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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 05:40 PM I already posted that Newsweek article link, Kat. I guess it jumped out at a lot of us. I was listening to the article's author on CNN when I searched and found the link. Here is a comment I found on the NYT web site. This should not go unreported: "no one brought up the fact that she, in front of a worldwide audience, broke Operational Security the Military prides itself on. She announced the MOS of her son serving in the Army, and went on to say the exact date and the country her son's unit will deploy too. She has not only endangered the life of her son, but all the other soldiers in his unit. Senator John McCain never talked about his own son's service for that very reason. I think it shows the lack of Judgment on the part of McCain's Camp to not screen her speech and shows her own inexperience on the National Stage. For a candidate who prides himself on National Security his Vice Presidential choice just blew that argument out of the water. So why are we not talking about this issue?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 30 Aug 08 - 05:41 PM Sorry, Alice, thanks and thanks for the MOS comment! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 06:01 PM From an Alaskan blog discussing Palin, "to say something nice about Palin, I bet she is a better shot than Cheney". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Aug 08 - 06:08 PM Here's a link to the Dan Quayle Center and Museum |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 06:18 PM From the Fairbanks Daily News - Miner Palin unqualified to serve as vice president quote in part: "Sarah Palin's chief qualification for being elected governor of Alaska was that she was not Frank Murkowski. She did not win because of her conservative credentials, her grasp of policy details or because of her track record as the mayor of Wasilla, an office she won in 1996 by collecting 617 votes. Perhaps the strangest claim repeated endlessly on the news channels is that she has proven she can cut taxes and reduce the size of government in Alaska. She may have cut taxes as mayor of Wasilla, but that's not the same as cutting taxes as governor of Alaska, where there is no state income tax or sales tax to cut." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,heric Date: 30 Aug 08 - 06:35 PM man still down |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Art Thieme Date: 30 Aug 08 - 07:12 PM WE THE PEOPLE will be left to deal with it, however it plays out. That's the rub. Let us hope that it won't be a GRIND, instead, after all is said and done. As one who is now elderly, disabled and unable to ply my trade, I do think about it, but not too often. The proverbial glass is more than half full----- possibly because I just threw up in it! Onward and upward to all, Art |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 08 - 07:30 PM Alice I hopw she is a better shot than Cheney too see... http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/don/palin_art2.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: pdq Date: 30 Aug 08 - 07:40 PM Geraldine Ferraro, calling Barack Obama "sexist," may not back him Might fully one-third of the six surviving Democratic vice presidential nominees end up opposing their party's national ticket this November? That possibility arose today based on comments Geraldine Ferraro, the 1984 Democratic veep candidate, made to The New York Times. Sen. Joe Lieberman, who occupied the No. 2 slot for the Democrats in 2000, months ago declared for presumptive Republican White House nominee John McCain. And Ferraro, a staunch Hillary Clinton supporter who sparked a brouhaha earlier this year over whether she made a racially dismissive remark about Barack Obama, apparently is no longer a reliable Democratic vote. Ferraro, in the NYT story, terms Obama "terribly sexist." And, as a result, she says she may not be able to cast her ballot for him if, as anticipated, he gains the Democratic presidential nod. On the positive side for Democrats, no signs of apostasy are emanating from the four other one-time party veep candidates still alive -- John Edwards (the '04 nominee who officially signed on with Obama last week), Al Gore (the nominee in 1992 and '96), Walter Mondale (the 1976 and 1980 nominee) and Sargent Shriver (George McGovern's running mate in 1972 -- they may have gotten trounced by the GOP's Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew pairing, but their longevity is impressive). -- Don Frederick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 07:46 PM I've found there are already a number of groups on Facebook against the Sarah Palin vp choice... like "Sarah Palin is NOT Hillary Clinton". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 07:54 PM "As mayor of Wasilia, Palin built - as her legacy - a $15 million multi-use indoor ice arena on land that did not belong to the city. It will cost Wasilla at least an additional $1.67 million to acquire the land which the town is attempting to pay for by cutting library services, postponing capital improvement projects, and raising fees." click |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Maryrrf Date: 30 Aug 08 - 10:10 PM I'm still in shock about Sarah Palin being chosen as the vice-presidential candidate - but glad because I think this mistake will cost the republicans dearly. Tonight I went out to dinner with three people who had told me earlier they were planning to vote for McCain. They've changed their minds since he picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. I hope that's an indication of what's to come. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 10:31 PM Now that I've read more about her and this choice of Palin has really sunk in, I am feeling insulted and angry that McCain would be so irresponsible as to place a person like this in a position of being second in line in this country if he wins. Coincidentally while researching her background, I've been listening to an in-depth report by CNN of both McCain and Obama's background. They've finished McCain and are in the bio of Obama now. As someone who was nationally recognized while he was still in Harvard Law School, I'm looking at the thin resume of Palin in comparison to Obama, and I'm thinking... how the heck could McCain ever do this to the country? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:03 PM "She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3" MoveOn.org has a very serious credibility problem, but if they're right about her support of Pat Buchanan, she's my kind of girl. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:10 PM "'Sarah Palin's chief qualification for being elected governor of Alaska was that she was not Frank Murkowski.'" And her chief qualification for serving in the White House is, she's not Barack Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:39 PM I pretty much spoke what I needed to say about this VP candidate yesterday, but I find the presence of a thread about her choices in having her last child and the quote from an article that Kat cut and pasted troubling:
This is where the line needs to be drawn. Speculation about who cares for her children, or if she should work outside the home when she has a child with Down Syndrome, those are questions it's illegal for an employer to ask an applicant. Even as a public figure, these are her private choices to make. I think she'd be a stinker of a VP, but I draw the line at this kind of speculation. It's totally out of line. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Barry Finn Date: 31 Aug 08 - 01:21 AM "She is one of the most popular public executives in the U.S" I know of nobody who knew of her until now, course I'm in the Northeast. But then as others have said she's no Hillary & in fact she's no Kerry or Kennedy either. "Popular" she was unknown except maybe in the local sports world but that goes for the local weatherman too, maybe he should give the job a go. "worked as a sports reporter". She'll do just fine as an anchor, she'll drag McCain to the bottom. Being a reporter, that's not a lot to go on, please, can we get serious here. As to debating, destroying? Do you think she'll hold her own debating Biden? Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: mg Date: 31 Aug 08 - 01:43 AM I had heard of her for months. I can't believe these big wigs and senators etc. who ae saying they never heard of her. I don't think she is qualified for VP but as a person she is very impressive. Maybe we could invite her to Fisher Poets. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: mg Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:58 AM About the baby..unless he has heart problems, which sometimes they (Down Syndrome and I think Down's Syndrome, which we have always said should be OK but I will go along with it..do we say Sjogren Syndrome. No we say Sjogren's syndrome. Lots of syndromes have apostrophes. Oh well.) Anyway, I don't know that he would require extra special care above and beyond what any infant would need. I am sure she will get any special enrichment activities he needs. I would prefer women and men with very small children not be vp or p but she probably won't win. Her little girl might be another story. I don't know. They do have a father who can take them on snowmobile rides. Or out on boat rides..mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: pdq Date: 31 Aug 08 - 04:18 AM Half the posts on this thread are from people who go to anti-Republican websites and get their daily dose of professionally produced hate. Most Republicans are good people and Sarah Palin is charismatic and charming. She may be a little bit short of George H. W. Bush on qualification for the VP slot, but so was Geraldine Ferraro in 1984. So was Dan Quayle. In fact, there were "better qualified" people than Calvin Coolege, Harry S. Truman, Walter Mondale, Spiro Agnew, and most VPs throughout US history. The fact that Ronald Reagan chose a "more qualified" man than himself showed his level of self-confidence. Same with George W. Bush's choice of Richard Cheney. Please start talking about issues and stop sliming people. Mudcat has already had most of its grownups leave and nasty attacks on Sarah Palin and her children, or on John McCain about plane crashes ain't helping fix the problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ebbie Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:27 AM If Reagan's choice of a "more qualified" vice president showed his self confidence, I expect that you will grant the same to Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: pdq Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:36 AM Well, so granted. Isn't agreement more fun. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ebbie Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:46 AM How Alaskans Feel about It :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: SharonA Date: 31 Aug 08 - 11:00 AM pdq, it isn't just that Palin is less "qualified" for the office than many of us feel she should be. It's that John McCain's campaign theme has been that Obama is less "qualified" to lead than McCain thinks he should be, yet McCain has chosen someone who is supposed to be ready to step into that leadership role if need be but has less experience in national and international politics than Obama does. Our "hatred" is hatred of hypocrisy. Our "hatred" is also hatred of McCain's painfully obvious pandering to special interests, and his obvious attempt to woo female voters to his side. The latter is already backfiring here in the swing state of Pennsylvania! I offer an excerpt from this CNN article about yesterday's rally: WASHINGTON, PA -- "...In just her second appearance on the campaign trail with John McCain, newly-minted GOP running mate Sarah Palin was showered with boos on Saturday [August 30] for attempting to praise Clinton's trail-blazing bid to become the first female president. "As she did at in her debut speech in Ohio yesterday, Palin appealed to the women in the crowd here in Pennsylvania with a political shout-out to Geraldine Ferraro, who preceded Palin as the first women to be tapped as a vice presidential candidate. "But in contrast with the mild reception that greeted her comments at the Ohio event, when Palin praised Clinton here for showing 'determination and grace in her presidential campaign,' the Alaska governor was met with a noisy mix of boos, groans and grumbles around the minor league ballpark where the 'Road to the Convention' rally was held." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 08 - 11:12 AM This is how she looks to rational people |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 08 - 12:37 PM to be fair of course she has some supporters |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Stringsinger Date: 31 Aug 08 - 01:46 PM PDQ writes " Most Republicans are good people and Sarah Palin is charismatic and charming. She may be a little bit short of George H. W. Bush on qualification for the VP slot, but so was Geraldine Ferraro in 1984. So was Dan Quayle." This is an appropriate assessment because what we see is Dan Quayle in a dress. To say that this strident, anti-choice, fundamentalist, anti-science, anti-environment loud woman is charming is to give the same equivalence to a porcupine after the spines have been hurled. " In fact, there were "better qualified" people than Calvin Coolege, Harry S. Truman, Walter Mondale, Spiro Agnew, and most VPs throughout US history. The fact that Ronald Reagan chose a "more qualified" man than himself showed his level of self-confidence." Ronald Reagan chose a more qualified man than himself to do what? His appointments have always been RNC hacks. Some were indicted criminals. " Same with George W. Bush's choice of Richard Cheney. Please start talking about issues and stop sliming people.' You can't always separate the people from their behavior. We don't know many of these people on a personal level but we can morally ask if their actions are helpful to our country. " Mudcat has already had most of its grownups leave and nasty attacks on Sarah Palin and her children, or on John McCain about plane crashes ain't helping fix the problem." What grownups? As I see it, the problem is Republicanism. We've had eight long years of torturous policies by this Administration (and I use torture metaphorically and literally). I see the selection of Palin as a continuation of these policies which have left our country bankrupt, jobs gone away, health care gutted, an occupation of a foreign country based on lies, and to add insult to injury, her selection is so obviously motivated by political opportunism and not because of qualifications. I would imagine that Romney, Lieberman et. al are stewing over this misstep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,heric Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:17 PM Yup. Yup. That last paragraph sums it up. For all of my hesitations about Obama being a super-politician (not as a compliment), there is just no choice left now. This opportunism feels as if they are shoving it in our (middle of the road) faces. Like that woman who spoke at the Dem convention "I just can't do it no more." Please make it stop! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Stringsinger Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:21 PM "I think it's easy to see, though, that Sarah Palin will make a better Vice President than Dick Cheney, Dan Quayle, Spiro Agnew, or Dick Nixon." Joe, you have got to be kidding. This strident lady is anti-choice, anti-science, pro fundamentalist Christian, in favor of drilling in ANWAR, maintaining that abstinence makes the heart grow fonder, flip-flops on support for Steven's bridge to nowhere, has not met with McCain enough to have his unqualified endorsement, and speciously pretends to admire Hillary Clinton although all of her ideologies run counter to what Hillary has advocated. I would say that she might be more useless than Dan Quayle or perhaps more dangerous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Peace Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:22 PM Stringsinger, these folks influenced a generation of people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Peace Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:24 PM OK, maybe that's not so funny . . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:26 PM >>>Mudcat has already had most of its grownups leave and nasty attacks on Sarah Palin and her children, or on John McCain about plane crashes ain't helping fix the problem. LOL surely you mean groan-ups LOL Seriously pdq. She is without a doubt the least qualified person ever to run for one of the two national offices. Her challenge being to get up to speed and learn enough to take over for McCain while campaigning for VP and mothering young children one of whom has special needs. Frankly picking her as VP is a reckless as being responsible for the crashing of three multimillion dollar airplanes. Its worse. No daddy and grand daddy admirals can bail him out of this mistake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:27 PM Reports on McCain's favored choice, Leiberman: the right wing of the party would not allow it. His choice of Palin, IMHO, shows his rash tendencies. To quote McCain's book of 2002, "Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint." Maybe he can live with the consequences, but as a president, the world has to live with his mistakes made in haste. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:38 PM Republicans "have a tradition of nominating fun, bantamweight cheerleaders from the West, like the previous Miss Congeniality types Dan Quayle and W., and then letting them learn on the job. So they crash into the globe a few times while they're learning to drive, what's the big deal?" from an op-ed piece by Maureen Dowd click here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:40 PM >>> For all of my hesitations about Obama being a super-politician (not as a compliment), Its funny, that's why I support Obama. He is skilled enough to beat the Republicans and skilled enough to get things done if elected. Carter, Gore and Kerry, while good men in their own way did not have the skills required to make a real difference. Super-politicians Reagan and Clinton did. Though, I know consider Reagan's leadership to be something of a disaster, he was able to enact real change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,heric Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:56 PM "The movie ends with the former beauty queen shaking out her pinned-up hair, taking off her glasses, slipping on ruby red peep-toe platform heels that reveal a pink French-style pedicure, and facing down Vladimir Putin on an island in the Bering Strait. Putting away her breast pump, she points her rifle and informs him frostily that she has some expertise in Russia because it's close to Alaska. 'Back off, Commie dude,' she says. 'I'm a much better shot than Cheney.'" -------------------- I thught about that JtS and it's understandable, but there is a huge difference between Obama as against Clinton or Reagan. The latter spoke their minds. Clinton wouldn't shut up on intricate policy issues of any magnitude. Obama holds his tongue unless the subject is palatable to the masses. His smashing of the Clinton machine was impressive, but on the other hand, he was placed together with David Axelrod, genius campaign organizer. He got along with a lot of people to get there. For all of his intellect and poise, leadership hasn't been on his list of strong points, yet. He could even end up a rubber stamp President to a Democratic Congress. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Peace Date: 31 Aug 08 - 03:00 PM That's an acute diagnosis, heric. Good one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 31 Aug 08 - 03:16 PM "He could even end up a rubber stamp President to a Democratic Congress." And if this is all that happens, it would not be such a bad thing. The Repubs have blocked needed legislation on health care and more, and now maybe we can move forward with what needs to be completed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,heric Date: 31 Aug 08 - 03:22 PM agree |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: robomatic Date: 31 Aug 08 - 04:16 PM I for one feel quite blessed by the choice. Friday I had to go to the hospital for a procedure which called for general anesthetic, and going home with weird little pains in embarassing areas. But EVERYONE was talking about the Palin selection and this took away a good half of the discomfort and bother by pure diversion. I'd sure like to know what the people around McCain saw when his head exploded. Cute cartoon, Ebbie! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: pdq Date: 31 Aug 08 - 06:16 PM Sarah Palin was chosen because John McCain had a 10 point gender gap to close. She is not going to help in the northeast where McCain will not do well, but she will not hurt. I wanted to see Liddy Dole, a woman fully capable of being a great president. She is 61 but hubby is in his eighties. She did the right thing to stay home. I also like Colin Powell and Mitt Romney, but addressing the gender gap problem won out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: bobad Date: 31 Aug 08 - 06:35 PM Well, I guess we'll have to wait 'till the elections to see if choosing on the basis of gender versus ability pays off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Aug 08 - 06:39 PM At any rate, I'm sure most people will agree that she'd be much much better than Dubya, if McCain gets elected and gets promoted to glory soon after, and she has to take over But then, who wouldn't? A bit of a wild gamble though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: pdq Date: 31 Aug 08 - 06:41 PM Ah, but the public will choose a president based on ability, not hype or sex or race. McCain: 53%, Obama: 42%, Barr 5%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: pdq Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:06 PM The two most important issues with the American people are immigration and foreign policy, where McCain is way ahead. Obama is considered better on domestic issues and environment, even though Obama can't tell jujifruit from goat shit about the environment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:17 PM I think determining what are "the most important issues with the American public", or with any voting public, would be a remarkably difficult thing to do. What people say in response to questions on such matters are no reliable guide. If anyone asked me a question like that I'd have half a dozen different answers floating around, and it'd be pretty arbitrary which one got picked out as number one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Peace Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:22 PM "Ah, but the public will choose a president based on ability, not hype or sex or race. McCain: 53%, Obama: 42%, Barr 5%" Well, hate to do this to you, pdq, but here it is: McCain, 45%; Barr, 3% and Obama, 50%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: pdq Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:28 PM Hmmm. Bet? CDs work for me. (thanks, BTW, if I forgot to say so already) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Peace Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:30 PM YOU are on, buddy. LOL I KNEW you'd say that. Hope you're keepin' well, and you are most welcome. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:37 PM According to the Harris polls, the US voters consistently rank the economy and energy policy as their top issues. http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=942 |
