin, her private attorney Thomas Van Flein and McCain campaign officials had said Wooten released his confidential medical and employment records as part of those proceedings. Palin's office even posted Wooten's Feb. 7 agreement to release those records as part of the case discovery. ....Online Journal |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 08 - 12:37 PM A slightly snarky essay on the nature of the Republican VP candidacy, By Kerry Tomasi, in the Online Journal. Sep 22, 2008, 00:13 "As Paul Begala recently put it: "If McCain were to say the moon was made of green cheese, we can be certain that Obama would pounce on it, and point out it's actually made of rock. And you just know the headline in the paper the next day would read: CANDIDATES CLASH ON LUNAR LANDSCAPE." And so, for the past eight years or so, the Republican Party has been able to 'muddy the waters' on virtually every issue and/or get away with redefining black as white, up as down, and wrong as right with few, if any, consequences. They've even gotten away with marketing a scheme to transfer wealth from the middle and lower classes to those at the very top as "what's best for working families." I was recently chided about becoming a registered Republican. Here was my response. I think it's apropos to the subject . . . "Truth is, I'm just way too 'conservative' for that particular party right now. I'm far too conservative . . . The point is . . . the Republican leadership has managed to turn everything conservatives once stood for inside out and backwards. They've become a party dominated by a Dobson/Robertson/Hagee brand of religious extremism (working feverishly to bring about the end of the world and the Rapture), and those who are so overcome by a compulsive need to have it all -- and I mean all -- that it entirely overwhelms any sense of personal integrity and societal responsibility, making them completely antithetical to a democratic republic. John McCain and Sarah Palin represent both sides of this spectrum perfectly, and are therefore a Neo-Republican match made in heaven. Which brings me back to McCain's "decision" (it wasn't really his decision you know) that Palin be the one to step into the presidency if something were to happen to him. Let me ask a simple, semi-theoretical, question. Does anyone reading this (other than that 30 percent unflappable right-wing base) really and truly and sincerely believe Sarah Palin should be our next president? That she is the best, most qualified candidate, out of all the people in this country, for that job? No, of course not. No one, outside of that "base," who puts any thought at all into the matter, would think that. But this is exactly what you're contemplating when you say "I'm leaning McCain" or "I haven't quite made up my mind." McCain is 72, with a history of recurring cancer, and some kind of weird "tick" that causes him to fiddle with his wedding band obsessively (early signs?). This is not a gamble we in this country can afford right now. We're not talking about someone who would step in if the mayor of Wasilla were incapacitated; this is President of the United States, at one of the most crucial phases in our nation's history! And that's why I like the pick of Sarah Palin for VP. Because it lays bare -- stark naked in broad daylight -- the ruse that is McCain's slogan, "Country First." This cynical choice did more in one fell swoop to expose the Neo-Republicans for who they are, and where their priorities lie, than folks like me have been able to accomplish in 10 years. If McCain is elected, and the final stages of this conquest (they'll refer to it as "reform") are successful, you will not recognize this country in six-seven years (maybe a lot sooner). This neocon crew has every intention of dismantling what's left of the middle class, simultaneously shredding whatever safety net there is, leaving the vast majority of us to fight like dogs over the scraps (under the watchful eye of a privatized "police state"), while they sneer contemptuously from behind their gated and guarded walls. ..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Sep 08 - 12:40 PM This whole Wooten thing would have been over and done with by now if she had not been asked to join the McCain ticket. Obviously she can't take the time to deal with it now, and it has nothing to do with the office she is seeking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 22 Sep 08 - 12:51 PM "...nothing to do with the office she is seeking" Stonewalling, avoiding accountability, abuse of power... I think that has a lot to do with the character of the kind of person we want as a VP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 08 - 03:09 PM Ah, but Rig, you are mistaken. As a demonstration of her sense of proproety, her sense of fair play, her notion of ethics, it has everything to do with the job she is seeking, unless you want to see a mini-me Cheney-in-Training in the slot. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Sep 08 - 04:20 PM Wrong on all counts. The Alaskan Democrats are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. The whole thing had no importance at all until she was selected for VP. Once the election is over, she'll have all the time in the world to prove it. The press could better spend its time by looking into the association of Barack Obama and Tony Rezko. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 22 Sep 08 - 04:22 PM It's not the Alaskan Democrats. There are several Republicans who are involved in the investigation as well. It has never been a partisan thing. Alaskans are (quite rightly, in my opinion) concerned that Palin may have been abusing her power. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 22 Sep 08 - 04:23 PM ...and the investigation was ongoing before Palin was nominated for VP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 08 - 04:26 PM ANd if you don't think abuse of power has any bearing on recommendations for high executive power, why, I am surprised. You sound so human in other posts. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 22 Sep 08 - 04:27 PM A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS in Alaska legislature dealing with this issue voted for this investigation. You can't blame the Democrats. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Sep 08 - 09:18 PM "...and the investigation was ongoing before Palin was nominated for VP." Exactly the point. If they'd gotten it over in a timely fashion, they wouldn't have a political issue. Now, they'll just have to wait a couple of months. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 08 - 09:53 PM Odd how you keep slipping the point about their being a connection... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Sep 08 - 09:58 PM The point? You mean that McCain chose Palin because she had agreed to be investigated by the legislature? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 22 Sep 08 - 10:18 PM Timely fashion meaning that they should have finished it before she was nominated? How the hell were they supposed to know McCain was going to pick her as his running mate? Investigations take as long as they take. She was under investigation by people in her own party, as well as the other party, and rather suddenly and unexpectedly, she got named as McCain's running mate. The only thing that's political about this investigation is the way she and her people are stonewalling it, and the way they are trying to make it look like it's a Democratic initiative instead of what it really is - a bipartisan initiative. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 08 - 10:21 PM Villain!! Villain!! Go to, you ne'er-do-well jackanapes!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Sep 08 - 11:26 PM "Villain!! Villain!! Go to, you ne'er-do-well jackanapes!!" Is that a quote from a Jack-in-the-Box ad, or... |
