BS: Joe the Plumber

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 01:26 PM

Read it again, Charley, it says a PLUMBING CONTRACTROR:


                     I do my own plumbing, and when I had both a General Engineering and a General Building License in California, I did it all the time for other people.

                      The guy a day or so earlier who was posting about working on boilers was right. A plumbing license wouldn't normally allow you to work on boilers, that's a whole different thing that requires a special license. Plumbing is simply not that way in any state I've worked in, and it isn't that way in Ohio.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 01:19 PM

Rig-

"Joe the Plumber doesn not need a license to work as a plumber for somebody else in the state of Ohio."

That conclusion does not appear to be supported by the sections of state law that you posted, which doesn't necessarily surprise me. In fact, please review Section C:

(C) "Licensed trade" means a trade performed by a heating, ventilating, and air conditioning contractor, a refrigeration contractor, an electrical contractor, a plumbing contractor, or a hydronics contractor.

"Plumbing" is identified as a "licensed trade" and therefore anyone who practices it for "compensation" would need to acquire a license.

Charley Noble, who knows better than to do his own plumbing

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 12:35 PM

Good smear, Rig. I did not say an event did not happen since it was not reported in the WSJ. I said this particular allegation--Buffett bankrolling "Joe"-- was unlikely, since it would be newsworthy enough, on a topic of interest to the WSJ, that, if it did happen, they very likely--my phrase was "is likely to be"-- would report it.

No surprise you defend McCain and Palin constantly--smearing is the only thing both you and they do well.

Too bad thinking is not involved in any of your postings.


But plenty of hypocrisy--since, as I said, you constantly defend Palin and McCain--though Palin is the only real fundamentalist on the tickets of the major parties, and McCain-appointed-judges would further erode the church-state barrier you whine about so piteously and often and claim to care about.

But congratulations on spelling every word right in the post I refer to on Buffett--you must have figured out how to use spell-check.

Now if you can only learn to think, perhaps there will be progress.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 11:09 AM

And Joe the Plumber doesn not need a license to work as a plumber for somebody else in the state of Ohio. Please find below the section of the code that applys:


CHAPTER 4740: CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY LICENSING BOARD
4740.01 Construction industry licensing board definitions.
As used in this chapter:

(A) "License" means a license the Ohio construction industry licensing board issues to an individual as a heating, ventilating, and air conditioning contractor, refrigeration contractor, electrical contractor, plumbing contractor, or hydronics contractor.

(B) "Contractor" means any individual or business entity that satisfies both of the following:

(1) For compensation, directs, supervises, or has responsibility for the means, method, and manner of construction, improvement, renovation, repair, or maintenance on a construction project with respect to one or more trades and who offers, identifies, advertises, or otherwise holds out or represents that the individual or business entity is permitted or qualified to perform, direct, supervise, or have responsibility for the means, method, and manner of construction, improvement, renovation, repair, or maintenance with respect to one or more trades on a construction project;

(2) Performs or employs tradespersons who perform construction, improvement, renovation, repair, or maintenance on a construction project with respect to the contractor's trades.

(C) "Licensed trade" means a trade performed by a heating, ventilating, and air conditioning contractor, a refrigeration contractor, an electrical contractor, a plumbing contractor, or a hydronics contractor.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 10:53 AM

"Also a matter of what the laws are in his state and county for licensing plumbers and the local plumber's union."



                     I suspect there are far more open shop plumbers working in America now that union plumbers.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 10:49 AM

CarolC observed:

lower taxes on the middle class. *** We will see in the fullness of time whether or not he will be able to do this. (First he has to get elected before he can try.)

Not only does HE have to get elected, but he has to have a Congress solidly in Democratic hands, rather than by the skin of their teeth.   

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 07:31 PM

I didn't say Obama wouldn't lower taxes. I said he's not giving away money to people in the lower income brackets. I notice when those in the higher income brackets get a tax break, they call that "giving us our money back", and when people in the lower income brackets get a tax break, the people in the upper income brackets call that welfare.

Obama says he will be able to lower taxes on the middle class. I don't disbelieve him at this point in time. We will see in the fullness of time whether or not he will be able to do this. (First he has to get elected before he can try.)

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 07:25 PM

Sarah Palin's not a conservative, either. She's too fond of earmarks and pork for her state. And there was nothing conservative about putting her town in debt (and raising taxes to pay for it) just so she could build a sports complex with her name on it on land that wasn't even owned by the city.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 02:36 PM

Ohio authorities are trying to find out who accessed state driver's license information on the Toledo area man dubbed Joe the Plumber.

..information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.

Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.

It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.

The attorney general's office is investigating if the access of Wuzelbacher's BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi.

"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.

Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.

Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.

On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.

Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.

The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Alice
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 02:17 PM

"If he isn't actually a qualified plumber either, that is a matter purely between himself and his employers, or the people whose plumbing he may worked on."

Also a matter of what the laws are in his state and county for licensing plumbers and the local plumber's union.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 01:27 PM

Can anyone say explain they think "Joe the Plumber" had any obligation to stick to the facts when asking Obama that question, and why failing to do so, either by accident or intentionally should leave him open to criticism?

As I've pointed out, he's not a politician, or a journalist, or a witness or a jury member in a court of law. There are a number of other situations in which there is indeed a duty to speak the truth about this kind of thing, but I can't see why asking a question to a politician should be one of those.

If he isn't actually a qualified plumber either, that is a matter purely between himself and his employers, or the people whose plumbing he may worked on.
.....................
"In your case, you can remove the word 'semi' and replace it with 'completely illiterate'

That would make it "completely illiterate-literate", Sanity. Moreover in that context "semi is not "a word", it's "a prefix" - "a verbal element placed at the beginning of a word to qualify meaning".

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 01:19 PM

"He would if he'd done his apprenticeship!"


             Unless the apprenticeship, was sponsored by left wing loonies, and was teaching apprentices that shit runs uphill!

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 01:06 PM

   Civil contractors like myself always ran the sewer in the street at a 1% grade, the the plumbers would take over with architechual drawings and plumb things at 1/8 of an inch to the foot. But it all figures out pretty much to the same grade.

                Of course, Joe the plumber would know all of this.

He would if he'd done his apprenticeship!

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 01:00 PM

From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 07:15 AM

I don't think that "semi-literate" is an insult Sanity ought to throw around too readily...

You're right!..In your case, you can remove the word 'semi' and replace it with 'completely illiterate'

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 12:53 PM

Ron - The know-nothings of today are the voters who are herded around by MoveOn.org and encouraged to vote for Obama.

                   Sometimes the owner of a newspaper has some influence about what is printed on its pages.

                   But your announcing that an event didn't happen because it wasn't announced in the Wall Street Journal only testifies to the lack of depth of your well of information.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 11:23 AM

Rig--

And it's also interesting to hear yet another of your more stupid conspiracy theories--that Murdoch controls what's in the WSJ reporting.

Not likely--the reporting is constantly contradicting his conservative stance on a host of issues.

And any significant development in the business world, or with any high-profile businessman--is likely to be in the WSJ. Buffett qualifies.

I don't really care if you believe it or not. You've never shown any interest in facts.

Your know-nothing stance is just about perfect--you would have fit right into the 1850's.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 10:37 AM

"misinformed_----too lazy to actually do research to find out any facts before shooting off his mouth. No wonder you identify with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 10:36 AM

no mention of Buffett bankrolling "Joe?

As usual, you don't read very carefully--and you shoot from the hip without checking anything. Your pal Doug R brought it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 10:31 AM

"There is no mention in the WSJ of Buffett bankrolling "Joe" in taking over the business."


                      That is just about as laughable a comment as I've ever heard. I haven't heard anybody suggest that Warren Buffett was interested in backing Joe to buy a business. And if it doesn't show up in the Wall Street Journal, it is probably more likely to happen than not. Maybe it is happening, but Rupert Murdoch doesn't want anyone to know it.

                     And I did not imply that Joe is either lazy or stupid. I think he is misinformed about the difference between gross and net income.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 09:09 AM

Certainly, Bobert, the government taking over at least part of the management of certain financial institutions is far more socialism than anything caused by Obama's tax plans.

But as you note, McCain is fine with the "bailout".

Can anybody spell H Y P O C R I S Y ?

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 09:04 AM

And the reason that the "government is going to need every dime", as rigs has pointed out, is that the current administration used the same fear tactics to push thru the bailout as it used to get folks to go along with the Iraq War... Whoa!!!... Talk about taking from the taxpayers and giving it to someone else???

I don't believe that McCain has any room to talk about Obama being this socialistic bandit... They both supported this heist so, at best, McCain is a hypocrit and if Obama were out there calling McCain a socialist, in a demenaing manner, than Obama would also be a hypocrit...

What an amazing pack of lies that McCain has come up with here in the late innings of this campaign!?!?!...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 08:49 AM

Then, Rig, you are saying that "Joe" was both lazy and stupid--since he, a supposed would-be businessman, did not realize that $250,000 gross earnings/ yr. does not mean anything close to that amount net. Even without Obama's tax plans "Joe" should have a general idea how much he would owe in taxes as owner of the business. And he was lazy enough not to do any reading on Obama's tax plan before he confronted him in his fundamentally false presentation.

Unless of course he knew he didn't have a prayer of coming up with the money to take over the business for a good long time. And therefore had no incentive to delve into hypothetical tax problems--but did, for some reason, want to confront Obama and make a scene with his totally dishonest portrayal of his situation.

And you have provided no evidence to counter the assertion that "Joe" was either stupidly misinformed or had another reason to want to attack Obama.

A possible clue to "Joe" 's attitude toward taxes is that he still owes Ohio about $1200. And the case is in court. Sounds like somebody who really doesn't like any taxes--even if taxes are necessary to live in the US if you have any kind of decent income.

And, by the way: re: Buffett

1)    There is no mention in the WSJ of Buffett bankrolling "Joe" in taking over the business. Sounds like another worthless Hannity/Rush rumor.

Anybody who believes it is invited to provide a reputable source.   Rush and Hannity, sorry to say, do not qualify.

2)    Buffett himself is actually on Obama's side as far as "spreading the wealth".   He is in fact not against paying higher taxes himself--and does not consider it socialism.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 08:25 AM

"So then, Mr. Riginslinger--ignoring the usual stupid aside aimed at "affirmative action"-- you have to admit that "Joe's" presentation was false--start to finish--"


                No, Ron. Joe's presentation was not false, because he, I think, thought that grossing $250,000 as a plumbing contractor would put him in the higher tax bracket.

                But I think Carol is right, Obama, if he becomes president, isn't going to be able to give anyone much of a tax break. The government is going to need every dime it can get its hands on to bail out the mortgage melt-down.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 07:15 AM

I don't think that "semi-literate" is an insult Sanity ought to throw around too readily...

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 01:58 AM

Come to think of it, Sarah Palin is more conservative than John McCain. I think that's why liberal women hate her so vehemently. She has succeeded to what she has accomplished, as a woman, but holding onto 'traditionally' conservative ideals...and...well, no, I better not.

Actually, if 'backbone' were a criteria for being president, I think she is more qualified than any of the other three, on the two tickets. But, one needs more than backbone!

Watch everyone squawk now!!

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 01:51 AM

McCain, by the way, is not a conservative either! Actually he is somewhat a bit of modern fiction!

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 01:47 AM

But it's not the people being called "liberals" who are saying Obama is going to give those people something. It's the people who are supporting McCain (most of whom are in no way conservative) who are promoting that fiction.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 01:37 AM

From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:40 PM

Actually, it is a fiction that Obama's plan will give anything to people making less money.

CarolC, See, the 'liberals' think that all things come from the government(even your inalienable rights). So, when they take less, they call it, giving you more...(Scratches head) I know it's loony tunes, but it is actually the way they think! They also think that defending one's self is not a natural instinct, but a privilege, only to be performed by the federal government. (That's equally loony tunes). Now some clown, will post after me, with some semi-literate(Read: half witted rant) saying I'm all wrong. But, not all things come from the supreme federal government, including one's own self responsibility.

Btw. hi!

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 11:14 PM

So then, Mr. Riginslinger--ignoring the usual stupid aside aimed at "affirmative action"-- you have to admit that "Joe's" presentation was false--start to finish--as I said.

Since he would be helped, not hurt, by Obama's tax plans.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 11:07 PM

No Ron - Even I would admit that there is probably no way in the world that Joe would "net" over $250,000 a year. It would mean that he would have to gross almost 10 times that much, and if he doesn't have the capital to bond jobs of that magnitude he would have to be the beneficiary of "affirmitave action" in order to do it. And sadly, Joe is a white male.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:55 PM

It's certainly possible that Warren Buffet may provide "Joe" with the capital he needs to buy the 2-man plumbing business.

However:

1)   That has yet to be confirmed by any source with even the slightest reliability.   I'll check the WSJ tomorrow. If it's not there, I strongly doubt the story.

2)    More significantly--even if it's true it strengthens rather than weakens the argument that "Joe" was just selling anybody who listened a bill of goods:   he was not by a long shot ready to buy the business any time soon---his entire presentation was false.

and

3)   Even if he does buy the business, he still will be helped, rather than hurt by Obama's tax proposals. Since the business, yet again, would have to pull in about $5 million a year to have clear profit of $250,000.

I have yet to see one iota of evidence contradicting this.

If anybody has it, they are invited to post it.



So" Joe's" whining--and McCain's whole use of him to sell the issue--is dishonest start to finish.

And it's too bad there seem to be an amazing number of people gullible enough to swallow it---unless they are really just looking for a "socially acceptable" excuse to vote against Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:55 PM

jimmyt - Yeah, I always thought plumbing was kind of fun. It really is now that they use glue-together plastic pipe, and you don't have to cut and thread galvanized steel. It was a real pain-in-the-ass to measure, cut, and thread the old way, and then find out you were a 1/4 of an inch short, and had to put in a union where you might have gotten by with a coupler.

               It was always a challenge to get the length just right, so you could get just the right number of revolutions on the pipe to prevent leakage, and still keep every thing lined up.

               Civil contractors like myself always ran the sewer in the street at a 1% grade, the the plumbers would take over with architechual drawings and plumb things at 1/8 of an inch to the foot. But it all figures out pretty much to the same grade.

                Of course, Joe the plumber would know all of this.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: jimmyt
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:18 PM

Just finished replacing all the plumbing in a sink. Kinda fun in a weird sort of way.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:40 PM

Actually, it is a fiction that Obama's plan will give anything to people making less money. The truth is that Obama's plan will simply take less money away from those people in the first place, in exactly the same way that Bush's tax cuts took less away from the people making the most money for the last eight years (while the people making less money continued to pay the same amount or more).

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:30 PM

Read it quick. It changes every twenty minutes!

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:11 PM

...the increased amount would be given to those who do not pay income tax

That is just not true, Doug. WE pay income tax, as do all others who make under $250,000, and would get some kind of a tax break. My gosh, have you READ Obama's plan? Try it, you might like: Clickety.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:08 PM

If I were a plumber,
and you were a lady
would you marry me anyway,
would you have...?

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:59 PM

From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 03:33 PM


"As for music, if you try to sell your music, and it is no good, people simply won't buy it. A lot of people bought Elvis, Lennon, etc."

If they're not buying YOURS, try some of that there, training stuff, you've heard about!...and...practice, practice practice!


From: Bobert
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:20 PM

As fir yer toity, GfS, chances are that it ain't the turd that has it not flushing... It's usually somethin' else... This is where Harry Homeowner or Joe the UnPlumber can get himself into trouble...

Ok, Bobert, what have you been doing in my bathroom??? What's in there...fess up!

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:57 PM

From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 03:33 PM


"As for music, if you try to sell your music, and it is no good, people simply won't buy it. A lot of people bought Elvis, Lennon, etc."

If they're not buying YOURS, try some of that there, training stuff, you've heard about!...and...practice, practice practice!


From: Bobert
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:20 PM

As fir yer toity, GfS, chances are that it ain't the turd that has it not flushing... It's usually somethin' else... This is where Harry Homeowner or Joe the UnPlumber can get himself into trouble...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: DougR
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:34 PM

You think that's a good thing, Bobbie?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:31 PM

"If you've got a plumbing business, you're gonna be better off if you've got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody's so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

That seems pretty self evidently true. What Obama was talking about there was a tax cut. Reducing taxes so that people have more money to spend is a pretty good idea. There are limits on how far it can be done, because you have to have money to do things that need doing, but in principle it's a good idea to have that money spread out for people to use.

The sleight of hand is the suggestion that under Obama's proposals somehow ordinary hard working people with relatively modest earnings are going to be ripped off to pay for people who don't deserve it. And that just isn't true, from all I've read and seen.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:25 PM

Go on, Dougie, an' make the rude remark... TIA will give it back to ya' in spades...

...and, ahhhh, 300...

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: DougR
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:15 PM

McGrath: The part I think Obama would like to take back is "speading the wealth" Under Obama's tax plan he would increase the tax on the "haves" and the increased amount would be given to those who do not pay income tax. It's an additional welfare program. The McCain campaign capitalized on that remark and since Obama visited Joe the Plumber, the polls have tightened up. Had he not made that remark, and had Biden not stuck both feet in his mouth (which he does regularly) the Obama campaign would likely still have a healthy lead in the polls.

TIA: Were I not a nice fellow, I might be inclined to make a rude remark about you too. But I won't do that. Because I am nice, I play nice.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:20 PM

Well, ownin' a plumbing business and doing plumbing for money isn't just being able to fix yer toilet but understanding code because when the inspectors come thru yer job you had better have everything up to code 'er yer going to have to pay twice to get one job done correctly...

As fir yer toity, GfS, chances are that it ain't the turd that has it not flushing... It's usually somethin' else... This is where Harry Homeowner or Joe the UnPlumber can get himself into trouble...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: open mike
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 03:42 PM

i have heard that there are several web sites with "plumber" and "Joe"
in them and that these people are benefitting from all the attention.
http://www.joetheplumberseattle.com/
http://www.joetheplumber.com/

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 03:33 PM

You are welcome to fix your own toilet any time. But in a lot of places, you can't sell your plumbing services for money without a plumbers license. Same for selling your self as a lawyer, or engineer, or doctor, or a lot of things.

As for music, if you try to sell your music, and it is no good, people simply won't buy it. A lot of people bought Elvis, Lennon, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 03:17 PM

CarolC is my first name and the first letter of my middle name (used to be my first name and the first letter of my last name), nothing fictional about it. But even if my screen name was fictional, it would have nothing to do with the presidential race.

Nice try, though... or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: PoppaGator
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 03:02 PM

"Caribou Barbie is a cooked up fictitious name."

Is there concern that someone might cast a fraudulent ballot in that name?

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 02:56 PM

Typo in the other one....Joe!..oh Joe!!...need to fix!!1...(sorry)

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 01:40 PM

Come to think of it, Bobert..you might be right!!...I'll call a folk singer, and he can play 'Kumbaya' and will, and vibe, the turd to go down, until the toilet ends the with a coda, of 'Glock.......glock..glock'!

Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 02:46 PM

Most on here are, Mr. Sawzaw.

(Not an attack, I happen to give you more credit than most of the 'Kumbaya-ers')