BS: Palin VP McCain choice

Subject: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 10:45 AM

Karl ROve calls her a SOFT REPUBLICAN WOMAN.

how does he know, has he felt her?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 10:50 AM

I think the Republicans NEED to lose this election until the middle class heals enough to have some money to rip off again.

Until then its a Democratic Goverment.

PS Ted Stevens vouches for her.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 10:51 AM

Biggest surprise since David Bowie married Iman:)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 10:54 AM

I'm all for picking a dark horse, but from what I have seen, I don't think this would be a wise choice. Why do I have the feeling that if it is her, when it comes to the VP debate, that Biden would talk circles around her.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 10:56 AM

She is a pro lifing, oil drilling, Obama hating, ethics avoiding shill.
Since John McCain is so vital and in perfect health, at least she won't be President/ will she?

Ebbie might know something since Palin is from Alaska.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 10:57 AM

Maybe the Repubs will have her pose nude and sell the pics to raise money???

Awwww, jus' funnin'...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 10:58 AM

First term governor who hasn't been in office for 2 years yet? The think she'd be a good president if McCain can't do it?!

Stick a fork in the Republican campaign. (He would have done better with Paris Hilton, I think.)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 10:58 AM

Ignorance worked for W.
She could call Biden an elitist for knowing what he is talking about, and probably get a big cheer.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:00 AM

I wondered vainly whether it might be Michael Palin ...

... and now for something completely different ...

... with 10 years experience as minister for silly walks ...

"yes - we need to think for ourselves" - " I don't" ... etc ...

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:01 AM

This is a brillant move, politically, on McCains part. She is more of a centrist and has been known as a whistle blower.

This is changing the landscape of our country. Republicans are now having to deal with change in their own party. The traditions that the hardliners have clung to are now being tossed aside.

This is going to be a helluva race!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:03 AM

here she is

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:15 AM

Are fans of hers called Palin dromes?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:16 AM

She CAMPAIGNED FOR PAT BUCCHANNON

centirst?

Bucchannon is not a centrist my friend..

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:17 AM

Does she ever take her glasses off? At least it will get McCain the Hillary vote!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:18 AM

As for the prospect of her being vice president, Palin told Kudlow that she could not answer the question of whether she wanted the job "until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day. I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here…."



HMMMM Does she know that she will be VP of the entire country if elected? Not especially of Alaskans?

Mother of five including a Down's Syndrome infant born in April. Pro-life. She will appeal to women and possibly to the women who felt cheated when Clinton lost the nomination. An interesting choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:20 AM

She was on the Oil and Gas Commission and
she blew the whistle on a sexual harrasment situation.
When nothing was done she quit.

She (wrote?) an AK ethics bill I know nothing about.

She is under investigation but as you know you could even indict a ham sandwich.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:22 AM

Her veto prevented the state of Alaska from blocking state benefits for same-sex couples; that is, it granted state benefits to same-sex couples working for the state.

This will not help McCain with the "Religious Right", though she is "strongly pro-life".

And her being "pro-life" will not help him peel off women who want to maintain Roe v Wade---though he probably assumes choosing a woman will help him with women. And obviously it won't help him with good ol' boys who just don't want to vote for a woman.

It will certainly be fascinating to see how this plays out--she has been very strongly against corruption, a weak point for Republicans for quite a while. And it appears the fight between her and her brother-in-law, a former Alaska State policeman did not in fact involve pressure by her to remove him--though that's still somewhat murky. I'm sure we'll hear more about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:24 AM

She will make a good attack dog that has little to lose...

Her favorite web site http://www.daily.pk/world/84-worldnews/6726-barack-obama-is-not-a-us-citizen.html

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:24 AM

DAYTON, Ohio — John McCain will introduce Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his vice presidential running mate at an event here at noon Friday, senior campaign sources confirmed to FOX News.

Palin emerged earlier in the day as the hot name in the vice presidential sweepstakes after reports circulated that two short-listers — Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty — were out of the running.

Adding fuel to the Palin candidacy was a report that a charter aircraft from Anchorage owned by a McCain supporter had arrived at a small airport outside Dayton, Ohio, where McCain has scheduled a noon ET rally to announce his choice.

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It has beens aid her views on global warming match John McCain's. She's sitting in the wet-spot of glacier melt, Alaska, and quibbling about the trends?

This will raise some interesting blather. Is America ready for a woman? Is she "ready to be" Vice President. I guiess if you can lob stupid rhetorical questions like that at Obama, turnabout becomes fair play.

But it was a canny move; she has youth, gender and looks to compensate for his age, gender, and ugliness.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:26 AM

"She CAMPAIGNED FOR PAT BUCCHANNON

centirst?

Bucchannon is not a centrist my friend.. "

Of course not, but not everything is black and white. She is a convservative, make no mistake about that, but she has supported some issues that Pat would not. She is not going to win over Hillary supporters with her stand on abortion rights, and I do not think that liberals are going to vote for her either, but she is challenging the hardcore Republican image and ideals.

I think this also put Obama in a better position. The experience issue is a wash now.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:26 AM

What an insult--does he think by putting a vagina in the race that women will automatically switch parties, switch from supporting Hillary just because they want a woman at the top? Hillary had it all--experience, brains, talent, and had been so thoroughly vetted that she was case hardened.

This bimbo may be from a large state territorially but they're small potatoes on the world scene and a very tiny population over-all. Can you see her stepping into the presidency if McCain kicks the bucket? I think the only thing I know about this woman is that she had a baby while in office (or was that Massachusetts? They did say her child has Down Syndrome and she knew ahead of time, so is taking moral high ground against abortion on this basis). Like no one else has ever had a baby and had to go back to work, right?

A caller on Diane Rehm pegged it this morning--they're being incredibly naive with this pick, but now they have to live with it. Let the Republican dog-and-pony-show begin.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:27 AM

She will also deflect the super wealthy elitist charges.
She has a frugal reputation.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:28 AM

"But it was a canny move; she has youth, gender and looks to compensate for his age, gender, and ugliness."


          Yeah, but he's going to look like Father Time when they appear on the stage together!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:28 AM

I do not think that she is any way a centrist.

It is a very very risky move on McCain's part. It puts all of McCain's attacks on Obama's experience in a very hypocritical light. In fact, every time a reporter asks the responsible question about her experience, McCain will HAVE TO either remove his best argument against Obama OR cut down his own VP Pick. Obama is less experienced than McCain, but she is further behind Obama.

This pick will get a lot of press. But, it will take ink away from the Republican convention, possibly a good idea considering how many Republican lawmakers won't be there and considering that Bush/Cheney will be there.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:30 AM

Well put Stilly. ;/}

After all McCain already has hefty breasts.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:32 AM

If Palin really becomes the VP candidate, it should put an end to all claims that McCain is conservative. He usually ate lunch with his fellow Irish liberals Ted Kennedy and Pat Lahey, and he coauthored legislation with Feingold, the most liberal Senator at that time. McCain is a hawk on foreign policy and that comes from his family background in the military.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:35 AM

One thing it did do, it stopped all discussion about Obamas speech from last night on all the major news outlets.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:35 AM

As a 2 year govenor, she has more executive experience than McCain

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:36 AM

Well, since it seems all but official now, I think Biden will be able to pick her apart quite effectively in a one on one. Though I wouldnt have put it the way SRS just did :.) it can be argued that Obama picked someone to shore up perceived foreign policy weaknessses and what have you, which will help him get votes, this is a move based purely on getting votes from where I stand, and not much else.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:37 AM

Rove has been quoted as saying that the 1.4 million volunteers who supported Bush in 2004 were what made the difference in that election. There are estimates that Obama can get up to 4 times that number. That's the crux of McCain's problem--and this pick has not solved it.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:37 AM

Yes she makes a good short term SMOKE screen.
She isn't bad in the MIRROR either.

Add some flag wrap and she's pipin hot ready to go.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:40 AM

The best attack against McCain is on his flipflopping.

He flip flopped on legislation he himself put up to the Senate. How can we believe a man who has voted against his own laws?


pdq
I'm curious as to what even total partisans like you think bout that. Which McCain do you think would govern if elected. The McCain of 25 years in Congress or the McCain of this campaign?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:42 AM

Jack makes a good point there. He can't criticize "experience" now, or if he does, he's going to have to be pretty damn crafty about how he does it.

Riginslinger, I think everyone knew last night that was going to happen anyway. IMO, it doesn't matter. If you watched Obama's speech last night, this announcement isn't going to make you forget it so quickly, whether you agreed with it or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:42 AM

BTW, Its been announced. She is the VP choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:45 AM

Here is a soundbite for you.

Are Hillary's feminist women really going to cross the aisle to vote for an anti abortion beauty queen.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:48 AM

"...total partisans like you..." ~ JtS

That obviates a reply, at least from me.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Dan
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:49 AM

I wouldn't dismiss her as a bimbo quite so quickly, for a couple of reasons. One is that that kind of attack is a fairly classically sexist way of dismissing women, and it's one that tends to backfire. The worst things the Democrats could do is ridicule or underestimate her - that would play into McCain's hands. Biden will have to be especially careful in the debate not to appear to talk down to her in any way. What I gather is that she's smart, well spoken, and apparently honest.

That said, I think it's a cynical choice - a bald-faced play to get the disaffected Hillary voters to vote against their own interests. Some probably will, but I doubt that many - especially when her record on choice is made clear. She is young enough to make McCain look very old by comparison, and as others have said, her resume makes Obama look like an elder statesman by comparison.

It will certainly keep things interesting.

Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:50 AM

I think McCain would have gotten more mileage from Condi Rice than Palin.

But it's hard to find an experienced executive for President since
good canidates may not want to be saddled with a likely loss.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:51 AM

"I do not think that she is any way a centrist."

Jack, I think you are right. My earlier statement was based on what I've heard about her previously, but as the news is flashing and I'm reading more, I do not think she is a social conservative.

Before today, I read about her ethics reforms and the fact that while she does not support gay marriage, she did veto a bill that would have blocked state benefits for same-sex couples. She is also not a friend to oil corporations.

Yet, you are right. She embraces values that will not appeal to liberals or Hillary supporters.   I think this move will help Obama more than hurt him. At the same time, it is going to force the Republican part to re-examine their own values.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:53 AM

That too is a good point Dan. Biden will have to avoid sounding superior, while simultaneously hitting her on how she would govern if the unthinkable happened. I suspect Biden isn't too worried though.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:56 AM

Two years as a state governor is more executive experience than any of the other three candidates (Obama, Biden and McCain) has. Being a Navy pilot, by itself, is not an exective position.

Oddly, Hillary's seven years on the Board of Directors of Wal*Mart probably does qualify.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:58 AM

What is Rove up to by calling her a soft Republican woman??
Is he marketing warm and fuzzy over foriegn policy experience?
Maybe the numbers told him that a strong anti abortion running mate was required.

On the dark side, if an October Abortion smear is made against Michelle Obama, Palin would be the one to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:01 PM

I am astounded. Palin is still fairly popular in Alaska but she made a lot of people unhappy when it came to her first budget. As they said, it was like she took a cleaver to each program without ever lookintg at what the program did. (psssst The word is that she is not too bright. But she is pretty.)

I can't imagine in what way she'll help McCain's election. However, if something happened to McCain and she became president, you suppose she'd be another surprise in the mold of Schwartzenegger? I dunno. Maybe the rrick is to have good support behind one; figureheads are pretty prevalent these days.

Strangely enough, and to add to the chaos, her lieutenant governor, Sean Parnell, is currently running against long time Congressman Don Young. What happens if Alaska loses its two top spots? lol

"We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here…." Governor Palin

Strikingly, this is just about the same thing she said when she became governor. She told the state that Wasilla and the 'valley' will always have her heart and will always look out for their best interests.

Her children still go to school there, she has her offices in Anchorage a few miles away from Wasilla and the family rarely is in residence at the governor's domicile in Juneau.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:07 PM

Some background from the web:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/almanac/2008/people/ak/akgv.php

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:08 PM

The democrats will use the clintons to bash her.

That is the only way they can be of use without appering hypocritical and it is the most effective way of bashing Palin without it being done by condescending men.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:12 PM

Well-said, SRS!

Thanks for your take, Ebbie. I look forward to hearing more from you.

The experience issue is a wash now. No kidding! Whoo-hoo!!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:16 PM

Many right wing talking heads are making a silly point that Palin lives right next to Russia and knows the stakes of the Russian oil monopoly game.

I measured on my globe and found that she lives exactly as far away from Moscow as I do in Maryland. And she has never met Putin just like me.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:19 PM

"The democrats will use the clintons to bash her."


                Well, they better not let her get too close to Bill!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:22 PM

pdq-ex-mayor and two year Governor of the largest state area wise, but one of the smallest population wise equals more governing ability than:

John McCain and Joe Biden, multi term US Senators, one from a state in the top 20 population wise, one from a small state geographically and population, but part of the big, big Northeast block?

Barack Obama, partial term US Senator, and ex State Senator of approx. 7 years from a state that is in the top 5 population wise?

Seriously, you're going to harp on that one because she has executive experience? At the same time you lamented the short straw the Dems gave Pelosi at the convention, this despite what you claim is her (now deleted) nefarious past?

Cmon man. You can do better.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: olddude
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 12:24 PM

Well come on people,
she does have a great body and being an avid hunter she can gut
a Moose should we ever need it

What more could you want?

(I am so going to hell for that one!)